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>>15745844
Fiesta so I can pass that minivan

I choose to open a window that auto-closes in 3 seconds.

Assuming prices are the same, BRZ. More fun.

The problem is that Fiesta STs sell for $19-20k OTD brand new. While a FRS/BRZ is closer to $26k unless you find a pre-refresh 2016 model. The BRZ isn't $6000 better.

Test driven both, bought the ST, but mainly because it was a much better deal. The BRZ actually feels faster even though it's slower, probably due to the added noise and seating position. Feels a lot sportier and "raw" in the clutch and shifter too. But on the other hand, BOOOOOOOOST.

Can't go wrong with either.

How do the seats compare?

>>15745844

Slower RWD over a tuned FWD any day.

Ripping the ebrake to drift a FWD gets old pretty quick. Sliding the rear around with power feels sexy.

>>15745895
The BRZ has pretty nice seats, but these Recaros are fucking god tier.

>>15745894
A fiesta st has as much boost as a toilet flushing

>>15745844
the toyobaru it has room for upgrade an look better in mt opinion

>>15745997
What are you implying? It has over 1 bar stock

>>15745844
Two many buttons and edges inside the ST

Focus RS, dat blue one

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>>15745844
I already did :^)

>>15745844
Besides practicality, the BRZ is better in almost every way. If power is your concern, slap a turbo kit on for an EZ 280whp, 350+ on E85.

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toyobaru

Can you daily drive either of these?
Downsides to commuter type driving?

>>15747644
that's a nice colour.

>>15747656
You can easily daily both of these

They aren't even impractical

>>15747201
No dealer is going to honor your warranty if you turbo your Toyobaru

Meanwhile, you can put a Mountune induction kit, cat-back, short shifter, and tune on a FiST and it won't effect warranty at all.

>>15747689

But does it do anything?

FWD or RWD
not a hard choice

>>15747689
>huur warranty approved forced induction kits arent a thing for the toyobaru but they are for the ford!
retard

>>15747781
wat

>fwd
>ever
cuck

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>>15747797

>>15747792
>you can put a Mountune induction kit, cat-back, short shifter, and tune on a FiST and it won't effect warranty at all

But does all that do anything?
It's like you said you can rice out a Fiesta and Ford won't care, is that because at the end of the day, tossing another grand plus at a new Fiesta has no effect?

>>15747689
False.

It's still possible to void your warranty in the US. All Ford has to prove is that it caused whatever you're trying to warranty to fail. If they have trouble doing that, depending on the dealer, they can ignore you or lead you on until you give up.

What montoune does is gives their own warranty, but it's not 0 miles when you install the part.

Say you install an engine Montoune part at 12k miles and it causes a failure to itself or other shit in the engine, and you need an entire new engine. Ford won't replace it because it's modded. Montoune will because it's below their 32k mileage warranty. If you were over that, they wouldn't.

It's basically transferring the factory warranty to montoune.

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>>15747812
>honda shit
roflmao

>>15747817
idk, do you want me to google it for you?

>>15747805
>a stripped out Civic with fucktons of aero and a turbo is faster than a decade old Mustang with only slightly more power and a girder for a rear axle
Well I sure am impressed now.

>>15747827
>his fag car beaten by a fwd civic
Top kuck

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>>15747843
>nsx faster than cuckvic
>mx5 faster than nsx
>mx5 faster than s2gay
roflamo honda btfo

>>15747834

Oh god.
>opinion based information

Let's try this again.
>>15747817
>you can put a Mountune induction kit, cat-back, short shifter, and tune on a FiST and it won't effect warranty at all
[Citation Needed]

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>>15747827
Go be gay somewhere else

>>15747852
>>15747871
Ahaha keep denying that miata is a fag lawn mower car.

>>15747871
>>15747852
>taking memetimes serious

who cares

>>15747853
Do you have an opinion?

>>15747853
https://performanceparts.ford.com/warranty/include/pdf/Select_Parts_Warranty_Statement_2015.pdf

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>>15747891
Shut up. No one cares about your gay as fuck car, end yourself

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>>15747871
*cough cough*

>>15747911
>s2000
lol, see >>15747852

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86 is shit on paper, stop trying to make comparisons to other cars, it wasn't made to break records. Toyota tried to replicate what Mazda did with the Miata in a slightly different form if that makes sense to you. It's cheap, quite practical, and relatively easy to maintain/modify. With a little bump in power it's a fun car to drive.

>None of this applies if you're one of those turbofaggots who wants to stance and bolt on Chinese RB fenders only to hardpark at a boba shop.

>>15747909

An opinion about what?
These are machines measured scientifically, better or worse, faster or slower dictated in black and white.
Aesthetically, who gives a shit what you or I think looks cooler.
Weight, power, drag, ride height, options, tires, spring rates, turning radius... even trunk capacity, interior space, seating height...
Info needed.

>>15747910

Thank you, sir.

Also,
>All these lap times...
Same driver equally familiar with each automobile, I assume?

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>>15747689
The edlebrock supercharger provides a 3 year powertrain warranty, and the kit is CARB legal. People are already making over 300hp on e85. 250rwhp is attainable, even with 91 octane.

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>>15747955
No problem (for the link). As for the lap times, I believe they are user submitted and edited, and aren't always accurate, however, they are a general indication of the vehicles relative performance. Take them with a grain of salt.

>>15747928
>posting an old s2000
>instead if type v
>posts new gayiata
Lmao faggots btfo>>15747911

>>15747955
>Info needed.
You know how to use the internet? Or do you simply assume the information given to you by random strangers on a korean cartoon entusiast forum would be correct?

>>15745844

The one with ECOBOOST™

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>>15747644
Wtf is that

>>15747979
>chrome tipped exhaust
Why not stainless?
>1.6L ecoboost
Can it be punched out to 2.0? Is it the same as the Focus otherwise?
>6 speed manual transmission
Whose transmission?
>ST sport suspension
Who makes these?
>AdvanceTrac Stability control
Can that be completely disabled?
The traction control on my SVTF was garbage I ended up disconnecting the ABS sensors because even when it was turned off it was still on.

>>15748156

That face is obviously regarding her penis or lack thereof.

>>15748184
>not your personal shopper

>>15748184
The 1.6 is good enough, traction control can be turned off but torque vectoring can not be.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHnsFQeCnb4

>>15747644
>toyobaru

Why not Subyota?

>>15745844
That's as easy as choosing between a Ford F150 and a Honda Fit. They have so little in common, there's no use in comparing them. If you're living in a city where parking spaces are few and small and you're using your vehicle solely for getting groceries, you won't take the pickup over the compact car because it has 4x4 and can haul more. Inversely if you're living out in the country and need to haul heavy loads, you're not getting the compact car over the pickup because it's easier to park and doesn't pollute the air as much.

The same goes for the BRZ and the Fiesta, if you want to go from A to B on a highway and in traffic, you get the Fiesta, if you want to go from A to B via C and D because of twisty backroad detours, you get the BRZ.

You need to ask yourself a simple question, are you the kind of person that wants to be able to beat soccermoms in minivans in a short dragrace at a red light on your way to work with 3 co-workers in the car, or are you the kind of person that enjoys having the rear end kick out while you're driving alone on a mountain road on a lazy sunday without going anywhere in particular, driving for driving's sake?

I know I'd take the BRZ.

Toyabru any day, any month, any year.

I've driven a Fiesta and they're not that great, not to mention that they look kind of retarded. Just get a fucking mustang if you're going to get something from Ferd.

>>15748156
Black Travis Touchdown?

>>15747977
>supercharging a 4 banger
wew lad

>>15749486
>the rear end kicks out, its the better car

When will this end?

>>15749557
Kill yourself.

>>15745997
That's a big toilet.

>>15749602
For you.

>>15745844

Is the Fiesta a Zetec?
Basically a boosted MK1 Focus?

BRZ, because at the end of the day, it's a sports car while the fiesta is a children-moving-appliance

i hate the frs but i drive a speed3 so if i had to choose between the to as a downgrade, id go the frs this time around and probably SC it.

>>15747656
I bought the Fiesta ST specifically because it was a perfect daily driver. The only thing you lose compared to a normal Fiesta is a tiny bit of trunk space. (Because of the full-size spare.)

I thought about an FR-S/BRZ but having four doors and a hatch makes a big difference.

>>15749746

Any ridiculous maintenance schedules?
The other night there was a GTR thread where owners pay like $2,000 for an oil change every 3k miles.

>>15747823
That's literally completely untrue.

Ford will install any warranty valid Mountune kit for you, even from factory if you want to order a FiST/FoST with one.

They have a number of parts from Mountune listed that will not affect warranty in any way AND Ford will stand behind if failure occurs. This is only for some kits from Mountune, not their super top end 300+whp stuff.

If you're going to talk out your ass, you might want to consider disabling your trip first so people don't start to associate you with complete idiocy.

>>15749746
Also, just to add to this -

I think people around here look at the ST the wrong way. A FWD hot hatch isn't supposed to be a hardcore sports car for somebody who only wants performance. It's a compromise car for people who need something efficient and practical, but want something that's not a boring econobox. The ST does a great job of being that kind of car. I can commute to work, pick up stuff from the hardware store or our parts suppliers in it, take 3 coworkers to lunch in it, and then I can decide to hit the local canyon after work and keep up with the "real" performance cars. That's what makes it awesome.

>>15749763
Nah, nothing unusual at all. It doesn't even require full synthetic, oil changes at the Ford dealer cost the same as a normal Fiesta or whatever.

The only maintenance annoyance is that it goes through brake pads pretty quickly, like a set every 8k if you do a lot of canyons and stuff, but they're also dirt cheap at the dealer.

>>15749789

What's up with that? Slotted rotors or too small or something?

>>15749810
Not sure. I think it might have something to do with the car using the brakes for torque vectoring, but I've never really been able to make sense of it. Maybe the pad compound is just garbage.

I haven't done pads in like a year because I haven't been canyoning/tracking lately, and last time I did them the aftermarket was pretty lacking. There's stuff out now but I haven't tried it yet, maybe better pads will help.

>>15745844

I have both actually. The Fiesta is a better daily driver, faster, and the recaros are the best seats ever if you aren't a fat fuck.

>>15749836
I don't get why people whine about the Recaros so much, unless they sat in brand new ones that haven't broken in yet. I'm a fat fuck and I absolutely love them.

>>15749825

Probably the torque vectoring now that you mention it... How is that? Is it nice or a nuisance?
What does it do and when do you notice it?

>>15749844
well im a skinny dood and i fit perfectly in them.

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>>15749836
Pic realted

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>>15749836
I've driven both. What makes you say the fiesta is better for daily driving aside from the extra cargo space?

>>15749557
ff cuck detected

>>15749958
I actually like the driving position better, smoother clutch engagement, slicker shifter, much nicer infotainment with sync 3, more useable power around town, recaros are GOAT. Added bonus: no one notices you at stop lights so no annoying mustang and camaro drivers with something to prove.

>>15749958
fwd is better for daily driving.

>>15745852
this is wrong the fiesta st has 197 bhp

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>>15747199
the BRZ is 10 times better looking. everytime i see frs i always think man that dude should have bought a brz
>mfw i work at subaru

>>15749958
fwd is better for economy and cabin space, two traits you want in a daily driven shitbox

>>15750691
It has 197bhp during "overboost" which lasts about 20 seconds. After that it goes down to 180.

197 is advertised in America, but 180 is advertised in Europe.

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Could've just said Cars.com

Interesting info comparing the Fiesta St to the Focus SVT...