An an EV driver, I seriously can't take ICE cars seriously

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Smug alert

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>>15709921

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>>15709921
>what's the point
Indeed. What's the point of electric vehicles?

No, because my ICE car is still more energy efficient than your slot car.

what car do you have?

im planning to buy an EV car in like 5 years, once the technology proved itself to be reliable

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>tesla btfo by a 10k shitbox
No recovery possible at this point

>>15710556

It's not in self appreciation, though. It really does seem like dead technology.

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>>15710570
>dead
Just like the model s's battery as it attempts to beat an suv around a track

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kek, can't make this shit up

>inb4 price range
The roadster costs as much as a nismo.

>>15710560

They run on electricity.

>>15710561

I doubt that.

>>15710573
kek

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>>15710577
>29.4 seconds to 150 mph
>gets destroyed around a track by a mustang with the worst suspension system on the planet too
>100k cheaper
Defend this tesla fags

>P85D
>700 PS
Fuck off, Musk

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>>15710577
with how inefficient the national grid is, it would not shock me. in my opinion i think people should drive cars they like not because they have some wankery feature.

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Atleast tesla tried

>>15710577

>energy density of gasoline - 46.4 MJ/Kg
>energy density of typical power cell - 2.5MJ/Kg

Fuck your glorified mobility scooter, phaggot

>>15710562

A Chevy Volt. It's been 100% reliable so far. It cost less than half of its original price.

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>>15710596
>electric
kek

>>15710567
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>>15710597

But those run on gas.

>>15710596
>volt
>ev
Pick one you gas cuck hahaha

>>15710597
>car designed for handling over speed and lightweight over comfort
>versus a car designed for straight line speed and comfort

Fggt

>>15710587

I like electric cars.

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>>15710609
See
>>15710567
Keep up the damage control

>>15710606
a volt is a good car, im not him but you really aught to know that you sound like a prick.

>>15710606

I pick both. It's fully electric for an estimated 38 miles.

>>15710611
Oh i get it now. You're one of those special needs kids that makes inaccurate comparisons just to "troll" logical people, then you claim victory and throw out "damage control" when you are called out.
>i was only pretending to be retarded
In this case, there is no pretending, Just genuine retardation.

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>>15710628
>gets btfo
>b-b-b-but
Tesla fags everyone...

>>15710633
Funny how you left out the 0-60 and 1/4 mile times in those pics.
>honda btfo
>mitsubishi btfo
>radical>you

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>>15710638
Drag racing has a board dude. >>>/lgbt/

>>15710642
Nice damage control
Stay btfo'd

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>>15710647
>this assmad you've been BTFO
Kek

i like alphonse when he cucks ev fags but ecoboost meme is getting tiring.

>>15710611

It is a fair argument. There are races in which a Tesla could beat almost any other production car. One such race would be a race from 0 to 60 mph.

>>15710649
Denial is the first step to btfo acceptance.
Try submitting to a higher power.
It will ease your anal-suffering.

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>>15710656
>cuck is projecting already
kek, stay BTFO

>>15710658
Neglecting your sphincter burn has the potentital to turn into a full blown anal-epidemic.
Talk to your doctor today about the risks of ignoring btfo induced pooper-pain.

>>15710667
nigga just sayin but you don't know how to shitpost

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>>15710667
>projecting again
Kek

>>15710674
So why is the Type R slower than the Tesla 0-60 and in the 1/4 mile?

>>15710604
How is electricity generated?

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>>15710679
See
>>15710642

>>15710687
Sounds like someone's butthurt

>>15710684
look m8 i hate tesla too but chances are the electricity you're getting is from a clean source unless you live in China.

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>>15710690
>literally btfo this hard
Kek

Tesla can't compete with 10k shitboxes

>>15709921
If you are actually not b8ing, how do you live with long recharge time? Sometimes i need to do up to 1200km a day. I cant do that in EV. Until they can recharge as fast as you can put fuel in ICE car they are worthless for people like me. Lets face it, they are shoping cars for soccer moms and people who think they make a difference. Reality is they dont. One factory in china will damage earth more than me driving my whole life.

>>15710697
But its faster than almost any other production car on the planet.
How fast does the Civic run the 1/4 mile?
You can hide behind your korean child porn all day, but you cant hide from the fact that a pigfat american electric car can out run just about anything else including your meme honda.

>>15710702
Just because someone doesn't do 1200 km a day doesn't make them a soccer mum driving 5 kays to the shops and back. That's fucking ridiculous.

Some of us enjoy driving so don't choose to do it for a living to kill the joy

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>>15710713
>literally lost around a track to a 10k shitbox
>ultimate damage control

>>15710693
"Clean" is an extremely relative term in this case and it depends a lot on where you live

>>15709921
Electric cars were considered outdated technology back in the 1920s when gas started taking over. There's nothing new about electric cars.

>>15710714
Thats like saying i dont need to buy car with more than 50 hp because 130 kph is the limit so whats the point. What if you go 250 kms in one direction, you reach point of no return and youre fucked. I dont need that. EVs are only for LA soccer moms and thats the truth

Also Im not driving for living. My company is working on few different contracts so sometimes i need to travel a lot.

>>15710720
>honda sports car
>loses a drag race to a four door american landbarge powered by electricity
Bee
Tea
Eff
Owe

>>15710721
Unless you live in assfuck Wisconsin, your electricity is from a clean source.
any coal plants in the US are regulated to be very clean anyway.

>>15710725
Battery technology has come a long way since then though

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>>15710729
>slower around a track
Absolutely BTFO

>>15710735
>slower at a drag strip
Absolutely BTFO

>>15710733
so has ICE you fucking dumbass just delete this thread

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>>15710738
>tesla still slower where it matters

>>15710744
Because the majority of street driving is just like a road course.
Stay cucked lil hondaboy

>>15710742
Nowhere near as much as batteries.
I didn't make this thread

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>>15710750
>tesla literally cannot compete with a 10k shitbox

>>15710757
Unless its in the most common kind of race on the planet.
Tesla beats the civic where it matters.

>>15709921
>no ecoboost

D
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>>15710767
that is a brand name you fucking retard

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>>15710773

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>>15710762
>tesla literally btfo by a civic
Kek

>>15709921

Do people realize that they are not actually doing much to save the environment by buying hybrid or electric cars?

Think about it. The people who designed the cars probably drove to work in a gas powered car. The people who mine and refine the raw materials to make the car use gas and diesel equipment. The trucks used to deliver the materials to the factory use diesel. The trucks used to deliver the cars to the dealer use diesel. The trucks used to deliver the parts to build the charging stations use gas or diesel. The people who service the charging stations probably drive gas or diesel trucks.

Energy can not be created or destroyed, it is only transferred. Whatever energy you think conserve in your electric car has already been used in one way or another.

>>15710817
If you take the production out of the equation a prius(for example) uses gas more efficiently than most other non-hybrid cars. So in the long run since they both run on gas it would be better to Prius.

However unless you get really expensive hybrids like the 918. no sane person should ever get a fucking hybrid. They ruin everything about driving.

Full electric cars are worse in my opinion since they need to get power from plants creating more demand on the power grid of already over demanded powers grids. So they build more plants and pollute more.

>>15710732
>coal
>clean
pick one fag

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>>15710732
>mfw I live in Sheboygan, wi
>mfw my power plant imports clean burning coal from Wyoming
fuck right off idiot

>>15710865
learn about carbon collectors fag

http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2015/apr/16/how-to-efficiently-capture-carbon-dioxide-out-of-thin-air

>>15710865
It can be.
There's plenty of exhaust gas cleaning systems out there now. "Scrubbers" as they call them I suppose

>>15710638
How about the 100-150 times

>>15710875
>>15710893
>acid rain

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>>15709921
batteries and motors are literally more outdated than otto and diesel cycle internal combustion engines

>>15710693
a good majority of the power in my state is fossil fuels
it is all natural gas though

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This is the future.

>EV

No thanks.

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>>15709921

Did you think about manufacturing effects before you posted this? Battries are toxic as hell, THEY HAVE ACID THAT BURNS YOU! Until EV can sound ae good as a V8 I will never own one. I don't want to go down the road and hear a slight hum, I want to hear my vehicle roar with the power of fossil fuels :^)

>>15711182
IMA TELL YA ANYWAY

>>15710693
mine is defiantly coal because the power plant is in the same town as me

>>15709921
>he fell for the meme
>feels smug and educated
>is a dumbass falling for consumerist marketing
K E K
E
K

>>15711201
>Did you think about manufacturing effects before you posted this? Battries are toxic as hell, THEY HAVE ACID THAT BURNS YOU!
Not fag op but so are normal car batteries

>>15710561
nein

what is thermal efficiency ?

>>15710693
>electricity you're getting is from a clean source

But muh salmons!

>>15709921
Evs are just as old and we chose no to use then in the beginning.

>>15711201
>>15711240
Electric cars use lithium batteries you morons. Which still fucks a lot of shit up to mine.

>>15710560
I didn't realize how much Tesla's weigh. I know batteries are heavy but that's pretty significant. At least the weight about as low as you can get for a great center of gravity.

>>15710872
>clean burning coal
No such thing. I once talked to someone in one of these "clean coal" plants. He says the term is a marketing ploy.

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>News Flash:

ELECTRIC CARS EXISTED BEFORE THE FIRST INTERNAL COMBUSTION WAS BUILT.

Who's outdated now?

Not to mention how super-inefficient EVs are ( burning coal lol then transporting it across the country with corona discharge losses at every pole).

>>15710684

Mine is from the sun.

>>15710702
>how do you live with long recharge time?

I don't go past 38 miles on most days. On days when I need to go more, I use gas. I plan on getting a Bolt in the near future and I have already planned all of my charging station stops. I live in California and they are plentiful in every direction from my home. I realize I will need to give myself more time so I am not in a rush, but I'm okay with that.

>>15710817

I think they are better in the long term.

>>15712208

The Chevy Bolt is going to weigh 3,580 pounds, which I think is fairly light for a 200 mile EV of its size.

>>15712366

I think EVs are more efficient than gas cars.

>>15710693
Most of Americas electrical grid runs on coal or natural gas.

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>>15710750

Nigga where the fuck do you live where the roads are like a drag strip

Look guys, OP is a faggot as usual, but "hurr durr lap times" is a retarded argument. Literally a third TOPS of /o/ even tracks and even those who do will probably NEVER get to record times.

And this is a car board.

99% of the world won't even give a shit.

So ICE can be defended on range or tradition or anything else, but 'HA AN ELECTRIC 4 DOOR SEDAN GOT BEAT BY A MUSTANG" should be pretty obviously discreditable.

>>15713985
When tesla fanboys stop touting them as a "performance car" then they won't be compared to actual performance cars in actual perforce situations
Until then stfu

>>15714010

Acceleration performance is performance.

>pure ev
Please. Generator based electrical vehicles are the future. There is a reason trains use a generator since it's more efficient to produce on-board power than it is plugging into a power gird that has over a 20% transmission loss.

>>15714055
Beijing slower than a 90s fwd Honda past 80mph isn't performance anon
And only being able to do a couple 0-60 runs before needing to recharge isn't performance either

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>>15709921
>be me
>go to /o/
>see dumb thread
>intrigued anyways
>click
>ctrl-f
>"oil"
>no return

I hate to break it to you and shatter your smug, uneducated reality. There is no escaping oil. Why? Because that's just the way the world works, bruh.

Every raw material that goes into an electric car was provided by machines that were made with and run on oil and derivatives of. What's even more ironic is that the materials used for the batteries requires a fuck ton of energy to strip mine the raw stuff out of the ground (essentially destroying whatever ecosystem it is removed from) where it is then shipped on a giant oil/gas loving ship that sails all the way to Asia where it is then hauled from the ship yard on oil/gas loving trains and trucks to plants (that are not part of the Kyoto Protocol) that refine the ever loving hell out if it to give you that nice little Li-ion battery. Where does that refinery waste go? Who gives a shit...it's China, amiright!? Of course...we need to get that battery back to Murica' so on the ship it goes, back across the Pacific to some harbor on the West Coast.

Of course, this is not all done autonomously, no. Big burley men, require big gas guzzling trucks and eat big lunches at their jobs. All of these workers who work directly with, or inadvertently with building that retarded electric car all use machines and equipment that was made with or runs on oil/petrol.

But wait!!! You're plugging your car into an outlet like a dish washer! No harm! Except the very power grid you're plugging into either runs on a form of oil/shale/coal or is a derivate of.

In conclusion, your "feels" are simply misguided. Your stupid electric car requires more raw materials and oil than a Hummer. When I see someone like you, acting all uppity in their shit box electric car, I cannot help but laugh at them and their misplaced sense of superiority where the very car they drive kicks out the legs that they think they are standing upon.

>>15710573

this picture really gets my neurons firing

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>not driving a steam car

>>15709921
Hybrid rotary when.

>>15712364
I don't doubt it at all to be honest. But still I've seen other coal plants burning less clean than mine up here.
>hold my beer

>>15714113
also you still need oil in an electric car, but in the a/c system. Bearings must all be greased, the transmission still contains fluid, etc

We can escape oil, but there's no escaping the massive manufacturing demand for hydrocarbons, of which dino oil just happens to be the most efficient to acquire.

Humanity will develop cheap, fully man-made petroleum before we run out of fossil fuel. The march of progress means it's inevitable.

>>15714113

I like oil.

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>>15709921
>An an EV driver,

>>15715265

I meant, "As an EV driver."

>i'm helping the environment by buying a new electric car!
>new car
>building a new car
>initial cost

cheaper and better for the earth if you just bought a second hand car. if everyone did this the world would be more better off.

>>15709921
t.Ford F350 driver

>>15716641
>long tailpipe fallacy

>>15709921
well for us long distance drivers , we do not have time to stop at a place to charge for a while. Although the tourqe on those custom made ev cars is amazing. The point is that they're cheaper, easy to fix/cheaper, and to top it off you can fuel up relatively quickly.

>>15714428
Go home, Jay Leno

>>15710560
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>>15710597

>not comparing them to a P90D

>>15709921
Wife drives electric because company lease. She prefers to take our gas car anytime of the week leaving me with the EV most of the time. I don't mind as much because I drive short distances but it's an overpriced mediocre car.

I guess EV's have potential but until they pass ICE cars in one of the important areas (range, charge time, design, comfort/luxury) we won't buy one.
I'd be ok with the shit range & charging times if there was a really comfy OR beautiful EV. Or true other way around driving an ugly-ass car as long as it charges fast or has long range.
Wireless charging might be a good alternative soon though, because there's no hassle with recharging then. Still leaves us with the ugly and boring but it'd be an alternative to ICE cars at least.

>>15710587

Power in my town is mostly hydroelectric. Thanks TVA.

>>15710583
How the fuck 0 60 mph differ that much compared to 0 100 kmh