Too bad

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>>15491969
>looks good
>handles well
>isnt pigfat
Too bad it has a subaru pancake engine.
If only the engine was made by toyota and had a turbo on it.

>>15491969
I think a great alternative is the lr discovery sport, even though it's quite a bit more expensive

>>15491969
>Too bad its made by jeep...
It's even worse than that, it's a Fiat disguised as a Jeep.

>>15491984
Then there would be no point to it

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>>15492024
Right. Its disgusting.
Why cant toyota make the rav4 small again? Does anyone compete with the renegade? Closest i could see is the mazda cx3 or cx5. Which im ok with. But i wouldnt expect them to be rugged.

>>15492036
Land rover needs to get their shit together and make some real competitors that are also available in the US market. That would make everyone step up their game.

>>15491969
costs too much when properly optioned for actual off roading.

Wrangler is even more expensive.

Should i buy an older Rav4 and fix it up for light offroading?

Im talking firetrails not rock crawling

>>15491984
you're preaching to choir brother

fuck, even a toyota i4 with vvt making less power would be preferable over that subaru torque dip pos

>>15492175
Defender Successor baby

>>15491984
That would have been the perfect car for a "3jz" theoretical new I6 Turbo DOHC.
But nah, instead if you want the perfect GT86 or BRZ, it NEEDS a 2j.

>>15492268
Too large for my needs.
30 mpg 4cyl
180hp
LO box
~3000lbs

>>15492028
I've seen this argument so much. There is a point to it. Unless you have the gearing of the Miata to get you to actually move when you try to overpass someone, then why ever put something that slow in a "sports car."

Imo the only car that has the excuse to be slow is the Miata, and even at being slow it does the job better. Subaru royally fucked up with this engine. Nobody at all would be saying "It needs less power" if it had 250 or 300 and a lot more torque.

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>>15492339
Why cant 1st gen RAV4s have more power????

>>15492036
That looks... surprisingly good.

Why does a crossover look this good in off-road kit?

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>>15492426
They always look better outfitted

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>>15492414
Same with the crv
Plus no LO box
Wtf were they thinking???

whats an LO box

>>15492702
Low gear selector.

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>tfw I drive a Hilux in my country
Feels good man, they just brought out the "Toyota Fortuner" here and it's just my truck in wagon form.

>>15492339
The fuck is a LO box?

>>15492750
The tacoma in the US is so over priced. The 4 runner is huge and pigfat.
The Rav4 is underpowered, soft, barely awd, and pigfat.
Fuck murrica

>>15491969
>>15492036
>not just buying a '96 cherokee for $700 and spending the $1,000 it'll take in repairs to make it perfectly fine

I was doing the same until I sprung for a lucky Comanche I spotted. Gonna take about twice the money to get right than a cherokee would have but dat comanche tho.

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>>15492759
Fucking children these days
>low gear
>HI or LO selection
>high or low selection
>4L
>4LO
>4Low

>>15492774
>too bad its a jeep

>>15492762
The hilux is actually superior than most 'pickups' in the world. In Australia we don't have utes as big as the american ones (some people pay out their ass to import them), so what you would call a compact pickup is the normal dual cab ute people use for work or whatever. The best utes are: hilux for reliability and aftermarket support, aus-designed ford ranger for equipment and looks and technology, Isuzu d-max for cheapness and simplicity, mazda bt-50 is a rebadged ranger etc

America really needs to get proper pickups that aren't over sized and over-specced for mall crawling.

>>15491969
nice soft roader.

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What I want to know is, how the fuck did we get to a point where the 1st gen Geo Tracker/Suzuki Sidekick, considered one of the greatest off-roading platforms of the 90s, morphed into this metrosexual agendered blob?

>>15492781
I still have no clue bud

>>15492414
is that new zealand or aus?

>>15492787
Thats the point moron

>>15492782
I fail to see the issue
Only that later ones are chrysler products

>>15492750
augh, another remuera tractor/city dweller with their "4wd" to pick up the kids.

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>>15492791
No clue. Does the sidekick/vitara have low/high?

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>>15492791
pic related, the "trax" pre Hormone Replacement Therapy

>>15492792
maybe do some research? I hear google is handy.

>>15492797
>needs to be riced

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>>15492803
They are trash. And dont fit the criteria.
Also they are trash.
Did i mention they are trash?

>>15492814
>riced
Wut?

>>15492808
Of course my horse. In my personal opinion, the Sidekick and the Jeep Cherokee were the greatest American offroaders of the 90s

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>>15492808

>>15492819
Probably still runs
AMC 4.0 stronk

>>15492827
>>15492832
Makes me more interested in the vitara
>mazda v6
Yus

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>>15492822

I've highlighted the non necessary areas for a soft roader.

>>15492781
Holy fuck, it's a 2 speed transfer case. No one in the history of ever besides your ass has called it a 'lo box'.

>>15492852
What if you need to cross a creek?
What if you get stuck?
What if you drive off road at night?
What if you need extra fuel for a generator?
What if you drive in the fog?
What if youre in a highly populated wildlife area?
I dont see the issue

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>>15492791
Japan hates you, that's why you don't get fun cars, pic related.

>Suzuki Grand Vitara aka. Sidekick
Will post the new "Samurai" afterwards

>>15492859
>2 speed transfer case
>lo box
Which would be more likely to be spoken?

>>15492872
What if you need to cross a creek? Your not crossing something high enough to warrant a snorkel with that.
What if you get stuck? lol soft roader
What if you drive off road at night? you have head lights
What if you need extra fuel for a generator? sure, i dont see one in the back of that biscuit tin of a car.
What if you drive in the fog? lol headlights
What if youre in a highly populated wildlife area? Ill give you that one.

>>15492872
>What if you need to cross a creek?
I would not cross a creek that reached near the windows in that.
>What if you drive off road at night?
Harbor Freight spotlights aren't going to help you with that.
>What if you need extra fuel for a generator?
You can use a regular gas can like a normal person.
>What if you drive in the fog?
See harbor freight comment. Those ARB lights aren't even legal.
>What if youre in a highly populated wildlife area?
Drive slow

Doesn't matter, that shit is fake anyway.

>>15492886
You have zero argument.
And obviously dont like being prepared

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>>15492880
Not him, but Low Range is a pretty common term in Australia because Lo Box doesn't really describe much.

>>15492874
Suzuki Jimny Sierra

>>15492880
2 speed transfer case because it's a real term and Lo box is something you made up.

>>15492892
>legal
>off road
Psh.
See
>>15492893

>>15492904
Oh I see, you're retarded.

>>15492893
>implying im the one arguing.
lol k mate.

>>15492902
>i havent heard of it. So it must be made up
Tard

>>15492819
>So much buthurt

How is it knowing us jeep guys go further with less money than yota fags. When's the last time you changed yer head gasket yota boy?

>>15492910
You started the "soft roader" argument.
Which is what it is. But doesnt make accessories any less useful.
If that were true then they arent useful on any vehicle.

>>15492918
it was a statement you autist.

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>>15492917
>implying i have a yota
Had one. Sold it.
>implying jeeps arent out-performed by awd tercels

>>15492915
It is made up, no one ever has called it that.

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>>15492962
Except everyone i have ever talked to about 4x4s

>>15492001
It's also a completely different size you fucking mong. Disco Sport is comparable to the Grand Cherokee.

>>15492969
You're just making shit up. Show me someone using "lo box" in the wild and I will shut up.

>>15492426
New Mazdas are pretty good looking even stock, of course they're gonna look cool with off-road mods. It's because of that big aggressive front grill.

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>>15493114
Kill your self

>>15492803
>Anonymous 07/23/16(Sat)16:34:36 No.15492

This. XJ owner. That fucking truck is so damn reliable. Especially at 295k mi. I'd rather piss glass than buy a Chrysler, but XJs are AMC designed. CSB:

One time we were up in the hills - about 9k feet. We were packing up from camping and my buddy's like "let's take this trail. My phone says it'll be faster."

I look at my map and it's not even on there.

"C'mon, let's do it"
.....ok.

Three hours later we're down the craziest fucking trail I've ever done. Oh by the way, it was closed at the bottom and there was no "trail", indicating it had been closed for many years. Everyone had trouble except the XJ. It just nimbly navigated the hell trail, rivers, waterfalls and fuck huge (like 10ft diameter) rocks. Incredible. I bought one that week. A/C blows cold and it's as fast as any late model on the highway. Why did I wait so long?

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>>15493174
Found that road you were talking about.
Good thing you had a jeep
Wew

>>15493169
So you couldn't, cool.

>>15493174
This post has the most delusions ever in a post on /o/, that's impressive.

>>15493202
Joke's on you, Jeeps are terrible on-road and their owners accept this.

>>15493228
So according to you the 4.0 is a terrible engine? Not gonna argue with you because there's so much proof online it's a waste of my time. Also I live in the Colorado Rockies where Jeeps dominate, so where are you shitposting from.

>>15493228
Found the Eurotrash.

I know you've never driven an "automobile" but certain ones have to attributes people find desirable, like "reliability". When you get a job and then an "automobile" you'll find that repairs are expensive, so "reliability" will be a positive attribute.

>>15493284
>>15493318
>jeep reliable
Hahahahahahaha

>>15493284
>So according to you the 4.0 is a terrible engine?
Where did I say that? The 4.0 isn't a complete turd but it's nowhere near as good as you people think it is.
>Also I live in the Colorado Rockies where Jeeps dominate
I can imagine why, they're like cockroaches. When you can't find a nice example of a superior vehicle, you settle. I nearly did.
>so where are you shitposting from
California, where all the good off road trails are :^).

>>15493345
How about you actually do some research before spewing shit?
A 4.0 equipped jeep will run longer than your toyota headgasketmachine will run at all.

I bet you're one of those people who think 200k miles is a lot.

>>15493386
>Jeepfag has only ever heard of the VZ
Not surprised.

>>15493377

>The 4.0 isn't a complet turd, but....
There's a lot of reasons to not like the 4.0, and yet you're devoid of answers. Almost like you know nothing about them.

>I can imagine..
So you've never been in actual mountains. Shocking.

>California
Dude.... you should have post literally anything other than that. I mean, anything. The highest you could have been, other than smoking, is the Baja I and I highly fucking doubt you were off-roading ever.

Not trying to get everyone to buy Jeeps, that would only drive up the cost of my next one, that is, until people realize the Chryslers are shit. In fact, I DD a Nissan. But when you're in the hills and have literally no support, you're gonna want a 4.0.

>>15493401
Fucking lol. Not him, but I have no response to this outrageousness. Let me make their point again: HEADGASKET MACHINE.

There's a reason we don't see a lot of 'yotas outside the 22 up here.

>>15493471
What's it like to be so dumb?

>>15493482
Is it because you live in the boonies and yokels couldn't afford them?

>>15493597
>tfw used to drive 2WD 4.0l AMC powered jeep Comanche

jeeps are shit but the engine is god like


shit was fast as fuck. i used to redline it all day tfw straight piped 4.0l STRAIGHT SIX


THE SOUND OF THE GODS

>>15493589
Good comeback. I'm speechless.

>>15493597
>the boonies. In Colorado.

OK. Just do me a favor and don't move here like the rest of your literal cock sucking state.

>>15492806
Fortuner is based of the hilux, it's not some transverse soft roader.

>>15492175
Nope. They are already in the luxury tier. So no coming back to reliable-offroaders anymore.

>>15492750
Oh man, I love Fortuners.

>>15492260
>torque dip meme again
headers and a tune completely fixes it

>>15491969
It's literally longer and wider than a 2dr Wrangler, without the benefit of true 4WD and a large aftermarket. I don't know why people keep saying these cars are "small" compared to vehicles that are objectively smaller in physical dimensions.

>>15492339
>>15492781
Or maybe you could just call it what it is, a transfer case with low gears you stupid fucking autists with made-up terms

>>15491969
>>decent ground clearance

It can't drive over crushed can how low it is. Totally useless for anything but gravel roads.

>>15492917
>jeep guys go further with less money than yota fags

Everything is made out of stamped steel so obviously it'll be cheaper.

Just compare front arms on lancruiser and cherokee. You get what you pay for.

>>15492819
>all vehicles of a specific marque are trash
>nevermind the variations in quality and reliability just within model year

I've never seen a less rationalized and knee-jerk opinion on /o/ reposted this many times. At least when people joke about Miatas being for fags they tend to rationalize why this is.

>>15491969
expensive as fuck, saw one optioned at 37k (maplebux) when there was a Patriot right next to it for 22. Go to a lower trim level and the Patriot just blows it away.

Of course I didn't buy the Patriot because Just Empty Every Pocket.

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>>15493169
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to /o/

>>15493228
>>15493345
This person just hates brands irrationally and finds it incomprehensible that brands they dislike sell; in his mind, they only sell because there are millions of idiots who are willing to buy cars that look cool, even though they will all inexplicably shit out within months of purchase.

i just got approved for 28k car loan ona used tacoma I was going to buy. Thinking about getting the italian jeep instead. the 75th edition w/ cold weather package is 1k less than the yota, brand new and I have a local dealer. What could go wrong?

>>15496219
Don't buy a Jeep ever! Get something like yeah Tacoma as you told or XTerra or uhm like Forester.

>>15496269
I've never had a new car, I used to have a Comanche pickup and it was okay although agricultural and my dad still has an old 124 spyder. I think it should last a while, shit my gf's pos 02 kia rio has 180k on it and is still kicking. I can afford it and my mortgage easily with my new promotion. and I was offered 3k trade for my current volvo which I may just keep as a secondary. I'd just drive it but my house is on a steep hill and we got freezing rain last year which required me to put tire chains on everyday. pita

new its this or an impeza sport and I dont care for the subie as much and no local dealer

>>15493619
>straight piped 4.0l STRAIGHT SIX
I know this feeling

>>15496219
That Jeep is nothing like your Comanche. You'll be very disappointed. Just get a small truck.

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>>15496122
>has never driven off road

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>>15497433

>>15496144
This.
Jeep is trash. If you flex at all you cant even open the door. Cheap ass bullshit.
>>15496154
>implying it makes a difference

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>>15497448
so i thought if someone actually drives offroad they are going to bash up the poor thing anyway so you want something thats garbage anyway.
would you want something like this? sure it has lockers and shit but would you have the balls to dent it all up

>>15497469
No i would want something reliable. No matter how fancy it appears to be.

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>>15497484
??? maybe

>>15497492
Right. But not fuck huge

>>15497469
>so i thought if someone actually drives offroad they are going to bash up the poor thing anyway
Only if you can't fucking drive.

>>15492781
Where's the PTO engage lever?

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>>15498333
the fuck do you have, a unimog?

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the best anti theft system ever made

>>15498333
>tfw i could actually use one.

>>15498383
What the nigger is that

>>15498722
They look like controls for a hydraulic crane or articulated arm.

>>15492901
those jimmies are scary, i shat my pants doing 120 on the autobahn

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>>15492750
>poverty wheels
noice

>>15497441
Anyone can park on a rock they have no hope of making it over for a forum profile pose shot.

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>>15498726
no

>>15498807
Well fuck. I bet a German made this.

>>15498807
The return to centre silver top levers are most definitely hydraulic controls.

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>>15498833

>>15498845
Ok, an what does that have to do with this pic featuring the four hydraulic levers? >>15498383

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>>15496830
Don't really need a truck I have an old ford for truck stuff, I decided I want a comfy 4x4 or awd vehicle. the cheap jheap can be had with heated seats, steering wheel wiper de icers and aux heater which would be nice in alaska. remote start isn't available on the 1.4 m/t combo. but I can get an aftermarket unit installed for a few hundred dollars. test drove a base model today, the turbo 4 and manual makes it feel pretty fun but it is quite slow.

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>>15498911
Ever consider Subaru? I own 3 of them.

Heres my beater, not pictured is my 15' XV Crosstrek.

>>15497666
No matter how talented you think you are, you're gonna beat on an actual off-road/crawling rig if you use it for what they're built up for. That's why literally every well-known off-road enthusiast/professional has extensive repair knowledge. Because shit gets beat up.

>>15499949
If you can't drive, maybe.

>>15499310

Cool Wagon, early 80's DL/GL?

>>15492647
You can get a crv with awd and 5mt

>>15499997
Yeah, this.
>>15499949
Sounds like you should stop being such a rough cunt and putting your vehicle where it's not designed to go.

>>15501123
>entire industries fueled by people purchasing thousands of dollars of equipment specifically for off road in as a hobby
>"where it's not designed to go"

Yeah fuck off. There is a time and place to baby the vehicles. Off roading/rock crawling is not one of those times or places if you want to go anywhere more than an overgrown service trail.

>>15497448
>if you flex at all you can't even open the door
This is true of literally any unibody vehicle people choose to take off-roading

>>15501163
Mate, sounds like you need to learn how to operate a 4x4, because damage is not the norm.
>>15501175
Literally never had this issue with opposing tyres in the air with a 3rd gen Pajero or (dare I say it) Disco 3.
Only ever seen this phenomenon with XJs and a WJ.

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Here's my truck, it's ok at off road stuff. Nothing too crazy tho cause of the huge wheelbase and Xboxhuge weight

>>15501292
It's like you've never heard of Moab, Ultimate Adventure, Baja races, or any of the huge annual events/races/road trips that off road types take part in. I don't what it is you think youre doing, but it's not any kind of serious off-roading.

>>15501645
yeah that beast has got huge weight alright, the truck is pretty heavy too.

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>>15502041

>>15491969
>If only it WERE made by Toyota
FTFY you ungrammatical shit

>>15502002
>implying
I've driven, navigated and marshaled plenty of winch challenges.
It's like you think "serious off-roading" is a valid excuse to damage up your vehicle.
Like the other anon said, it seems you new to spend more time on the ground picking a line and less time on the loud pedal. Stop being a rough cunt.

>>15502328
This.
I'm still convinced he's just an arm chair offroader who's read all the Patterson's magazines who thinks "rock rash" looks cool and is necessary to get through a trail.

>>15502002
So you think the only serious off roading is racing? That explains why you think doing damage to your vehicle is the norm.

>>15492786
It's the American consumers that are the problem. It seems like no one works or has value for money.

>>15502937
Actually it's the government. They taxed the hell out of foreign farm equipment so light trucks are essentially banned. I'd love to get my hands on an L200, but nope.

>>15499310
I am considering a new impreza sport. but no heated seats on sport premium and no m/t on sport limited. I'm gonna take one for a test this week.

>>15492750
Filipeanut?

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>>15502913
Well that's what serious offroading looks like in the magazines he reads.

>>15502328
>>15502687
>>15502913
So you're all going to tell me that you've never scraped, banged, dinged, or damaged your vehicle's off-roading? You must either be high on yourselves, never pushed the limits of your vehicles, or there was a serious breakdown in communication. I'm hoping, and expecting, that it's the latter, but you can never be sure on /o/ of all places.

>>15504286
The only damage sustained to my vehicle has been flat tires and some scratches. No actual body damage? Why? Because I can drive.

>>15502002
Next you will tell us the Finke desert is your run of the mill weekend off road trip.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8XZHUR-QsM

>>15504352
A couple of scratches/scrapes/bumps is, in my opinion, beating on your ride a bit. To say that someone can keep an off-road vehicle pristine is a joke, I don't know why everyone acts like I said doors have to be falling off to qualify as the vehicle getting "beat on". Granted, shit happens, vehicles flip (rarely), drive shafts break, whatever. /o/ posters tend to have an elevated opinion of their driving
skills though so I guess it is what it is.

>>15504363
Its my idea of "serious off-roading" yeah. Just like my other examples. Keyword is "serious" which is what I've been saying this whole thread. Idk why you all think a camping trip down an unpaved forest trail would fit in the same category as other "serious off-roading events", but it's pretty ridiculous. That's like calling yourself a professional drag racer because you like to race dudes off a stoplight from time to time. Theres nothing wrong with either, but no need to be melodramatic about it either.

>>15505094
>To say that someone can keep an off-road vehicle pristine is a joke
Who said pristine? Even a road car won't be pristine if you drive it hard. Sustaining body damage from off roading means you can't drive. It's as simple as that.
>I don't know why everyone acts like I said doors have to be falling off to qualify as the vehicle getting "beat on
Because you said you'll bash up a car if you take it off road.

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>>15491969
>looks good

anything unibody does not belong off road

>>15505862
>Who said pristine? Even a road car won't be pristine if you drive it hard. Sustaining body damage from off roading means you can't drive. It's as simple as that.

You heard it here folks. Anybody that's ever damaged a vehicle off-roading, or has received a ding/dent in anyway is incapable of operating a motor vehicle. Every professional driver, whether it be on a track or off road, who fits into the above category is to be fired immediately because they just can't drive. It's as simple as that.


>Because you said you'll bash up a car if you take it off road.

Where did I say that? I said off-road vehicles get beat on. Because they do, no matter how good a driver is. My first post was in response to the first faggot who said that a vehicle will only sustain damage if the person can't drive. I'm not the new-to-off-roading guy that was asking about having the balls to off-road a luxury suv.

>>15505910
nice meme bro

>>15504352
Fucking lol. You haven't been offroading then. I've taken trails in the Rockies where the only question was "which part do I want to scrape". It's offroading. Getting into trouble is what tests you and your vehicle. God this board sucks lately.

>>15506304
Shit driving skills, bro. Learn to pick your lines.

>>15506219
thats not a meme. its objectively true. When XJ drivers try to explain themselves, I just laugh

>>15506832
Yea, it's not. The XJ proves nothing, it's garbage all around.