What went wrong?

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>>15742589

form over function

coming into the market too late with a true sports car (fiat 124 abarth) which is LITERALLY a miata, down to the key fobs they use being identical

all in all a spineless megaconglomerate with no direction

>>15742590
no

>>15742589
FIX
IO
AEPAIR
TAILY

>>15742589
Tony quit

>>15742589
Sergio tried to make it a premium brand after the success of the 500 and forgot that its bestselling car was the Punto, which has been beaten by newer rivals in the last 8 years. Fiat still doesn't have a replacement for the current Punto, which came out 11 years ago.

they stopped making the multipla

>great diesel engines
>great petrol engines
>nice build quality/finish nowadays (just read reviews before spewing 80s memes)
>not overpriced through the roof like its german and japanese rivals
>bestest design

Nothing went wrong.

>>15743702
The Punto still sells well, despiste being 11 years old (the Evo and the last Punto restyle did refresh it though). It still looks fresh for a 11 year old car, imo.


New Punto petrol engines will range from 80hp to 170hp and diesel engines will range from 95hp to 140hp.
An Abarth version will come in 2020.


Anyways, the Panda and the 500 are still best sellers and the 500X is one of the best sellers in the CUV segment.

>>15743845
Stop responding to bait you tard. This thread was made specifically to get your attention.

Now report it and hide it.

>>15743845
the summoning worked

>>15742589
Germany got butthurt with the VW emmisions thing

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>>15743702
This. Their strong side were not only city cars but also family cars. THere is no kompact kombi since Stilo! The good thing is that they woke up and made new Tipo, but there's a problem you have to wait very long for the sedan, and they haven't started selling hatchbacks and kombis yet.

Simply wrong marketing. As i already said here in another thread, Fiat has always made great cars, and also does now, but, doesn't pay attention to stupid details that most of the people look at, like interior materials, for example.
Let me explain: Fiat engines (diesel at most) are some of the best in the world, and to understand that, you just have to compare those to TDI engines, that VW puts in Audi, VW, Skoda and Seat, but VW group cars, are made with better interior materials, have full led lights and stuff like that, and those things are great, but would you prefer your car to do 400.000km without serious problems or to drive a car with some comforts in it, but that has engine problem?

I know Fiat had (and have) some little problems due to the electronic parts, but trust me, those are nothing compared with mechanical problems of VW cars group.
Also, people does prefer to have and Audi, just because it's a "status symbol", than a Fiat.

>>15744325
I've already seen both 4dr and hatchbacks on the road.
The SWs are not yet being sold though.

Btw, don't forget the Croma, they were basically Bravo wagons.

>>15743845
YOU ARE SO FUCKING RIGHT

>>15744360
Pretty much this.
Fiat has never ever made an unreliable engine and they're on the vanguard of diesel and petrol technology.
They also have always made sporty handling cars... Hell, even the Multipla drove nice.
It's just a shame they don't market them well except for the 500 brand.
You still see Fiats by the fuckload tho, especially Puntos and Pandas, apart from the 500.
Some Bravos too.

>>15743212
underrated

>>15742589
The problem is that FCA is also known to be seeking a buyer. Their main asset to a buyer is the network of dealers and distributors. However, you have all those workers with their high pay, company pension plans, 401K expenses, medical benefits, employee benefits, and corporate management employment plans/parachutes. So it's no wonder that a competitor doesn't want to buy all those debts. It's better to have FCA go bankrupt and then buy up the pieces without any obligation to maintain 401K and pensions. Bush senior allowed changes to the laws protecting company pensions, so those can be leveraged. Sure, the employees are then creditors, but they are last in line for their 401K pensions. Institutions, instruments, and other corporations are ahead in line of the individual creditors.

>>15742589
Everything.

>>15743212
kek!

>>15743845
STAND BACK EVERYONE

THE DIESEL KEKBOY HAS ARRIVED

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>>15744362
have some OC, i made it just for you alberto

Ugly logo

>>15744857
kek dieselboy absolutely and irreversibly BTFO
saved

>>15744857
Just gonna throw my 2 cents. Fiat has never been great in US. On the other hand Fiat has managed to make some nice cars in Europe, Tipo is really cool...

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nothing 2bh, they're the best manufacturer because they make cars for everyone
from soccer moms to enthusiasts, they have something for everyone.

>>15742589
FIX IT AGAIN TONY

>>15742589
The tripfaggot.

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>cutting American development of the CUSW/PF platform in favor of SUVs when all you have to do is lift an Ottimo hatchback and give it 4wd

Marccione is a fucking moron.
They could have named it for the Eagle SX/4.

>>15744877
>from soccer moms to enthusiasts
>to enthusiasts

which ones exactly?
and rebranded miata doesn't really count since it's made by mazda anyway

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>>15744982
Giulia, 124, 500 (695), Abarths in general

>>15744857
mjet BTFO!
FIAT BLOWNTHEFUCKOUT!

HOW WILL HE EVER RECOVER?!

>>15743212
My sides

>>15744729
>Sure, the employees are then creditors, but they are last in line for their 401K pensions.
Is that how it works in the US? The employees are the first in line for money when a company goes bankrupt in Italy.

>>15745200
It can be even worse. When Detroit city went bankrupt, creditors were able to attach the pension funds. Ho ho ho. That means even some past pension payments already given to recipients had to be returned. Ho ho ho. The creditors demand a certain date and negotiate with the courts. Obviously, the further back in time the creditors can set the date, the more money they will receive since the pensioners have to return funds PLUS INTEREST of all payments they received after that date.

Example partial quote: "...It’s a bitter outcome of Detroit’s record $18 billion municipal bankruptcy for David Espie, 58, who will repay the city $75,000 in a lump sum...."

>>15743212
God bless my mechanic grand father for telling me what fiat stood for before they reappeared in the US

>>15742589
it was never right in the first place
they should have just stuck to making third world buzz boxes

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>>15744857
BTFO! How will !mjet EVER recover?

>>15744870
>Fiat has managed to make some nice cars in Europe

Maybe in comparison to other Euro-only cars, which are complete fucking shit lmao

>>15744857
butthurt

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>>15742589

>>15746686
YIFF IN HELL FURFAG

>>15746681
I think you accidentally forgot your trip, mjet

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>>15743845

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>>15744857
>FIAT BTFO 4x
mjet's prolly assblasted right now.

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>>15744325
Why was the Stilo so ugly and un-Italian? It should've looked like pic related.

>italians
nothing went wrong, Fiat was always shit.

>>15748326
what a sad guy

>>15749676
>mjet getting BTFO so hard he's posting without Trip

lel

>>15749699
jej he's known to do that

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>>15749617
the 3 door was nice

>>15749699
>>15749710
>implying I post without a trip
:)

>>15749699
>>15749710
>>15749676
samefag :-DDD

mjet always says he doens't post without trip

>>15742589
being italian.

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>>15749728
I don't.
Shouldn't you be flipping burgers, or something?

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>>15749738
post proofs

>>15749738
what
nigga i was defending you

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>>15749728

>>15749755
Thought you were being sarcastic. My bad.
<3

>>15749748
Even if I post proof, you fags will say I just posted with a different IP or whatevs.

>>15749766
we just like to laugh at you and your shitbox.

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>>15749759
ebin edit :-DDDD

>>15749773
Tired of laughing at yourself and your shitbox?

>>15742589
Italians making cars. How could it even go right?

>>15742589
literally boring shitboxes besides Alfa and Ferrari

>>15749775
you tried

>>15749778
it has more than 4 cylinders and isn't a diesel, so I'm happy with it.

>>15749864
>doesn't even mention what car it is

>>15750542
>this bitchmad that Mercedes did what Fiat does but better

>>15743845
>new fiat 500
>every single fucking one i see on the streets has either a light out or some other electrical problem
>my pizza delivery guy had to replace the autotrans three times on it already under warranty
maximum quality guys!

Fucking
Italian
Auto is
Trash

>>15750791
>anecdotal evidence
Every 500 I see doesn't have a single light out, they must be the most reliable cars ever, amirite?

>>15750832
>le anecdotal evidence meem
good job m8 :--DD

>>15742596
id buy an 124 Spider Abarth any day over a Miata, they look better and every fuckboi stanced dirtbag already drives a Miata.

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>>15750832
dis nigga like dat kid at the playground always inventing some new shit so he don't lose the game except erryone knows he's already out but him baka lmao

Faggot
Italians
Attempt
Transport

>>15750687
>Mercedes did what Fiat does but better
Kill Chrysler?

>>15751108
My family has worked for Chrysler for a combined 58 years
Yes, Mercedes had the majority killshot

>>15750687
>he actually thinks Fiat killed anything
>what is Abarth being reborn as a performance dedicated sub-brand
>what is Alfa finally getting cars worth its emblem after all these years

And if you wanna talk shit about Lancia, just remember Lancia produced its best cars under Fiat's leadership.

>implying I care about what happens with Chrysler
lmao
Fiat would be better off just selling Chrysler. If they're going through an hardship its because of Chrysler and nothing else.

are fiat fanbois all this deluded or is mjet some kind of special tard?

>>15751164
>hurr you're deluded
>doesn't provide any kinda of counterargument
Nice one, babby.

Fiat,
It's
All
Trash

>>15751155
>>he actually thinks Fiat killed anything
>implying i wasn't talking about
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FYttMIdUmA

>>what is Abarth being reborn as a performance dedicated sub-brand
>thinks anything produced by FIAT could be considered performance.

>>what is Alfa finally getting cars worth its emblem after all these years
>implying the golden years of Alfa wasn't before fiat took them in 1986

Chrysler wasn't even on my mind lmao.

>>15751164
both. He's too poor to afford anything so he tries as hard as can be to rationalize his shitbox.

>>15751155
>F-FIAT KILLED NOTHING NO PROOF
Forgetting about the snek?
>FIAT WAS BEST FOR LANCIA
Beta? Gamma? These were pillars of build quality to you?
Also, obligatory
>DIESEL FIAT

>>15751164
buyers remorse, I think.

>>15751127
not Mercedes' fault Chrysler designers are fucking retarded. Daimler Chrysler Mercs are by far the worst Mercs out there.

>>15751177
>Delta
>037

>>15751178
>implying I bought it

>>15751176
>that video
So?
Mercedes diesels are great. I should know. I have one in my home.
What does that have to do with anything I said?

>>15751185
I don't think you understand, Mercedes owned 92% of Chrysler at the merge, therefore anything after that is the fault of "murk"

>>15751193
>Mercedes diesels are great
Yes, always superior to shitbox italian sewing machines as per my original factual statement.

>>15751200
You clearly have no idea what you're talking about do you?
Fiat diesels are one of the best.

What Mercedes do you have, then?

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>>15751209
>Fiat diesels are one of the best.
>he actually believes this

>>15749864
not mjet, but have you ever driven a fiat diesel ?The 1.9 JTD is one of the best Diesels there is, especially in an Alfa. Pulls like a motherfucker and is rock solid. It's used in Saabs, Cadillacs, Opels, Suzukis.

>>15751193
The 037 was a build rally car, chances are it will rust after half a years DD.
The Delta was problematic, rusted in the sills often, and it only spread from there.
If we're going that route, Mazda was the best thing for Ford, they build the GT during the partnership.

>>15751223
Hi mjet

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>>15751223
>not mjet
Ignoring that 1.9l is leukemia-tier displacement, compared to Mercedes engines that have, with documentation, traveled over a million miles.
Fiat is shit.

https://highmileclub.wordpress.com/tag/mercedes/

>>15751219
>being this ignorant
>moving goalposts
Still waiting for an answer. While you're thinking go google about multijets and cry yourself to tears while you read about the awards and the rock solid reliability plus the massive amount of brands that use them.


>>15751234
Never said they were perfect. But they were the Lancia greatest hits. Those and the Fulvia, too.

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>>15751223
>not mjet, but

>>15751209
>>15751200
Seriously? A Merc Diesel's a retirement home compared to a Fiat Diesel.

>>15751251
>>15751242
KEK DOUBTMIND

>>15751257
>Seriously? A Merc Diesel's a retirement home compared to a Fiat Diesel.
What the actual fuck are you talking about I don't think it's even possible for Mercedes to make a diesel that's anything less than a Fiat at this point. They've probably perfected it by now.

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>>15751242
>>15751246
>>15751251
Kinda getting tired of this, desu.

>>15751248
I'm not claiming anything is perfect, but there is no way to determine Fiat's interference into Lancia. If my cat shits, and I own the cat, is it my shit?

>>15751272
it would take me less than 3 minutes to scrub a (you) in ms paint and you are know for dumping your trip to post in defense of yourself.

>>15751246
> 1.9l is leukemia-tier displacement
If you're from America, sure, but 1.9l is almost considered high displacement in Europe, where I live. And if it drives better than a higher displacement diesel, I'll take the lower displacement one every day.

>>15751194
and Chryslers american designers

>>15751246
>>15751251
so is it square or X now

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>>15751286
>1.9l is almost considered high displacement in Europe

>>15751286
>but 1.9l is almost considered high displacement in Europe
Oh, the place where cars are being legislated into non-existence? So why should anyone care what Europe is doing?
Shit my bike probably makes the same power from 1 liter without forced induction while being older than you.

>>15751300
Can't derail with a console war tbqh

>>15751300
Nintendurr best cuntsole

>>15751283
lol ok

>>15751270
Except the 3.0 on my mom's estate is less refined than the teeny tiny 1.3 on my car.
lol

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>>15751322
>his mom's car has almost three times the displacement of his car
MY SIDES!

>>15751312
I don't give a single fuck about how much the cars are legislated and how much power they make, as long as they are still fun to drive.

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>>15751322
lmao left some evidence 4 u noob

>>15751330
Soooo? It's a heavy estate and she does a lot of motorway.

>>15751334
>fun to drive
m8
It's like when a kid who doesn't know how to have fun says that he's having fun.

>>15751343
My car is a lot more fun to drive than my mom's estate, except on the motorway.
You don't need huge displacement for it to be fun.
Fucking benchracers, I swear.

>>15751343
Oh man, have you ever considered that fun is purely subjective.
>>15751351
ITT Americans and muh no replacement for displacement.

>>15751351
>My car is a lot more fun to drive than my mom's estate,
No shit, but they're both modern shitboxes.
a fuckin 1922 Bugatti Type 13 will probably give you an aneurysm.

>You don't need huge displacement for it to be fun.

Displacement is like a fun enhancer.
You could be a faggot with a shitty italian diesel or the next kid on the block with a fuckin Yugo with 455 Olds sitting where the back seats should be

>>15751360
You could at least try and post in a slightly different style, mjet.

>>15745006
>Giulia
>GIULIA

We're talking fiat, not FCA.

>>15751368
Sure, higher displacement can enhance fun, but so can forced induction. But here in Europe we're practically forced to use cars with force induction(no pun).

>>15751360

kill yourself

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>>15751390
>but so can forced induction
Yuros this dumb they don't realize you can turbo a V8 if you wanted to.

>But here in Europe we're practically forced to use cars with force induction(no pun).
This is why we make jokes about you.

>>15751368
>No shit, but they're both modern shitboxes.
They are. Except you can't push a 3.0d like you push a smaller engine on a tight backroad.
Last week I did a 400km trip through the mountains on my car and it was incredible. Always flooring the shit out of it, screeching the tyres when I could. It's the small things that make a car fun.

If I had done it on my mom's estate I'd probably be bored to death despite having 540Nm because I couldn't push it like i did on my car.

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>>15751341

Nigga wtf is motorway

Your mom gives her hektik into the corners at the track ?

>>15751403
If you could read back what you were thinking about typing you would understand that you just told me your little litterbox of a car can be WOT and on mountain roads and still not make enough power to be lethal.
>inb4 toegay
A proper V8 RWD would and is a blast to drive on curvy mountain roads. Too bad you'll never know it.

>>15751401
SHART IN THE MART

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>>15751437
>literally crying
America wins again
USA USA USA USA USA USA USA

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>>15751401

We all know why you add more power, the alternative is impossible for you.

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>>15751457
>America wins again
Diversity* wins again

>>15751421
>A proper V8 RWD would and is a blast to drive on curvy mountain roads.
Not saying it isn't.
And any car can be lethal on a mountain road if you can't drive.
And I'm not talking about american mountain roads, I'm talking about mountain roads that were used in the rally of Portugal.

>>15751476
>t. lives next door to ahmed and noor and their six inbred hellspawn

>>15742589
I don't know yet, I haven't entered mine today, I'm scared.

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>>15751472
Pigfat Hemi Cuda, literally 3900 pounds and a 3 speed automatic can still run 11 seconds on a 1/4 mile.
>but it can't turn
lmao wrong, nice meme though, it was harder to keep massive boat anchor V8s on a straight line then it was to turn them.
Regardless, weight reduction is gayspeak for not allowed to have bigger engines.

>>15751476
A yuro would know, pic related.

>>15751491
Sounds like you know your car is shit but you're still crying about how you actually bought it. The sooner you admit your mistake the sooner you can ditch it for a nice car.

>>15751508
>>15751518
>amerishartfats triggered

>>15751491
I'm guessing you aren't going to reply to >>15744857 you fucking faggot

>>15751518
Having an unstable car doesn't mean that you can turn, it means that your car handles like sit

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>>15751535
>so BTFO!!! he can't even manage one fact
lmao

>>15751558
>it means that your car handles like sit
Typical of modern cars with massive braking distances from ABS and traction control that fights your clutch.

>>15751518
It's not about the v8 not being fun or anything, sure it's fun. But you can also have fun with a 4 banger Diesel maybe not as much in certain conditions, but even more fun in others. Compared to America, we're indeed cucked in relation to car legislation, like america's cucked in healthcare, crime etc. But we try to make the best of it.

>>15751608
>america's cucked in healthcare

Fuck off you socialist cuck

The health care is perfect in every way as it keeps yuropoors and niggers starving to death, thus keeping the genetic pool clean

>>15751650
this 2bh
it's just nature

>>15751650
>socialist
>yuropoor
wew lad. Have fun paying tens of thousands of $ for your hospital visit and having half the GDP of my country.

>>15751696
Well i have a job so i get insurance from that.

>>15751696
enjoy driving your 1.1l econocuckbox """""car""""" while paying for jamal's cancer treatment

yuropeon

>>15751706
This is going nowhere, let's get back to talking about cars.

>>15751737
>let's get back to talking about cars.
But we never were talking about cars. This was a bait/bully mjet thread from the beginning.

>Fiat
>Can't design their own 2door small roadster
>Have to beg Mazda to make one for them
>"B..but we'll try the styling..."
>Ends up to be ugly as fuck compared to the MX5

Fiat, everybody

>>15751859
don't forget
>heavier
>slower
>turbo somehow simultaneously laggy and no top end
>had to use NC's tranny

>>15743845
Fiat and their fuccbois Chrysler still end up dead last in reliability rankings.