what happened to circumferential visibility as safety feature?

I still remember when the car press couldn't shut up about bad circumferential visibility in cars and how IMPORTANT it is for car safety up to the early 00's but now?
nothing. no one talks about it anymore.
kinda fishy.

>>15427076
Visibility doesn't matter when drivers are all staring at their phones.

>>15427080
bcus cameras

>>15427084
B T F O
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>disregard logic
>add electronic aids

>>15427084
this desu famaladingdong

>>15427305
>>add electronic aids
>aids
literally

>>15427076
>what happened to circumferential visibility as safety feature?

Having the car body taller stops other cars from riding over the top of other cars. It also means fewer collateral damages. With a collision of two cars at speed in the city, one car can careen over a low car and hit other cars or bystanders after getting airborne. With tall cars, they will probably smack each other hard and stay there at the impact zone. Sure, that means the car with the front end needs a new engine most of the time, but that's how car design has changed.

You might argue for front bumpers too, but many cars no longer have front bumpers. Instead, the engine is the first real piece of thick metal in the front of the car after the radiator assembly and its holding frame.

Have you noticed how some cars put the grille right in front without a bumper? That means any love taps from other cars doing parallel parking will cause damage to your car if they are taller such as a truck or SUV. Don't park where those vehicles can get in front of you.

>>15427634
>You might argue for front bumpers too, but many cars no longer have front bumpers.

lolwut
gonna need some source on that.

usually there IS a fat bar behind the plastic front face.

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>>15427634
>some cars put the grille right in front without a bumper?

>>15427076
Smaller windows and higher beltlines make the body structurally stronger and improve collision survivability.

Seems kinda backwards considering that it'd also make accidents more likely, but I guess it was determined at some point that it was worth the risk? who knows.

>>15427305
>be Russia
>build super maneuverable fighters
>give shitty viability
>shitpost about F-35
>Add random computer monitors scattered around the cockpit with no logic
>continue F-35 shitposting

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>>15427742
>tfw it looks like you could jam a foot long ruler between the top of the dash and the roof of the vehicle

I swear my civic has bigger windows than a literal modern land boat.

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>>15427796

I can't find the picture anywhere, but someone here posted a picture of someone putting his hand up between the steering wheel and roof. Pinky was touching wheel and thumb was touching roof.

Not really related to safety, but the opening for the trunk is also pretty laughably small.

Modern cars make me feel claustrophobic

>>15427076
Cars will drive themselves soon anyway.

>>15427634
>many cars no longer have front bumpers
Name one.

>>15427634
the fuck am i reading

>>15427796
>drive 9th gen Civic
>beltline is way higher than my 5th gen but still not too bad
>hit reverse, backup cam turns on
>drive newer Hyundai Sonata
>oh fuck I can't see shit out the back
>hit reverse, no cam

HELP

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>>15427852
I got u br/o/

>>15427917

Thanks senpai. It's even worse, hand is on the gauge which can't be moved high as fuck like the wheel.

>>15427744
>be Usa
>make generation of fighters with excellent visibility and ergonomics
>replace them with an overpriced stealth turd

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>>15427634
>many cars no longer have front bumpers

>>15427634

>tfw driving glorious 80s car and having giant steel bumpers on both sides and no fear of fender benders or hitting small obstacles

Modernfags will never know this

>>15427076
Side impact protection happened.

You can't see the floor anyway, but you'll need all that door when the SUV hits you.

>>15427076
Not entirely sure what circumferential visibility is but...

Just get an ultrawide rearview mirror. Takes some getting used to, but it's ultimately very nice to have.

>>15428000

>"Overpriced turd" turns out to be incredibly capable airframe with excellent speed, visibility, and top tier energy recovery.

Wew lad.

>>15427852
I can touch the steering wheel and windshield with one hand on a MKIV Supra

>>15427076
Physical safety in an accident took precedence over visibility

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>>15428585
And in return more accidents happen because people can't fucking see out of the car.

Well done

>>15427076
>what happened to circumferential visibility as safety feature?

The car manufacturers made changes that improved the physical safety of passengers at the cost of car buyers needing to buy the options packages that add both cameras and sensors that even check the blind spots.

>>15427076
>>15427796
>>15427917

Confirmed for having never sat in one. It's just like in my 4th gen, the seating position is low so visibility actually isn't that bad

>>15428067
moose bumpers are a pretty easy aftermarket still

>>15428754
this

>>15427657
>gonna need some source on that.

I looked again because you said there would be a bumper hidden behind the front fascia. There is no "bar" or piece of "extra thick steel" behind the front fascia. The thick steel belongs to the steel beams under the engine which is way back. While there is a lot of metal, it is all sheet steel that has many folds and dimples in it for strength against bending in certain diretions as it holds up the radiator and fascia.

So there is a sort of framelike-webbing of various bent sheet steel pieces. No bars or roll bumper.
.

>>15427884
>Name one.
The idea of a protruding bumper that sticks out beyond the nose of a car is gone with my car's styling. On the chevy malibu, the chrome surrounding the grill is the first thing to be touched by a love tap. The grill is about one inch behind that. There is front fascia of course, but as you've seen with the malibu's pug nose, the fascia is not very tall so there is not much bent and folded sheet steel bumper behind it. There is some, but it's difficult to call bent and folded sheet steel a bumper even if it does have impact reduction. It's certainly no where near one of those real bumpers of thick steel I see on other cars (typically trucks and SUV).

So yes, you can say I am wrong about my 2016 car by going to an older car model which doesn't have the new styling. Or going to a truck and saying I am wrong. You can even go to your preferred vehicle (Abrams tank) and say I am wrong about vehicles. There are many vehicle examples of where I am wrong. But I wasn't speaking of older vehicles but of the newer crop of vehicles in recent years having design changes.

In the past decade, the amount of protruding front bumper has gotten smaller and smaller. In some cars, it only protrudes 3 inches now and not even as a distinct bumper as an individual part. Front bumpers as distinct individual parts have disappeared in many cars. The trend continues.

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>>15432592
>There is no "bar" or piece of "extra thick steel" behind the front fascia.

>>15432671
LOL, what good is putting the grill in front to protect the bumper? Stupid cars with expensive bodywork.

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>>15432704
>non-deformable steel bar at knee height
gee anon i don't know

>>15427076
Most idiots couldn't drive even if they could see

>>15428754
>ruin visibility
>cause more accidents
>make accidents more survivable
>sell more cars
>profit

>>15432784
also:
>Insurance rates go up.
>Hospital bills increase.

It's like someone somewhere read the broken window fallacy and said "Yeah, I don't get it, that seems like a great idea."

>>15432833
>>Hospital bills increase.

> 2016
> Still paying for healthcare

>>15432969
>Being a socialist faggot

>>15432979
>NOT being a socialist faggot

>>15432727
My car is worth more than this retards knee

>>15432969
Someone pays for it, I don't care if you pay for it or your government pays for it, it's not somehow magically free.

>>15428754
>And in return more accidents happen because people can't fucking see out of the car.
As long as it results in the sales of more cars! It's nice to have a technically legal excuse to get cars off the market so that more new cars can be sold as replacements. The parts replacement market should also be thankful for the design changes.

>>15427657
But that's the thing. The whole point of bumpers was to avoid damage in very low speed collisions. If a car with a 70's style 5mph bumper even love tapped a modern car it could cause $3000+ damage to the fascia. Having a bumper behind all that fragile shit is pretty stupid when it will only help after the front of the car is already fucked.

>>15433431
>your government
your tax dollars*

>>15429709
i drove one during a few days and visibility is awful
it's pleasing to drive still and i'd consider buying one if they weren't overpriced in yurop

>>15434696
It feels sort of like planned obsolescence. Make a technically legal modification to the style of cars to improve the rate of new car sales. But do so in a way that avoids lawsuits for making cars have accidents in such a way as to deliberately total themselves.

>visibility

there's plenty of room to see out

do you need a bubble to drive around in, is your spatial perception that poor

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>>15428091
>excellent speed
>mach 1.6

>>15428754
Exactly.
Then the insurance company gives the uninjured owner money and they buy another of your cars

>>15429709
I drove my buddy's 2013 around one night. I'm in rental cars a lot for work, and I've owned various cars over the years so adapting to a new ride shouldn't be difficult.

It was one of the most stressful driving experiences of my life. It is truly awful.

>>15427076
>16 camaro

Notoriously bad sight. I have a 16 2ss and you can drive the thing fine with no windows thanks to the blindside monitors. Sucks for 1ss folks.

It is a shame that we are putting trust into machine rather than driver. I guess Idiocracy is not far off.