What modern cars are fun/easy to wrench on?

honda fit

>>15596873
None. You are going to need extensive special service tools for diagnostics.

>>15596873
What you're looking for is called a motorcycle.

Wrenching in general is not fun, unless you're a Masochist. I only do it becuase I'd be broke otherwise.

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>>15596891
It's really not THAT expensive, especially if you look for them on sale around christma/black friday/back to school sales (Sears and Harbor Freight put all kinds of shit on sale for VoTec kids going back to school)

Having a proper scanner is just another tool you need, like a decent jack or set of sockets

>>15596910
I wouldn't know that because I haven't wrenched yet.

Okay, what modern cars are easy to wrench on, or at least to preventative maintenance?

>>15596873
>modern
>easy to wrench on
How new are we talking, OP?

>>15596910
>I only do it becuase I'd be broke otherwise.
Amen brother.

>>15596910
>Wrenching in general is not fun, unless you're a Masochist. I only do it becuase I'd be broke otherwise.

bud what

theres nothing more rewarding than putting shit back together under the hood and going out for a rip

Crown vic, technically old but they made them until 2011. Most things are easy to do on them.

>>15596930
Yeah okay. You fucking work on this junk then

>>15596873

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27lWWNGSj4I

>>15596930
Maybe to you, but the physical pain and heartache when shit breaks trying to fix something else, and empty wallet when all is said and done, are not rewarded enough by the car simply doing what it should normally.

It just isn't, I only do it becuase I can, and its 10 times cheaper than just say fuck it and get someone else to do it.

>>15596873
Its not a new car but Ive have found that my 2001 corolla surprising easy to work on. It actually had plenty of room in the engine bay.

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Working on cars is not fun or easy.

>>15597022
>>15597041
>>15597012

Holy shit where did all the pussy numales come from?

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>>15597041
>want to try working on cars
>print off factory manual
>too intimidating, order a Haynes
>doesn't make it look any less easy

Maybe if I had a garage and more than 1 car, I'd give it a shot, but my current career doesn't really make that possible. So fuck it, I'll just other people to do it, tools are expensive af anyway.

>>15597062
Nigger I'm sick of the dumb car culture thing of glamorizing that, it's a pain in the ass and is 90% of the time not rewarding at all.

>>15597068
I dunno, man. I enjoy working on my car. Sure, it's just an '01 Civic, but replacing or changing something gives me a satisfying feeling that makes the car feel just that much more an extension of myself.

>>15597062
oh look another alt-right redpilled wannabe-"alpha" pseudo-boomer bill-whittle worshipping art-of-manliness reading fag, calling someone a numale on 4chan again.

>>15597064
Tools aren't expensive. Just buy the big stanley boxes from walmart, everything you need shouldn't cost more than 100$

if you really wanna save bux go to the flea market

>>15597068
Sounds like you're just a lazy pussy

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K24 is pretty fun.

>>15597084
>>15597087
>hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrr I change my own oil i da gearhead now xDDD

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>>15597062
Says the bus rider.

>>15597085
>oh look another alt-right redpilled wannabe-"alpha" pseudo-boomer bill-whittle worshipping art-of-manliness reading fag, calling someone a numale on 4chan again.

Oh look another skinny jean hipster faggot that takes his car to the dealer for an oil change because it's a free headache lazy nigger numale that can't do anything for himself

>>15597084
blah blah blah dramatization of dumb bullshit
>>15597087
fuck off shithead
I care about driving cars

>>15597085
How much space does a full set of tools take up? As in, everything I'll need for self-maintenance. My AW11 only has a couple cubic feet of room left once I've loaded it up with all my shit (which I have to do when I get posted to another base).

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Honestly everything about the 5th gen SS is easy to work on

>Brake pad swap took less than an hour
>headers and shit took maybe 4 hours
>oil changes are like 30 minutes top
>CAI install took like 15 minutes
>hurst short throw shifter install took about 3 hours

All done by someone who isn't exactly a full on tech. Thinking about buying a supercharger and doing the install myself. Instructions are straight forward and doesn't require any tools I don't have

>>15597103
>he considers changing oil "working" on his car
fuck me you really are a desperate lil numale

>>15597106
>>15597064

>tfw dont know where to get tools
>tfw cant afford all that stuff and jack stands and all that shit
>tfw cant afford to work on my own car and risk fucking up

>>15597068
I agree with you. the least stressful car work I've done is working on my dad's car since I am not in a bind to have it fixed. working on my own cars? nightmare. all I want is my car fixed and if things aren't going right I'm already in ragemode. I own Toyotas for a reason... because I don't want to have to work on them. I'll get an older sporty car when I have some money saved and if its broken I won't be too worried about it.

>>15597135
you can go for a toyota sports car

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How hard is it to work on these?

>>15597140
eh.. maybe. I was thinking an early 00s maxima to be honest. an AW11 would be nice, but I'd want a v6 swapped in it from the Sienna or Camry, but I don't know if I'm capable of it.

>>15597068
Being able to work on your car is always going to be a big part of the culture, just like building/working on your pc is a big part of computer enthusiasm. Enthusiasts should have more knowledge about, interest in, and willingness to mess with things they like than non enthusiasts.

I'll agree though that repairs can be annoying; no one likes it when their stuff is broken, but routine maintenance and upgrades are fun.

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>>15597149
Fuuuuuuck that.

>>15597115
How is it not?

>>15597156
we actually drove an ST before my buddy settled on a MS3. It was actually a fun little car... if it was priced below 20k it would totally be worth it. 27k? nah...

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>>15597087
>>15597062
>>15596930
>>15597084
This. I replaced the headgaskets on my subaru myself, saved about $1000 in the process, and have the satisfaction of knowing that without my hard work/under someone else's ownership, the car would have gone to the junkyard a long time ago. Instead it runs better than new and is now dead reliable because of me. I made this work.

>>15597153
My brother's got an 00 maxima SE 5 speed. I wouldn't want to do an alternator or anything with the rear bank. Fuck transverse v6s. Great car otherwise though.

>>15597115
Are you retarded? Numales are the ones that don't know how to change oil, much less do "actual work" as you say

>>15597163
yeah, ideally I'd like something RWD... but I'd like to stay under 3k as it would be a second car for shits and giggles.

>>15597153
is the GT86 reliable? maybe you can go for a used one
there's also importing a toyota sprinter
there's also the corolla XRS

>>15597163
>Subaru owner
>bloated sense of ego

Checks out.

>>15597174
>>15597159

Uh huh.

>>15597162
>strongly considering buying a Fiesta ST
>and getting the MP215 kit that retains warranty
>and then upgrading to MR265 when factory warranty runs out
>literally going to be spending 30k on a Fiesta

Might be a mistake but a tiny 265hp/272lb-ft hot hatch I can easily fit all my stuff in sounds pretty fun.

>>15597179
I don't know if I'm sold on the 86 yet. the XRS is a matrix right? I'd probably go for the mr2 1st or 2nd gen before I'd look at a matrix desu.

>>15597163

>has to pull entire engine to change headgaskets
>flat 4 so good

look at those massive coolant channels tho

>Fuck transverse v6s
what about a transverse v8? Yeah i agree with you on that i'll take a 4 banger over any fwd v6

>>15597163
>dat can of kroil

muh grease monkey

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>>15597201
the XRS is a corolla with REVS ALL THE WAY TO 'ERE

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>>15597089
My nigga.

>>15597206
shit. that would be fun as fuck. it doesn't have to be fast, just fun.

>>15597218
i like it

>>15596873

Crown Victoria.

>>15597203
You technically can do it with the engine in, it's just a lot easier to do it with it out. At least it's not hard to get a subaru engine out in less than an hour.

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>>15597222
It's a decently quicky get up and go
It's just rare because
>corolla
>sedan
So nobody bought one as they got a Civic Si or Focus SVT instead

Toyota is a fucking expert at putting their best engines into unassuming cars to ensure that the performance car has poor sales and they can make the excuse "SEE!? Nobody wants fast fun cheap cars anymore!"

>>15597227
Thanks. The next thing I plan on doing, besides changing the oil soon, is the rear Hasport mount.

>>15597239
I'll keep my eyes peeled. Appreciate the advice.

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>>15597267
>>15597239

Check out this dank fucking meme

>>15597282
Toyota did this on purpose, the fuckers

Probably why the GT86 is never getting forced induction or a 2.5L

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>all these people saying they don't like to work on cars
Why are you all even here?

>>15597068
I'm putting another vote for "lazy pussy". Also, kill yourself, fag.

>>15597316
because its about driving

>>15597316

Can you write an essay for school or fill out a resume, or job application, Can you run a mile?

Do you enjoy doing any of that? Do you get an overwhelming sense of accomplishment from doing any of that?

No?

Just becuase you can do something doesn't mean its enjoyable.

>>15597341
You're a pussy if you don't work on your own car.

>>15597163
>This. I replaced the headgaskets on my subaru myself, saved about $1000 in the process, and have the satisfaction of knowing that without my hard work/under someone else's ownership, the car would have gone to the junkyard a long time ago. Instead it runs better than new and is now dead reliable because of me. I made this work.
Look ma, an actual auto enthusiast on /o/ and not a normie that's afraid to get her hands dirty!

>>15597320

it's actually about cars, you know aut/o/ short for automobile.

wrenching yourself has and will always be one of the biggest aspects to car culture, it's the people who say they like cars but hasn't touched a single bolt on their own car that disgusts me.

>>15597341
>taking the time to present well-made arguments in writing and working out your body are boring so I don't do it unless my teacher tells me to

Never go full pleb, son.

>>15597364
Are you retarded?

>>15596920
>as he posts a five thousand dollar gas cap torque wrench

>>15597376
its about driving

>>15597341
fucking millennials. something isnt pumping dopamine into your bloodstream every 3.5 seconds like your stupid iphone games so you cant fucking stand it. enjoy being perpetually depressed because youll never actually work for something or do anything actually rewarding in your dumbass life.

>>15597391
If you mean 500$, then sure

>>15597376
Yeah man fuck Jay leno he's not like us at least we work on our civics we're 10x the car enthusiast he is

>>15597395
You're the idiotic millenial that thinks maintaining your car makes you a fucking enthusiast
Fuck off millenial numale, you're so fucking desperate to prove yourself, I have never met a man so insecure.

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>>15597163
>LOL I CHANGE HEADGASKET IM SO GEARHEAD

I bet you didn't deck your heads yourself though did you faggot? That's what I thought.

>we live in an era where people think making sure they're shitboxes still run is some integral part of car enthusiasm
jesus fucking christ
what you people glamorize i call sunday, and its a pain in the ass. because its fucking WORK

>>15597163
You no shit think people junk cars over head gaskets? Because they fucking don't. Couldn't tell you how many head gaskets I've changed at dealer rates on cars with 300,000+ miles.

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>>15597320
Working on your car is 10x what enthusiast do. That ricer with a fart can exhaust he installed himself is more of an enthusiast than you are.

>>15597341
>essay for school
I still enjoy writing.

>resume
I enjoy making resumes really elaborate, my current one has hidden bane posts everywhere.

>job application
Such an insignificant task i don't even feel for it.

>run a mile
I go for a jog every weekend about 5.2 kilometers, it's great when you have music, and early morning air is really nice. Nice to not live in a shit city where the air is polluted as fuck.

You're a faggot numale. Go play your iphone games to feed your short attention span.

>being so poor you can't afford to take your car to the shop to get it fixed

>>15597395
>>15597386
The butthurt is palapable.

>>15597376
Yes it is part of the culture, but it doesn't mean all of us enjoy doing it, we do it becuase one has to.

Do most racecar drivers fix their own racecars?

Fuck no.

Again I'm capable of pulling an engine apart if I have to but, unlike most of you underage faggots here I have a thousand other things that I need to do in the course of a day.

>>15597415
>That ricer with a fart can exhaust he installed himself is more of an enthusiast than you are.
haha what the fuck?
This has to be b8 right
and I love how this guy thinks we can't work on our cars.

>>15597265
Nice I hear good things about that mount. I have the Boomba Racing mount.
Just ordered a CT-e supercharger and AEM CAI. It's my next project.

>>15597396
Sure, I'll ignore the $4500 worth of cock you sucked in trade.

>>15597443
??? Do you even have a real concept of cost?

I bought that Autel setup on black friday last year for a little over 500 dollars, plus 3 years of updates for an extra 100. It didn't/doesn't retail for anywhere near 5K even at full price

You can get the entire kit I have right now on newegg for 1100, and you can catch great sales on these systems all the time:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA2VF3UN0274&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleMKP-PC&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleMKP-PC-_-pla-_-AT+-+Diagnostic+%26+Test+Tools-_-9SIA2VF3UN0274&gclid=Cj0KEQjw_qW9BRCcv-Xc5Jn-26gBEiQAM-iJhQutYYqF0n9mqNDTaGWeNHHVSna4oAheE4EuJyol9XsaAodO8P8HAQ&gclsrc=aw.ds

>>15596873
Mercedes Mechanic here, no I won't claim any Merc to be easy to wrench on...

For easy wrenching, I would have to claim :
-Most trucks that still use full frames.
-Toyota : Corolla, Camry, Yaris, GT86, even the FJ.
-Honda : Civic (obviously), Accord.

... As for the Big three domestics, unfortunately their cars are mostly designed retardedly. Think tightly packed like German cars, but for absolutely no reason.

Most Subarus are fun to wrench on... but when they rust holy shit do they become a pain in the ass.

I'm probably forgetting a shit load as the wine is starting to kick in, but yeah, don't bother wrenching on german vehicles for fun, unless they're older models.

>>15597459
I was giving you a hard time assuming you bought something worth having. I didn't know it was worthless garbage that you could have gotten at vatozone for 35.99 plus the free jumpers for OBDI.

>>15597480
>got called out for being a dumbass
>nu-uh! I was just trolling the whole time!

>>15597486
Not even close, junior. Let the tripfag defend his shitty purchase by himself.

>>15597341
Enjoyment takes effort no matter what you're doing, and no matter what you're doing it's possible to enjoy it. Try harder, pussy.

>>15597477
>... As for the Big three domestics, unfortunately their cars are mostly designed retardedly. Think tightly packed like German cars, but for absolutely no reason.

What are you talking about? My 2000 focus was a breeze to work on, it was as hard as a civic.

Also my 1998 dodge dakota wasn't as bad as other dodge cars, but i guess you already mentioned trucks.

I so far haven't owned an American car younger that 2005 so idk maybe newer ones have gotten too hard to work on.

>>15597493
>Full diagnostics kit
>For only about 500 dollars
>Useless purchase
Confirmed for bus rider.

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>>15597501

>>15597504
>2000 focus
Basically a European car.

>>15597441
It's gonna be long time before I can afford that. Looking at getting a Full Race exhaust next year. Or Xmas.

>>15597418
>Yes it is part of the culture, but it doesn't mean all of us enjoy doing it, we do it becuase one has to.
This. I hate having to fix my shit because it means my shit broke in the first place, meaning I have to figure the stupid thing out to get it to work again. It isn't fun. It is only fun if the fucking thing is working. I only do it to save money and do it right. But fuck working on shit.

>>15597418
>Yes it is part of the culture, but it doesn't mean all of us enjoy doing it, we do it becuase one has to.

ok then i only like wrenching on cars i don't like driving them but i'm a car guy

>>15597393
>its about driving

i'm not saying it isn't, i'm saying there is more to it than just driving and the easiest way to feel satisfaction from this hobby is being able to not be a complete moron and fix his own damn car

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>>15597521
Nice, Full Race is a good exhaust. I like mine + the downpipe.

>>15597531
So then what the fucks your problem?

>>15597504
It's useless because he spent $564 too much. Could have the same from vatozone for next to nothing. On top of the fact that he's a scheister jew used car salesman that would only use those things to know what he's hiding from customers, rather than actual diagnostics to fix problems.

>>15597512
Why are there two different kinds of shoes next to each other right in the middle of all the ducks? I would have to fix that.

>>15597536
Autism and the inability to understand and empathize that having a skill doesn't mean you enjoy using that skill.

A gay man can get a woman pregnant, however does he enjoy it?

>>15597239
I wish I could find one around me for less than an unbelievable price for a corrola.>>15597316
I like the feeling of working on cars in theory, in practice shit fuck god damn cock sucker **torch** mother fucker piece of shit**hammer** god damnit **bigger hammer**.... ten hours later
>Please work better than before

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>>15597532
I was reading about the FR catted downpipe somehow makes the car stupid loud.

>>15597569
It's loud as fuck on a coldstart, but after about 20 seconds it quiets down to about stock loudness but with a much deeper tone. It sounds absolutely wonderful with VTEC though, definitely not too loud for my tastes.

>>15597566
Fucking corroded brake lines.

>>15597477
What civics? I've got the impression 7th gen and above it must be hard because it's so cluttered in there.

>>15597634
All brake lines corrode. Literally all of them.

>>15597648
And they're the worst shit ever to replace.

>>15597625
Ah. I haven't seen a video about it. But damn is it gonna be costly lol. Catback+DP w/ 2k degree coating is $1,200. Then I would need a Flash Pro, so add in $700. Yeah next year.

>>15597653
Not even close. A 2 dollar cutter, 20 dollars worth of metal tubing, and that's a generous amount, couple fittings, and about an hour of work.

Or call the dealer, give VIN, order brake line kit, get all new lines with fittings, two hours to replace. Changing a RWD clutch is WAY more work, and happens three times more often.

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>>15597537
i don't know, i don't have autozone around here. And seeing as the average OBD2 reader, those tiny ones with yellow LCD screens costs around 70 bucks here, 500 for a full kit doesn't sound too crazy.

>>15597566
Idk man, i REALLY like working on cars. I especially like cars that are a pain to work on.

Like that image. You may wonder why I drove it up on bricks instead of jacked it, and the reason is because I tried to jack it and the jack just broke through the rusted underside and jammed itself into the car.

I don't know what people are complaining about, even fucked cars are fun to work on.

>>15597634
Look on the bright side, now you can replace them with steel.

With a simple scan tool, a test light, and a multimeter you can just about diagnosis any car. You just need an understanding of the circuit you are trying to troubleshoot and some time to back probe some connectors to test

>>15597703 I too live in the rust belt.
I had to do a wheel bearing that pressed into the knuckle and spent two hours removing a eclip with all the rust. I broke the needle nose pliers trying to get the thing to pop. Finally got one side out and removed it tire lever style. Then I had to press out, re press and assemble the whole thing again. All in a barn with no heat. Like I said. In theory it is fun.

>>15597752
I had to do a CV axle change in -10 celcius cos my boot was leaking bad and it was gonna break one of these days.

Snow all over my drive way, jack wouldn't stay still because snow was too thick, and it was cold as balls. I couldn't feel my toes or fingers.

I still had fun though so idk what you're talking about. Also it turns out the older CRV has enough torque in the rear diff to be completely RWD.

>>15597406
Nobody decks their own heads dipshit. That's what head shops are for.

>>15597414
They fucking do dude all the time. For every one head gasket you do on a 300k mile car there are ten that are scrapped instead.

>>15597414
I junked a LeSabre because it needed a front wheel hub. Drove it to the salvage yard.
>I got satisfaction watching them toss it around with the pay loader.

Scrapped my s10 because it needed a ton of work.
>Drove it to the salvage yard as well

Mate of mine scrapped a 04 Envoy because it needed a trans.
>He pulled the motor, front diff, and rear diff

>>15598122
Is the point of this post to say that people junk things because they can and have money to buy a new one?

>>15597703

Agreed, satisfaction is had with completing difficult tasks :)

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>>15597163
I feel you on this. I picked up a 99 legacy GT with blown headgaskets from some dumb kid who was gonna scrap it. Rebuilt the engine heads up, only for the fact i have a soft spot for 2nd gen legacys, and boxers are fun engines to work on.

>>15597414
That's fucking retarded, any sane person would either do it themselves or junk it.

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>>15596873
S197 Mustang

I have an '07 GT, just lowered it.
Everything is big and easy to access
The live rear axle made it easy to swap out the rear coils since dropping it decompresses both sides at once.

I work as a service tech for STIHL equipment, and honestly, even that kinda kills working on my car for me. I go home and the last thing I wanna do is turn more wrenches. When I spend an afternoon off working on my car, I almost feel like I wasted my day. I'm sure most mechanics and anyone else in this sort of trade feels similarly, but there doesn't seem to be any of those in this thread. It's either people who have an inflated sense of ego because they can do basic maintenance to their car, or people who are defending their lack of knowledge about wrenching. Fuck the former, I don't blame the ladder.

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>>15598862
Yeah, it's not the ladders fault.

>>15598862
It's because for you it's a job.

I wrench when i want to, even when i have a car that's just completely open in my garage i have two others that are perfectly fine and can move me around until i feel like working on the one in my garage.

In fact that's exactly what's happening right now, my CRV is in the garage while my rogue and corolla move me.

I need to flip this corolla soon, so i gotta finish the CRV.

>>15596873
The 86 twins are actual quite easy despite the plastic covers on everything and the odd inconvenient security bolt.

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>>15597397
Jay Leno was a mechanic before he was a comedian.

>>15597406
I actually fly cut my own head because I didn't want to pay to have it decked at a machine shop. Turned out just fine, although I forgot to measure the height of the head before so I'm not actually sure how much I took off. Hasn't blown up yet, though.