American trucks

>>15648913
And what about a 13 year old review of a shoddy rhd conversion on a sport truck makes you think that?

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>>15648913
define "simple"

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>>15648933
>no 4WD
>no suspension travel

How come the Japanese can build a superior truck to the Americans?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hL6SsL9EyTA

He liked the Syclone though or at least he couldn't find much bad to say about it. even said it was nicely built despite having an unappealing interior.

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>>15648970
>>15648933
This was considered to be a luxurious American car in the mid '90s

>>15648962
>4WD
>Lightning

I think you miss the point. They're fuckin bad as hell m8.

>>15649004
>luxurious American car

>>15649050
>They're fuckin bad

>>15649062
>>15648970
>$30,000+ price tag in the mid '90s
>truck with 1000lb tow rating
>interior made by Fisher Price

No wonder GM went belly up

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>>15648962
>Japanese can build a superior truck to the Americans

Toyota's image is still recovering from all the rotted Tacoma frame's. No one takes these trucks seriously.

>>15649087
30 grand was normal in the 90s you spoilt millenial twat get a job

>>15649121
You could get a V8 pony car for less than 15k in '90.

>>15649087
It could also out-accelerate a Ferrari

>>15649151
yeah and the typhoon/syclone was a lot faster

>>15648962
>4wd tacoma
>suspension travel

top kek. my 1st gen has maybe 6" of travel up front even with OME extended coils and shocks. My '70 bug is faster in the dezert.

>>15649151
A base model XL F-150 with no options and a manual transmission was just a few hundred shy of 20k. 30k was fairly normal.

>implying any car manufacturer can design anything that's not a complete piece of garbage nowadays

>>15649151
My loaded XLT Lariat 4x4 super cab F250 was $20k in 1990.

>>15649190
1990 was the first time in history a base model v8 mustang broke $10,000 sticker price.

>>15648962
It's a fucking lightning, it's meant for the guy who wants something a bit more car-like but wants a truck bed.

>>15649087
>fastest accelerating vehicle that year

>>15648970
>0-60 in almost five seconds was considered fast 25 years ago

How did people not die of old age before they reached their destination?

>>15649162
One of the most anemic Ferraris ever made, yes

>>15649166
>6" of travel

Which is better than 2" that the SVT had

>>15650234

That's still faster than 95% of the cars in Europe.

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Eurocucks btfo

>>15649151

>pony car in the 90's
>less than 15k

Pick one faggot

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>>15650234

There was a scene on Best Motoring International where they had it blow away an NSX in a drag-race and they looked like they were having some fun.

>>15650619
Hellcat RAM when?

>>15650619
What's the point of this? It's like 60K US dollars and slower than a 3 series. Maybe one day Americans can figure out how to extract more performance from a 8.4L V10 than Europeans can from a 3L 6 cylinder

>>15650662
unsure. surprised it's not here already

>>15650652
No, faggot.

http://www.autotrader.com/1990-ford-Mustang.jsp?modelId=9529

>>15650683
a truck weighing over 5000lbs and does 0-60 in 4.8 seconds is pretty impressive. the new 335i does it in 4.4. also the viper engines haven proven to be very reliable in the long run due to being low stressed. the turbo bmw inline 6's have been bigger shitters in the reliability category.

>>15650683
>Maybe one day Americans can figure out how to extract more performance from a 8.4L V10 than Europeans can from a 3L 6 cylinder

Flip side for ya
>Bently Mulsanne
> 505-hp
>6.8-liter twin-turbo V-8

>C6 Corvette Z06
>505 hp
>7.0-liter pushrod V8

>>15650683
In '05 that Ram would smoke any non M 3 series.

>>15650737
Did you forget about the torque?

>Bentley Mulsanne
>1000 nm of torque

>C6 Z06
>470lbft

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>>15650683

We've been beating German ass with V10s since the 90s you retarded nigger.

>>15650712

>used cars

>>15650861
>niggermaterials Vs Foot-pounds

>>15650652
I have old car and driver mags, a 92 fox body lx sport 5.0 was less than a fwd turbo laser, the cheapest dsm variant.

15,174 with all performance options
14,700 base price with v8/5spd.

get rekt fgt

>>15650955

no u fgt

>enjoy your v6 with 150,000 miles

>>15650919
Its still almost twice the lb-ft

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>>15650861

I thought Euros thought Torque was useless and unworthy of bringing up when discussing engine performance unless we're talking about passenger cars or trucks/haulers. granted, all cars need torque to get moving but beyond that every time someone brought up torque regarding an american engine the response would be something along the lines of "its not supposed to haul your amerifat ass around" etc.

>>15650919
1000nm is like 740lbft

>>15651004
Its a bently not an ariel atom

>>15651004
>passenger cars or trucks/haulers

Bentleys were referred to as the fastest lorries in the world before

How come the worlds best Pickup is a French design from over 40 years ago?

>>15650967
I have multiple engines to choose from, driving the i5t today.
>stay wrong fgt

>>15650986
737 ft/lbs * .5 = 368.5
368.5=470
Europoor math, everyone!

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>>15648913
Nobody can design trucks: Boxy in the back, boxy in the middle, and the only thing that separates it from the competition is the front bumper.

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>>15651051
Because world's best pickup is a 1965 ford f250, which is a very American design.

>>15651236
>only thing that separates it from the competition is the front bumper.
...and the drivetrain, interior, and capabilities?

>>15651236
>honda ridgeline
>fwd
>a whopping 28mpg
>rated to tow less than a 30 year old crown vic


Who buys this useless junk?

>>15651260
we're talking from a design point. The only difference between the new Ridgeline and the Colorado is the bumper.

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>>15651283
People who want a truck but don't wanna haul anything with it. Kinda like those people that lift their trucks but never go off road.

>>15651073

>in your mind you have multiple engines to choose from

Stay mad assbuccaneer

>>15648962
>comparing 4wd to 2wd
>ever

kill yourself

>>15651403
my dd was in the class photo, yours wasn't
>because you can't put bread on a dream.

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>>15648962
The point of the lightning was a sleeper truck, with practicality and fun. It's rwd for shredding tires, and it's got a small amount of travel so that it doesn't nose dive bad when you hit the breaks. That's why it's called a "sports truck"

>>15651526

>pics or it didn't happen

Willing to bet you're full of shit.

>>15650913
Did you click the link stupid? It lists original 1990 MSRP

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>>15651561
aha the 20r and yellow toyota pickup are mine.

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>>15651820
that was a year ago. I know have 2 850 turbos

>>15651846
nice electric car
also >light wipers

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>>15651846
a g-body cutlass with a 383 swap, an f350 with a 10 ft cab over camper (you can just see it on the side of my garage) and a bobcat with a double axle equipment trailer to pull it around on.

>>15651871
nice bus pass

>>15651283
Suburbanites that want to haul stuff occasionally and like how trucks look but want it to drive like an Accord

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>>15651554
>"sports truck"

That's not a sports truck, it's a pile of shit.
THIS is a sports truck

>>15652030
thats a unitbody el camino successor and is slower than a lightning. Only Boomers bought those I never see them.

>>15652030

>That's not a sports truck, it's a pile of shit.

So meta, right here.

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>>15652102
you mean no one wanted to buy a $40,000 slushmatic boat with a convertible hardtop and the interior that could have been out of an S10 (with leather)

>>15651554
>americanz think that pos is a sports truck
You want a real sports truck? Look at any holden or ford ute in australia

>>15648913
American companies haven't been ABLE to make a simple pickup truck since the mod 00's thanks to fuel economy regulation.

http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2013/04/is-the-regular-cab-pickup-doomed.html

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>>15652140

that interior looks more PT cruiser than an S10

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>>15648913
Dunno they look pretty tough to me breh

>>15650912
>With V10's designed by European engineers
Mfw

>>15652200
Funny because the PT Cruiser launched that whole "retro theme" fad that spawned that god awful SSR

>>15650912
Wasn't it a lambo V12 with 2 cylinders taken off?

>>15652248
No it was a 5.9 Magnum with two cylinders added and cast in aluminum

>>15652156
>380hp 450lb-ft
>so much torque they had to use a F250 transmission
>stiffer suspension
>bigger brakes
>unique interior and exterior trim
>not a sport truck

Fuck off m8.

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>>15652341
>unique interior

If you mean the same interior out of a 1988 Crown Vic except with whitefaced dials, then yes it is quite "unique"

>>15652362
That looks nothing like an 88 crown vic. A vic has a much more comfy interior.

If your gonna shitpost at least do so accurately.

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>>15652465
Fine, 1993 Crown Vic

>>15652362

Gonna be honest.. i actually like that interior. its a hell of a lot easier on the eyes than some of the Ford truck interiors that followed. its obviously full of plastic but even luxury cars like Mercedes had a lot of plastic back then and don't even get me started on BMW who's interiors in their M3/5 cars costing nearly $100,000 and being loaded with plastic and/or fake wood.

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>>15652500
That's a 95. 92-94 Had a slightly different interior, and 96+ had a different steering wheel.

Again, please shitpost responsibly.

Here's a 92-94 for reference. A professional shitposter does not leave room for argument.

>>15652362
You left out the word trim dummy. Which is what the white face gauges, perforated leather wheel, different seats are.

>>15652594
>white face gauges

So they didn't bother to paint the gauges

>perforated leather wheel

They used leather with holes in it? Did they get it from a recycling center?

>different seats
Yes the seats are a different color. This is what defines a sports truck

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>>15648962
Funny how those are American made, designed, and built, but are conveniently classed as Japanese when something goes wrong. What about the hilux? No American design and has a golden reputation for reliability and being indestructible.

>>15650505
Wrong

>>15653125
No one puts the 348 on a list of Ferraris worth owning even when it was brand new

>>15653602
Whatever helps you sleep at night

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>>15653086
They don't want to hear that mate. One exception would be the harbodies. Designed and made in the USA, many are still in the road today.

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>>15653086
>4 door

>>15653605
It's true.
>328: tons of praise
>355: instant classic
>348: uwot

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>>15653610
>Designed and made in the USA, many are still in the road today.
Are you sure about that? D21s were available globally and built globally, usually under the Navara nameplate.

>>15653633
Yeah I'll find you the article hold on.

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>>15653622
Not all pickups are bought for the single focused reason of carrying an arbitrary 8x4 sheet of random construction material flat in a styleside bed.
If that is however the reason, there's options to accommodate such a task you mouth breathing shitlord.

>>15652621
>So they didn't bother to paint the gauges
So white face electroluminescent gauges are just unpainted now?
>They used leather with holes in it? Did they get it from a recycling center?
You are literally this retarded.
>Yes the seats are a different color. This is what defines a sports truck
The seats themselves are different with more side bolstering than the stock bench and wrapped in a different material with a suede insert to keep you from sliding around. But yes, they're just a different color, stupid.

>arguing about interior trim making or breaking the fact that it's a sport truck
Jesus.

>>15649112
>>15649166
>implying the Tacoma is anywhere as Good as the Hilux which is literally banned by import

>>15653643
Yes, they are. A truck is a mans veihical. Not a man, his wife and his two shitty kids, they make Minivans for that. Its for driving to homedepot and picking up the lumber for your new shed or better yet, driving out to the nearest reserve and cutting down some trees directly. Or helping your Hondafag friend get his new refrigerator home.

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>>15653633

Some sheet metal was changed for other markets. All harbodies were fuel injected in the USA.

http://www.infamousnissan.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33894

>>15649112
From the frame's what?

>>15651283
They're popular with divers and underwater welders. People who need a bed to haul oblong shit and want a comfy ride. There's a respectable market for it.

I tell people it's a terrible truck, but a fantastic car.

>>15653660
Its the truck for the modern guy who pretends to be a man.

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>>15648913
>how to make a performance ute

>>15653651
>Yes, they are.
top shitpost basement dwelling m8.
Said trucks also make great recreational offroaders, which your recommended minivan does not (inb4 some obscure example like a Delica). They not only fit a cubic metre of what ever it is you're carrying, but a whole work crew as well.
Also, said lumber from your favourite homedepot outlet is easier stored and placed on a half length roofrack system (which isn't limited to 8' lengths) whilst still carrying what ever tools you need for the task in the bed.

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>>15653679
>recreational offroaders
fuck year

>>15653679
>taking the family car off road(in to the ditch that night you got drunk) and breaking an axle.

Your wifes not going to be happy that shes got to drive her Fusion to soccer practice, enjoy your cold TV dinners for the next week, cuck.

>>15653625
Sure thing bud

>>15653651
>veihical

>>15653705
>implications
>from the basement
tell us more about what's acceptable for the "manly men" you observe.

>>15653711
You tell me first what other things you do to "feel" like a man.I bet you think your skinny jeans make you look like One Direction.

>>15653728
>I bet you think your skinny jeans make you look like One Direction.
kek, sounds like one of these "manly men" recently paid out on your skinny jean wearing ass.

>>15650662
04 to 06. The reg cab short box got a 6 speed manual With a Hurst shifter. The quad cab got a automatic

>>15654069
As far as shape goes. Those may very well be truck perfection. But I dont like having to climb to get in a car. I stick to compact trucks.

>>15653674
Mmmmmmmmmm
Cunts

>>15650737
Bentley has the turbos for reasons other than performance, its a luxury car after all.
But americucks won't ever understand european cars.

>>15654246
They have the turbos because they weigh like 30 tons. They need all the help they can get.

>>15654262
A Mulsanne only weighs as much as an Escalade

>>15654585
>A sedan only weighs as much as GM's largest SUV

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>>15654596
I mean that it's not really that heavy for how massive it is and how huge the engine is and all the luxury shit inside.

>>15653666
Say what you will, Satan. But I believe that they hold a legitimate place in the market for people who need more than a sedan, but don't need something that tow or go off road. They have a nice bed and are very comfy.

As I said, I think of them more as big cars than trucks. Like a weaker El Camino or something.

Personally, I like small trucks like the D21, but I'd buy a Ridgeline before I get a sedan.

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>>15649004
Except that it wasn't you fucking imbecile. It was never advertised as a luxury car, it was a very expensive toy that was considered a luxury to own.

>>15653610
why does nobody make little trucks like this anymore?

every "small" truck is fucking xbox huge.

>>15652341
>4700lb+
roflmao

>>15655666
Nice get

>>15654643
>really not that heavy
>referring to any Bentley

Lolwut

>>15655666
Holy shit, dem gets.

>>15652544
That looks really nice. Why did they start using the shitty plastics later in the 90s and in the 00s?

Also, is that real wood?

>>15656002
i use to love passing faggots like yourself at sebring in my lightning.

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>>15649004

I miss my 1995 Sten...

>>15649151
>You could get a V8 pony car for less than 15k in '90.

My '95 S-10 was $16,000 when I bought it new. >>15656888

>>15656805
>passing anything in a low powered 2000kg+ boat with dog shit weight distribution
lol

>>15652102
You're fucking retarded thats based off the trailblazer platform. Its a Full frame truck

>>15648962
Because high schoolers think top gear is some kind of automotive information bible

>>15655955
>it was a very expensive toy that was considered a luxury to own.

>luxury toy
>it's not a luxury guys!!

>>15656985
it is tho

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>>15657158
I can't tell if you're purposefully misconstruing my words or just dense as fuck. The syclone was never marketed as a luxury vehicle. In fact there is nothing about the vehicle that would make anyone think it was a luxury car, like a Mercedes or Bently of the time. It was however more expensive than the typical truck while offering nothing more in terms of practicality. In that sense, it is considered a luxury. Much like an ATV in considered a luxury item for suburbanites.

>>15656915
benchracing on the internet.. is it your specialty? fucking faggot, you can make anything fast.

>>15657475
dont argue with the europoors they will never understand power outside of a 3 cyl. diesel fwd shitbox. they are extremelly jealous of our ability to have options.

>>15648938
I like your truck m8. A body sitting on a frame, with a large bed to store your goods, and a single cab for you and another person. Nothing fancy, got just the right gauges; just a good ole' utilitarian truck.

>>15656896
Ok? How much was one in '90?