Only two brands worth buying

I'd add Honda and porsche too

>>15612771
>memelaptimes
Show me your race car on the track.
Oh wait... no car bench racer

>>15612745
>Mazda
>worth buying

Toppest lel.

>>15612771

I`m surprised how not pigfat the new Miata is. Say what you want, Mazda is still doing good. Nu-Toyota on the other hand,,,,

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>>15612785
>not wanting 40mpg, tight handling, good looks, and solid reliability
Its like youre not a car enthusiast

MR2 vs mx-5

you must choose only one.

>>15612800
I enjoyed my AW11 and sw20 more than my MX5

>>15612800
s2000

>>15612811
>snap oversteer
S2000 a shit
And yes ive driven many of them when i worked at honda

>>15612776
>>15612788
Damage control

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>>15612797
HEY YOU KNOW WHATS A GREAT IDEA
MAKING ALL OUR INTERIORS LOOK THE SAME, FROM THE LOWEST TIER ECONOBOX TO OUR FUN SPORTS CARS
YEAH MAN WOOOO
OBNOXIOUS IPADSSSSSSSSSSSSS

remember when companies put effort into low budget interiors?
>>15612819
I'm sorry but the s2000 is objectively better to drive than the modern miata and gt86 and the mr2s

>>15612797
Its not an enthusiast car, its mostly for soccer moms

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>>15612797
Sounds like you want an appliance car that will rust to pieces in 5 years.

>caring about mpg's
It's almost like you're not an enthusiast.

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I will never buy anything else but a BMW or Mercedes in my life. The rest is just pointless

>>15612835

Enjoy your cuckmobile.

>>15612829
>rust
This is user error

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>>15612826
The fuck you on about?
Also the S2000 is not objectively better. Youre just a fanboy shit poster who cant deal
>>15612828
You wut?
>>15612829
>rust meme
>only an issue on the first year of the first gen in certain climates
Lol try harder. Post pics of your geo metro btw. I wanna see your mpg car

>>15612848
The s2000 is objectively better. I have no idea how delusional a person can be to not agree
the gt86 and miata feel like shit in comparison

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>>15612835
>slower than a corolla

>>15612858
Ive driven all three.
The S2000 is shit.
>lol no power till 20,000 rpm
May as well get a motorcycle
Its not even useable as a DD

>>15612835
For modern cars I'd actually have to agree.

>>15612866
Who gives a fuck? I have owned all three of these cars. The s2000 feels better than a tuned gt86.

>>15612866
My cousin has a s2000. He DDs it for 3 years now.
Never had problem and always ran great.
And 9k rpms are fucking evil combined with vtec sound.

Never drove it myself though, but I did drive a miata once. Its about as "great" as driving my current shitbox peugeot 106. Slow as fuck but funky on the handling. But thats it.

>>15612877
>modern bmw
Really?
Wow

>I bought a nipmobile cause its [s] cheapest [/s] the best car ever made
you weebs are a entertaining bunch

>>15612881
The miata love is fucking mostly hype and delusion
it does not handle better than any other extremely light weight car

>>15612878
>I have owned all three
>>15612881
>My cousin
Kek sure thing

>>15612892
What else is there to buy for the car enthusiast these days

>>15612896
>you're wrong because I say so

More people agree with the s2000 being the better than those other cars, stop being contrarian learn to admit you're wrong.

>>15612745
Nissans aren't bad right?

I could really enjoy owning a S14-B, I think.

>>15612903
>most other people
Not anyone ive talked to
An S2000 is annoying to drive unless youre full throttle all the time.

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>>15612899
>toyota and mazda make the only enthusiast cars
wew lad, you hear that people? throw away your BMW, mercs audis alfas cause aparently Japs are the only ones making good cars

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>>15612884
this BMW has slowly become the worst of the 3 big German luxury manufacturers
>pic related obviously #1

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>>15612905
Nissans are shit m8. Terrible build quality and cheap out on important parts

>>15612907
I mean, how are those cars for the enthusiast?
>implying I said toyota and mazda make the only enthusiast cars

>>15612745
THE ONLY TWO BRANDS THAT ARE CANCER

>>15612907
He didnt say that
>german cars
>enthusiast
Kek
More like delousionists

>>15612906
Well. You're wrong. Your need for low end grunt is what has caused all the cars we get to be complete dog shit. Congrats.
Don't buy a sports car for comfort.

>>15612907
The only mass production German car manufacturer making enthusiast cars is Porsche

>>15612924
>Well. You're wrong cuz i say so!!!!

>>15612908
BMWs are still more sporty than Mercedes and Audi is shit.
>>15612923
If anyone, you're deluded here.
The M2 is one of the best new drivers cars you can buy

>>15612933
>>15612933
Yeah. Grow up dude. Losing your shit over nothing. I'm done here. You're not an enthusiast.

>>15612923
I just throw some random names, I didn't specified these had to be German which is the opposite of what this board has become which is basically

>jerk off to weeb cars
>spam about weeb cars being the only choice
>ignoring the whole automotive world cause WEEBCARS!
>WEEB
>WEEB
>WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEB!!

>>15612940
BMW cars are ugly and too luxury to be enthusiast.
>>15612945
It's because almost no other company is making enthusiast cars in such massive quantities .

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>>15612913
they could have redeemed themselves but they decided it would be better to scrap it and then make the next Z a crossover

>>15612941
>calls him self a car enthusiast.
>is narrow minded as fuck
If thats what being an enthisiast is. Ill pass.

>>15612945
>i have no argument so ill make a strawman

>>15612940
>M2 is one of the best new drivers cars you can buy
Is it a sports car?
Is it a luxury car?
Is it a touring car?
No one knows
And thats why bmw sucks.
That and sub par reliability

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>>15612954
Too luxurious to be enthusiast cars?
How is the 3 or 2 series "too luxurious"?
And because a car is ugly it cant be an enthusiasts cars jesus fuck youre absolutely retarded

>>15612954
>It's because almost no other company is making enthusiast cars in such massive quantities .
define what makes an "enthusiast car" and what does mass quantity have to do with it

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>>15612940
>more sporty
you expect me to take you seriously with that 3rd grade writing

>>15612978
Light weight, good feedback, an engine with fun behavior (not necessarily power) a fun solid gearbox

>>15612965
It's a sports coupe you imbecile.

>>15612973
If a Civic Type R isn't a sports car than neither is a 3 or 2 series

>>15612978
Not him, but.
>enthusiasm
intense and eager enjoyment, interest, or approval.

Not sure why everyone on /o/ thinks you can only be enthusiastic about certain cars

>>15612985
"fun" is subjective you stupid shit

>>15612973
It's too fucking heavy and disconnected from the road to be an enthusiast car.

>>15612954
>BMW cars are ugly
dude, japs make the worst looking cars since for ever, what the fuck are you talking about? and since when is luxury a no-no in a "enthusiast car"

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>>15612987
I would NEVER classify it as that.
Nor would anyone else

>>15612998
Not an argument.
>attacking a tiny part of a post instead of the overall argument
>>15613002
They're all ugly after E30

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>>15612915
Mazda has no 200hp at its current line up. How can they be enthusiasts cars whrn theyre slow garbage?
Never heard of enthusiast giving a shit about muh placebo eempeegee

>>15613001
>disconnected from the road
kek, you're fucking clueless.
BMW M cars have always had the best steering feel and the best road feel, that's why it has grown a huge enthusiast community.
You're just close minded

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>Toyota in 2016

>>15612745
they've both made a handful worth buying since 1979 but been mostly churning out nondescript appliances.
but that could apply to almost every mass market manufacturer so what makes these two special? nothing

>>15613015
>giant family sedan within less than a second of a hot hatch meant for performance
Based mazda

>>15613015
enthusiast=/= power and speed

>>15613015
>needing power and speed to get to work
Or do you work as a race car driver?

>>15612985
>Light weight
wrong, it doesnt have to be a featherweight to be enjoyable
good feedback,
k
>an engine with fun behavior (not necessarily power)
k
>a fun solid gearbox
whatever that means

there is a fuckton of other cars that fill those cathegories and are not weebmobiles

>>15613016
You're just a fanboy who has no experience. I understand. I was 16 once too.

>>15612788
>ND transmission failures
>doing good

>>15613037
You're just being dismissive for no reason. What's your problem? If you don't know what it means then you shouldn't be in this argument
>admitting ignorance in an argument
This is fucking 101 shit. Now I can just call you an idiot.

>>15612788
>mazda says they're too mature to make any more mazdaspeeds
>doing good

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>>15613008
>their all ugly after the E30
gotta argue the E46 and E39 were bretty good but after that absolutely

>>15613040
they're just glad to finally have an engine making the torque to do that (all 150lbft of it)

>>15613037
>Ignoring the truth just to argue
>>15612995

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>>15613023
>[modern car design intensifies]

>>15613046
>mazda says the speed line will return, as well as rotary, as well as a rwd lineup
The news has more than negative things you can use to troll

>>15613047
That stuff gets praise and I respect it for the time but it just looks like a boring sedan to me and then you get that awful modern BMW front end.
I can understand the understated appeal of the e46 and e39

>>15613055
looks fast though

>>15613007
The E46 M3 weighs the same and it's literally one of the best drivers cars of all time.
Because a car weighs over 3000lbs it isn't a "sporty"?
http://www.driving.co.uk/car-reviews/the-clarkson-review-2016-bmw-m2/
>>15613038
You're clueless, go drive something else other than Jap shitboxes once in your life.

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>>15613077
Typical bmw cuck

>>15613077
sporty doesn't mean enthusiast. sporty is the lifestyle compromise people talk themselves into to feel better.

and it's not about the weight its about the car.
a GT350R is an enthusiast car, your car isn't

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>>15613077
>The E46 M3
>literally one of the best drivers cars of all time.

>>15613089
yeah tell us about it, how the M2 is not an enthusiasts car, genuinely curious
Is it because it lacks power?
Worse price per lap time ratio?

>>15613077
I don't think you understand
CARS THAT MAKE THE PENIS FEEL GOOD ARE ENTHUSIAST.

>>15613105
it doesnt feel good
when i look at an m2 my heart doesnt go fast
when i drive an m2 my penis doesnt get hard
fast? sure
but it doesnt feel good

>>15613102
yeah, your muscle car is not a better drivers car

>>15613126
Wheres your drivers car?
Since youre defending them this hard.
Do you have an M2?

>>15613126
Have you driven one? It's fucking phenomenal , and it can turn now

>>15613126
Luxury car is not sports car and is therefor not enthusiast car

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>paul walker loved M3s, obviously he was a typical BMW cuck and not a real enthusiast!

>>15613151
Relax dude

>>15613126
Did I say it was? It is though, and it's not close. It has no power anything, no accessories, weighs 2700lbs, and was raced extensively in stock form. The E46 M3 is a pseudo luxury car made for commuting. If you want to call the E30 M3 a drivers car I'd agree, but that was the last one BMW made aside from the unobtainium GTS cars.

>>15613135
I have a superior car - an E36 M3 aka the best handling car in America of the 90's
>>15613146
In that case Porsche has not made a single production sports car or enthusiasts car, wow

>>15613166
wasnt that beaten by a honda prelude

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>>15613151
>people get enthusiastic about geo metros
>entire forums dedicated to them
But not an enthusiast car right?

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>>15613166
>In that case Porsche has not made a single production sports car or enthusiasts car, wow
Just going off the rules you set
Yeah
>e36m3
Lol slower than a corolla

>>15613163
The E46 M3 was heavy-ish but it was purely made for driving pleasure (and it does it damn well)
There is a reason they're still very popular track cars with stripped interiors
I can't find a single flaw on a 6 speed E46 M3 coupe, except that it's not as reliable as a Corolla
>>15613190
even if it is slower, so what?
weren't you people saying earlier that a cars speed and power doesn't define its "enthusiast-ness" i.e a car doesnt need to be fast and powerful to be fun?

Integra Type R > any BMW
any fucking day of the week

>>15613212
now thats a stretch, or is this just another FF maymay

>>15613163
oh and the E30 M3 isn't even so good in terms of driving pleasure - it's dated, the steering feel isn't so good, the suspension and everything >>15613212
is just outdated.

>>15613212
nah, any 80s or 90s bimmer would be better

>>15613218
>>15613224
The ITR makes my dick hard
BMW doesn't.

>>15612745
Shitposting: the thread

>>15613065
No, they aren't. There were rumors about it, but earlier this year the CEO noxed the idea of a mazdaspeed in the near future. The RX successor is still on backburner.

>>15612771
Honestly, I think they messed up on the Miata. There is something about it that just isn't like the older ones. But, I also think that this lap time shit is just pointless.

>>15612750
Lololololol yea right

>>15612835
Wow... you like paying more money for just a nameplate huh? Richfag

I would definitely be interested in a Mazda. How many miles can you put on em?

>>15614666
nameplate? whut

>>15614689
Err brand.

>>15613177
if i could find a geo metro like that id own one, but all the ones i see are trashed out or hillbillied.

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BMW BTFO

>>15613224
If a type r is outdated an e30 is more outdated mate

Serious questions I have for you guys. Why do most people say the cabin noises of Mazda on highways is really loud and secondly is the CX 3 just a lifted Mazda 3 in terms of space and size? I want something around the same size as a 3 but with a bad lower back injury its hard to bend down to get into a car that sits barely off the road. Also do they handle winters really well?

>>15612806
there was something mechanically wrong with your mx5

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>Still no new MS3

>>15615337
yeah I was talking about the E30, made a reply by accident
the E30 is great but overrated, it doesn't even handle that well compared to an E46 stock for stock

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change toyota for Ford or Nissan and your golden

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>>15612955
>hfw he scrapped it to make shitty shitboxes

>>15613023
LOL nice chop faggot

>>15613023
I saw one of these the other day for the first time and i seriously had to do a double take.
Who the fuck thought this was a good design.

>>15612745

Two car companys that have become shitbox the brands. Neither make anything new or exciting anymore.

Mazda's are ecoboxs with good handling, and toyota is corolla and bigger corolla's

>>15615864
Like no roo?

>>15613166
>E36 M3 aka the best handling car in America of the 90's

According to who, BMW?

Drinking too much of dat kool aid, boy?

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>>15618355
lol get a load of this faggot

>>15612955
They never intended to make it. Nissan were just too butthurt when Toyobaru were getting all the attention for the pre-production twins concept, they simply built a "me too!" concept to try and garner some fleeting attention.
tl,dr; Nissan are butthurt faggots. literally the receivers in a faggot sexual relationship.

Guys I want to buy a Mazda RX 7 and put a 2jz engine in it? Should I or is it completely retarded?

>>15618527
yes, it is completely retarded, see >>15613267

new mazda is crap

toyota, subaru and korean cars are the only one worths it

>>15618501
>rx7 beats all of them to this day
>not even in the lineup
Wew