Selling GM rides in Europe

>>15898188
The only thing I've owned which was GM-branded was a widowmaker jack that failed to lift the car.
GM as a brand has no power here. They can't even sell american cars here, and have to rebadge Daewoos.

>>15898216
>have to rebadge deawoos
that was Chevrolet and when these faggots started to sell well, they left. I still don't get it.
They sell Opel/Vauxhalls since the second world war and it works, so why not the others? Also the market is slowly opening to pick-up trucks, there's a move to do.

no, it'll take a long time before europe considers any chevy or caddy, they have zero prestige over there

Nope. Too big, too cheaply made, too much of a dodgy spare parts supply. We already get all the compact and midsize Buicks as Opels anyway, or the other way around. Also they've comprehensively ruined their image here by buying Daewoo and putting Chevy badges on those terrible citycars.

>>15898221
opel cars are still made fun everyone by their shit quality . but overall, made in usa, stands for shitty quality , thats why no one buys them in here , and you have rebadge them as daewoods

There already sell all those in Europe (except the silverado) and no one buys them because a. they're too expensive and b. they're shit.

>>15898188
No, I like my twingo.

>>15898188
Why bother? They're content in their ignorant little 1.2L diesel shitbox world, let them be ignorant

>>15898483
>thinks his concept of hurp barges would work everywhere in the world because he's literally never left his country and possibly not even his state
>calls others ignorant

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>>15898445
Euro and American cars are pretty evenly spaced in the reliability spectrum. The Japanese brands are the ones who are consistently on top.

you can buy corvettes and camaros here.
see one on my commute every day and yesterday saw four Z6 at the Ring.
the rest are just Opels anyways.

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>>15898188
no

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>>15898495
>does nothing but slam another's country
>gets flustered when the courtesy is returned

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>>15898611
>jap reliability

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>>15898617
Some Buicks are just rebadged Opels. I think OP was more referring to trucks, SUVs and larger non-Opel based sedans.

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>>15898611
>Falling for the Asian meme

>>15898665
Yet Jap cars are still more reliable than Euro cars. What does that say about Euro cars?

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>>15898611
>Asians simply can't compete

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>>15898673
>SPOON FEED ME MOMMY
>Asian memes

>>15898188
theres no prestige in the brands, they are cheap though, but thats because they are in every way

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>>15898673
>p-plz no bully!!!!11

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>>15898678
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>>15898665

>this buttflustered round eye can't stand Jap superiority

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>>15898700
>projecting

>>15898221
>and it works
The Vauxhall Zafira keeps catching fucking fire.

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>>15898700
quite a lot of the jap cars sold in europe are made in the uk

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>>15898719
DELET THIS

>>15898669
>not owning a car

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>>15898742
>projecting
Stay anal mad with your Jap shit

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>>15898719
Post your Pepe when Brit built Jap cars are better than "superior" German meme machines.

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>>15898665
>>15898669
>>15898674
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>>15898746
mods get these hotheads outta here

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>>15898756
See
>>15898665
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>>15898681
Stay BTFO

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>>15898760
>literally triggered
JUST

>>15898188
They're too expensive here. Gas prices may play a part, but mostly because taxes and fees more than double the price compared to the US. If a Ford Mustang were the same price here as in the US, it would be extremely popular, I'm sure. But they start at 93k USD, and then you might as well get a Porsche Cayman.

>>15898792
They are cheaper in the uk, they feel a bit tacky though, the build quality and materials feel cheap to me.

>>15898817
I think it's weird when Euros complain that cars like Mustang and Camaros don't have interiors as nice as C63s and S6s. They're $27,000 cars here while those other two cost $70,000-$100,000. That's like complaining that your VW Polo doesn't have an interior as nice as a Mercedes E-Class.

>>15898875
It's not the same as complaining about a VW Polo at all because you know that you're getting an econobox when you're buying a Polo. A Mustang or Camaro comes off super pretentious with its angry and domineering look, and in the end it's just a cheap shitheap with a big engine in it. Euro cars are styled for what they are, not what they wish they'd be.

>>15898875
Never been inside a polo, but if its anything like a golf it'll be solid and well laid out, the mustang just felt shoddy.

Chevrolet is korea tier in europe

>>15898817
>ford rustang
>cheap materials and build quality
Kek that's a Ford for you

>>15898875
Camaro is $45k for the 2L in yurop (v8 is $55k)

They sell Cadillacs and other GM shit here and no it doesn't work. The only thing that sells is Opel/Vauxhall.

>>15898756
pic related

>>15898188
i would, i did and a lot of people did the same, sales are slowly rising so GM keep doing what you doing getting better and better everyday, can't wait the day i will be able to afford a brand new caddy

>>15898926
Depends on the country actually, please don't mix up all of them. There's some faggot from Norway or wherever constantly complaining that they're 100k, and prices here in Germany are similar to yours, if not a little lower.

>>15898937
But it's the same thing ... ... ... ...

>muh badge

>>15898949
Opel is designed and built in europe though.

>>15898897
Camaros and Mustangs aren't pretentious, they're just supposed to be cheap cars with big engines that give them a lot of performance at a super low price. Thinking they're pretentious is solely a European thing. Half the people that drive them here are people in their 20s who just want to go fast. Would you rather them be styled to look bland just for the sake of being bland? That's retarded.

>>15898937
I actually saw a few Cadillacs when I was in Germany and a fair share of Mustangs. No where near as many as there were BMWs or Audis but that's to be expected.

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>>15898978
And that's the problem with American design, you're so desperate to avoid looking bland that all your cars end up looking completely gaudy and over the top.

Cars like these are proof that performance cars don't have to look extreme to the max.

>>15898978
Also whenever I see a modern muscle car in Germany it's driven by an old guy with grey hair in what I presume to be a pension crisis. "I'm old, I've worked hard, I deserve something silly now!"

>>15899001
That looks dull as fuck.

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>>15899001
I think this looks bland.

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>>15899001
You cannot compare a 2 door sports car in looks to a sedan. These car are competing in two very different segment.

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>>15899071
I think you're teenagers but you will grow up eventually.

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>>15899082
DUDE, HOOD BULGE WITH USELESS PLASTIC RIBS ACROSS

>>15899091
Do you honestly think the SS looks "gaudy and over the top"?
It's practically a sleeper.

>>15899104
Nah, the SS is alright, but on the other hand it's not been designed by Americans.

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>>15898945
Postin' one of the worst offenders (50 grand for the egoboost, 100+ for the veeate)

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>>15899135
And BMW's M lineup for comparison

You could literally get a Cayman and a pretty nice daily for the same money as the Mustang GT here

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>>15898188
i would love to have one of those big Murrikan SUVs

>tfw was driving to a three-way intersection in a generic europoor econobox and had to make way for a turning lincoln like the yuropeasant I am

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>>15899096
Don't like hood bulges try this.

>>15899179
I drove a 98 Suburban for the first time this arvo (Aus)

It's like being in control of a barn or a tractor or something. Like, it's not so much that feeling of being enveloped like when you're in a car, but as though there's a chair bolted on top of a shed controlled via a rudder.

Maybe the later ones got nicer though haha

>>15899141
welcome to import tax

>>15899114
to me it looks like someone tried to be "gaudy and over the top" with 2005 design elements.

its boring and looks a few years old already

>>15899203
But it's not an import tax when it's sold by Ford themselves, or is it?

Swiss here.
I would buy a CTS-V if they were sold here.

>>15899215
It's just taxes on top of taxes. 21% sales tax on top of (original price + CO2 tax) and a few other things.

>>15899071
That car is Australian though.

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>>15898188
>Oversized
>Badly engineered
>Unefficiency
>Plastics everywhere
>15 cupholders
>Ugly
>Probably can't turn
I would rather own a german boring machine.

>>15899141
>m6 for 170k+ eurocoins
Why? In the US even the cabrio is only 120k, and that still sounds like too much in my opinion

>>15899258
Taxes based on CO2 emissions, then add 21% sales tax on top of that total.

>>15899269
going by American prices, a Porsche Cayman GT4 should be cheaper than that, and the m6 certainly doesnt compete

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>>15899281
New cars are just stupidly fucking expensive here, except for "environmentally-friendly" bullshit like pic related.

Seriously, these things can fuck right off.

>>15899291
In exchange for not having those, we get plastic cars I guess.

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>>15899141
Kek

>>15899301
This is why a lot of people with expensive cars register them across the border. They cost like half of what they cost here in Germany or Belgium.

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Remember that one time Cadillac thought it'd be a good idea to make a Euro-only Cadillac that was itself a badge-engineered version of a heavily modified Opel Vectra?

>>15899313
That seems okay actually, how did it drive?

>>15899313
Maybe I've just mistaken it for other Cadillacs so far, but I think I'm yet to even see it on the road.

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>>15898188
Finland here,

Big diesel trucks and SUVs(the ones that weight over 3.5(metric)tons) are a thing here. Why? They can be registered as trucks(like Scanias or Kenworths) and trucks are tax-free, also we are one of the europe´s less populated countries, so there is room to drive them. Why diesels? Fuel economy of course. Fuel is expesive as fuck, but good mpgs from a diesel engine make up for, but they are still only for enthusiasts, excluding Chevy Van, which is more or less the highest numbering US-car/truck here.

pic. "tax eviasion"-Camaro

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>>15899313
Remember that one time Cadillac thought it would be a good idea to make a european-style ''''sports'''' sedan for the US market that was itself just a rebadged Opel Omega

>>15899365
It was probably GM higherups who thought that, not Cadillac themselves.

>>15899365
It baffles me that they thought an everyman's eurobarge would do well under an American luxury badge.

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>>15899365
remember that one time Cadillac thought it was a good idea to totally destroy any credibility or relevance they had as a luxury brand

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>>15899135

Why is the GT double the price? Emission taxes?

I'm curious to see how well the Mustang will here in Britbongistan. I don't think there's any new car that can compete with in terms of looks and performance, and if it does well maybe we'll be getting Camaros and Challengers. Offering those cars at a cheap price is how GM can make inroads here.

>>15899405
>Why is the GT double the price? Emission taxes?
Nailed it. Fun cars = more CO2 = EVIL.

>>15898991
German here, I see maybe 10 Cadillacs or Mustangs a year.

>>15899393
Well, to be fair that occurred under one of the 10 worst corporate CEO's in history. Not GM history, world history.

>>15899201
The suburban I drove made me feel like I was the king daddy. I was able to intimidate people to make way. A person cut me off while I was doing 70mph and a moment later I heard that shitheap start to scream as he tried to accelerate out of my path (when people slower than me cut me off, I only let off the gas and creep on them until they speed up or move. I don't use brakes for assholes unless an accident is inevitable). Suburban's are the behemoths of the road. Their V8 only option makes them rumble with more power than anything less of a sports car. They are glorious god machines.

>>15898700
>dull colored fangs to match her dull colored teeth

kek

that being said, fucken saved

>>15899499
Whenever I get tailgated by fancy brand fags or big intimidating barge fags during overtakes on the Autobahn I slowly let off the gas, especially when I pull back into the other lane and the other guy can't quite yet get past.

>>15898945
>prices here in Germany are similar to yours, if not a little lower
>a little lower
How much does an ecoboost Mustang cost in Germany, pray tell.

I always see Germans who claim that things are cheaper in Germany. Usually in order to justify their lower wages compared to Americans. But for cars and electronics and most consumer products it's really not the case.

>>15899179
Newer GM SUVs are better, but I prefer Lincoln and Lexus SUVs for comfort. Mercedes is good too, though bland.

>>15899783
At no point did I draw a comparison to the US price, only the $45k price that the other person dropped. For your information it's $35,800 before sales tax and $42,600 afterwards which is less than $45k and leaves me with a correct previous statement.

>>15898188
retards don't know that they're just pawns in UE-NA customs war when they're protesting against TTIP..

>>15898792
but mustang outsold porsches and audi tt

>>15900184
I'm not gonna spread my butthole to good goyim American market regulations just to avoid a little customs trouble, you shit gobbling faggot.

>>15898897
i guess that you don't understand that americans drive them everyday like we do polos and other shit, and whats wrong with performance, design, rwd, manual, v8 thats like saying mitshubishi evo is trying to be a sports car becouse it's a sedan and its cheap on the inside and outside they only put some hard work in the 4wd system, gearbox and engine

>>15900587
As if anyone in the US actually daily drives a manual.

>>15899001
are you like 70 years old audi and wv are foor boring people who are waiting to die, americans and italians are the best when it comes to design and mercedes

>>15899222
importers from germany and other countries will be glad to help you I bought a dodge ram 2014 with 5.7 completely new in the netherlands and it's on it's way to my country-slovenia

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>>15899313
as a yuro caddy fan i was always saying that cadillac only made 3 really bad cars in their 100 years of history( BLS, Caterra and Cimmaron), but my opinion changed when i saw and drove the BLS, it's was competing with a bmw 3series so the interior is plasticy like in the bmw, leather is nice, 2.0 engine is great(becouse yuro taxes and fuel prices), corners and drives like a dream, and in black with some nice wheels the car in person looked like it rolled out of the factory in 2015(caddy will always be the king when it comes to design at least to me), rides and corners better than my bmw, its holding value better than the german cars and in my country car looked better than 99% of cars on the road at the time it's rare and unique but still civilised, but of course when you compare it to other cadillacs it's a bit inferior but I think i will get one soon becouse it's a great car, don't care what anybody else has to say until they drove one

>>15899499
agreed my friend has one, i will get a 2014dodge ram in a month or so in my yuro shithole

>>15900595
a lot of them when it comes to car enthusiast and this manual meme is just stupid, why would you wan't to drive a manual after hard day at work or for boring everyday use, also automatic sales figures are rising in europe so i don't know what your stupid point is

>>15899434
I'm a Brit and the first time I've ever seen a newCadillac in the UK was when I was driving home and saw an Escalade come out of my road
Turns out it was my neighbour because he's a car dealer and brings the more unusual ones home with him for a few days

Even then he said it was bought new in the UK and first registered in the UK. It was RHD an everything. Said it went through petrol like a junkie does heroin

>>15900654
Not a big surprise, it's a dressed up Saab.

>>15900677
Oh no, a quarter of new car sales are autotragic here, I'm sure we've been completely cucked by your superior sludgecrap technology now, you sure showed us!

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>>15899141
>>15899301
Fuck my country.

>>15900719
Time to get a caddy

>>15900719
I believe the word is "PERKELE", no?

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>>15900724
I have actually been shopping for '92 onwards Cadillac Sevilles a while ago, but sadly they're horrid unreliable heaps of shit.

>>15898611
Jeeps break instantly, fuck them in the ass

>>15900707
im yuropean like you so i didn't do anything and automatic sales will go higher, no question about that becouse people are not ineterested in cars and driving anymore, but i can't blame them when all we drive are complete shitboxes and luxury to us is a diesel audi or bmw and somehow people like you are still bashing on USA made cars

>>15900739
they are preety good overall but i agree that engine and repairing the northstar could be such a pain in the ass and a cancer in your wallet here in yurop

>>15900750
The average person has never been interested in driving; greater skill and knowledge of it has simply been a necessity in the past.

>>15900719
This picture makes me want to emigrate in to leafland or burgeristan

>>15900696
I wouldn't know I never drove a Saab before

>>15900764
Not worth being surrounded by 350 million absolutely horrid drivers on absolutely horrid roads in both surface condition and variety.

>>15898764
>He doesn't rogue
Why would you get any other Nissan

>>15900787
>implying that's not a minor downside

The only bad thing about America in comparison to Western Europe is import laws. Everything else is pretty much better in every way.

>>15900810
>having to plan your daily driving vehicle around sharing roads with absolute blithering morons in SUVs, and parking lots with absolute blithering morons slamming their doors and pushing their carts into you because lol yolo, it's only a car just take out a loan for a new one
>minor downside

>>15898902
Can confirm, base polo interiors feel like nicer places to be than the stang (Regular stang anyway, idk about the hopped up models)

>>15899071
This isn't a pony car though. It's a family car (Originally designed and conceptualized by Germans actually) with a huge engine dropped in.

>>15899192
damn this car makes my dick diamonds

>>15899393
I still have a hard time believing that this was a thing, reality's a bitch.

>>15901357
yes, me too

>>15898611
Who the fuck put Dodge on the top of that list? I have Dodge trucks for work and they spend 1 out of 8 weeks in the shop

>>15901394
Shit nvm retarded

>>15898669
>Recalls are a bad thing

>>15898611
That is because "buy 'murrican!" types have too much "muh truck is best truck!" pride, and too little brains to actually acknowledge problem with their cars. Most "buy 'murrican" types that I have met, would willingly lie about their troubles in order to validate their purchases because they are doing the whole thing out of stubbron pride than anything.

American cars and trucks are mostly shit with some exceptions. The trend towards globalization isn't helping them either. I prefer Japanese cars made in Japan, but Japanese cars made in the USA or Europe shit all over their US Domestic counterparts.

>>15900184
Why not? It will just end up meaning that new car sales will have Germany-tier taxes in every developed nation.

How progressive!

>>15898611
I've heard you can literally run XJs for 300k miles rough and they'll just keep trucking

>>15902388
Germany is far from the worst. Norway, the Netherlands and especially Denmark are the ones you don't want to live in for new car prices.

>>15899192
>not editing out the driver