Was the 86 a mistake? It's basically an overglorified bloated

>>15793243
>Was the 86 a mistake?
No.

It's supposed to be an affordable sports car for owners to modify as they see fit. A modern S-chassis with aftermarket options plentiful enough to bankrupt Soros if he tried to go through it all.

Unfortunately being affordable attracts retards. And people who can't afford a car in the first place talk about how it sucks because

>muh lap times
>muh 0 to 60

It's also an amazing driving AND passenger experience.

>>15793243
Clarkson said it's fun to drive.
I trust Clarkson more than you.

>>15793243

The Gt86 is the Sega Dreamcast of the car world. On it's own merits, it's a cool system and a dose of fresh air, but then...

The PlayStation 2 came out and rendered it obsolete without a power bump.

>>15793243
i sat in one once, and it felt super tight inside... a little uncomfortable

>>15793264
>sports car
Fucking rofl

>>15793243
No. Learning edge/loss of traction dynamics in a v8 is stupid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVyBaX6sCd4

>>15793523
>I ride the bus and can't actually comprehend what driving a car is like so I have to base all my onions around numbers
Track times don't mean shit in the real world

>>15793675
>197hp """"""""sports car""""""""
Keep clinging to the driving feels, anon. They're all you have to justify spending 25 grand on a sub-200 memecar LOL

>>15793697
Since when do you need very high horse power to make a sports car? Sports car aren't, or at least don't have to be racing oriented...

>>15793697
Reported

>>15793697
Don't most Japanese sports/tuner cars make less than 200hp stock?

A quick search says Silvias and Datsun's were around 160, and the AE86 pounded pulses with 120 in Japan, 110 after emissions in the US

>>15793733
Some people prefer light, nimble cars that handle well and give feedback through the wheel/gearbox/pedals so you improve your driving.

Others just do burnouts and argue about horsepower. These people like to troll the first group.

It sort of gets boring listening to "muh hp" threads all day.

>>15793697
See >>15793531

Why isn't a factory supercharger/turbo a thing in this car?


Why didn't they use existing 4 banger engines with similar displacement and more potential?

>>15793733
It's 2016 not the early to mid 90s' there's no reason for it to be this mediocre (powerwise, it's a fun car and you can't really take that away from it)

>>15793531
It doesn't have to have a V8 to generate power you flaming faggot

>>15793799
Because then it would no longer be cheap.

The whole point of the car was that it was for tuners. Most people here intentionally miss that point.

>>15793852
But it isn't designed for "tuners" the stock compression ratio is 12.5 which is fucking terrible for anyone wanting to do anything without going balls to the walls with it

>>15793806
the reason is the price
name a faster RWD 2+2 car currently being sold at this price
>>15793799
no supercharger/turbo to save on costs
as for the engine choice, Toyota messed that up by working with Subaru

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>>15793243
Ye it's hilariously slow

>>15793857
reliable 300whp for four figure dosh... you dont know what youre talking about

>>15793697
My flatbed tow truck must be a sports car then, it has 300 HP

>>15793312
true a GT86 can't read DVDs

>>15793806
>IT'S
>THE
>CURRENT
>YEAR

>>15793864
>>15793852
How is it going to be expensive for Subaru/Toyota to source a generic SC12 for this day and age (literally going to cost them fuck all, they don't pay what you do for parts why do you autistics not get that)


>>15793870
the fuck are you even saying? You could get literally any vehicle on the planet to 300whp with $9999

>>15793870
>300 horsepower for $9,999 or less
>I can get 300 horsepower including the price of the car for under $2,000

>spiritual successor to a corolla
>surprised that it's slow
Idk what people were expecting

>>15793890
>300 horsepower for $9,999 or less
about 4k but okay

>muh pigfat american pieces of shit
roflmao

>>15793889
cost for engineering the engine to last while under forced induction. more complicated assembly line. more workers. more vendors to work with.

>>15793930
Nope, pure glorious nipshit. Hell, I could do it with gookshit for even cheaper. It's like you're not even trying.

>>15793243
I got to drive one last night.
It was alright. Would have been GOAT... If it came out 20 years ago.

>>15793938
Lmfao listen to yourself.

>>15793243
>Was the 86 a mistake?
Not making a turbocharged version is a massive mistake.

>>15793987
Bench racers were a mistake

>>15793997
Bench racers are the reason this memecar is so "beloved"

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>>15794000
benchracers are the ones posting laptimes on 4chan while actual racers are buying frs/brz "memecars" and racing them on weekends

its already been 4-5 years and toyota/subaru sold 75-80k of them alone i'm sure they know more than anyone itt nothings gonna change no matter how many threads you make about it

>>15793938
>More workers
fucking retard
>More vendors to work with
they already work with these vendors, it's literally as difficult as checking a box
>Engineering engine to last
Everything's already forged apparently from the factory, regardless it doesn't magically age more because FI if engineered correctly and maintained correctly

>>15794000
No, benchdrifters and benchtougers are the ones that like it.

>>15793852
>The whole point of the car was that it was for tuners
Is the ecu open source?
Will modifying the car void the warranty?

Who buys a new car to modify it?

>>15794015
>swathes of retards bought into an overpriced meme
>t-the car is good guys, I swear!
Lol

>Tons of carbabbies pick it up because it's cheap and then rice them out.

I thought you kids were constantly complaining about the ~26k sticker price when they came out? Sucks to be poor I guess.

>>15794032
26k for a 200hp rwd car is a joke. It's nothing to do with me if people wish to waste their money on overpriced crap. This car is principally no different from an iphone.

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>>15793243
>Tons of carbabbies pick it up because it's cheap and then rice them out.

Case in point right here.

why does this car make /o/ so buttmad

>>15794045
3k more and you get a 330hp 370z

lmao

>>15793243
>Was the 86 a mistake?
Yes it was. It was slow when it hit the market in 2012 and it's even slower now relatively speaking. The refreshed 2017 model hasn't proven to be any faster either and don't even get me started on the interiors of these cars.

For every single metric you can compare these cars against, there are better cars. Pretty much everything at the same price point is faster: Miata, WRX, Mustang and Camaro in base trim are all faster in a straight line and around any note worthy road course.

Need a trunk and back seats? Mustang and Camaro both offer similar amounts of space or get a WRX which has space for people with legs in the back and is faster.

Want a drop top? The answer is always Miata.

About the only thing the 86 has over other cars is looks and they still got that wrong with that insane wheel gap and stupidly high offset wheels.

The only way I could feasibly recommend one is to pick up a cheap used early model because the value is dropping like a stone but even then I can't really recommend it because you know they've all been modified and beat on and the engines don't last. If by SOME miracle that you find a clean, low mileage example for really cheap, then go ahead and pick one up and throw on a turbo, some decent wheels and lowering springs and THEN you might have something worth driving but of course because you've modified it, don't expect shit all for resale value.

>>15794087
>wanting to pay $29k Renault-Nissan

/o/ kids are really this dumb

>>15794102
>paying 26k for a 200hp meme
Ur dumberer

>>15794082
Because Toyota/Subaru didn't make something better when it's 100% within their power

>Update 3SGTE
>Throw in GT86
>Fucking spend the R&D money on cocaine

???????

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>>15794108
>mad poorfag

Sorry you can't buy new cars in cash like me.

>>15794133
>those swirls
>those stone chips
>those scratches
>that discolored rubber waterproofing
That car ain't new kek

>>15794138
Dont talk about your bus like that, assmad poorfag

>>15793505
Similar to how I feel about your mother.

>>15794142
Anon you're so silly wahaha~

>>15794130
Use the wrx engine.
Why the fuck have they not done this?
It makes no sense.

>>15794133
>take picture of brothers beat up 2012 scion
>y-you're jealous! >:^(

>>15794159
>projecting

Oh poorfags are so funny. I'll be over here enjoying my paid off new car while you wait for your bus.

>>15793243
I haven't driven one so I can't say for sure. My reservations about it are mostly the reports of a floppy body and weak off the shelf transmission. It could probably use some more power in stock form but if the things I listed are true it's not even a good platform for building on.

>>15794163
>paid off
LOOOOOOL

>>15794175
>can't pay off a new car in cash

You poor? Don't bother replying, we all already know the answer.


Probably gonna pick up the new Supra too when it comes out just to get you even more buttmad.

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>>15793243
I want to buy one and turn it into a drift car.
Yeah its slow and designed for millenials but what's the fun in just paying for a car? Isn't the fun in molding it into something you want?

>>15794182
Nobody ever says they "paid off" a car if they bought it outright with cash, you spaz. You clearly don't even drive kek, or you're just super retarded that you can't keep up with your own deceptions

>>15794206
>I can't afford a new car in cash that means no one else can!

The delusion is real. Maybe the bus driver will drive the bus off the cliff for you if you ask nicely.


Smell Dumb Poorfag Scum

>>15794214
At least you might learn from your mistakes and offer some more subtle trolling next time there's someone bashing on your onii-chan's memecar, but I won't hold my breath.

>>15794232
>butthurt projecting because you got BTFO

WIll poorfags ever recover? You're poor because you're a retard.

>>15794031
>Everyone is an idiot except for me
t. An idiot

>>15794240
Lmao next time post a goldenface for added authenticity, Al

>>15794250
>BTFO poorfag hasn't killed himself yet

Why?

>>15794198
Everything a FRS can do, a Miata can do better. It's also not a car designed for millenials.

>>15794241
Eat shit. Millions of scat fetishists can't be wrong!

>>15794258
>. It's also not a car designed for millenials.

Yeah it's designed for faggots, so much better.

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>>15793697
>190hp """"""""sports car""""""""

>>15794274
How fucking desperate are you kek

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>>15794274
>the C3 only had one engine

Try again.

>>15794082
Because it's almost the perfect /o/ car.

>>15793799
>Why isn't a factory supercharger/turbo a thing in this car?
>Why didn't they use existing 4 banger engines with similar displacement and more potential?
Nobody knows. Could have been a great car, but we got cucked with a 16 second 1/4 car

There are civics faster than this PoS.

>>15794015
>16's 1/4 care
>fast

okay pal

The car is underpowered. Unless you engine swamp or find a way to remove 1000 lbs, it's shit on a track too.

>>15794370
t. buttmad Civic owner

FWD cucks, when will they learn?

>>15794015
>Implying the car is a success with less than 100k sold worldwide in 4 years.

>>15794361
>>15794370
It's a high 14 second 1/4 mile car. Still slow AF but at least get your facts straight.

Even the Ecoboost and V6 Mustangs and Camaros are a full second faster.

If you think $27k is a lot for a fun toy then you need to re-evaluate your life. Kids around here get these as graduation presents.

A modded side by side is around the same price range and only ~100hp. You can spend a lot more than 27k on a Harley ffs.

>>15794486
I think you are the one who needs to re evaluate their life.
It sounds as if you have no respect. I bet you know the price of everything and the value of nothing.
27k is more than half the average persons annual salary.

Why don't you fuck off and come back when you've grown up.
Fucking punk ass kids

>>15794573
>butthurt poorfag

lol

>>15794594
oh lol it's you

shoulda known you'd be back to defend the honor of your bigbrotheryourethebest's mememobile

>>15794435
I pulled on a BRZ in my shitty 07 Civic Si on the highway and it literally could not catch up to me...a fucking CIVIC.

>>15794643

Well you need lunch trays to drift soooo.

The only real problem with the 86 twins is the power source. Subaru's boxer is extremely weak and has a deep torque dip right in the middle so you have to rev it to the moon to get anything.

Replace the boxer and you actually have a good car then.

>>15794594
No. I used to be poor so I have a very healthy respect of money and expect good value for money.
Statements like "26k is nothing" make you sound like a jackass manchild that has no concept of the real world.

>>15793243
i'm in my late 30s, owned a lot of cars, NSX, NA Miata, Boxster, MK 5 GTI.

I've been dd-ing my GT86 for 2+ years, and after all this time, i still get a kick driving it, ITS THE ONLY CAR that does this.

Sure, the lack of torque or power dip in 3500-4500 range is dissapointing, but the chassis is incredible. It just stable yet you can kick the tail out easily and its just fun.

If you want straight line power or some shit like that, get something else, but this car wasn't build for speed, or to beat any track records, it was build for pure driving pleasure and it excels at it admirably and is an example for future cars.

However, i don't think there will a 2nd gen car, especially one with a na engine, this and the ND Miata are the last of their kind.

>>15794681
>needs a turbo

>>15794701

You could afford these nice toys if you laid off the video games and anime girl pillows faggot.

>a car manufacturer in the age full of fat ugly SUVs and econoboxes releases affordable fun-to-drive car
>/o/ bitches about it

>>15794701
>>15794638
>poorfags still butthurt hours later

Poorfags eternally BTFO

>>15794709
Or that. Which is actually fine, because it's supposed to be a "tuning car".

>>15794730
You belong on autoib.org, this place is just for sewage-posters now.

>>15794730
Pretty much this. /o/ is /v/-tier with cynicism now. Nothing is ever good enough.

>>15793243
It's not that great but it's a hell of a lot better than anything Toyota officially released in the last 14 years as far as sportiness goes. What else has Toyota released that's sporty in that time, the Scion TC? Maybe the Tacoma X-Runner? The Caldina GT4 wasn't released stateside :(

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>>15793243
It wasn't a mistake.
They delivered a fun, engaging driving experience, great looks, and an overall good quality vehicle for a reasonably competitive price.
No, it's not a straightline monster, but that doesn't make it any less fun.
IRL no one hates this car, it's just an /o/ meme that's overbloated.

/o/ hates this car because it costs more than $2k, therefor maybe 5 people here can afford it.

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>>15794915
this is so true it hurts. although there are some guys with expensive cars, most cars you see in threads are shitboxes from the early 2000s or late 90s.

my car included.

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>>15794930
>>15794915
>>15794901
>shills btfo

>>15794930
What if I have a shitbox from the 90s that I put $5000 into and now it is faster than I ever wanted it to be?

>>15794915
/o/ would love it if it had 250 - 275hp.
I owned a na miata. And it was great in the twisted, but it was so fucking slow it just made it shit to drive.

A sports car needs to be sporty. That means fast and good handling.

>>15794958
Cool

>>15794958
You don't, or else you would be driving it and not sitting here on a Saturday shitposting about a car you can't afford.

>>15794915
when it was announced it would be a Toyota subaru joint project, everyone assumed it would have a turbocharged flat four.
I think everyone was a bit disappointed because of what it could have been.

>>15793806
Yeah, go buy a non-sports car these days, most of them barely make 150 hp, power in normal cars isn't going up.

>>15794730
It's underpowered. It weighs 2700lbs. It has no torque. It has a crappy power delivery. All for the low low sum of $25,995! What a bargain haha

>>15795090
Don't buy one then. Buy a WRX or a used S2000 if you don't like it. Its obviously not the car for you.

Your shitposting and whining won't lead to someone from Toyota stumbling on this thread 5 years after the car was released and thinking HEY LOOK MAYBE WE SHOULD TURBO IT BECAUSE I SAW THIS 110 POST THREAD ON A ANIME IMAGEBOARD AND THIS GUY REALLY REALLY WISHES IT HAD MORE POWER like you're the only one who said it in the history of the world

>>15795106
>don't express your opinion
??

Also why do you fucking children think every action undertaken must have attached to it some kind of greater purpose and causal outcome?

Is this how you get taught at school? No wonder the country is infested with liberals playing the victim card every chance they can lmao

>>15793243
Replace the tires and wheels for something that isn't prius levels of grip and get a CARB legal turbo kit so all you need to do is flash the stock ECU and install some parts. You now have a 300 horsepower 86 that can corner.

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>>15793243
>Tons of carbabbies pick it up because it's cheap and then rice them out.
That's the point. An affordable, blank canvas for ricers.

>>15795193
We've gotten a thread literally every week on /o/ about the FRS/BRZ for the last five years. FIVE YEARS.

Its enough.

And no, your uneducated opinion isn't worth listening to. Drop your entitlement you libshit. You won't get a participation award for making this thread.

Drive it first, and if you don't like the car? No one's forcing you to buy it. Buy something else, end of story.

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>>15793243
>Was the 86 a mistake?
By what metric?
It won more car of the year awards than any other vehicle in history.

3 years after first going on sale there was still a 4 month waiting list for one.

>>15793243
>>15795236
>ton of carbabbies pick them up
not a mistake if they sell a bunch of them, doesn't matter who buys them

>>15795237
Fuck off that

>>15795237
>mad toyobarufag wants the memes to stop
Memecar's gonna get memed on, son. Dwi

>>15795248
>miata beat on lap time

I have a hard time believing this, and I'm an FR-S fan

daily reminder that roadsters are the true enthusiast's car

>>15794153
>Use the wrx engine

It is the WRX engine. Just without the bottom mounted turbo.

>>15794340
>Because it's almost the perfect /o/ car.

I feel like it's some kind of dissonance where /o/ was given exactly what they asked for, but we're so used to being disappointed by modern cars they couldn't process it. So they shitpost endlessly to try and ruin their perfect car.

>>15795746
It's not an EJ20, it's an FA20
Not the same engine at all.

>>15795643
https://youtu.be/JHLTlWgSVyg
>MX-5 Global Cup car (160 BHP from emissions delete, interior and softtop delete cancel out with cage addition in weight, no other changes)
>1:18
http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/willow-springs-streets-of-willow
>Nissan GT-R NISMO
>1:19
>BRZ
>1:30

>>15795789
Shit, didn't realize that the WRX got a new engine in 2015, disregard that, I suck cocks.

What's to stop people from putting the turbo from the FA20F on their BRZ and making 300HP on the cheap?

>>15795789
2014+ WRX uses the FA20.

>>15795808
Literally nothing.

>>15795248
I have an FR-S but if I didn't need the backseat (i know that sounds retarded) I would've gotten the miata for sure. 2300 lbs in a new car is insane

>>15795820
>>15795808
High compression? How are peoples motors fairing after having boost on them for several thousand miles? not being sarcastic btw

>>15795905
The FA20F has lower compression.

>>15795905
Even there is high compression, the internals are forged, and I'm pretty sure that you could reliably run 10-12PSI without much of a problem.
I'm in no way engineer, but I've owned cars with aftermarket turbos on them and never had much of a problem with stock blocks.
You may have to retard the ignition timing a little bit on the FRS just to prevent detonation. If the anon earlier is correct, 12.5:1 compression is pretty wild.

>>15795808
The turbo on the WRX is mounted on the bottom for better cooling via the diffusers. You can't fit the turbo down there on the BRZ. You can still turbo it, but it's substantially easier to just supercharge it up top.

Also, daily reminder that literal retards on this board think that you can just slam in a V-6 or an inline anything in the 86's engine bay and have it fit, because they're simple benchracers who have never attempted an engine swap. The entire fucking reason the aesthetic on the vehicle is so good is because the FA lies so flat in the engine bay.

>>15795905
From 12.5:1 to 10.6:1 when you look at the FA20F.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Subaru_engines#FA20F

>>15793243
I wouldn't buy one new desu, although I honestly wouldn't buy any car new for financial reasons.

But damn in a few years there'll be a good lot of them hanging around like the s-chassis today. Sure they'll be fucked up but who cares, in a decade when I'm not a poorfag I'll buy one and go to town.

The only thing is it doesn't have pop up lights. Do you guys think it would be possible to fabricate pop ups for a car with normal headlights?

>>15795905
Based on the forums, they are holding up just fine with a 50% boost.

>>15795965
How hard would it be to run enough coolant and heat shields to make a top mounted turbo worthwhile?
>>15795980
>Do you guys think it would be possible to fabricate pop ups for a car with normal headlights?
wtf are you smoking? I thought you were actually intelligent before you said that.
I like ppopups too, but it would be fucking retarded to put them on a car with fixed lights

Its a platform to build off of for actual diy tuners that want something new that they can own for years without having to restore it.

Its a fun and safe way for entry level drivers to get into RWD cars.

Its relatively cheap.

Its two popular brands making a neat car together.

Its a great car for what it is and seems to be selling well enough that it'll be the 240sx of school children today.
FWIW, I grew up drifting Toyota Cressidas and stock 240sxs. People that rely on horsepower don't understsnd the beauty of proper clutch kicking.

If you want more power I'm sure there will be very well documented and effective ways to do this down the line after a few more years.

>>15795998
>beauty of proper clutch kicking.
mah nigga

>>15795993
I just really like popups and am sad they will never come back, all we'll have on the future is jew soap boxes that drive for you

>>15794901
It totally was, theres no reason to get this over a Civic Si

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>>15796041
Enjoy your Civic!

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>>15795998
>tuning new cars
>not waiting a few years for prices to drop like a stone

>>15796072
I will

watch as I produce more power and get better fucking gas mileage than this mememobile

>>15793264
>modern s chassis
w e w

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>>15796097
Cool, I'm proud of your decision!

>>15795998
>modern S chassis
>more 240SX sold in 2 years than the 86 has in 4

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>ITT

>>15794045
Weird that's what I paid for a brand new wrx.

>>15796160
Kek is that oc? Well done

>>15796237
>old filename
newfag

>>15796260
4chan X gives uploaded files random filename timestanps from the past year.

>>15796263
you're still a newfag if you though that image was oc

>>15796281
I wasn't actually the person you were replying to, but yeah you're right.

>>15796281
I've seen the original image but it's obviously been altered. But I am kinda new so whatever

>>15796337
lurk please

>>15796349
Wait can you tell me how I know the filename is old?
Is the date of the original post in the numbers?

>>15795998
Well documented? It's already well-documented.

Here's what you do. You get a TRD intake and exhaust, then get a Works Stage 2 GT28 turbo kit. Maybe you can swap the GT28 for something with ball bearings, but it will work well enough.

Here's your result after you get a less restrictive intake and exhaust with the turbo kit: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2723927#post2723927

>>15796371
>Is the date of the original post in the numbers?

Posts are numbered sequentially per board.

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>>15794066
That car did nothing to deserve that.

>>15796656
You'll have to forgive me. I don't own one and grew up working on JDM cars in the 90s when ebaumsworld was the site most ppl bothered to look at.

>>15793264
It's not a sports car.

>>15793675
Track Times don't matter for a mini van. They kinda matter for a sports car though, stupid.

>>15793675
The "Sport" is literally racing around a track or course, so yeah the track times of a sports car are kinda pertinent.

>>15793531
How could you even lose traction in a car that slow?

>>15793531
Mustangs are pieces of shit

>>15793733
yeah... like 30 years ago when japan was in an economic crisis

>>15793742
Implying there's no fast cars that handle well. Just because we're not slowfags doesn't make us MustangNiggers

>>15793748
Mustangs aren't sports cars and the owners aren't humans (niggers)

>>15795998
If it's a "platform to build" why did they have the comp-ratio so frustratingly high? I can dig the fact that it's a safe, and cheap option for a new RWD car and i can't think of a (((NEW))) competitor (besides the miata) but i just can't see why they would make it 12.5

>>15793872
Retarded.

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>Used to hate this car when it first came out

>starting to grow on me, appreciating for the black canvas it is more than just numbers on a chart

Is this what it's like to not be an /o/tist?

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>>15796821

>>15797024
I really like the GT86 that was on JLG

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EIX0muT75s

>>15797015
Because even with 200 BHP it gets rekt in a straight line by the NC's 165 BHP and the ND's 155 BHP. It would be a laughingstock if they reduced the compression and it only made 175 BHP stock.

>>15797024
You are an /o/tist forever. You are no longer a benchracer.

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>>15793264
a bit like the tt01

>cheap
>blank canvas
>you're supposed to mod it

>costs 5x more than 90s Jap cars that are faster
>12.5:1 compression
>macphereson struts

Toyota is smart, they saw that there is a big segment of wannabes that were dumping money into shitty old rice machines but weren't competent enough to keep them on the road, so they made a car that was almost as good as existing cars from the 90s that they could buy on payments and install overpriced bolt ons that don't do anything. To anyone that knows anything about cars it's obviously a piece of shit, but you can't deny it nailed the market segment.

>>15798096
Gee, I wonder how much those 90's cars were when they were new.

>>15798096
What piece of shit do you drive again?

>>15793243
>Was the 86 a mistake?

It's like an RX-8, but slower.

>>15793243
why not buy a wrx and remove the front half shafts ???

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>>15798198

>>15798165
It's about as quick as the RX8 though. 10whp less but also 300lbs lighter with a better power band.

>>15795905
It looks like you can get up to ~280whp reliably on these engines. Plenty of people running those power levels on stock internals over 20000 miles with no issue. People do seem to start running into problems as low as 320whp though.

>>15796970
Yes they are and they're still better than the 86. Says something, doesn't it?

>>15797024
It's only good after it's been modified and most people here can't afford a new car much less to modify one.

Of course, I have no idea why you'd buy a new car and then modify it. You'll get a lot more for your money by buying a used Civic and modifying that.

>>15798333
10 WHP less than a defective one with a collapsed catalytic converter. Plus, getting 280 horsepower out of an RX-8 is as easy as picking up a couple of GSL-SE rotor housings and having a header made. No turbo necessary.

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>>15798333
>10whp less
>with a better power band

>>15798838
Oh my gosh lol they arent the target demographic in a popular selling car. Hahahhaha it must be bad and i get my drivers license and a real job i will prove this in a test drive at my local dealership............. that is, IF they ALLOW it because I am a poor inexperienced driver.

>>15798806
320whp seems insane. That's 377 or so crank hp assuming I've done my math correctly. In a fucking 2800lb car that comes with low 200-something section tires stock..

>no faster than my 3600-pound Outback

good job, Toyota

>>15798852
Considering people consider the stock tires slippery for the stock power level, I think you'd be insane to keep the stock tires after adding a turbo.

>>15798096
Don't you sniff seats rich people sit in for a living? Fuck off Fartbreaker.

>>15798880
Oh yeah keeping the exact stock tires would be retarded, I just don't know how big of a tire a GT86 can fit. But too me a 1/10 power/weight ratio is a very nice quick car, maybe a little more, but 377 in a 2800lb car is almost a 1/7 ratio. That's a lot of power to be putting through that drivetrain.

>>15794274
They should put this in a graveyard

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>>15798852
>tfw 407 wheel horsepower in from an NA6 Miata engine

>be s13 25 years ago
>make 200hp
>be 2700 pounds
wew lad what a throwback
>>15793264
>it's a platform
It's fucking 25,000 dollars. It's everything you love about the 90s without being cheap or beat to shit. It's not worth it.

>>15798909
how huge is that turbo?

The best thing about this car is that it both appeals to inexperienced drivers and genuinely upsets autistic benchracers that will probably never have enough money to even lease-... No, even RENT this car hahahabhahaahah

>b-b-but $26k!


How much do you think those 90s shitboxes you all lust for cost new after adjusted for inflation?

>>15798846
And remove all semblance of street-legality or chance of passing emissions (because the RX-8 is pretty damn locked down).

I haven't seen one break 190whp bone stock, mind you. Most I've seen make 180-190whp, with a bunch of S1s dynoing as low as 160-170whp. Mods don't really do much for those cars. FRSs dyno 160-170whp bone stock, and weigh 2650-2750lbs. They're both high 14 second cars.

http://www.rx8club.com/series-i-tech-garage-22/dyno-results-compilation-77031/page30/

>>15798915
Except a S13 in 2016 would not pass emissions in any western country, would be lucky to get 1/5 stars in a crash safety test, and would get lapped by the GT86 even with the Prius tires just because you're dealing with 25 years worth of advancements in suspension/brake/chassis technology (especially rigidity, the S-Chassis cars S13 in particular was a flexy flier).

>>15793312
AND YET THE DREAMCAST IS MORE ALIVE TODAY THAN IT HAS BEEN IN THE LAST TEN YEARS, REALLY MAKES YOU THINK.

>>15793505
How to tell you're a fat cunt

>>15794087
Which is a head of shit.
>BUT MUH POWAH

>>15794704
Some people don't get it.
I've got one too, have owned faster cars but they're just not as fun.

>>15798994
FR-S dynos low 160s stock and mid 170s with an intake and tune. RX-8s dyno 190-210 for a 6 port in good working order, but 170-180 for your average car with dying cats.

Also:
>Living in California or New York
Done goofed, son.

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>>15798926
>>15798909
>not knowing about the 8 second miata
http://www.globalnetspace.com/miata/

Granted, the fucking rotating assembly costs more than the car (FM sells it for $5k)

>>15799231
The stroker kit is a fucking joke. For $1k you can swap in an FE3 and have a stronger 2.0L. Hell, cheaper than that for this guy since he wouldn't have to adapt it to the Miata drivetrain.

I had a 15 brz before my 16 sti, my abarth was more fun. The only reason the brz seemed any fun was you would have to red line it to go fast and it made it seem fast but wasn't. Why it only costs a grand less than a wrx with allot less going for it makes me feel it's only worth 20k$.

>>15794915
About 0 people here can afford it, unless some trust fund kid is kicking around. Everyone here could make payments on it or lease it save the NEETs, but that's throwing money away and it doesn't make you rich. Poorfags do it all the time.

Also it'll be $8-10k (an easy out of pocket purchase for people who aren't in constant debt) in a few years and /o/ still won't buy it

>>15798850
>out for 5 years
>sold 75k globally in that time
>popular
rofl

>>15800789
>an easy out of pocket purchase for people who aren't in constant debt
does that include 25 year mortgages?

>>15800879
>globally

the number would easily be 2.5x that, its 83,873 FRS/BRZs sold in the USA alone as of august 2016.

>>15798909
>LUDICROUS SPEED

>>15797015
Because emissions and power. If you really hate it that much install a thicker head gasket.

I really don't understand why people are freaking out over how little power a BRZ or GT86 makes. There are already a lot of aftermarket forced induction kits out there. If you buy the Works Motorsport CARB legal turbo they will include the ECU map for you. Add in a Perrin Motorsport catback and cold air intake and you'll be on the order of 250-260 WHP or so and around 310 hp at the crank.

From there you just need to add extra cooling, new sway bars, Ohlins DFVs, and better tires. For less than 50k you have a car that would be a solid daily driver, OEM level of fit and finish, 50 state emissions/smog legal, and is at least comparable to a Cayman for sheer speed.

Tfw i put a cheap turbo kit on my 86 and its the most fun car ive ever driven 3 years on. Feel free to meme your dick off about it, i know the truth that fun things are fun

>>15793312
What is the PlayStation 2 of cars in this analogy?

>>15793243

Yeah, it's a joke.

Fiesta ST offers comparable performance for $7k less.

This PoS costs as much as a WRX. I have no idea who buys these things

>>15804250
liar

>>15804250
>Cheap turbo kit running fine for 3 years on 12.5 comp

lmao

>>15804555
Benchracers that wanted a Miata but bought an 86 because 197 > 155.

>>15804752
What about people who wanted a Miata but also wanted backseats and a trunk and didn't really want a convertible

The only benchracers are here on /o/

>>15804752
What about people who want a car that doesn't have well documented transmission issue?

>>15804514
dude civics are faster than 86's

it could be literally anything

>>15793243
All of the praise you hear about the gt86 is basically buyers remorse.

It would be great if it didn't offer so little for the price that you pay. but anyone who owns one will tell you they're amazing because they're never owned anything thats actually fast or handles well

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>>15804761
>wanted backseats
They bought WRXes instead.
>and a trunk
Did you need to haul more than one dead hooker at a time?
>and didn't really want a convertible
What kind of faggot reasoning is this? That's like buying a 20 MPG 2L I4 over a 30 MPG 6L V8 because you didn't want a V8.

>>15804800
It's a materials issue limited to the first run of cars. By the time news got out, all of the faulty cars were already sold.

>>15804722
>>15804732
Believe what you want. Ill just be over here enjoying life

>>15805040
Okay, bread on turbo or fuck off.

>>15804927
>That's like buying a 20 MPG 2L I4 over a 30 MPG 6L V8 because you didn't want a V8.
Because tiny 2L funboxes cost the same as a V8 drag boats

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>>15805043
I dont eat bread but have a fuck you

>>15805063
I guess you ate the turbo instead

>>15805069
Its low mount. Hard to get a good pic with evidence in it

>>15805077
Sure. Show an intercooler then.

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>>15805069
Forgot pic

Its a great feel when you know your diesel 2.0 turbo shirbox accelerates faster than this car while havinf thrice as good mpgs

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>>15805079
Intercooler is black for stealth

>>15805105
Holy shit wash your nasty car you poofta.

>>15805091
The only cars that get 90mpg are hybrids

>>15805118
You try living in aussie outer suburbs in winter and see if you have the time to wash your car twice a day to keep it clean

>>15805119
twice as good then.

>>15793864
A Mustang V6.

>>15804927
A WRX doesn't drive anything like a BRZ though. And it would explain the FRS/BRZ consistently outselling the Miata.

>wanting a convertible

Yes, we get it, you like the Miata, awesome.

I don't like getting roasted in the sun on a hot summer day. I don't like leaky tops or getting my top sliced ($500-1000) because some nig thinks I have something of value in my Miata. I don't like not being able to keep anything of value in the car because I have to leave it unlocked to prevent this from happening. I like being able to go to Costco and not having to put food where the passenger sits. I like being able to pick up people from the airport, fit two 50lb suitcases without a problem, and not have to tell them "uhhhh take a cab sorry".

>>15804907
Explain the heaps of praise from automotive journalists who get paid to drive cars that handle better and go faster every day

>>15795090
You could always LS swap it
You know, like everyone.

>>15805239
This kills the weight distribution.

>>15793733
Engines have advanced, cars have gotten heavier. The GT86 is a good bit porker than the AE86. There is no excuse, and a lot of need, for it to have more horsepower.

>>15794274
>Malaise era
Kill them all.

Pre-73 big blocks had over 300 net HP though.

>>15794153
Because Subaru is afraid it'd hurt WRX sales. Meanwhile, vaping is at an all time high, so Subie's has got nothing to worry about.

>>15795948
The internals aren't the problem, the compression ratio is. 12.5 to 1 is pretty high, and it's going to be hard to add more than 0.5 Bar of boost without running into detonation issues. You could back off the timing a lot, but that would result in a net power loss. You'd be better off just dropping in different pistons, lowering the compression ratio.

Also, if I'm not mistaken, it's direct injection, which means you'll run out of injector capacity on the stock n/a ones. You could use the WRX ones, but I highly doubt those can take any upgrades, or something like ethanol tuning. It's going to be pretty costly no matter how you turn it.

>>15795993
>How hard would it be to run enough coolant and heat shields to make a top mounted turbo worthwhile?
Practically impossible to make it do anything more than a 10 minute track session. You might get away with it with in regular driving, but I'd worry about those IAT's if I ran into a traffic jam.

>>15797015
If they didn't use 12.5:1, it would fail emissions standards, and wouldn't get good MPG in testing.

>>15802385
>If you really hate it that much install a thicker head gasket.
That would blow the fuck out if you add boost.

>>15804800
Those people wait for the superior Fiata anyways.

>>15805348
I believe HKS has one that lowers it to 12.4:1. If you really want to dramatically change the compression ratio, get new pistons. Regardless, tuners are not having huge issues with the high compression ratio. It's combined direct and port injection. Crawford has a 500 horsepower kit if you really want to go full retard on a GT86/BR-Z.

I literally could not care less how fast a car is.
I'm not a professional racer, lap times mean nothing to me.

What does matter to me is fun. I like fast cars because they're fun, not because they're fast.

The 86 is fun, therefore I don't care how fast it is.

>>15805340
>Also, if I'm not mistaken, it's direct injection, which means you'll run out of injector capacity on the stock n/a ones
Its direct and port so just getting bigger ports is good enough. You just need to supplement with them when the direct are firing

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/o/ in a nutshell
>muh pop ups
>at least 600 ps
>rwd (additional fwd)
>muh turbo
>muh v8
>muh not soapy
>at least 350 km/h
>I won't spend more than 50$ on it

y'all suffer from autism

>>15805575
Nay, alas see we, what diseaseth consume us, is good taste. A plague we burden with lust and desire.

>>15805575
/o/ doesn't drive. But even a busrider could are how much of a ripoff the Toyobaru is. Even the V6 Mustang is fucking cheaper kek. Even the fucking ecoboost Mustang is cheaper KEK

>>15805575
you forgot the >I'm an engineer and make six figures btw

>>15805861
I wouldn't be surprised if there are actual engineers making six figures on /o/ or /k/, but they're definitely not the ones bragging about either of those things because if you live in the SF Bay Area 100k/yr is really just enough to get you by, rent is like 2-3k a month in most areas which leaves you with about 36k/yr for other expenses.

>>15805271
Fa20 and ls1 weigh about the same

>>15793243
Truth be told, the 86 is a fantastic vehicle. By no means is it suppose to be a sportscar, but more like a roadster. If they were to make it a roadster, then goddamn would it be nice.

However, they made it with only 200hp, which sucks. That makes it affordable and you know what every "affordable sports car" drivers are like.... arrogant and ignorant combined.

>>15793243
what's wrong with being an overglorified bloated miata
i can drive the 86 and have the same fun in it as I can a miata
except I can also drive the 86 to pick up a date and not have them think anything of it

>>15808049
really all it needed was 250
>>15805271
not really check the weights

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>>15807745
>Fa20 and ls1 weigh about the same

But the LS is bigger, which shifts the weight up and forward. And I seem to remember that you have to remove the A/C compressor to make it fit at all.

>>15808049
>It's fantastic
>But it sucks
>It's not a sports car
>It's a sports car

Thanks for clearing that up, anon.

>>15807745
>>15808074

What is moment of inertia for 200.

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>>15808082
no you can fit a 5.7L Ls1 with full utilites in the chassis, hood may need to be trimed for intake thou

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>>15808431
Yeah its faster but the frs is just a better driving experience.

Quoting Peter Tarach from superstreetonline.com
"The combination of MacPherson front strut and double-wishbone rear suspension, 215/45R17 summer performance tires, a rapid electronic steering rack, and properly reinforced frame are all key aspects underneath the handling brilliance of the BRZ.
Even if the engineers tried, I don’t think they could improve on the BRZ’s current steering feel and precision. Simply put, it is the best I have driven in any modern-day sports car (including exotics). The fact that it’s electric is even more impressive because most systems assisted by electric motors are numb, lacking feedback and liveliness."

Its all in the frame design

>>15808490
http://www.superstreetonline.com/cars/new-car-reviews/modp-1209-2013-subaru-brz/

>>15808480

a neon RT had that shit 15 years ago

>>15808512
The question was "Was the 86 a mistake? It's basically an overglorified bloated miata."

Which is an incredibly silly statement, with the amount of car reviews and reviewer who all put their name on the line saying its a "drivers car."

It may not be faster, but it better engineered than a miata chassis.

>>15808557
did someone shit on your waifu's boobs or something wtf is that brown smudge

>>15808557
Really think about that, you can get someone to claim the car handels like a god, with mcphersons

They must have done something right ;)

>>15793844
Yeah, because learning in a V12 would make everything ok

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>>15808610
Strong but fair argument

>>15808557
>it has fucking impreza parts

An early prototype had rear suspension from the WRX. The production car does not.

>>15808610
Do you know what handling is?

>>15808687

Then it's you versus the entire world's motoring press, tripfag.

>>15805118
>>15805121
christ, good thing you unhygenic ass australians are all the way down there

>>15795044
in the early 2000s v6 sedans made like 200hp now they do 300hp. Even regular 4 bangers might reach the limits of fwd.

>>15805196
explain how every modern videogame has it listed as a subaru BRZ, or a gt86, or a scion FRS


paid shilling my dude

>>15809485
I should clarify that it's listed as all 3 brands while having the same performance in game, I can't think of a videogame that has ever shilled multiple badges of the same car. it's not just in one game either, i've noticed in in more than 3 so far so it's obviously being marketed to everyone super hard from all angles but I've driven one and in my opinion it was nothing special.

People talking about how amazingly it handles obviously haven't driven any proper RWD sports cars.

my beat to shit supra handles nicer than a BRZ
fuck toyota for making this POS

>>15793243
Theres a problem with your new car if the entire community surrounding it revolves around dumping money into it to make it not a shitbox


It's a new fucking "sports" car so it should be nice driving off the lot, seems like people drive them off the lot and straight into a shop to dump another 10k into it to make it barely able to keep up with a stock WRX from 15 years ago

If you think this car handles poorly then you have no concept of weight transfer and really the basics of driving in general.

The FRS/BRZ is loved by actual irl drifters that can't find CLEAN Silvias. It one of the best platforms when buying a NEW car to build off of. A lot of bench racers here will scoff at the idea of having to modify a new car but anyone that's been to a track knows that they're gonna be spending time dialing in and modifying the car as they see fit regardless of what it is.

Yes, its slow. But I've heard that it has the exact same weight distribution and wheelbase of a E30.

This car has already been embraced by the professional drifting world, with it being to go-to choice for many in the top 20 ranked drivers. Once the initial price drops enough you will be seeing more and more people do awesome things with this car.

And of course its an obvious throwback to the AE86.

I think Toyota hit the nail in the head with this car and once the bus riders on this forum save up enough lunch money to buy one after they finally get their licenses they might see that.

Until then have fun playing videogames and using them as a reference point when formulating your unintentionally hilarious posts.

>>15809591
have you actually driven one senpai? they aint that nice to drive. with all the hype i expected much more than what it was.

>>15793243
Its a car that had some good ideas but is weighed down by more negatives that cant be outweighed by "cool chassis bro"

The problem is the amount of people that have them and will never touch them under the hood. I've seen countless idiots in these things trying to race anyone and everyone at the lights and it's obvious that they're revving the absoloute shit out of them to get them to go anywhere and the opponent almost always smokes them because THEY ARE NOT FAST STOP PRETENDING THEY ARE

>>15798846
>getting 280 horsepower out of an RX-8 is as easy as picking up a couple of GSL-SE rotor housings and having a header made
Where did you read that?

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I just don't get how /o/, and exclusively /o/, hates this car so much. I've read multiple reviews and the only consistent complaint is that they say it could use more power, but that it's still great as is.

>>15793243
nope, it was a brilliant marketing decision, they pretty much said "look at me! I want to be modded to oblivion! give your poor miata a break!" I would much rather have vaping cucks fuck these up then destroy any more s14s

>>15804514
A v6 mustang

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>>15805848
If the stang weren't a bathtub on wheels, I'd consider the ecoboost. A little i4 which comes with a tarbo out of the box, so I don't have to build it for boost?
And it's RWD?
and manuel?
Yus pls.
But alas, America can't do that.

>>15809925
If you actually read the article the only positive is "its just barely powerful enough to skid but not so powerful you'll overdo it"


Confirmed for babbys first sports car

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>>15809591
>Drifting

>>15793264
Wouldn't it have been better with more power or a turbo?

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>>15798915
>It's fucking 25,000 dollars. It's everything you love about the 90s without being cheap or beat to shit. It's not worth it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqTFi1M__9o

>1989
>MSRP on a new s13 is $13,199
>Adjusted for inflation it's $25k in 2016
Funny how that works out, huh anon?

>>15810089
I4 Ecoboob should go into a small RWD sports car. Too bad that if it isn't a FWD econobox it's a half ton muscle car in America

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>>15797184
>>15794066
Would drive. Wish I knew where to get decals like this on my car, I'd get some Cowfee.

hachiroku

>>15810533
That's actualy a good point