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>If a Golf GTi is considered a hot hatch and has 217hp/220ps, is that the baseline for what can be considered a hot hatch?
I mean for a C-segment hot hatch.

What the baseline for a B-segment hot hatch? The Fiat 500 Abarth is a hot hatch in that size, but a Chevy Sonic RS is considered a warm hatch.

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>>15755519
It's like a big orange hamster.

>>15755512
>Whyundai Molester

>>15755615
>hiyun die velusturd

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So, not a hot hatch, but a warm hatch?

I REALLY like the Ford Fiesta Ecoboost with the 1.0 liter 3 cylinder turbo.

If anything happens to my MazdaSpeed, I might get one, or the Fiesta ST.

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I just got this thing on Monday.
Quite fun, but I'm still learning how to drive it. Also think my dad might steal it.

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Is this hot enough of a hatch?

>>15755988
>Golf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QtLfAJxLqk

>>15756000
I wish I got your reference, but I don't

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>>15755988
Hi friend

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Is a 1.8 turbo hot enough?

>>15756052
And VW is hot enough. My old one was, especially when it caught fire.

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Hey now

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Hey guys

>>15756116
>>15756106
Delicious and hot af

anyone had any experience with a mountune FiST

>>15756106
>>15756116
>>15756136
Samefagging this hard

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What can I do to make my hatch a little hotter?
2003 Protege 5
It's pretty fun to drive, but doesn't really have that much acceleration. I was thinking about trying to turbo it, because the engine is identical to the MSP engine and pretty similar to a Miata engine too. I think they can run about 10-12psi on stock internals.
What are some other things that I might want to? I'm already buying a short shifter and new bushings to tighten up the shifts.
I'm hesitant to change anything in the suspension or the exhaust because I don't want ricers to try to race me any more than they do, and fags in Hondas already try to when the car is bone stock.

>>15756232
headers intake exhaust lightweight flywheel.

Fiesta ST isn't available in my 3rd world country. Is the 1.0 ecoboost okay?

>>15756428
They are dependable transport, just don't expect speed.

Well equipped, fantastic cars.

>>15756437
Compared to the Mazda2, Fit, Yaris, and Swift?

Is the Ecoboost a meme?

>>15755977
We hunt eye de lobster

>>15756466
Its better than those. I think its around 130-150 hp

>>15756466
Can't say about them desu, I haven't driven them.

I know the 1.0 Fiesta is decent though.

Best thing to do is a test drive the ones you are interested in, and decide which one suits you best.

>>15756428
Great car, engine is pretty cool. It has more HP than comparable cars (mazda2, swift, cнevy Aveo, etc). If you're not used to a manual you'll need to git gud, because there's not a lot of low end torque so hill starts will be the only real problem.
They actually make good power for a 1L and you can increase boost if you're that kind of person.

>>15756212
No

>>15756466
Ecoboost makes good torque with a decent powerband, but needs a catch can. Not very overengineered, but if you're getting the 1L you don't want a dyno queen.

I have a manual 2015 GTI. I enjoy driving it. Because it has a turbo, sometimes the engine doesn't give me the power exactly when I want it, but I'm getting better at keeping the RPMs in the right zone when I'm in the mood.

Not a huge fan of the brake and throttle pedals... but, a year later, I'm finally getting better at heel-toe in it.

Only real problem so far is a fan vent switch thing behind the dash on the passenger side broke and makes a horrible clicking noise when I turn the A/C off. The noise stops after about 10 seconds, but I've got a warranty appointment with the dealer to get it fixed.

thoughts on the Volvo C30 T5-R? I saw one on the road the other day and the driver rolled down the window and told me he liked my fiesta ST

>>15757207
Great sound, good looks, comfy.
Not as practical as you might expect from a hatch, not as fast as you might expect from a turbo inline 5 and a huge turning circle for its size.

>>15757207
Doesn't feel sporty at all, doesn't give the right hotch hat feels. More of a comfy econobox with more power than usual. Compared to the GTI/FiST/etc it's a bit of a lolcantturn

>>15755984
I love these too but I have the ST already and can't justify two parties.

>>15755984
thing is the ST costs only a little more than the 1.0. Neat little engine though. It would be much less potent than a mazdaspeed though

>>15756146
I use some of their parts, what questions do you have?

>>15755986
Nice dude, looks real good. Congrats!

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Looking at a Nissan Juke SL AWD (we get snow here). What does /o/ think of those? The CVT can be a little weird sometimes,but the torque vectoring and computer controlled drive modes make up for the occasional hiccup, imo.

>>15757606
Sporty CUV, personally not a fan.

>>15757606
I think it's an SUV and not a hot hatch

Other than that, I think jukes are ugly but haven't driven one so I can't really give too much feedback

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I'll share. It's an econobox, but with a bit more get up and go.

>>15757609
>>15757618
They're classified as Crossovers, but if you've seen one up close, they're nowhere near as big as anything else in that class. They're only tall.

>>15757629
I have, they are just as big as a Rav4 or similar small SUV.

>>15757640
Not true, the RAV4 is almost 2 feet longer than the juke.

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>>15757629
It's basically a Renault Captur with a bodykit, which in turn is a lifted Clio.

>>15755984
why not just get a focus RS? have the mazdaspeed3 engine w/ AWD...

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here;s to hoping the new toyota (ex scion im) corolla IM is going to get a beefier engine and better suspension... so much potential. The interior is nice enough, why not give it the XRS engine and 6spd manual and upgrade the suspension? I'd buy that.

>>15757709
>why not just spend $40k on a car instead of a $12k used car

yeah I can't imagine why

>>15756232
Just got one of those in the same colour, was gonna swap a '97 chev s10 v6 and 5 speed transmission, as well as a rear wheel drive conversion and maybe a turbo, any thoughts on this?

>>15758436
Good luck. If the floor pans between the AWD and FWD Protege are different you're gonna have to make room for the drive shaft and you'll probably have to cut a new transmission tunnel anyway, not to mention suspension subframes and mounting hardware for, well, everything.

FWD to RWD conversions are a big job, and usually not worth it over just buying an RWD car.

Which hatch can take a tight corner the fastest without losing control or flipping?

>>15755984
I have the Renault Clio warm hatch because I couldn't afford the insurance of the Clio hothatch, and wanted something bigger than the Twingo hothatch (which has a the same engine as mine but 3 extra horsepower)

It's nice and peppy and will out-manuver most cars on the road

In your case I'm not sure if moving from an older hothatch to a new warmhatch would be good

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>>15756487
123 for the UK spec Zetec S

>>15756428
>>15756487
>>15757123

The 1.0L Ecoboost is rated at 121 peak bhp using 91+ octane premium gasoline; with regular it's probably at 105-110.

A good engine for the Fiesta, less so for the Focus; in Europe they want to put it in the Fusion, which I think is ridiculous.

>>15758826
BMW puts 3 cylinders in the base model 3 nowadays. Everything to hit that lowest emissions bracket for that sweet, sweet tax discount.

>>15758838
Doesn't matter now in the UK
From next year everything that isn't zero emissions is in the same tax band

>>15758862
The UK is just one market, though.

>>15758862
>"united" "kingdom"

>>15755984
Not a slam against the 1L Fiesta, or any tiny displacement hatch, but if a 123hp hatchback qualifies as a "warm hatch," what is a cold hatch? Seems like the bar should be set a bit higher to be considered warm.

>>15757718
I'd buy that too, I loved my matrix. I'd prefer it in awd too, but Toyota doesn't want me to have nice things.

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>>15759670
toyota wants no one to have nice things since the late 90s.

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The C2 VTS is a hot hatch?

>>15760256
VTS is like their version of GTI, so I'd say yes.

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>>15760261
Even the C4?

>>15760277
I find it weird that got VTS badges when its platform-mate the 307 never got a GTI version.

>>15760320
Just the trim name changed.
The same drivetrain was available in the 307 as "Féline 180"

>>15760441
Yeah, exactly. They didn't find it sporty enough to be called the "307 GTi" but apparently it was enough for a C4 VTS.

>>15760465
Peugeot knows it's shit.
I always find peugeots more sporty focused, while citroens more comfy.

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>>15760512
Citroën mastered comfy with hydropneumatic suspension.

Peugeot used to be the king of affordable funboxes once.

>>15760526
True.
Someday i will own an GTi-6 or a S16

>>15760576
Good luck. A friend of mine owned a 106 GTi, that thing was absolutely hilarious.
Then it died and he had to scrap it, but he bought a Clio RS 172 to replace it.

>>15759634
I'd say less than 120hp in a B-segment car is cold hatch. 160hp+ is hot hatch.

>>15760526
Aw I love that.

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They need to put the 1.5 turbo from the current Malibu in this. Make that twist beam rear step out all over the place.

>>15761053
>chebby
don't get your hopes up

>>15759634
Cold hatch has the base engine and stock look
Wanna be hot hatch has "sporty styling' but the base engine
Warm hatch has the most powerful engine below the hot hatch
We know what hot hatch is

>>15762250
I think he's saying 120 hp isn't very warm. A civic gets more than that

>>15762929
A Civic is a bigger car though.

>>15762935
a civic has a better power/weight ratio as well.

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What are some essential mods for a Mk4 GTI 1.8T?

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>>15764508
A sledgehammer and a chequebook.

>>15764508
It's called don't get a VW.

>>15764508
Engine swap and a shell swap

>>15764537
>>15764543
>>15764560
harsh

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mine is a hatchback too

>>15764612
if by hatchback you mean liftback

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>>15758341
Hello friendo.

>>15764778
why do people put anime stickers on their cars?

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>>15764783
Because I'm a weeb who lived in Japan for 3 years and I like to mix my hobbies.

>>15764508
Engine tune, downpipe, big ass turbo.

>>15755512

What's the fastest 0-60 hot hatch I can pick up for £10k or less? 2011 or newer.

>>15765073
Probably a MazdaSpeed3 or Focus ST, but I'm not as familiar with bongland's hatch market.

>>15765107

Would have to be a ST-1 for the Fiesta with a decent mileage - 6.9 seconds.

Mazdaspeeds are a bit too expensive here.

>>15765122
The Focus ST is quite a bit faster 0-60 than the Fiesta, but the Fiesta is probably better overall (especially at the end of the mod spectrum).

>>15765134

Can't afford the Focus and I'd prefer a smaller hatch anyway.

Just looking for little zippy hatch - £10k max but I don't mind saving some money!

But certainly will put the Fiesta on my list, thanks.

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>>15765157
If you want a mad fun, small hatch, give the Swift Sport a look.

>>15765176

>8.7

Bit slow, but I'll consider it at £7kish.

>>15765282
You might be able to find a 2012 VW GTI for under 10k, it can do about 6.5 seconds to 60 from what I've heard.

>>15765282
Maybe a Volvo C30 T5R or something?

>>15755524
Is the golf GTI viable in australia? Cost wise with repairs and tuning?

>>15765293

Unfortunately not, but thanks - I could afford up to £40k if I wanted, but I've always been like this with price limits.

>>15765295

>8.8

I'll add it to the list as it's £7k, but still a bit slow.

Liking the look of the Fiesta even more now - but appreciate any more input thanks guys.

>>15765073
Twingo RS

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>>15764778
Greetings fellow SVTfriend, yours is why I bought mine