WORST car brand ever?

Dodge

>>15504854
Are you for real?

>>15504846
as of right now, chrysler

>>15504846
Their super happy cars are definitely one of the worst designs, but they made some great shitboxes back in the 90 and onwards

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honestly, chevrolet right now.

none of their current cars or anything that has been made in the past 16 years has appealed to me besides the SS, which has already been discontinued.

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i personally dislike renault. all the cars they sold in the usa were shit.
they bought out AMC and made them sell renaults, and were literal cancer.
renault only pulled out of the usa when their CEO got assassinated.

if they had not led to the demise of amc, and let AMC die naturally i would not have this disgust towards them.

Ferd
>cant design anything of their own
>still claim it as their own
Terrible company

>>15504856
The last noteworthy Dodge was released in the late 60s, and even that one is only noteworthy because of TV and movie appearances.

Dacia or Dodge.

>>15504875
Ugh here in Europe they are total cancer, none of the faster cars just recycled GM shitboxes.

>>15504909
speaking of Ford-Edsel read this

>Even though the Edsel shared its basic technology with other Ford products, a number of issues caused reliability problems, mostly with the 1958 models. Reports of mechanical flaws with the cars surfaced, due primarily to lack of quality control and confusion of parts with other Ford models. Ford never dedicated a stand-alone factory solely to Edsel model production. The first-year (1958) Edsels were assembled in both Mercury and Ford factories. The longer-wheelbase models, Citation and Corsair, were produced alongside the Mercury products, while the shorter-wheelbase models, Pacer and Ranger, were produced alongside the Ford products. Workers assembling Fords and Mercurys often found the task of assembling the occasional Edsel that moved down the line burdensome, since it required them to change tools and parts bins, then switch back to resume assembling Fords or Mercurys after completing assembly on the Edsel. The workers were also expected to accommodate Edsel assembly with no adjustment in their hourly quota of Ford and Mercury production. Consequently, the desired quality control of the different Edsel models proved difficult to achieve, even when the Fords and Mercurys were satisfactorily assembled on the same lines. Many Edsels actually left the assembly lines unfinished. Uninstalled parts were placed in the trunks along with installation instructions for dealership mechanics, some of whom never installed the additional parts at all. Some dealers did not even receive all the parts.[5]

>>15504846
>>15504889

French here, "if they had not led to the demise of amc" you should still hate them because they are cancer in everything. PSA looks ok in comparison even if I also dislike their cars.

Here everybody is buying brand new Renaults because they're ""cheap"" instead of just fucking buying a good used car for cheaper.

Paris is even banning 13 year + cars to get people to buy new french cars and artificially boost the economy... If they do the same in the whole country I will have to consider leaving the shithole...

Also, worst car brand here : Audi. The cars are probably good but the drivers are THE WORST i'ts like Audi makes people sign a contract of douchebaggery before selling cars. I have like NEVER SEEN a turn signal on on these, Audi should just remove them seriously. And I have had to brake a lot of times for them forcing their way through intersections and stuff. One even hit me once, trying to get to the front of a waiting line. He succeeded.

>>15504846
No car company is absolutely shit. Peugeot had it's rally cars, it's amazing concepts (look up the 908), the first diesel Le Mans victories, and it was a racing brand comparable in status to Bentley in the early 20th century.

>>15504854
>>15504860
Chrysler/Dodge pretty much kickstarted the horsepower wars in the 60's with the 440 and the Hemi, and they're trying it again now with the Hellcat.

>>15504929
Dacia is the greatest budget car company you can find right now.

>>15505101
>saying something positive
Refreshing. Thanks.

I don't think there is one single bad car brand.

Every brand has made good cars in the past.
I don't think anybody can name one brand that hasn't made at least three pretty good cars.

>>15504889

Same here.

I dislike Renault.

Their past is ok, but everything turned to shit in the 90s. I don't even mention current years, even their ad spot sounds like they are selling medicaments instead of cars. Fucking boring.

>>15505051

Huh, Audis are also shit because you basically can't work on them. Everything is cramped, well at least from early 00s.

>>15504846
Ssangyong

AvtoVAZ

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>>15504860
yup

>>15505375

kys. Lada is the best.

Ford or Subaru

Ford has so many terrible designs and they ruined Mazda, Subaru leghumps the shitty Boxer engine design thats full of issues.

>>15505573
Ford ruined a lot of companies.
And cant make anything good without help from someone else.
And even when they get help they have to change things and cheap out.
>mzr > ecoshit

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>>15504846
maybe now, but they made some great cars back in the day like pic related, what a beaut

Toyota.
It's not like their cars are bad, they're just incredibly boring and bland.

>>15508361
>It's not like their cars are bad, they're just incredibly boring and bland.
This describes every car company

>>15508395
Na but present toyota is really fucking boring

>>15504860
You fucking imposter

Can't believe no-one has said Chery

>>15504846
Fiat.

Their cars remind me of my ex. Good looking but as soon as you get to know it a little longer, the more problems you'll find. Glad that my fiat and my ex are gone.

>>15504846
Opel.
Just bland boring Cars for people who don't give a fuck about cars.
Even tho the try hard as fuck to get rid of the label.

>>15504846
Saturn. I don't care how """""good""""" you may say they are, they're piles of utter shit imo.

>>15508421
>Just bland boring Cars for people who don't give a fuck about cars.
that would be Toyota, Kia, Hyundai. Opel offers great HP/dollaridoo wit their GTC cars even though they handle like shit, they are basically american cars for europeans.

>>15504909
mazda is worse
>gets everything from ferd
>still manages to fuck up their own line up
>durr durr lets just make econo shit cars

>>15505573
How can ford even ruined mazda when its never been good

VW

Literally never created anything of value.

Killing good brands such as porsche and Lamborghini with SUV badge whore bullshit.

>>15508653
>What is Golf GTI

>>15504846
Audi for the drivers. Renault for the cars.

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Pyeonghwa Motors.
>North Korean
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyeonghwa_Motors

>>15505573
Ford bought into Mazda and then they started making the rx7
People who think Ford had anything other than an entirely positive impact on Mazda are retards

>>15504846

Hyundai for me.

Family has owned one. Friend had owned one. Grandfather owned one.

Guess what, all lemons or in a scrapyard. None of them made it past 120K miles without the engine climaxing or becoming money pits that far exceeded the value of a 4yr'old car.

Ugly, generic, and unreliable shit is all Hyundai produces.

>"But muh-uh Tiburon!"

By a Celica and remove Limp Bizkit from your music library.

>>15508724
all things that come from korea are garbage

>hire a good designer for car
>people somehow think hyundie learned

Honestly Ford

Back in the day they where okay but by the 90's things started getting too cheap and by the 00's and early 2010s something was very wrong

now ecoboosts are blowing up literally and they dont even offer a out of warranty recall or fix

fuck them.

>>15508743
>ecoboost won the lemans
>bad

>>15508738

Yes, and the Genesis is the only reasonably good looking car that Hyundai has ever released. It's just too bad that they shoved a POS V6 in it and designed it to steer like a sailboat.

>>15508653
Volkswagen actually makes some of the best hatchbacks. Just dont buy a sedan or god forbid a fucking suv with a nazi badge on it

>>15508421
>Opel more boring than Skoda

nah m8

>>15504864
>they made some great shitboxes back in the 90 and onwards
I'm looking for a cheap euro shitbox beater, should I consider peugeot?

>>15504846
Jeeps are heaps

>>15505258
Daewoo.

>Pre-GM cars were shit
>GM era cars were shit

Daewoo has literally never made a good car.

>>15508797
They third-made the Cruze, which is a pretty decent shitbox.

>>15505297
What car isn't these days?

Even most pickup trucks you cannot see the ground if you open the hood anymore.

>search smart
>no results

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Remember the 205 t16? Those were the good days for peugeot, utter horseshit cars now though. Yet with brilliant engines now apparently. Not the worst in my opinion, that goes to daihatsu.

>>15508839
The modern engines don't compare to the simple rugged old ones like the XU8 in that there 205 t16.

>>15504846
Tesla.

>>15508411

Dubs of truth. FCA a shit.

>>15504846
Why won't you start with a Korean car?

>>15508411
You must be a terribly boring person.

Whats the coolest car under $10k usd that i can import from bongland?

>>15509204
Spotted his ex

>>15508767
yes generally they're very cheap to run
the main expense is insurance as they're popular with tossers

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They have not offered anything historic or monumental and never will.

Just making soulless shitboxes.

>>15505606
the V6 came with a 4 speed auto
they look great thought

>>15509274
came with a manual as well

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>>15509196
>>15509256

>>15509281
yeah i know but why would you offer a 4 speed auto with the best motor ?
maybe someone bought it
it's horrible

>>15508577
Youve litterally got that backward
Mazda has always been more reliable
Mazda supplied ford with everything
Nice try tho
>>15508673
Lrn to automotive history

>>15509371
Yeah nice try faggot. Ford literally lend a hand to mazda.
Thank god ford let em go, good riddance let em make slow shitboxes that nobody cares.

Lern2history
>gayzda
>reliable
>mazda 3s on craiglist are literally rusting to shit

This is why no one likes mazda guys, theyre Stuck up retards all over the world

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Mazda is shit

>>15509623
What is this comparison site?

>>15509663
9gag

>>15509674
Aren't you an edgy teenager

>>15509681
Everyone on /o/ are edgy teenager. Youll get bald if you take anything from this site seriously

>>15508767
>>15509222

Yes except the 106 must have hidden wings or something because it's always trying to fly and quit the road.

Never had 205 or 306 but everybody seems happy with it.

>>15509711
I don't feel like one anymore and I'm here.
I just don't see the point of these suposed to be humor but not funny responses.

>>15509552
>ford had no engines or chassis to compete in US sales
>going down the tubes fast
>bought into mazda in exchange for engines and chassis
Yeah... im sure ford would have done fine.
Try reading sometime moron.
>>15509623
>Huge sedan as fast as sporty small hatch
Id say mazda rules

>>15509623
>mid-size sedan milliseconds slower than light sporty hothatch
Really makes you think...

>>15509623
>it takes 2.5L to make 250Nm
kek

That's not Chrysler

>>15504927

Not sure if troll or just retarded.

The Shelby GLHS and Viper immediately come to mind as far as enthusiast vehicles. The Ram forever changed the truck game. The Caravan is the single most successful people hauler in history. The SRT4 was a blockbuster, the PT Cruiser sold like gangbusters, and Jeep has dominated the SUV and CUV segments since forever. Then you have the Charger, Challenger, and 300 which were incredible successes.

I mean, Cummins, the Hemi, the Hellcat. The list goes on. Dodge is one of the most innovative, if corner cutting, manufacturers today. They managed to build a car for a fraction of the price that shattered records set by cutting edge hypercars. Qctually, the Viper has been doing that since it's inception.

The RAM Rebel and Power Wagons are two of the best off road trucks on the market.

I get it, you know? Dodge had quality issues during the Daimler era, but they're not the same company. Even if they were, that's still the same people that developed the ME412.

>>15505101
>Dacia is the greatest budget car company you can find right now.
and also the best in rust department

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>>15508444
>they are basically american cars for europeans.
well where is muh V8

>>15508778
Running XJs will be on the market for the next forty years, many with their factory I6.

>>15509623
>NA 4cyl as fast as a tarbo hot hatch
>yfw Mazda 6 is under 1500kg
I think Mazda stepped up their game

>>15504846
volvo ferd-era and beyond

>>15508361
>>15508401
OP said bad company. Even if modern Toyota churns out year after year of "it's a car!" econoboxes they are still reliable, cheap, and easy to maintain. That's good.

>>15508821
Smart is a fantastic car if you live in a Europleb """"city"""" but anywhere else it's just underpowered and lacking cargo space

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>>15509287
Pathetic

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>>15504846
Peugeot has made great cars before the 2005. It doesn't qualify as "worst fucking car brand ever" because some of their cars redefined the words "hot hatch". They also won a bunch of World Rally Championships too.

I vote Fiat. There is nothing aside from the 500 that they made that is a legitimately, objectively a good car.

>b-b-but they own ferrari and they make good cars!

Single brand. They also own Chrysler, and when is the last time they made anything good. Moot point either way.

Look at all of their cars. Ugly, unsporty and boring. The Uno, Bravo, Panda, Albea, Croma, Linea, Stilo, Ducato, Scudo. Unremarkable in every way and if not for the 500, the most boring and shitty car brand in the world. If you own a Punto, you need to kill yourself, right now.
>inb4 Barchetta

Shitty Miata for hipsters.

>>15510204
I had this problem with my Spark. Excellent car, very reliable. AC system is a dogshit failure on every single one though and I can't fit anything worth hauling in it, went and spent $1k on the best shitbox shortbox I could find under that price just to move things but getting around the city is almost as easy as walking. There is nowhere you can't park a Smart.

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>>15510218
Don't be deceived by an out of context picture. Here is the same crash test from top view.
Driver walks away with a sprained neck and a few bruises.

>>15510193
>Toyota
>cheap
lolno
They aren't cheap to buy new nor cheap to maintain.

>>15510218
too bad saab is just a rebadged GM owned by the chinese nowadays

>>15510279
>Toyota's aren't cheap
In what fucking world do you live in?
What do you consider "a cheap car"?

>>15510279
Do you live in Madagascar or something?

Fuck off tripfag

All answers besides Fiat are wrong.

Any other big boy brand is better put together. Any hipster marquee that's worse is too irrelevant to count.

>>15510285
>In what fucking world do you live in?
I'm betting you're murrican.
Toyota isn't cheap in Europe, and it certainly isn't cheap to maintain.
That's why nobody buys Toyota here. That and europeans actually have taste.

>>15510323

A lot of people buy Toyotas here and they are decently priced desu. Dont talk shit out of your arse and basing everything on your personal taste and experience.

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>>15510323
>That and europeans actually have taste.
That must be why you all ride buses then

>>15510325
>A lot of people buy Toyotas here and they are decently priced desu.
Where?
>decently priced
lolno


>>15510328
Sure it is. :)

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Name one good reason to own a car made by Dacia.

"it's cheap" doesn't count

Fiat

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>>15510323
>no-one buys Toyotas in Europe
Probably why Toyota Motors Europe sold 875k cars last year
>I bet you're American
I'm a Finn you fucking faggot. My first car was a 1998 Toyota Carina E and if I still had the car, I could buy rear brake pads right now, down the street, for 20 euros.

>>15509623
is there a site to compare cars or is it just made up ?

>>15510338
that the whole point you know
it is reliable

>>15510158
are they really more rusty than all time champion - Mazda?

>>15510338
Modern day Golf, all the essentials, nothing more nothing less.
>but we already have a Golf
What we have is a shadow of what the Golf used to stand for, which was the very basic, cheapest possible option for a new car that was easy and cheap to maintain.
A Dacia Sandero is just that. Practical, CHEAP, not only to buy, but to maintain, it gets good mileage and the ride isn't god awful.
>it's cheap doesn't count
Why? Why shouldn't it count? Because it most fucking certainly matters to the general consumer.

>>15510356
Fastestlaps . Com

>>15510338
not
so
much
to
brake

>>15510371
'>it's cheap' is a bad argument, because for the price of a new Dacia Sandero (6000 bongdollars) you can get a much nicer pre-owned car that's gonna be loaded with options and will not be a total embarassment to drive around

>>15510323
I would've thought you were an American whose grandfather got his ass bombed at Pearl Harbor since you're on a crusade against any vehicle from Japan.

>>15510356
Its made up

>>15510351
>Probably why Toyota Motors Europe sold 875k cars last year
Try 604k. Which compared to other major groups is nothing.

>>My first car was a 1998 Toyota Carina E and if I still had the car, I could buy rear brake pads right now, down the street, for 20 euros.
>shit for older econoboxes is cheap
No shit you fucking autist.
I'm talking about new cars, not old shitboxes.

Toyotas are generally more expensive than other comparable models and official maintenance is also more expensive. They just ride the "omg, it's so reliable" wave while offering cars with significantly less equipment, old as fuck engines and bland ass desiign.

I've had a new Yaris 1.5 T-Sport in my home for about 8 months back in 2001.
First service? 500 eurobucks.
Not to mention it got recalled 2 or 3 times.

>>15510409
I like some japanese cars, it just happens 99% of them are as bland as they come. I'd never ever buy a japanese car in my life.

>>15510263
Don't wory, I've seen these videos. Yes, you can't judge anything only by the looks. But here you don't have to be an expert to see that the resluts weren't so good. That's not the same car in your picture btw.
My point was that you can get a better used car for the same money and that I just dislike Korean cars.

>>15510280
>rebadged
Saab's idea of rabaging a car was to change it for like 90%. And the results weren't bad except that these cars were too good for their price what led to brand's death. Till that they made the best of the situation they were in.

>owned by the chinese
Haven't seen a Chinese car yet so I can't estimate anything.

>>15510428
are you the guy who own a 316i ?

>>15510449
lmao rmjet owns a 3cyl diesel punto, probably the reason of his constant butthurt

>>15510449
No

>>15510449
No, he's the guy with the Fiat Punto. Not the cool yellow one, either.

>>15510409
Who cares about Pearl Harbor when Japan is literally the only country that got offensively nuked

TWICE

>>15510400
>pre-owned
oh, so you're the kind of cuck who needs euphemism for "used". Nice.
Enjoy your pre-selected colour, pre-missed oil changes and pre-farted seats.
oslo:
>attacking people for buying new cars
fuck logic, nobody should buy cars poeple should just pre-ues them for each other forever. There should be no new cheap cars because there are pre-used expensive cars. All turks like you should drive pre-used Mercedeses S600.

>>15510456
>>15510459
>>15510461
oh yeah the grey punto diesel :) 1.9 400 N.m of torque etc

>>15510461
>Not the cool yellow one
>cool
t-thanks anon, you too

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>>15510428
>I like some japanese cars, it just happens 99% of them are as bland as they come.
you drive literally the most bland car possible

>>15510477
lmao why are you so buttblasted?
>Enjoy your pre-selected colour, pre-missed oil changes and pre-farted seats.

yeah, it's not like i can browse through the hundreds of ads and find a car with the color and maintenance level i like, not possible at all

>pre-farted
Do you refer to your girlfriend as pre-fucked aswell?

>>15510456
>3cyl
Nah, it's actually a 4 pot 16v with 8 injections per cycle and a variable geometry turbo.
Yeah, you guessed it... It literally has more technology than the entire Toyota line-up.

>his constant butthurt
Why would I be butthurt?
I didn't say Toyotas were bad cars, learn to read.

/o/ just rides Toyota's dick saying it's cheap, yada yada yada.
It isn't. It really isn't.
Compare a new Toyota to any other car from the same segment. You'll see it's not only more expensive, it also doesn't offer half the stuff others do.
Then you'll visit Toyota for a service or whatever and you get anally raped.
Toyota is literally at BMW/VW's level in maintenance costs, which is saying something.
No shit you can buy a 15 year old Toyota and get cheap parts. You can literally get the same deal with any other common car.

>>15510502
To you. Fortunately I don't really care about your opinion. Feel free to reciprocate.

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>>15510514
>his gf isn't a pure maiden

>>15504875
>buddy of mine works for a chevy dealer
>get new job and need to buy new car (old cavalier had 193K+ miles
>end up getting a new civic ex-t
>buddy all pissy I didnt come to him
>mfw he thinks i'd want anything chevy offers but a vette which i cant afford
two other friends of mine bought cars from him, an impalla and an equinox but my budget was like 20k and nothing in that range from chevy was remotely appealing

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>>15510514
>Do you refer to your girlfriend as pre-fucked aswell?
joke on you
deflorated her
you basically pre-rekt yourself, faggot

>>15510523
No one cares about your crappy diesel shitebox Alberto Barbosa

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>>15510338
cause it's awesome

>15510523
>this fucking guy owns a 4 banger DIESEL I REPEAT DIESEL PUNTO
>he has the audacity to shit on modern Toyota's
>variable geometry turbo.


Wow. You can read the brochure.

>>15510543
Deflowered*

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>>15510664
excuse me M'lady

>>15510144
keep sucking that dodge dick fanboy lol
Dodge is trash and will always be trash driven by trashy people.The Viper is slow as shit for the price,the hellcat is a fatass,and ram trucks rattle apart or rust out.The only good thing associated with dodge is cummins.

>>15505051

German here, Audi drivers are the worst here too. Can confirm contract.

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>>15505051
pooland confirms

>>15510800
The only truth in your post is that the hellcat weighs too much which I totally agree. However, it's still a super fun car to drive along with the charger. Any of those two with their V8 options are pretty fun to hoon around in

MINI

They have one car and it's been on the "Fucking Avoid" list almost every year it's been in production.

>>15510447
>Saab's idea of rabaging a car was to change it for like 90%

The bodyshape and interior are not 90%, saabs are not bad cars but your kidding yourself if you don't think its a vectra in fancy dress.

They look identical from below when we have them on the ramps at work.

>america never got the good peugot
im crying
its literally the best first car

>>15510144
The GLHS was a souped up shitbox. The Viper was a wannabe Cobra. All the Ram did was make trucks cool with the office class. The Caravan was a rebadged Chrysler and killed the station wagon. So was the SRT4, which by the way was also a souped up shitbox. The PT Cruiser was literally the biggest piece of shit in any showroom in the country, all significant Jeep developments have been made before the Chrysler era. And those newer vehicles you named are some of the biggest heaps of shit on the road that disregard all other qualities for MUH SIZE and MUH POWER.

>>15510976
Oh, and Cummins are a seperate company.

>>15510945
b-but mr clarkson on tap gere said they changed it.
a-and da-dashboard dims a-and ignition key is in other place and...

>>15508797
I currently own an '02 lanos.

It's aight. Feels like it's fly by wire with a VERY sleepy wire, though. Good half second of lag between throttle and power.

>>15510945
>The bodyshape and interior are not 90%
So you think more than 90%?
I own a NG900 with almost 270k km on clock. There was some little issues when I bought it but it's all fixed and I haven't had any problems with it since that. It goes a bit above 230km/h on autobahn, surprisingly good on the snow and the interior is comfy af. My colege has a Vectra. Apart from that it's a rust bucket, it has weird electronical problems. Same thing with my friends Astra. All the lights tend to go out sometimes and other ongoing issues. Yes, I see how similar is the base design but for some reason these Saabs doesn't suck nearly as much as Vectras.

>>15504875
What came out in 2000 that you liked?

>>15511139
You are like those people who think a Jaguar x-type isn't a ford mondeo in a dress.

>>15504846
Ever?
Daewoo. British Leyland. Rover. Perodua. Trabant. Moskvich.

>>15511205
You're right. I think it's more like a Mondeo in a swimming suit.

>>15511139
>weird electronical problems
>rust
rust=bad ground=weird electronical problems
no rust=good ground=no weird electronical problems
congratulation you idiot. You have just proven that main advantage of your saab over vectra is that it's not rusted, and non rusted car is better than rusted car.

>>15511288
You just don't know what Vectra is.
Thanks for the good words.

>>15511346
It's a car that started to corrode in sunlight at the moment it left the factory. My father wanted to buy one because it's such a ''simple'' car without fancy electronics. I'm happy that he changed his mind and bought a renault.

>>15511426
>It's a car that started to corrode in sunlight at the moment it left the factory
like every other opel, any mazda or 1990's ford
only well rustproofed cars were 1990's peugeots and 80'- audis

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CTRL F, typed Nissan, no results.

>>15508655
FF can't compete

>>15508421
What about the speedster?

>>15508760
>nazi badge
What's that?

>>15511229
Hey, most of those made a good car or two. There are even more obscure manufacturers like Wartburg or ZAZ that never did.

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>>15511696
VAZ..

>>15511712
ZAZ, not VAZ.

2101 and 2108 were ok cars when first introduced, they only became shit of legends when VAZ continued to make them for decades with ever decreasing quality.

Scion
Manufacturer for edgy teenagers

>>15511868
everyone already knows this. we're talking about relevant car companies in the industry that are terrible. funny thing is edgy teenagers never even bought scions lol

>>15510976
>>15510800

Show us on the doll where the bad Mopar touched you.

>>15509844
Yep i read and really ford lend a hand on mazda. Fuck off fanboy

>damage control
>muh glorified sedan is slower than a $20k fiesta
Lmao pathetic really

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>>15510338
Are they selling the Sandero R.S. in Europe?

>>15509663
Fastestlaps

Its either BMW or mercedes. Ill call it a tie between them. They're the brands you buy if you have a lot if money and dont know anything about cars

>>15511951
I had a 2009 ram 2500 and had to replace almost every front end part and the cab corner and rockers rusted out at 100k miles.The cummins was the only thing that kept going

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In shit econoboxes for above poolinloo world country, fiat is the worse of all, they live being repaired, and the belts cut water pipes sometimes.

>>15512701
No

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>Ctrl+F "yugo"
>Phrase not found

>>15514437
sorry mr Snowflake
make sure to type "Vanden Plas", "Edsel" and "Iran Khodro" to get even more buttmad

>>15504854
>meme

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ZASTAVA. Then there's all the little Chinese abortions that some times come around, but... Zastava is basically the justin beiber of cars. There's certainly worse, but it's the most well known.

>>15504875
Im still waiting for the Tru 140S.
I have the cash ready but it doesn't seem like it will go in production

>>15513822

Cool anecdote, bro. I daily a 1989 Dodge Ramcharger that never needed anything other than routine maintenance. Maybe don't abuse your vehicle and it won't fall apart.

>>15508361
>drives a diesel punto

>>15505051
>Paris is even banning 13 year + cars

Jesus, what a totalitarian shithole. Not like my country is doing any better.

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>>15510800
>The Viper is slow as shit for the price

You would have to live on some freaky planet where a sub-30k car can blitz the ring in under 5 minutes or some insane shit (/o/ would probably still think the GT86 is too expensive even if it managed to do just that). not even most kit-cars and single-seaters will cost less. the only car i know of that's slightly faster than a Viper TA for the price is a C7 Z06 and that's just the TA not the ACR. you're also getting as much horsepower and torque naturally aspirated as the C7's supercharged LT4.

>>15504875
I'm enjoying my Cruze. That being said, I don't expect anything out of it other than being a boring econobox.

>>15508767
if you can get a 306 meridian you'll be quite surprised. probably the most comfortable hatchback i've ever owned and one of the most comfortable cars i've ever driven

>>15505101
>Chrysler/Dodge pretty much kickstarted the horsepower wars in the 60's with the 440 and the Hemi

Nah, look more toward Pontiac and Chevrolet with the 421 Super Duty and 409 respectively.

>>15516023
stop comparing 80's cars to modern shit thats cobbled together

>>15516227
not the fag you were talking to, but are we talking production cars or cars in general? because you can build an insane fiero for WELL under 30k that could run a pretty crazy time at the ring.

between turbo 3800s and anything LS it can all be done in there

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>>15509256

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>>15504846
The only answer is Edsel, made Ford lose about $2 billion in today's money during a 4 year run.
>Came out when a recession was just starting
>Styling of the nose
>Over hyped and terribly priced.
Still, I would like to own one.

>>15508759
There's a 5.0 AWD option

>>15510447

That saab picture wasn't a small overlap test

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_bXHyil9gs

same crash, same damage as the saab

>>15504846
Ford.