In comparison, the window to body ratio really is somethign

Wtf, I love the modern 3 series now.

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>People keep calling our cars pigfat
>we need to lose some weight
>glass weighs a lot, lets have less glass

>>15642673
kek

ITT: retards who have no idea how cars work thinking they're experts

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>>15642694
It's ok

>>15642705
Are you kids really this shit at driving or just mad you are too poor to afford one? When I'm in my camaro I feel like I'm in a fast as fuck tank. I'm sorry you guys are manlets and can't see over the steering wheel and so shit a driving that you don't know how to drive a vehicle with limited visibility. Go back to drivers ed

>>15642705
Ignoring this retard false flagging >>15642765 the short version is the entire Camaro would have had to be rebuilt and it wouldn't be able to fit its engine if it had windows you could actually see out of.

Shame because the lack of windows is the only reason I won't buy one

>>15642646
Whats the wheelbase of these two cars? Looks the same in the picture but pretty sure thats scaling.

If they're similar, lol at GM.

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>>15642776
>>15642765
>When I'm in my camaro I feel like I'm in a fast as fuck tank

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>>15642646
holy fuck, that makes the 3 look lightweight

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>>15642646
>yfw camaros were designed for Asians

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>>15642776
But the mustang has an engine that's bigger in every dimension and it still seems to have heaps more visibility. Isn't the LS/LT selling point that it is a powerful but compact v8? What part of the design forces them to keep such a high front clip?

>>15642646
lol that literally makes the Camaro look shopped

>>15644782
that's why these /o/ shoops are so great. they open the eyes for people who didn't see the madness in this current design fad before

>>15642765
lmao

>>15642649
Underrated

>>15642646
really makes u think...

>>15642765
I actually own a 2016 2ss, unlike everyone who talks shit. After a few minutes of driving the car off the lot, you couldnt care less about the visibility. The blind zone notifiers are fantastic. It is too bad they dont come on the 1ss.

>>15642646
Damn

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>>15642646
>>15642649
For some reason the luxury brands have nicer proportions on their entry sport-luxury cars

>>15644437
They have a DOHC V6 option. They need height for the engine

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The M4 (or 4-Series) would be a better comparison since they're both coupes

>>15647944

the thing under the camaro looks like it's melting

>>15648011
Motortrend already compared them: the M4 sucks compared to the Camaro

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>>15642646
I don't like modern automotive design trends.

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>>15642646
Dam the top car looks cozy as heck

>>15648655
...on the racetrack and on your wallet maybe

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>>15642646
It's weird because the Camaros look great in person, but the BMW just looks like another bland yuro car.
For me, '90-'00 German cars were the pinnacle of style.

>>15646948
>The blind zone notifiers are fantastic.
WHY DO WE NEED BLIND SPOT NOTIFIERS

HOW ABOUT SOME FUCKING WINDOWS YOU CAN SEE OUT OF, SWEET BABY JESUS FUCKING CHRIST

>>15648831
The interior sucks as well

>>15648831
You know that all memes aside the Giulietta QV smashes the M4? It's really not the benchmark any more, that's the C63

>>15648881
can you stop oppressing people please?

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>Guys how do we make our car look modern?
>LETS GET RID OF THE WINDOWS!
>But the driver needs to be able to see, Steve!
>NO, LETS GET RID OF THE WINDOWS!

>>15648881
>>15649000
t. mr. manlets

>>15649037

>only tall people can see out of camaros

actually anyone can, thanks to the seating position being so high in order to appeal to its market: ageing boomers with bad knees who cant get into actual low sporty cars anymore

>>15649086
That's the target audience for almost all expensive cars since boomers are the ones with money to blow

Except for exotic supercars, those are bought by 20-something-year-old sons of Arab oil sheiks

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>>15649000
WHERE DID IT GO SO WRONG

>>15646948
I'm a manlet and I actually feel pretty claustrophobic in a Camaro. The A pillars are fucking gigantic.

>>15648881
Why drive? Just walk you fucking sperg

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>>15648870
Because it is just another bland euro car, and /o/ has terminal shit(box) taste.

>>15644437
Can you seriously not tell the Mustang just has a higher roof and actually higher doors? Get a crossover if you just want to sit really high like a soccer mom.

The Camaro is slightly high sided but mostly it's 3" lower with a shorter, flatter roof. Which is normally more appealing unless your brown, Asian, or your life is consumed with memes. It looks fucking stupid with a sedan sized roof.

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>>15648977
>Giulietta QV
I don't know what that obvious FWD french shit is.
>>15648950
Better than the Camaro x1000, you've never sat in both.

>>15651213
>muh camaro is better since it's lower and has better center of gravity and stuff
>actual racecar has better visibility

>>15642765
>when I'm in my camaro I feel like I'm in a fast as fuck tank
>I think my camaro is fast as fuck

I'm sorry that you think your camaro is fast. It's a shame that the cousinfuckers will never be in a fast car.

>>15651213
So wanting to see outside of the car makes me a soccer mom? Rear visibility is whatever, mirrors are fine. But I truly enjoy seeing out the front. I think it's a great feature.

>>15649143
I'm 5'4 manlet and i feel fine in the car. People complaining about the windows should just settle for the inferior mustang and shut up.

>>15642646
kek

>>15647944
Even though the IS is the ugly-duckling, I would still go for it.

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>>15647944
>not including the C-class, arguably the best looking of the entry sedans this year

>>15642673
>filters

>>15651365
And neither have you

But still
>$80k car
>cloth seats from a base model 3 series

>>15651641
t. bus rider

>>15651641
If you lost a war against your retarded cousin, what does that make you? A super retard or something?

>>15654145
>someone dislikes a car I like
>Le bus rider! BTFO!

>>15652913
Agreed. Sat it in a base model C-Class last week and it honestly felt more expensive than it is.

>>15654646
There's a difference between disliking a car and straight up lying about it. The Camaro is not slow.

>Inb4 but compared to a million dollar car blah blah blah

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>>15642765

>>15654659
What are you implying?

>>15654668
hes implying a blind spot

>>15654674
He shouldn't blame the car because he doesn't know how to drive and is a manlet

>>15642765
All the drivers education in the world won't give you godlike spatial awareness

I can only recommend becoming a commercial truck driver for five years to get the practice in

>>15654720

camaros really aren't that bad

just make sure you use your mirrors and there shouldn't be any issues

out of all the cars on the road, i've never had a camaro change lanes into me. but there have been several SUVs, minivans, etc, all cars with massive greenhouses

>>15654736
You want me to learn how to use my mirrors? Are you kidding me? You realize how much work it is to turn my head slightly, I am 5 foot 5 and can't even see over the steering wheel!!! All cars should be like smart cars but with bigger windows and sensors all over it so I don't have to turn my head

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>>15642646
Am I the only one around here who likes cars with smaller windows?

Is this the thread where poorfags meme about cars they can't afford?

look at all those faggots coming out of the woodwork

>>15654658
Out of the pony cars, it is the absolute slowest. Even the new zl1, with the most powerful production engine GM has ever built (650 hp) is not as powerful as the gt500 from 2013 or the hellcat. It seems like GM has realized that no matter what they put out, fanboys will eat it up and praise it as the greatest thing ever built.

>>15654841
yes

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>>15654841
It used to be cool
Until the belt line became a neck line
Shits uncalled for at this point

I love coupes with no B pillar but why are the windows 7 inches tall?

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can you dog even fit its head out of this back window?

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>>15656216
S coupe is realy pushing it. Impossible to not look like manlet in that car.

btw, no b pillar is pure sex

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>>15656266
my old CL600
pretty top tier
also the older 850 bmws pretty good

>>15656312
Looks really nice. What do you dd now?

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>>15656347
03 S600 and a FRC corvette

>>15642765
/thread

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>>15651641
Your miata will never be as cool or as good as a camaro.

>>15642765
Why would you want a tank? Tanks are slower than cars, have inferior touge ability.

>>15656366
She looks neat brotha.

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>>15642646

>>15655810
0/10


>>15656448
Did I not say fast as fuck tank? Learn2read

>>15656492
So who would win? The mustang being weighed down by a 400 pound man or the camaro being driven by a manlet who should be driving a smart car

>>15654857
Fucking lost

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>>15657530
camaro still has the better performance metrics

>>15657630
Did they died?

>>15657521
>he lives in reality
>therefore he must be a troll!

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>>15642705
>Fast
>Camaro
>Tank


Wachu smoking nigger?

>>15658108
>Camaro is the slowest
>Hes not trolling

Are you another retard or a samefag?

>>15657630
lol that their hair stays on fire from the massive amount of products

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>>15655810
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kG6veF_34QE

>>15658224
In terms of the best one you can buy, aka the absolute best the engineers could do with their respective companies, the Camaro is, in fact, the slowest. The gt500 topped 650 hp in 2013, and the hellcats topped 700 (I know, """""707""""") 2 years ago, and the camaro is just now reaching 650. That means it is literally years behind Ford and Dodge (especially when you factor in le 2 valves and le pushrod memes). But I will concede that when you go down to base poorfag models, the camaro is the best value. I would still take the Mustang though, since I rather dislike my cousin's mullet.

>>15658505
>I dont know what power to weight ratio is

You forget the challanger is an obese piece of shit. See >>15658379

>>15649122
Ugly asf

>>15658516
As for you, I'm well aware of power to rate ratio.

Camaro zl1: 5.9 hp/pound
Hellcat: 6.29 hp/pound
GT350R: 6.9 hp/pound

You were saying?
>>15658379
So you think that a tesla is a pony car? Did you not read the first 4 words? Everyone knows that a tesla is quicker than all the pony/muscle cars. Have you seen the video of one raping a McLaren?

>>15642649
>>15648655
The current M3/M4 look pretty nice, but they're damn mediocre to drive. I worked for a BMW tuner until last year and we had one of the first F80s in NA, and all of us were totally let down by the experience. Damn fast, but you'd hardly know it from the driver's seat.

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>>15658573
>Camaro zl1
>basing it off the 2015 and not 2017

kys

>>15658656
>gmfangggrl so mad she had to fake lap times

>>15658656
Oops! My mistake. Since I couldn't find an official curb weight for 2017, I'll just take Chevy's word and say it lost 200 pounds.

The 2015 weighed 4,374 pounds. Take 200 off that you get 4,174 pounds. Divide that by """""""" 650"""""""" hp, you get 6.421 hp/pound. Which, I concede, means it's power to weight ratio is better than the 2 year old dodge. Congrats, you've made me prove to myself that chevy could've competed excellently 2 years ago.

>>15658656
Oh and also:

>posting completely unrelated lap times

>>15658379
That poor Challenger has probably the most incompetent driver I've ever seen in a drag video. And I hate drag videos, so it's not like I'm looking for them.

>>15658692
god damn that's heavy. What happened to the days of the 1.5 tonners?

>>15658692
How about you compare it to the corvette since you can get a corvette cheaper than a hellcat and gt500 faggot

>NO CUZ DIN I'LL LOSE!!!

>>15642765
>newfags falling for obvious bait

At least summer is over soon

>>15660281
1. you're just as bad as those faggots on videos of gtrs losing who say "WELL IF YOU PUT AN ALPHA 12 TUNE ON IT IT WOULD WIN!!!!!!!!"

2. Fine. I wonder if we put each company's best car, I wonder which would win: Corvette Z06, Viper ACR, or Ford GT?

>>15648655
>Cucktrend.

R&T or C&D faggot.

>>15660291
>implying pretending to be poor is a bait anymore

>>15660526
>Each companies best car

What is price point retard. Im comparing a 55k corvette to a 60k hellcat and gt500. I may as well sat the hellcat is a slow piece of shit cause lambo, never mind it costs 10 times the price

>>15660657
The one that costs 55k is the stingray, which the hellcat and gt350r rape. However, if you compare them with the Z06+z07 package, then yes, the corvette would win every comparison, but since they are in two different segments, then they aren't comparable. That's why I posted the "each company's best car" thing, since the GT is in a different segment and therefore incomparable. Do you understand now, spongebob?

>>15660838
No they dont you cuck, gt500 and hellcat get high 3s while the base corvette gets mid 3s. Stop lying to yourself

>>15660910
>posting 0-60 instead of lap times

Oh boy

>>15661526
>The challenger and mustang can turn

Are you fucking retarded?

>>15662078
The gt350 sure can. Now, since you decided to bring up the corvette, I vote we bring up the viper ACR. I wonder, which is fastest around a track?

>>15656492
They really need to change their tires, no wonder camaros lose their traction

>>15662257
>I dont want to compare a 55K car to a 60+k car cause my 60+k car loses so let me bring in a 100+k car

kys

car for low-brows?