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General

How's car culture in Canada?
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>>15644478
Depends where you are. In and around Toronto can be good at the right places. Once you leave the populated cities it's just boomers for miles with their American copypaste.
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Boomers and stance fags
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expensive
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Just salt. Met a few /o/ guys though. They are chill.
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>>15644499
Toronto is filled with nogs and wogs racing their $2000 rice racers equipped with $20 000 worth of add-ons. Especially in the North and East GTA, Calgary, and Vancouver.
This is mainly the "instagram-racer" and "i speed up for turns" people, though. When you get more chill and less cancerous, the small-underground racing people are nice.

Meet people from /o/; not reebook
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>>15644716
>Vancouver

More like rich chink kids in lambos and ferrari's
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>>15645099
Nah. They're too new-money to know lambos and ferraris. Just Mercedes SLK and BMW X6 trash.
Plus those low supercars would get stuck every time they hit a speedbump on the hills or driving anywhere outside of the main city.

They also don't race and aren't part of the "car-culture". I think OP is discussing the people who drag race outside of the city limits and do whatever they want.
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>>15645173
Oh I didn't know you lived here
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I bet it's quite nice, eh.
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Eastern canada has a pretty decent drag racing scene. Its not huge but i like it. I live in nova scotia
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>tfw live north of Toronto
>drive my poor NA miata
>all I ever see is NB or NC's driven by older women
>tfw no one to hoon with or even wink at for that manner
>tfw my NA will die alone
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>>15645306
>live in the GTA
>only ever see Miatas driven by older white guys
>occasionally there's a stanced NA or NB
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>>15645311
do you have a miat anon? wanna hoon together?
I'm just so lonely :c
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>>15645256

Where you at bro, I too am a bluenoser
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>>15645320
I do t though I was close to getting an NB a while ago

I drive a Boxster now, another underpowered roadster
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>>15645326
From sackville. Been in halifax for 8 years or so now
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>>15645250
Hoser
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Drive this loop at 12-3 am in Toronto and you will find people looking to race.
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Calgary, Alberta

Riced 86 twins and GTI's
Bro trucks and more bro trucks and lifted jeeps
Run of the mill 'rrari's, lambo's etc.
Some pretty rare cars like a couple LaFerrari's, Enzo's, Yenko Camaros.

NO fucking race tracks unless you want to drive 4 hours

Beautiful mountain roads, ski resort touge's and endless gravel roads to get your rally on. Shitloads of offroading PLUZ's
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>>15645439
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Those guys look so pathetic
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>>15645456

Kinda, yeah. But it's also kinda nice being to rally race your Enzo, crash it into the ocean and say "whoops it's just a boo boo"
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BC car and bike fun has gone to shit since the 40kmh impound law came in. No one wants to risk having fun anymore. Even all the bike guys refuse to do spirited riding in BC these days, if they want to have fun, they cross the border and ride in Washington.
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Anyone around Kingston in Ontario? Will be moving there for 8 months or so, after 1 month in Trenton.
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vanfag here, we usually race at 2-3 am up the sea to sky highway, half our guys have radars and we all have walkies to communicate. no speeding tickets ever
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>>15645431
Too bad it's swarming with cops on the east end.
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Remember when we hung out?
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Montreal

Lots of riced VW Golf wagons, Mazdaspeed 3 wagons (with obnoxious BOV), older Civic hatches (with fartcannons), Quebecers fucking love hatches
Not too many stanced, cambered or lowered cars tho, the roads are filled with potholes and shit and also there's snow on the ground for a third of the year
Some muscle fags, mostly Mustangs and mostly in surrounding suburbs
Donks are rare, lots of black people who put 20" chrome wheels on 300s but nothing over 22" generally
I've never seen a single lifted bro truck
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>>15645641
I remember seeing your AW at EA automotive, but I had no idea that was an /o/ gathering.
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>>15645535
>8 months
Let me guess. For poet? The car club has like 4 bays which is nice.
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>>15645246
Not sure if that's sarcasm, lol.
I've dealt with a few rich chinkos who lived in B.C. and had industries in mainland China. I know their community second hand until my father passed and haven't had contact with them for over a year.
Remember that for every chinko Ferrari, there're probably 20-50 X6s and lookalikes.

>>15645306
>>15645311
What are NCs and NBs?
Miatas are nice if you do a little fix job. Reliable, too. Don't feel bad

>>15645439
Northern Edmonton makeshift racetracks have been reportedly the best in Canada due to the high population and large rural landscapes affording low police and high land.
Due to the northern oil derricks, all the roads are very well maintained.

>>15645431
Dude. Police every-fucking where. Especially on the 404 south. I'm afraid to go 140 on the east end because of that.

>>15645759
fuck that's sexy
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>>15645379
>Mainlanders
Not even worth a glance.
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>>15645759
Who's the tits?
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Free tickets to cool shit at Mosport.

http://www.casc.on.ca/sites/default/files/bemc_sept_17-18_eticket.pdf
http://www.casc.on.ca/sites/default/files/casc_cel_oct_1-2_eticket.pdf

Anyone in Oshawa?
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>>15645837
Yeah it's sarcasm
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>>15645999
I am ^__^
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>>15645837
I like never see police on the dvp south of the 401 off ramps... they have no where to park.
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>>15645431
brah,

its 427 N to 409 where you cross to the 401, then you take the DVP/gardiner back to the 427 N

locals know whats up.

haven't done that loop in years though.
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anybody know some good driving routes or twisties around the 905/519?
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>>15645743
What do you drive?
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>>15646044
My friend got pulled over by some dodge charger. I shit you not. 40 over the limit and he apologised and got a 12 over the limit ticket instead.
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>>15645737

Can agree with most of this but depending where you are in Montreal I have seen lifted bro trucks. Most of them are the pavement princess meme though.
I have also seen many stanced cars, they are usually towards the north shore.
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Never pay much attention to street cars, race car scene in southern ontario is pretty solid though. Delaware, Grand bend motorplex, flamboro, sunset, toronto indy good dirt track near windsor forget the name. Of course mosport
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>>15646074
It wasn't there but I have a panda AW11. I'll be there on the first week of September if it doesn't rain with it though.
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Owners are mostly AZN or brown to kids, but Vancouver is an insane place to see exotic cars daily. Not uncommon to see a few aventadors, 599s, Gt3 rs, R8s, a multitude of Astons, Maseratis, etc etc if it's a sunny day. The Only cars I get excited about seeing are the older ones.
>Insert latest model of any exotic manufacturer and youll probably seem them at least a few times a week
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In Montreal all cars are rusty after 6 years.
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Motorcycle scene is pretty good in Vancouver. Lots of people ride the sea to sky every day.
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>>15646259
/o/ meet??
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>>15645759
Yep. How is poet?
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>>15646317
This
There's hardly a car scene here in Saskatchewan because the road/weather destroys your car. I was looking around at a volvo dealer earlier this month and all there brand new models had rus starting. That's why everyone here drives shit pickups or beater j bodies.
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>>15647437
I was taking my 370Z from Ontario to Alberta, and you guys fucked up my bumper. I'm sure my control rod hit the ground a few times too. Why are the roads so shit there?
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>>15645837
>What are NCs and NBs?

Chassis codes
NA = fist gen
NB = second gen
NC = third gen
ND = fourth gen
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>>15646065
Hamilton hurrdurring
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Edmonton, Alberta here. I'm not into car culture or whatever but I see alot of

>16-year-olds in the taco Bell parking lot with their Honda civics and integras

>Boomers in some shopping center parking lot with their Hellcat Challengers

>Lifted diesel trucks with tow mirrors that don't tow anything
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>>15647399
My dad and I arrive early at around 7:45 because he's old mechanic friends with other MR2 and NSX guys at the front of the facility, but I can swing around again to that other parking lot area if people will be there on September 4th
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>>15645306
>tfw accord in east toronto
lets meet up and wink pop ups together
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So hey guys, how are the climate in your places?
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>>15644478
Are the police in Canada less violent than US police?
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>>15647416
Very relaxed. You used to get td for it but not anymore which is a shame. It's a good chunk of money.
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>>15648075
Yep
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>>15648075
Yes
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>>15648075
y'eh
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hey leafs, wtf is this thing on the left
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Any Niagara /o/ friends? Add me on Instagram @the8tball

I want to do a 905 meet even TO people should come down and drive along the parkway
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>>15649836

Looks kinda like a Polaris Slingshot
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>>15649877
yeah, i saw it in Montreal yesterday, just curious. here's the back
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>>15649836
>>15649910
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campagna_T-Rex
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>>15644716

Ay M8, Ontario quietly introduced laws in July that, as far as I've heard, make it illegal to modify a vehicle so that it "creates undo tire wear, modifies mufflers to be louder, dark window tint, or anything else that would cause a vehicle to fail a safety inspection". The police are calling it "Project erase" and are really gunning after stancefags. They've got the MTO in on it and are actually doing roadside inspections and everything. The first night they did it they apparently pulled 2 vehicle off the road and gave one guy a 20K ticket for operating an unsafe vehicle.

Stance is finally dead in Onterrible.
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>>15649955
not sure how to feel about this
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>>15645379

Nice, what you driving? I'm from Pictou but live in Halifax.
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Well Ontario seems like it's one bill away from making any car modifications illegal, so there's that...
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Ausfag here i find Canadians extremely cute :3

>never ever find Canadian girl to do siik burnouts wid
Facken kill me ai
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>>15645431
just like the c1 loop
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>>15648075
Yesh
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>>15650291
>:3

Jesus christ you fat bastard I can imagine you trying to be cute in real life with your bloody neckbeard. Disgusting.
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>>15650291
Just stick with your girls.
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>>15650595
He can't get any here in Australia, that's why he wants to go to North America and get one. Lives in Coffs and can't get a gf, and couldn't get one when he went to Brisbane either.
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Any Canadians import any jap cars? Who's the best importer to go with?
I've been told jdmconnection or pacific coast auto or something. I want to import a 180sx or r33 this spring. Any idea how long the process takes and what it's going to cost to get one of these cars here and registered?
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>>15645099

All these cancerous faggots ever do is fill their instagrams with filtered pics and film themselves on bubbletea raids all day with cliche autotune music, you never see these people work.
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>>15650610

JDMconnection looks very proffessional from what I've heard and they actually show you the auctionsheet, ask Sea, I think he imported his Altezza through them.
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>>15647460
Hot in the summer, cold in the winter, lots of salt and gravel roads. They are always ripping up the same roads and repaving the same roads. Shit patch jobs that become giant potholes, dogfucking city workers, and I hardly see them doing any work on the highways. I also find that there's always tons of blown tires on the road in sask probs from the shirt roads.
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>>15650610
pacific coast JDM regularly posts on his youtube, and has good reviews. He's originally from kelowna as well, so he'll know a thing or two about exporting to canada
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>>15649862
Join the WAT Ontario Whatsapp group

Send us your phone number at [email protected]
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>>15649955
>>15649985
I'm okay with this
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>>15650610
Related to this: is it worthwhile to import a Delica?
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>>15650936
interestingly enough, a guy in my neighbourhood has a lifted one
Do you like rough terrain or winter?
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>>15650997
Yes
Well more accurately I don't really like winter, but I need to deal with it regardless
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gonna be staying in calgary for a few days. anyone know any meets going on tonight?
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>>15650999
then dont mind what other people say and build a good build with it
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>>15647739
tell me more
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>>15650277
basically is with the new safety inspection laws
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>>15651352
It only affects you on the resale/sale of a car. If you buy it you have to get it tested to pass ministry standard. Once it passes you can do whatever the fuck you want as long as you can pass emissions.
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>>15651344
goo (put a period here and get rid of the spaces and brackets) gl/maps/3AyMmoRi7KU2
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>>15650936
Most common JDM car I see here
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>>15651385
>There goes my dreams of a hobby of buying shitty toyotas, fixing them up and sprucing them with cleanliness then selling them to college kids at 400$ more
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>Vancovuer Island
>Bunch of old dudes in NBs and NC miatas maybe an ND here or there
>Young fuck bois in NA's
>Rich Chinks driving around in rovers, mercs, and bimmers

Literally shit
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>>15645737
I tend to agree, those are the cars you mainly see in the city, along side Arabs driving Audi's, and the occasional super car. In the suburbs its a bit different. I've seen a fair share of bro trucks and especially stancefags. In my end there are a lot of rich kids driving mommy and daddy's BMWs and benzes
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>>15645737
>>15646093
North shore is filled with stanced cars. mostly civics tho. A LOT of STIs too. But yeah, Quebec's car scene is trash. Aside from meets, I've seen only one stanced m3 and one stanced miata on the road
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>>15651572
Stance is literally most retarded trend

I don't understand how people defend ruining the performance of their cars, saying it "looks good"
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>>15651572
Where are you driving? I see m3's and miatas relatively often...
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>>15651612
Repentigny so I see a lot of E90s and E46s but they're rarely older than that
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>>15651555
Just drove a white aventador last week owned by a 20 year old chinamen
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>>15651674
Not surprising. 75% of super car owners are asians in their 20s, the remaining 25% are west van boomers with nothing else to spend their money on
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>>15649955
>Ontario quietly introduced laws in July
ok, i need to get this straight,
because of these laws when buying a used car do you need insurance before you even buy it from the guy
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>>15651914
The new laws are going to tank Kijiji car sales in Ontario. Over half of the cars on there won't pass a new safety test.
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>>15651936
:(
damn, they're out to kill the used car market i guess
at least its not cash for clunkers.
Still, do you need insurance BEFORE you even buy it off them?
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>>15649955
Tint on first row windows and muffler mods have always been illegal. Just unenforced. They're fine until they pull you over doing 50+ over the limit
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>>15652097
Yeah they are. The new laws are absolute shit. I read through them all the other day, so I know what's required before buying a used car.
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>>15652131
>I read through them all the other day, so I know what's required before buying a used car.
give me the run down, how bad is it, doc?
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>>15651694
>75% of super car owners are asians in their 20s
Are you serious?!
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>>15652891
new money kiddies from China
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>>15644478
Canada has cars? I thought they drove only mustangs.
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>>15651352
Please explain, I left for the prairies 10 years ago.
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>move from toronto to barrie
I hate how everyone here is a hick.
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>>15655547
What, as opposed to everyone being a massive fucking faggot?
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>>15655575
Just different brands of retard I guess.
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Does the Toronto/GTA area have their own decal like Houston does?
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saw four skylines, 5 if you count mine, on my commute home today. Also saw a JZX100 as I pulled into my neighborhood. Yesterday I saw an S14 silvia, a week ago I saw an S15. Vancouver maybe a shit, but there's lots of neat cars around.
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>>15648079
where is that??
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Which one of you is this?

http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/winnipeg/1997-nissan-silvia-rhd/1186439571?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true
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>>15644645
>>15644645
pretty much
import scene is stance
euro scene is stance hipster
merican scene is old people sitting in lawnchairs besides their car waiting to tell you their whole lives

motorsports events:
F1 : immigrants and people who got gifted tickets
Drifting: me and teens with monster hats
Oval events: locals and families of racers
Amateur Drag Racing: guys in civics who do 17s on the 1/4
Pro Drag Racing: me as a spectator and a few people, trailers outnumber spectators 3 to 1
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>>15650920
WATON banners when? :^)
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>>15657204
Whenever Brayn gets a move on it
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>>15655547

Going to Georgian? Good luck if you have a summer semester. Every store on campus is closed and you still pay the same as any other semester.
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>>15657221
Nah I finished school at York already.
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>>15653542
basically what >>15649955
said. imo there going after stance fags and brotrucks with 30" lift kits and deleted emissions eqiupment
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>>15657208
uuuuu, Ill get on it asdfgiodfkj
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>>15655575
>>15657221
I moved from Newmarket to Ontario last year. I kind of miss Newmarket but Barrie is okay too.
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>>15657437
>Ontario
oops I mean barrie
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>>15645999
>>15646041

I most likely know you and hate you.


Matt. Give me back my chess set you autistic fucking sperg.
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I'm in the GTA and it sucks desu, no one wants to drive everyone wants to park and talk about why their car is amazing. I've met a few people who actually drive and don't have 40 instagram tags on their windshields but only from actually driving and seeing them.

In markham its just asians with daddy cars who's parents fucked up in hong kong and had to move their money here to avoid being executed.
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>>15657478
My name's Dillon, but I know a Matt, but he isn't really into cars as much as guns. What car does this Matt drive and how old is he?
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>>15657478
>>15657756
>tfw matt who knows dillon but on the other side of the country
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Can any BCfags tell me what your out if province safety inspection is like? I'm planning on moving from Sask to Victoria area come spring, wondering what I'll have to go through to get my car insured.
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>live in Scarborough
>Tamils and niggers acting like they live in fucking Harlem or Compton
Every time I head anywhere these fuckers are always trying to act like hardcore gangbangers even when they're just driving shitboxes and being annoyances. I always stress over parking my car anywhere that isn't enclosed because they might smash my window just to show their friends how much of a nigger they are.
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>>15652131

Got a link? I want to have a read, Ontario's website for laws sucks shit.
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>>15660342
Where you live in Scarbz senpai. What you drive?
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>know a friend that cheesed my new safety inspection
2EZ
Suck a cock Liberals with your taxation on fucking everything.
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>>15655547
>everyone here is a hick
We got skids too, drive by McDonalds on Dunlop and there's usually a herd of 'em under the sign.
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>>15661346
I hope they're not stancefags because I hate those too.
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>>15661363
Haven't seen very many of them around here. Lots of ricers though and young guys in luxury cars that can't drive.
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>>15653524
Apparently we have more exotic cars than USA.
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>>15650602
Kek haha
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>>15648075
Yes
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>>15644478
How do Canadians differ from Americans? Through pics and videos both countries look the absolute same.
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>>15661504
Syrup in our veins.
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Edmontonfag reporting

>>15661504

Americans especially in the west are wimps when it comes to weather. i was an automotive mechanic for years, working outside in -40c in winter and working in +40c in summer with no air conditioning was just life. same as driving through the bush in 4ft of snow. western Americans cant handle it at all. our culture in general is a bit different, ive traveled a bit of the USA and the only state ive found similar to us is Montana albeit i dont think i could live in the USA at all. ive traveled alot of western Europe and when they ask you "are you American?" they treat you alot better when you reply youre Canadian

>>15658063

did them all the time here in Alberta when i was a mechanic, any holes in the floorboard or frame damage is an automatic fail. brake pads and rotors have to be within a spec (some specs are low), any leaking shocks/struts fail, etc

most cars we inspected over 5 years old needed something stupid like swaybar bushings or struts etc
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>>15661236
Empringham bruh, drive a shit 2010 civic and have still had my window smashed twice.
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>>15661861
sweet. so deep ass fucking scarbz.
i get gas at markham and sheppard because it's cheaper sometimes. other times, i just go to the pioneer at kingston / markham for 50cents cheaper. or the costco and wait like 5 minutes

yeah those nigs and tamil wigs give you trouble if you're that north. if you do most of your business in the south beaches area, it's chill.
plus cruising down kingston is like driving in the states. radically different m9
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>>15661898
Kingston is a great road, you're lucky you don't have to go further east. the entire area south of Finch from Markham to Morningside is absolutely packed with tamils nigs and wigs.

The only benefit is all the sexy dark skin girls.
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>>15661346
Just stay the fuck away from downtown barrie because its a shithole full of bums and drug addicts
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>>15661973
cold cop oxycontin errday
>>15661966
>tamil nigs
>tamil
>nigs
choose one.

>sexy dark skin grills
yeah. until they turn 30 and their tits sag and ass flops and face melts. some of them do have huge tits for some reason.
the other benefit is cheap service and bad drivers. i remember going on the 401 past oshawa and there's a truck doing 115 on the right lane and this honda pilot doing 118 on the left. people trying to pass because i average 135 on the 401 to avoid aerocraft and some shit. when the pilot finally passes the truck, there were 8 cars lined up behind me and we managed to all change lanes around him
it was this old fucking brown guy who's driving with his hands together.

nb for no yellow text and angrey
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>>15661988
>tamils nigs
Look at the S mate.
Also same with white women for the turn 30-> turn to shit effect.
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>>15661988
Brown people have to be the pinnacle of shit drivers. They make up more than 70% of the crashes I've seen.
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>>15661504
Canadians generally are more polite than Americans.
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>>15661973
Pretty much
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>tfw nova scotia anons don't reply to me

I drive alone so much it hurts ;-;
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xth for Orangeville has the best roads.
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>>15645548
Shit man, never knew that went on. I'm North Van. Is there a chat or something?

Definitely interested.
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>>15661988
>cheap service
>avoid aircraft

wat
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>>15663920
>avoid aerocraft
Canadian highways use aerocraft to track people speeding. You can't even see them until it's too late.

>cheap service
Brown people take up the lower end of the CAST system in almost all of the US and Canada. Even in small towns, they all run gas station wagecucc jobs, toilet cleaners, etc. They take jobs from people who don't want them.
Bless their souls and I appreciate that they do that. But I would appreciate it more if the government just gave them free bus tickiets for the rest of their life. I'd pay to have them off the road.

>>15662154
The muslim women who pitch their tents before driving aren't even as bad as those red dot tamil women. They're also so fucking ignorant of their surroundings it's awful.
>>
Holy shit I fucking hate Onterrible

>tiny bit of rust on rocker panel
>fail inspection

>need to get an appraisal to sell a 20 year old car
>when the only one who determines the value is me and the buyer

>front mounted license plates
>fifty different documents required for one vehicle
>absurd insurance
>absurd sales tax on new cars
>no twisties
>just straight roads
>road salts which might as well be acid

This place sucks, I can't get sent to BC/AB soon enough
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>>15664450
Thank the Provincial Liberal Government for fucking everything up.
>>
Where the fuck are some decent roads to drive on in the GTA? It's all straight grid and it fucking sucks ass.
>>
How cheap/painless is getting a car appraised in Ontario? Do I need to bring the car somewhere or can I do it online somehow? Why the fuck is this even a requirement?
>>
>>15664450
I like Ontarian on /o/ because it remind me that Quebec isn't that awful despite the fact that I live in a shithole
>15% sale tax on everything but basic necessities and book
>so corrupt that it that constructions companies steal material on their contracts and charge extra to replace the one the stole
>displacement taxes for engine over 4l
>>
>>15664450
>no twisties
>just straight roads

I can't fucking THIS hard enough. There are a few stretches here and there but pretty much every time I pass through one of them there's cops always sitting around them
>>
>>15664656
>>15664520
>>15664450
http://www.pfaffauto.com/blog/tag/best-driving-roads-ontario/
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>>15664665
>drive the road between Angus/Alliston at least once per week
>this straight line is good enough to qualify as a "best driving road" in Ontario

Fuck my ass
>>
>>15664450
>BC
No, you don't want to come here. The government-run insurance cartel will rape your wallet. I have minimum coverage + comprehensive with the maximum "experience discount" (read: no under-25 surcharge) and it still costs me $1100/yr.
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>>15664698
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEjYhfpXBoQ
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>>15664698
There are really good roads in Ontario, problem is you need to drive fucking hours on end to get to them up north.

But they are really good.
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>>15664656
Google Hockley Road near Orangeville. It's pretty good as hell.
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http://windingquest.com/
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>>15664615
We're pretty close to you with the sales tax in Ontario too.
>13% sales tax on everything more than $5

This likely applies all of Canada because of the autistic liberal government but my favorite part of Ontario is the fact that you can be ejected from college or uni for "racism" or sexism which is any little thing that makes a woman or minority unhappy. This also becomes a their word vs. yours scenario, in which case they always choose them.
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>>15666231
Is that really a thing?
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>>15664867
Oh that's actually pretty close to where I live.
Why are we racing down this road exactly?
>>
>>15668498
It's relatively bendy, you can YouTube it and see if it's good for you.
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>>15644478
Why is Alaska in Canada's side?
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>>15668912
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