Japanese Engines

>>15510116

No love for the B6ZE? TheCarPassionChannel has definitively proven it can reliably handle 270hp when boosted

>>15510122
lmao a 1uzfe makes more than that stock and unstressed

>>15510116
>Honda B16
Only the jdm ones were good
>Mitsu 4G63
Absolute garbage
>Subaru EJ
Junk
>Mazda 13B
Excellent engine
>Nissan SR20
Absolute garbage
>Toyota 4A-GE
Great design. Terrible output

>>15510116
i pick f20b and beams 3sge and mazda 20b

>>15510122
I picked the ones in the OP because they are the most famous/well known/legendary engines

I don't live in cuckland so we got good versions of these, but
>>Honda B16
8/10
>>Mitsu 4G63
7/10
>>Subaru EJ
4/10
>>Mazda 13B
4/10
>>Nissan SR20
5/10
>>Toyota 4A-GE
7/10

>>15510116
4G63 the GOAT
4A-GE
SR20
B16
13B
EJ

>Japshit

Literally all crap that require thousands of dollars in modifications to get a car to move. You didn't even post a Yamaha creation to save the list.

>>15510147
>Clearly has no idea what he's talking about.

>>15510186
4age is part yamaha

>>15510189
But sadly i do.

Only the 4G63 can handle over 1000HP without exploding after 1/4 mile

>>15510201
after you've removed all the 4g63 parts sure

>>15510207
Nice meme.

>>15510210
Its true though

File: 1318871654479.jpg (98KB, 800x600px) Image search: [Google]

98KB, 800x600px

best in what? reliability, weight, torkz, horses?
i'd automatically remove every boxer engine from the list, mitsubishi ticking bombs and nissan's boat anchors (except for L series, those are super tough). rotaries are also durable if you don't flood them every now and often.

>>15510210
>i'm just gonna repeat something other people say even though it makes no sense in this instance
idiot

>>15510196
>I managed the embarassing feat of destroying an SR20, therefore it is garbage.
No, you are garbage.

>>15510222
Best overall

Power, torque, reliability, weight, technology, efficiency, sound, response, anything

>>15510232
SR20s destroy themselves just fine without me.
CA18 is far better
Nissan on a whole makes terrible engines though.

>>15510237
Affordability as well. Otherwise we start getting into weird million dollar territory.

>>15510237
>>15510248
i don't think there's such thing. every engine has its ups and downs, if there were such a perfect engine i'm sure everyone would have one or try to copy it. pick your best engine, it's all subjective.

>>15510237
you need to list every single attribute you want anons to consider otherwise judgements will either be based some irrelevant shit or fail to take into consideration important stuff.

>>15510216
It's not. For 1000HP you can keep the stock shortblock.
>>15510226
Ok nigga, just stay out of these.

>>15510262
Obviously it's subjective, and obviously an engine can't be the best in class at everything. I'm asking which is the best when you average all the factors?

File: 1469414358668_2.png (2MB, 1491x938px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 1491x938px

Hey a jap engine thread. I dont know shit from fuck aboutem. Maybe ill learn something.
>click

>>15510122
>>15510147
>>15510186
>>15510207
>>15510222

Welp that went exactly how i thought it would go. Ima go back to my v8 now.

>>15510284
>I'm asking which is the best when you average all the factors?
vtech yo

>No 1/2JZ

If you look around, drift mechanics at Japan's best tracks pretty much rate these the best and see customers time and time again realise the hard way

SR/CA's are weak as shit and blow up, and RBs are too much effort

File: ls2.jpg (32KB, 515x386px) Image search: [Google]

32KB, 515x386px

>>15510116
why even discuss lolnotorque engines?
it's like you don't even want to win races

File: AE86Meet-22.jpg (168KB, 672x448px) Image search: [Google]

168KB, 672x448px

>>15510116
>tfw out of those six I've only experienced the 4age (silvertop and bluetop), sr20det, and a naturally aspirated ej25

have you guys really driven with all these engines?

>>15510349
>caring about the torque meme

Hot to spot a retarded amerilard.

>>15510146
this post is sadly underrated. Its a japanese v8 you fucking i4 cucks

>EJ is bad meme
The stagnation and fact Subaru could do better upsets me too but let's be real. It's a decently reliable 20 year old engine making decent power.
Not being excellent doesn't make something shit.

B16
4AGE
4G63
SR20
EJ
13B

>>15510370
That's probably the only nipshit engine i'd ever consider... if LS didn't exists.

>>15510397
the only special thing about it was the fact it's a boxer
otherwise it's pretty average in all areas

>not sticking a 2zz into an AW11

>>15510147
>I am a rotard and I like to show it in every opportunity

File: S7301024.jpg (86KB, 800x600px) Image search: [Google]

86KB, 800x600px

>>15510426
>2ZZ
I think you mean 1MZ-FE

>>15510437
>wahhhh wahhhhhhh

Kill yourself pistontard.

The problem with ranking Jap shit is that they are all the same.

It's fun to argue huge displacement v8s vs 6 cyl turbos, but it's boring as shit to argue which Jap engine burns the leanest or lasts the longest.

>>15510418
A used 1uz is so cheap though its becoming a thing to swap them into non toyotas.

Its just offensive to see a bunch of weebs bragging about i4s like its the only type of engine the japanese make.

Its like showing off your daggers when you have a genuine antique claymore in the back.

>>15510116
But those are all trash except for the b16.

>>15510460
you use a ovoid triangular piston fuckstick, its not a rotor.

>>15510465
>The problem with ranking Jap shit is that they are all the same.


not as bad as burger V8s
the most boring engines on the planet

File: 1401098137438.jpg (116KB, 1024x768px) Image search: [Google]

116KB, 1024x768px

>>15510426
>>15510444
>not BEAMS

Plebeians

>>15510494
>not two fucking rockets

https://youtu.be/qMIKfz-LCTU

>>15510506
Those are jets, dumbass

>no ecoboost

>>15510534
Wrong, they're actually turboshafts, dumbass

>>15510552
Ecoboost is basically derived from Mazda like MZR and whatnot or so I've heard so you could probably put them on the list.

>>15510116
Good job forgetting about 3S-GE

>>15510116

Anyone know anything about the 5E-FHE?

Found a Turbocharged Sera near my base and looking to buy it but not sure about the engine.

>>15510247
>CA18 is far better.
kek

feelings about the 22RTE?

>>15510494
Should I put this in my AW11?

>>15510116
20B better than all of them.

>>15510702
sure why not? do you have a reason not to?

>>15510713
I've never wrenched

>>15510762
get some friends and dig in. one of them can help you

>>15510116
Why no love for the engines like the d series, k series, and the h series (h22 <3).

>>15510665
Don't know alot about the tarbo version, but the 22r is a super solid engine.... but makes little power. Not a bad thing though.

>>15510781
thats what i get a lot. there was a 4 runner turbo that rusted in the pick and pull but someone already tore off the turbo

it probably needed a total rebuild

>>15510116
>>Honda B16
>>Toyota 4A-GE
Both classics, but easily exclipsed by modern engines.
>>Subaru EJ
Two headgaskets, two failure points.
>>Mazda 13B
Rotary. Love it or hate it, it can be a good engine.
>>Nissan SR20
The easy 400hp engine. Not worth much after that though, if you actually like a powerband. Also, useless without a turbo, and heavy.
>>Mitsu 4G63
Best out of your list.

>>Honda K20/K24
Best current JDM inline four.

>>15510326
Sure, but JZ's are the heaviest, lardiest Jap engine i can think of, with the most ridiculous weight distribution.

>>15510421
>the only special thing about it was the fact it's a boxer
Which makes it a bitch to fit into anything but a Subaru or a Beetle.

File: xr6t47.jpg (310KB, 799x787px) Image search: [Google]

310KB, 799x787px

which jap engine is closest to the barra?

>>15510832
2JZ
>heavy
>inline 6
>turbo
>low redline
>sturdy stock internals

>>15510560
... which are jets.

t. aircraft mechanic

Why did OP pick the best Mitsu engine and the inferior/not even a 4 cylinder option for half the others?

Ranking actually good 4 banger engines:
>Honda F20C
Highest specific output by far, strongest rotating assembly with forged internals, only drawback is no turbo
>Mitsu 4G63T
Built like a brick shithouse if you get the correct version. Good aftermarket.
>Toyota 3S-GTE
Like the 4G63, but with a shittier aftermarket and less good versions. Rev. 3/4 are god-tier, rev. 1/2 are shit.
>Nissan SR20
The GTiR version is a bit better, but they're still not spectacular. Muh rockers. Saving grace is the aftermarket, which isn't really anything to do with the inherent quality of the engine. Nissan has better 4 cyls but they're not from the general time period the rest of these engines are.
>Subaru EJ
Nothing special about it at all. Stupid layout. Various recognized problems. I guess it's impressive that they're still using it, but it could be better.
>Mazda BPT
Not bad, but less good than the rest of these. Low specific output and no aftermarket. Stock they're quite limited.

But to answer OP's specific question:
>4G63
>13B
>SR20
>EJ
>4AGE and B16 tied

File: Mazda_rotary_engine.jpg (566KB, 2272x1704px) Image search: [Google]

566KB, 2272x1704px

13b GOAT

File: heh.png (76KB, 1585x1527px) Image search: [Google]

76KB, 1585x1527px

>>15510560
>turboshafts
>turbines
>rockets ever having turbines

>>15510997
>>15510859
>>15510560
>>15510534
>>15510506
they're alternators you fucking morons

Mazda won Le mans with two 13bs stuck together
Every other engine mentioned itt has never won Le mans
Gg

File: Muffller bearings.jpg (29KB, 640x480px) Image search: [Google]

29KB, 640x480px

>>15511065
>he takes /o/ seriously

It's muffler bearings, shitcunt

>>15510832
1fz or tb42

>>15511095
well, obviously the 787 would win, but that's literally a dedicated, designed race motor.

I've never seen 1000hp 1UZs but I have seen 1000hp 4g63s, 13b, b18 etc. Maybe there is no correlation.

>>15511192
wouldn't surprise me if there's a 1000hp UZ in an arab landcruiser for dune racing

File: 1uz_twin_turbo.jpg (116KB, 1024x768px) Image search: [Google]

116KB, 1024x768px

>>15511192
IIRC there was a 800+ HP 1UZ many moons ago.

Yup
>http://www.clublexus.com/forums/sc-1st-gen-1992-2000/47324-800-hp-twin-turbo-1uz-fe.html

File: G16B Engine.jpg (228KB, 776x582px) Image search: [Google]

228KB, 776x582px

>>15510116
time for some g16b love.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qC1Su_VVtd4

>>15511648
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECgaXdiY6V4

B16 and i dont even like hondas much. Then my next choice would be 4g63. Never exposed much to the others.

>>15510122
>reliably handle 270hp when boosted

that's not shit retard

>>15510354
They haven't, they're just benchracing.

>>15510116
From best to worst, NA

>13B
>4A-GE/B16 (tied)
>jam the remainder in

FI

>4G63T
>EJ25T (STi barely loses to the Evo)
>13B (twin turbo REW)
>SR20DET (Spec R is cool, takes a fair bit of power will still being good to daily, easier to live with than an Evo VI or GC8 STi)
>B16, all those turbo Civic vids on 1320
>4A-GE

I've owned the SR20DET, VG30DE, EJ20, 22r, Mazda B6, and worked on the 13B and 1uz. For surviving the apocalypse, I'd like a 22r. For everything else I'd pick the SR20. I'd love the 1uz more but the aftermarket support for it is virtually nonexistent. I kinda liked them all in their own way.

>>15514157
I like 22r but the timing chain on that car is a bitch

>>15510122
>B6ZE?
because its shit maybe?

>>15510116
1ZZ-FE reigns supreme

>>15510186
>small displacement engines all under 2.5L need more work for high hp compared to a 5.7 liter v8
no shit?

>>15510116
Honda k20 > all

>>15516189
dagumi please

>>15516189
Early 1ZZ burns oil m8, not that great of an engine. The later ones are alright though

> 1uz
Head studs, 6 bolt main bearing caps, heavy duty rods. Can be built into a itb track car or a turbo drag car with factory internals. All the really hard engineering already done for you

What do you think of the first generation GSX1300R motor? Seems like a solid engine for light projects.

File: image.jpg (79KB, 1280x720px) Image search: [Google]

79KB, 1280x720px

>>15517250
Those are certified for aircraft use iirc
pic somewhat related but not really

File: dorito_sketch.jpg (250KB, 900x866px) Image search: [Google]

250KB, 900x866px

>>15518350
Doritos are also certified for aircraft usage.

>>15518552
probably the only thing they're good for t b h
No torque so they're shit in cars,
less moving parts is cash in planes

File: ss+(2014-12-06+at+12.27.18).jpg (486KB, 1183x987px) Image search: [Google]

486KB, 1183x987px

>>15510247
>CA18 is far better

>>15518914
common knowledge lad

>>15510222
>BMW M70
FUCK yeah nigga

File: jun_super_lemon.jpg (51KB, 640x480px) Image search: [Google]

51KB, 640x480px

>>15518586
Still more torque than a Honda.

>>15510304
VTEC is a dead meme yo.

>>15514296

>22r

20r if you want that double timing chain, no eccentric for the fuel pump though.

>>15510116
>mfw my first engine was a fucking 4me
gutless pos
>5me
gutless pos
>7mge
gutless low down but pulled ok for a stock 25 year old barge until it blew up
>rb26det
Nice but again no low down torque
>1uz
meh
>jz
meh, good for boost thats about it
>generic i4/v6 vvti engines since 200x
meh

Honestly their motors are... Bland? Even with turbos they are just over rated as fuck hence why i dont really talk about them

>>15510116
probably 4A top since it doesn't pretend to be something it isn't
so 4AGE>B16>13B>4G63>EJ
dont know about the SR20 so i wont place it

File: 20160402_131923.jpg (4MB, 3704x2548px) Image search: [Google]

4MB, 3704x2548px

>Mazda 13B
>Honda B16
>Toyota 4A-GE
>Mitsu 4G63
>Subaru EJ

Not biased or anything
Just my favourites to least favourites

(Pic is my 13B)

>>15520984
Forgot about the SR20, that goes above the 4A-GE

the answer is always k series

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FghHghOaypM

>lsx BTFO
>1300 whp gtr BTFO
>everything BTFO

how could they ever recover?

File: sstp-1206-01+2008-mazda-mazdaspeed3+cover.jpg (536KB, 1600x1200px) Image search: [Google]

536KB, 1600x1200px

>>15521019
>tfw k series is shit compared to disi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lOlO67dC0M

>>15523315
>disi
>mkaing over 1000hp

pick one, the record of the mazdaspeed is like 800 horses lol

also

>driving a mazda minivan

top lol, maximum buyers remorse

File: 13181412_1555468401421806_667853108_n.jpg (150KB, 750x750px) Image search: [Google]

150KB, 750x750px

>>15520115
For a second I thought it was the stupid rocketbunny rx7

File: laughing_miata.jpg (311KB, 960x540px) Image search: [Google]

311KB, 960x540px

>>15523328
>triggered hondacuck right on cue

Predictable as hell m8

>>15523345
Wait, that's an FD? Bloody disgusting

>>15510237
I'd say the 13B excels in all those things except for efficiency and torque
>power
lots, can jam a lot in there (and you need less because, well, it's light af)
>torque
Still enough to smoke the tires, but yeah, there's no surplus here, even turbo'd
>reliability
surprisingly reliable, especially NA. Yes they "may" need rebuilds after 250,000 km, but any retard could do them and they cost ridiculously less than rebuilding a piston engine. I'd rather rebuild the engine and know that it's good rather than fuck around.
>weight
150 lbs nigger, fuck, almost 50 lbs less with aluminum side housings. That's retarded for an engine that makes 160 hp NA and can be tuned, still NA, to make stupid numbers
>technology
on the FC, the NA motors had VDI and auxiliary ports, which was like VTEC before VTEC, but for rotaries. The 20B-REW on the Cosmo was the first sequiential twin turbo production car technically, but the 13B-REW on the FD was a close second. And Mazda was the only company pushing these engines--for an engine that is literally 0.001% of all produced, I think it's incredible that they were able to make them street driveable and reliable.
>efficiency
>sound
unique as fuck and they sound amazing, plus easy to make them backfire even stock
>response
amazing throttle responsiveness; 13B-REW stock had pretty much no turbo lag which was incredible

>doesn't come with forged internals stock
it's shit.

>>15523424
>ur triggered the k series is better than the 2.3

try posting a mazdashit engine making more power than this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yc_DIuk_-2c
or this
http://www.franksperformancedevelopment.com/~shop/fpd-racing-acura-honda-k26-k24-turbo-or-allmotor-400-hp/239044/

>cuck BTFO

File: sstp-1206-03+2008-mazda-mazdaspeed3+full-view.jpg (605KB, 1600x1200px) Image search: [Google]

605KB, 1600x1200px

>>15523459
>thinking more power is better for fwd
W E W L A D
E
W
L
A
D

Didn't you see that 350 hp Turbo Civic get BTFO by that 250 hp minivan?

>>15523541
> in my town there is this really annoying protege kid
> him and his friend who owned a fucking fiat 500 and has a ratchet ass baby momma since he was 16 talked shit about my prelude
> every time I saw those cucks I went full 10/10 god mode
> own a sc400 now
> they are still shit lords with shit boxes

>>15523568
>make fun of your prelude
Unless it was a 4th gen, this was the correct thing to do.

>own a sc400 now
>beat to hell with fading paint, failing 90s electronics "luxury", failing O2 sensor banks, failing fuel pump, failing cam position sensor, autotragic
While you definitely have upgraded, don't act like your shit don't stink still.

>>15523604
> every thing failed already replaced
> real California Walnut and pristine leather
> a340e kicks like a Mule

Defending my superior purchase against a fiat 500 owner, that's all

>>15523619
Leather is still in good condition? Neat. How's that LCD display in the top part of the center console? The one that displays the climate control info, those tend to die out by now. Also had issue with the plastic on those vents up there getting super brittle and falling apart.

That 1uz is definitely goat tho'

>>15523670
The 1UZ is a heavy piece of underpowered garbibblybabbo, and no one takes it seriously. Neither should you.

>>15510116
4G63 by far. It was one hell of an engine. Gave me many good years.

>>15510201
couple aussies with stock bottom end SR's over the 1000hp mark. all built top ends tho since something going wrong in the head is usually what happens on SR's before the bottom

>>15510781
I'd imagine with a little bottom end work and custom EFI + a decent turbo setup, you could reliably get better power out of them. AFAIK the only weak point on the engine is the shitty timing chain tensioner and guides.

>>15510665
Engine itself is solid, the turbos were shitheaps, though.

>>15510582
You are exactly right anon. The Ecoboost 2.3 used in the new mustang is basically a Mazda DISI 2.3 used in the Mazdaspeed3 and Mazdaspeed6.

>>15510418
>>15510370
>>15510146
>>15510468
Larger and heavier than an LS engine, it's really just not that good.

>>15511192
It's not common, they just don't fit in a lot of jap cars because they are wide, and that limits how many people use them. They are out there. The UZ is a fine engine it's just large and heavy for what it is.

>>15510326
>1/2JZ
Meme engine. They're heavy as fuck and very overrated, just like the RB.
>b-b-b-b-but muh 800hp on stock internals
literally meaningless unless you're building a drag car or wanna
>race me from a roll breh
The best japanese engines are I4s unfortunately. They're well rounded engines. Fairly light, good power potential, responsive.

1993 SR20DE dd here
Bought the car from a woman (who had the clutch replaced at 50k miles ...) with 120k on the clock. I'm usually very easy on the clutch so I only had to replace it again at 170k
at ~150k I messed up really bad and I was able to hydro-lock it with gas (yes, gas)
because of that, I had it running with a mixture of 50% oil and 50% gas (in the crankcase) for a few minutes
beside that I redline it at least once a day
recently I decided to check the compression
service manual says 180 +/- 10%
I got all 4 between 179 and 181

the engine seems indestructible but Nissan is really bad with:
power steering (3 pumps and one rack)
electrics (bad wires, bad grounds, sensors just going bad, voltage regulators going bad
AC (noisy, inefficient, eats a lot of power)
transmissions (at least early 90s)

here's some porn for you:
https://youtu.be/zQ3RtLTVaNc

File: 269934b8-c99e-4eca-8c28-a356cba68b27.jpg (254KB, 800x600px) Image search: [Google]

254KB, 800x600px

How about some love for 4B11T?

>>15510122
>IT CAN RELIABLY HANDLE 270HP WHEN BOOSTED

>70HP MORE THAN A STOCK B16B

>ALL OF MY KEKS
>ALL OF THEM

>>15523541
>literal damage control

mensajes, love triggering this mazda minivan cuck

File: Toyota_Crown_Majesta_Estate_Athlete_1.jpg (179KB, 800x600px) Image search: [Google]

179KB, 800x600px

>>15525169
RB and JZ engines saw a fair bit of use in Jap luxury and executive models, too.

>>15525169
>Literal Shit engine

>this entire thread
>no FJ20
Goddamn kids

>all these dumbasses talking up the 1UZ-FE

Unless you somehow found a way to get parts off of their Super GT cars they're absolutely anemic compared to the LS/Coyote. Reliable as all hell and the perfect engine for a full-sized sedan, but absolutely garbo in every other respect.

>b-b-but I saw this guy tarbo it and get 700HP!
put the same money and work into an LS/Coyote and you'll end up with a thousand without having to fabricate anything.

Nissan's V8s are even more underwhelming.

File: gr58.jpg (84KB, 800x541px) Image search: [Google]

84KB, 800x541px

>>15526316
What's the most powerful FJ20ET you've heard of?

>>15526346
nissan v8 are miles better than toyo and as good as ls and coyotes

stocks blocks were used on lemans race cars, faggot lurk moar

>>15526346
>1UZ
>super GT

The only issue with the 1UZ is the head design, since it's a very narrow design Toyota head. It just doesn't flow as much as a JZ or say a 1GR. Aside from that the 1UZ is a great engine. They're cheap as dirt and you can just boost the early ones on stock internals. When 3UZs get cheaper you'll probably see those modified a bit more

VH45 is a better choice anyway, much better heads albeit it's a bit heavier overall than a UZ

>>15526352
I know there were a few around 1200hp for drag cars back in the day

File: 13254146_10209406214182508_8003232096912926372_n.jpg (13KB, 500x171px) Image search: [Google]

13KB, 500x171px

>>15526346
>Nissan's V8s are even more underwhelming.
>literal shitposting

>>15526387
>I know there were a few around 1200hp for drag cars back in the day
Neat. So it shits all over the weak lolSR20.

>>15526380
>stocks blocks were used on lemans race cars

Same for the fuckin' LS with less bore, Ford Modular, and 1UZ. I don't see a single soul drag racing with VKs and the aftermarket for that engine reflects that.

>>15526400
600 is the max you can do a completely unopened FJ20ET with the right fueling
FJ20E has different pistons

>>15526346
>Nissan's V8s are even more underwhelming.

I don't know for sure as I've never seen one, but at the time the LS 400 launched, Nissan had their Infiniti Q45 with the VH45 which made more power than the Toyota's 1UZ thanks to Nissan's VVT. The Q45 never did get the same success as the Lexus thanks to shitty marketing on Nissan's part and the 1UZ eventually got VVT years later making the Q45 even less relevant.

It's kind of neat to how Lexus was able to put together and market a better package than Nissan could despite the power advantage of the VH.

>>15526387
>The only issue with the 1UZ is the head design, since it's a very narrow design Toyota head.

This is because the 1UZ was designed to haul around a 4000lbs luxobarge. The narrow ports and valve openings keep the airflow speed up which means higher torque in the low rpm range.

>>15526402
ls engines were only used on GT cars, some nissan group C cars were powered by production block VHs
no coyote or uz engines were used on lemans or other protos, aside from that mr-s

>I dont see drag racing nissan v8s or aftermarket
thats because you are a faggot cuck that needs to lurk moar

>>15526432
The early Q45 was a swb President which arguably is a much better car than the Celsior was

File: 56987412654753.jpg (162KB, 800x533px) Image search: [Google]

162KB, 800x533px

>>15526459
Actually the versions of the 3UZ were used in Supra and SC 430 GT500 cars in Super GT and in the Riley-Lexus Daytona Prototype campaigned by Ganassi -- it even won the Daytona 24 twice.

>>15518914
You lads got sauce?
Reverse turns up nothin'

>>15526271

Good luck boosting an engine with 15.5 compression without changing the internals dumbass.

>>15523430
there's always the rotary fag...