Getting really tired of driving shit boxes and being from bu

>>15424960
If you go to diesel truck forums most people will tell you bankspower sucks

you're not going to get dick for 6000. the 04.5-07 5.9L Cummins are good for making big power. a friend has one that makes 900+whp and probably in the neighborhood of 2000 ft-lbs with intake, exhaust, turbo, injectors, rockers and a built trans. those are the only modifications, truck and engine have over 200k on them.

>>15424970
I can tell from their webpage its not very well organized. It was just a place for me to look for models with available aftermarket.

>>15424979
I'm finding plenty on craigslist for 6,000 and under I just don't know which years and models are good to get. I don't need the newest and best models.

What about a 94-97 ford 7.3? Those I'm finding pretty cheap and doesn't seem to be a bad starting place.

>>15425007
the 7.3L is slower than fuck. you'd be better off building a 5.3L Silverado. Duramaxes have never been fast, the pre-common rail Cummins wasn't fast and the 6.4L is the only Powerstroke that's fast. if you want a diesel that moves you're going to have to quadruple your budget.

>>15425007
Well maybe not a 94-97, I would like something newer with more power starting out.

Pretty much I just want something with good aftermarket.

>>15424960
Get a tank

>>15425020
Well that really puts a turd in my punch bowl. I don't need 900 horsepower, I though around 400-500 would be plenty I just didn't know what, if any, older trucks had the aftermarket to support it.

op wtf are you doing trying to spend your tiny budget on some massive pickup god damn get a good job save some decent cash and then you can live like a rich man

fuck

>>15425056
well look at it this way, a new Powerstroke makes 440hp stock and they run 14s. 400-500hp isn't a lot when you're pushing around 7-8k pounds with it.

>>15425104
I could afford payments on a new truck but I'd but I'd hate to be a slave to monthly payments for 5 or more years...

What about a 99 and a 1/2 to 2000 Ford 7.3? These any good or are they turds?

Another one that caught my eye are the 96-98 5.9 cummins, any good?

>>15425104
HP means fuck all in a diesel truck

Torque is the number to look at

>>15424960
Not sure of their pricing, probably still fairly high as they're a bit of a cult classic already but the F-150 SVT Lightning comes to mind.

Not diesel but supercharged V8, and fairly quick. Toyota also had a TRD Tacoma a ways back that was I believe a supercharged V6, and I believe it came in stock as well.

Otherwise there's the SRT-10 Ram but that's definitely higher up the price range by a good bit. And if you want stick you need to get a standard can, crew cabs were all four speed auto.

>>15425215
All of those are pretty much out of my price range, nice trucks though.

>>15425179
if you actually knew anything about diesels you'd know this isn't true at all. go ask a trucker what engine he's got, there is a 100% chance he's going to say something along the lines of "475hp Cat" instead of "2050 ft-lb Cummins" because the torque just gets them off the line but the horsepower keeps them moving down the highway. the dyno at my work doesn't even read torque, just horsepower.

>>15425157
again, the 7.3 is solid but just not fast. the Cummins is probably your best bet for the money.

>>15424960
>all these bro truckers kicking their accelerators to force the TCU to drops gears

lol and speed away.

>>15425299
I think you're right. The cummins seems to be the best bang for my buck as it's in older trucks. a 01-04 duramax might not be too bad of an idea but for 6 grand it will be tough to find one that's not ragged out.

Now I need to figure out if I want normal cab, crew cab, 4 door, short bed, long bed, auto, manual, 2x4 or 4x4.

The options are limitless.

Fast
Diesel
Affordable

Pick 2 and only 2

>>15424960
>My spending limit is 6,000
Get a gas truck, any diesel truck that cheap will have a million miles and/or be total shit in general.

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>>15424960
you buy one of these

700hp shelby f150

about $100,000

>>15425273
The dyno only reads torque you peanut.

>>15426295
yeah, no, horsepower.
>implying you know where I work

>a big ass truck. Thing is I still want to go fast
Enjoy rolling and/or killing someone.

>>15424960
They're all slow turds desu.

>HURR URR MUH TRUCK PUTS DOWN 900HP TO THE 24" AMERICAN FORCE AND WILL DO 11s

CSB, it's slow as balls compared to a 20 y/o turd foxbody with a junkyard LS.

Diesels don't make economic sense anymore. That's why fleets transitioned to gas/CNG and the only survivors have been oilrig and crane/work medium duties that need to idle to run their equipment.

>>15425806
>shelby f150
>pretend offroad truck with dynoqueen numbers and not a lightning successor

full fucking retard

>>15428170
Why is a 8000lb truck on 100lb wheels going 11s slow to you? Compared to what, your huayra?

>>15428825
Compared to my termi and adventure bike.

>Hurr durr, it's heavy so why is 11s slow?
>Hurr durr it's a trash truck not meant for racing, why is 30s slow?

>>15428047
>implying you know the first thing about anything
No, any dyno only reads torque. HP=(torque X rpm)/5252
HP is the relationship between torque and rpm, so your dyno actually only reads torque, and then applies the above equation to display horsepower. As you don't know such a simple thing, I doubt you've used a dyno, or worked on thing beyond changing oil, in your life.

>>15428902
okay faggot it gives you a horsepower number on the screen. not a torque number. congratulations on being a miserable pedantic douchebag. never said I operate the dyno.

>>15428918
Not that other anon, but this isn't pedantics. It's an entirely relevant fact that relates to your discussion.

Also, what kind of fucking dyno doesn't display the torque curve?

>>15428918
It's not pedantic. You said torque doesn't matter. With no torque you have no horsepower, so it does matter. I'm well aware you don't operate the dyno, I'd be surprised if you are able to sweep the floors efficiently.

Also, as the other anon said, what dyno is this? Make and model? Also never seen one that doesn't display a torque curve.

>>15428976
my point was that the dyno does not display torque. it shows horsepower and measures blow by. I'm well aware that the equation used to calculate horsepower requires knowing torque, but I think it's pretty clear that isn't relevant to what I was saying.

also I have no idea what brand the dyno is. it's at the Pete dealer I work at, and it's used for troubleshooting more than anything else.

>>15429026
>the dyno does not display torque

But that's wrong. Just google dyno results and notice that all the results have two distinct curves. One is horsepower, and the other is torque. I'm not sure that I've ever seen a dyno printout without a torque curve

>>15429026
>pretty clear that isn't relevant to what I was saying.
>"torque doesn't matter"
It's completely relevant.

Well, seeing as you "work there", wander over to the dyno and find out the model.

Get a syclone

Or a lightning

Or a al camino

Or a ranchero

>>15424960
If you actually want to go fast forget about diesels altogether and opt for a svt lightning or ram srt10. Youre not going to get much for $6,000 though.

>>15429623
This,
Sure the HP don't lie
but they don't tell you these fucking things weigh 5-6500 pounds.

>>15429623

>If you actually want to go fast forget about diesels altogether and opt for a 600cc supersport.

FTFY

>>15429873
>600cc
kek
1.6 or nah
http://www.motusmotorcycles.com/mst

>>15429890
>motus

this post is a meme right?

>>15429894
Just buy the crate motor

>>15429890
>http://www.motusmotorcycles.com/mst
>Why buy a bike off craigslist for 2k when I can spend THIRTY THOUSAND + INTEREST?

Good job.

>>15429909
Stop being poor, just buy more money yo

>>15429899
why would you buy that?

>>15429916
Because it's small enough to fit into anything and very easy to work on.
Not sure if they offer long blocks but a turn key is 10 grand.

>>15429910
>Owe nobody
>I'm considered poor by everyone with six figures in student loans, credit cards, and auto loans.

A..at least I have my shitbox senpai.

>>15429924
It's okay anon...one day we'll die and then we won't have to worry about money but eternal damnation for believing ecoboost memes.

>>15429920
>10 grand
>when you can get a kawa zx14r or a busa, like a complete bike, for that much

???

>>15429929
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6-zc5iQ9rw

>>15429934
>falling for the side by side meme

just buy a dune buggy, you can fit an actual good pushrod engine, an LS and register them for the street

>>15429932
I don't understand..Why not just buy crate motors and have a collection

>>15429938
2 meme

although 350 SBC long blocks are dirt fucking cheap

>>15429950
look senpai, if you ever gather enough money to afford a side by side, don't and buy something like this http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sand-Rail-Long-travel-/142048600682?forcerrptr=true&hash=item2112c1a26a:g:OoAAAOSwuzRXfyO3&item=142048600682
then drop a 350, although an LS is lighter

you will have a much better car, and if you want to register it, get a meyers manx

>>15429957

i'd build a sandrail, not buy one.


also V4 is dank

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Put a small block in a ranger or s10

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>>15429961
if you know how to fab, do it, otherwise you are going to fuck your shit up

>>15429977
Looks like a hunting platform desu.

>>15429934

>>15429983
>don't know what a hunting platform is
>google it
>mfw

that looks like, really gay

>>15429934
wow a 10k engine swap for 16 more hp.

>>15430015
You can cook the engines goodly tho

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>>15429924
>>15429910
>Owe nobody

fuck yeah

>>15425273
>torque doesnt matter
l m a o
never change /o/

>>15430037
what?

>>15430076
What i mean is the Motus V4 is very easy to modify and tune.

>>15430081
how? does it really have aftermakret?
its a custom engine anon, that costs 10k, and dont bullshit me with "its just like an LS"

>>15430175
You don't really need an aftermarket when it's built to be as open as it is.
Cut a SBC in half and it's basically a Motus V4 except for the heads and such.

You could prolly put a quadrajet on it 2bh

>>15430196
>1600cc + 1600cc = 3 liter
>half an SBC

what

>>15430208
I meant mechanically homo.

It's a 90 degree pushrod V4, it's retarded simple.

>>15430213
yeah but that doesn't mean you can buy parts for it in autozone or summit, doublehomo

>>15430081
so now we're at a 20k rzr, 10k crate motor, fabrication for swap + mawds? a 35-40k kart? you could buy a real sand rail with a real ls for that.

the motor is neat but not practical from a performance standpoint.

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>>15430232
>yeah but that doesn't mean you can buy parts for it in autozone or summit,
You probably will never need to, it has a common bore and very few components to fail.
The only challenge would be finding a V4 crankshaft and camshaft.

I mean the intake and exhaust are designed for you to put literally whatever your want on there.

>>15430240
You don't need to buy a rzr bruv.

you could prolly put this thing in a Miata

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>>15430247
>1.8 miata makes 140hp
>spending 20k on an engine+swap for 20hp more

what the fuck dude

>>15428170
I work at a company that sells propane and delivers ice all we have is diesels.

>>15430260
I didn't say it was practical, but if you wanted you could probably buy a block sans motorbike gearbox.

I think their point with this motor was to be a viable replacement for tired Harley engines but they built in a way to fit in anything.
I'll prolly buy one eventually and do something with one.

>Truck for $6000

Good luck. Truckfags tax the shit out of theirs trucks. They're way worse than the boomer faggots.

>89 S10 with no bed, no engine, transmission, and it's literally on fire.
>$7000

>>15430271
>harley

just buy a yamaha/kawa, and if you want muh merica, get an Indian

don't ever fall for the harley meme

>>15424960
Rice.

>yfw there's diesels running 7's with zero smoke.

>>15424960
>An American in my village imported a V8 pickup from Burgerland
>He financially cucked himself since fuel is fucking expensive here
>He only drives it occasionally now
>Mfw

>>15430313
ya im sure that extra 1-200 a month for fuel is really ruining the experience for him.

>>15430301
I'm not the one to tell, i ride hondurrrrrrr
but we all know harleyfags drop huge stacks for their hour-a-week rides.

If i got this i would just build a small roll cage car around it.

SBC swap is for muh classic this winter

>>15430319
I talked to him about it the other day, it was costing him 4x more to run his truck and fill up at the same intervals as me in my car, and we both work in the local town doing similar commutes.
The cheapest place to refuel charges £1.13/litre or about £5.13/gallon,which would be $6.80/gallon in USD.
Isn't it about $3/gal in most places across the USA?

>>15424960
Get a clean (and I stress clean) 70's chevy with a small block. It's reliable, easy to work on, lots of room to mod and parts are literally free or cheap as dirt. It sounds beautiful if you add headers to it too. With that extra money you'll want to give it a fresh new paint color because the original stock colors look like puke.

>>15430175
Ls6 heads will bolt right on and so will most performance exhausts.
It shares the same cam as a ls1 so that's all readily available

>>15430393

Grew up with a 74 Cheyenne that had a 400 in it. Sounded like heaven.

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>>15430575
> a v8 engine head will bolt in a v4 engine

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>>15430614
>not cutting it in half

>>15430614
What he means is the heads are identical with exception to the size.
If you could cut the heads in half, they would work.

>>15430622
>not just leaving half the head with no cylinder underneath

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>>15430641
>having cylinders

>not just a lit match to your injectors and powering your car with WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH

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>>15430624
>What I mean is

FITY

>>15430647
>I
but that wasn't me(me)

>>15424960
>hunting platform
get a chebby C/K and drop an cummings in

>>15424960
You aint gonna buy ass with 6k. If I were you I would start off with a cheaper gasser half ton truck. You could maybe find one that isn't on its last leg.

>>15430647
fuck in the yahoo?

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>>15430624
>>15430622
http://www.motusmotorcycles.com/files/v4.pdf
>88mm (3.465in.) bore x 67.8mm (2.669in.) stroke

http://www.z06vette.com/forums/f5/ls1-ls6-ls2-ls7-general-engine-specs-75925/
>Bore x Stroke = 99mm x 92mm

FUCKING REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

FUCKING PUSHROD AND LS FANGIRLS PISS ME OFF SO FUCKING MUCH

NO YOUR ENGINE IS NOT GOD'S GIFT TO MANKIND!!!

NO, A V4 BASED ON IT IS NOT A GOOD IDEA, ITS HEAVIER THAN A DOHC INLINE 4 USED IN OTHER SPORTBIKES AND AN LS6 HEAD WIL NOT BOLT IN!!!

ITS ALSO FUCKING EXPENSIVE, NO IM NOT PAYING 10K FOR A 1.6 V4 WHEN I CAN BUY A HAYABUSA/ZX4R ENGINE AND MAKE 700HP WITH 10K

YES 700 OUT OF A HAYABUSA ENGINE
>OH BUT MUH LS IS LIGHTER AND IT HAS PUSHRIODS SO BLARGHGRGHGAGAHRGHAGH

NOO FAGGOT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A MOTUS V4

REEE

REEEEEEEEEEE

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

A FUCKING LS6 WON'T BOLT RIGHT IN, IT DOESN'T EVEN HAVE THE SAME BORE, AND THE BORE SPACING IS DIFFERENT

FUCKING REEEEEEEEEEEEE


REEEEEEEEEE

>>15424960
youre a faggot.

>>15430715
>ITS HEAVIER THAN A DOHC INLINE 4 USED IN OTHER SPORTBIKES
Probably because it's supposed to be.

>ITS ALSO FUCKING EXPENSIVE
Quality products usually are.

>HAYABUSA/ZX4R ENGINE AND MAKE 700HP WITH 10K
lol also those numbers on the Motus are before forced induction.

>A FUCKING LS6 WON'T BOLT RIGHT IN, IT DOESN'T EVEN HAVE THE SAME BORE, AND THE BORE SPACING IS DIFFERENT

No shit retard, what we're trying to say is that the heads aren't some proprietary voodoo. They're just small LS heads.

stop being triggered over performance engines.
Japscrap is cool and all but it's poorfaggotry.

>>15429890
>166hp
nigga please. thats slow as fuck.

>>15431224
it's supposed to be in a motorcycle fag

>>15431230
>big
>heavy
>slow

Sorry, I'll stick to 1000cc bikes that are lighter and faster cruiserfag. Motus is shit and their engine sucks, are you a shill or do you know nothing of bikes?

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>>15431155
fuck you faggot, fuck you, you are a faggot
i wish you ill
fuck you

>Probably because it's supposed to be.
OH! so a bike engine is supposed to be heavy, in an application where it should be light?

like if the weight of an engine isn't relevant why do all bike maufacturers try to lower the weight of their bikes

>Quality products usually are.
also overpriced shit that has not demand whatsoever and have to sell at higher prices to pay loans, r&d and other expenses

>lol also those numbers on the Motus are before forced induction.
oh so it makes the same power than a literbike with almost double the displacement, a literbike engine that you can buy for 2k n ebay and rebuild for another 1k

>but you see it has pushrods and its lightweight so blrlgrgshrghsghaagah
yet its heavier than a literbike engine

>the heads aren't some proprietary voodoo.
yes they are faggot, do you think you can copy the design and sell them as your own?

>They're just small LS heads.
no they are not faglord, and if they are, they had to pay to GM

>stop being triggered over performance engines.
a performance engine that is LITERALLY outclassed by any 1000cc+ performance engine out there, nice

>Japscrap is cool and all but it's poorfaggotry.
>You don't get this is outclassed, overpriced, memebike is better than the other bikes because it is EXPENSIVE

fuck you, fuck you fuck you and your siblings

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>>15431263
>ooga booga

>>15431232
>>big
1.6 liters is pretty big for a bike.
Vmax only makes a smidge more power.

>>heavy
Most V4s are, anyway the engine alone weighs about 150 pounds. a couple of pounds heavier than a CBR1000rr engine.
>>slow
I beg to differ, maybe in a car.

>are you a shill
Yes, for V4s


>>15431263
>fuck you faggot, fuck you, you are a faggot
>i wish you ill
>fuck you
Why mad

>OH! so a bike engine is supposed to be heavy, in an application where it should be light?
The engine weighs less than you lul

>also overpriced shit that has not demand whatsoever and have to sell at higher prices to pay loans, r&d and other expenses

This doesn't really apply to the performance of the engine but okay

>oh so it makes the same power than a literbike with almost double the displacement, a literbike engine that you can buy for 2k n ebay and rebuild for another 1k

>1.6 liters is twice as much as 1 liter
lul

>yet its heavier than a literbike engine
Literally not really.
Weighs like 70 pounds less than my V4.

>yes they are faggot, do you think you can copy the design and sell them as your own?
You clearly aren't understanding what i'm saying.

> performance engine that is LITERALLY outclassed by any 1000cc+ performance engine out there, nice
Post your 1000cc n/a engine making over 166hp pls.

>fuck you, fuck you fuck you and your siblings
>this triggered

Being completely completely genuine with this question, why are you so upset that a company made an engine?

>>15431289
Im triggered by retards like you, not by the engine

>The engine weighs less than you lul
oh wow yet there are engines that happen to be lighter, plus i don't know if they are weighting the engine without a trans, they most likely are because fuck you

>This doesn't really apply to the performance of the engine but okay
10k for a bike engine is really quite a lot, thats way more than what BMW and Dcuati charge, more than Aprilia

>1.6 liters is twice as much as 1 liter
the keyword is almost you massive faglord

and its funny because a gsxr750 makes 10 hp less

YES 10 HP LESS than the midly tuned engine, with half the displacement

>Weighs like 70 pounds less than my V4.
and several pounds more than other v4s and inline 4s

>Post your 1000cc n/a engine making over 166hp pls.
fo you really want me to list all the literbikes that make over 180hp

really dude?


stop drinking the kool-aid

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>>15431289
Every single euro and jap mfg, hell even fucking EBR makes 1000cc+ I4, V2, or even for aprilla V4s making more power than your shit ass engine for less weight.

I refuse to believe you can even ride a bike. Nobody is this stupid. You must own a fucking 800cc honda interceptor and you dream of moving up.

Nobikes, git.

>>15431317
it would have been pretty cool if they just cut an LS7 in half so most of the parts became interchangeable
like make a v4 and a v2 out of existing technology

but they decided it was a good idea to make a brand new engine and charge the whole price of a new bike for one

what the fuck, I hope they keep floating because more bikes is always good but fuck dude

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>>15431312
>oh wow yet there are engines that happen to be lighter
There are engines that perform worse, engines that perform better, engines that look funny and smell like shit. I'm having trouble understanding why you think 150 pounds is heavy for a four cylinder. Not even taking into account that it's burning 600ccs more than a CBR1000RR, it's barely heavier.

>plus i don't know if they are weighting the engine without a trans
Good question, pic fucking related directly from their website.
>th..they're lying
>grasping this hard.
You don't know heavy until you ride a cast iron V4 daily. The Motus is aluminum.

>10k for a bike engine is really quite a lot
It's a niche product and 10k is for a turn-key engine. They don't have a price for bare blocks, short blocks or long blocks.

>thats way more than what BMW and Dcuati charge, more than Aprilia
You can't measure crate engine prices against each other, they're not things average people buy.
You can buy a 350 SBC long block for $1500. Good luck finding Chrysler crate engines of any type for less than $10k from Mopar. Ford is almost as bad.

>the keyword is almost you massive faglord
Not even fucking close. You're missing ALMOST half a fucking liter.

>and its funny because a gsxr750 makes 10 hp less
Okay, it's making less than half the torque of the Motus though. GG no re.

>YES 10 HP LESS than the midly tuned engine, with half the displacement
And this is where you're not seeing the picture, the Motus is clearly designed to be tinkered with. That's why it's so retardedly simple.

>and several pounds more than other v4s and inline 4s
lol no.
5 pounds more than a CBR1000RR engine is nothing.
My V4 weighs almost 250 pounds without a gearbox.

>fo you really want me to list all the literbikes that make over 180hp
I want you to post your liter bike. There's more to it than HP numbers. What's the point in going fast in a straight line on the toe-gay.
The Motus is producing most of its torque in the mid RPM range. 1/2

>>15431312
2/2
the 1 liter gixxer is making most of its torque in the high rpm range. It's a different riding style. deal w/it.
If you like literpiters that's cool.

>>15431331
They won't. If EBR couldn't stay afloat with sport bikes these fools never will with a 30k slow cruiser. Only people who shill for them can't afford them.

Pretty stoked that EBR is back tho. Just saw a brand new 1190R and it was beautiful in the limited edition stars and stripes scheme.
>>15431346
Because bigger displacement does not equal better. What part of this do you not get? These guys have done nothing that hasn't been done better before.
>My V4 weighs almost 250 pounds without a gearbox.
Called it, you ride a fucking interceptor. This bike blows, get over it. And I say that as a V2 torque fag, this engine sucks.

>>15431317
I'm one of about 4 anons on /o/ that owns a liter V4. I know V4s better than you noobs lol.

>>15431358
V2 is lighter and better with all the torques you crave. Unless you are building a drag bike nobody cares. Buy a ZX14 and call it a day Honda bro

>>15431357
>Because bigger displacement does not equal better.
No shit. It's not bigger displacement to be better, it's bigger displacement so it could be viable in a car as well.

>These guys have done nothing that hasn't been done better before.
Besides produce a readily available, easily modifiable, compact V4?

>Called it, you ride a fucking interceptor.
Try again, over a liter.

>And I say that as a V2 torque fag,
Typical V-twin fag mad because he lacks two extra cylinders.

>>15431359
>V2 is lighter and better with all the torques you crave
Is that why the fastest production motorcycles are all four cylinders?

>Unless you are building a drag bike nobody cares

>whines about less than 10 hp
>"oh no it don't matter unless drag racing"
dyin rn 2bh

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>>15431346
im sick and tired of arguing with your ass, you are stubborn as fuck, there is no reason to make a complete new engine when you can make a v2 and a v4 out of an existing LS block, hell people are making v12 and v16

as a matter of fact I recall someone is making v4 LS engines, last I heard he was going to race it in the salt flats

i didn't even read ur post, i just gave it a glance and say that you wnt full retard and spouted >"muh torqz"

yeah dude, like if torquez matter on a sport touring bike

fuck you anon, im not going to spend my night arguing with you, im going to make my own V2 and V4 pushrod motorcycle for less than 20k, fuck you anon

>>15431389
>say
saw*

>>15431381
>Is that why the fastest production motorcycles are all four cylinders?
Remind me which V4 that is again?
>"oh no it don't matter unless drag racing"
Sorry, I guess you just want to be heavy and not turn.
>it's bigger displacement so it could be viable in a car as well.
great...that makes it a shit bike engine then weight wise
>Besides produce a readily available, easily modifiable, compact V4?
Something nobody has asked for?
>Try again, over a liter.
You shitpost but don't know of the VFR1000?
>Typical V-twin fag mad because he lacks two extra cylinders.
And more power than you?

The engine sucks for a bike. If your argument is car use so be it but it is utter fucking shit for anything but a drag bike.

>>15431389
>im sick and tired of arguing with your ass,
because you keep losing lol

>you are stubborn as fuck,
Because i'm fucking right.
You are literally mad over nothing.

>there is no reason to make a complete new engine
This right here is the problem with you faggots, You think that if you can't surpass what's already there then there's no point in making something.

>when you can make a v2 and a v4 out of an existing LS block
As you've already said, you'd have to license from GM :^)

>
i didn't even read ur post, i just gave it a glance and say that you wnt full retard and spouted >"muh torqz"

>yeah dude, like if torquez matter on a sport touring bike

lol


>Remind me which V4 that is again?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fastest_production_motorcycles_by_acceleration
VMAX is right there, lrn2google.

>Sorry, I guess you just want to be heavy and not turn.
>has never ridden bike
>claims it can't turn
busriders lol

>great...that makes it a shit bike engine then weight wise
Sorry, maybe this argument would hold water if it actually weighed substantially more than other liter 4 cylinders.

>Something nobody has asked for?
You don't need people to ask for something to make something.

>You shitpost but don't know of the VFR1000?
I know of VFR1000 but that's not what you claimed.
see:>>15431317
>You must own a fucking 800cc honda interceptor

>And more power than you?
KEK

>The engine sucks for a bike.
So do V-twins lol

>If your argument is car use so be it but it is utter fucking shit for anything but a drag bike.
It's a crate motor, you can use it for whatever you want and build it to perform as you want it.
Anyway MV4R makes 180 peak hp and 126 ft lbs.

>>15431434
You're confusing me with someone else. Regarding the latter part of your post your V4 sucks cock, the MVR4 sucks cock, and you can't even lean. Please, tell me what you ride so I can laugh at you.

And as far as V2 vs I4 goes that is personal preference regarding rev range. The V4 is just garbage, hence why only Aprilla fucking bothers with it anymore.

Please, show me your pigfat cruiser with floorboards so I can get a chuckle in before crashing out.

>>15431447
>Regarding the latter part of your post your V4 sucks cock, the MVR4 sucks cock, and you can't even lean.
Nice arguments.

>Please, tell me what you ride so I can laugh at you.
you first fuccboi, this'll be the third time i axed you to post your bike.

>The V4 is just garbage
Said v-twins fags.


>Please, show me your pigfat cruiser with floorboards so I can get a chuckle in before crashing out.
>implying it's not naked
You're running out of guess yo, better work that brain more harder.

>>15428833
Youre fucking 15 years old if you think an hd going 11s is slow that will run with a latest viper or gtr or porsche you fucking nit

>>15431452
As I said you are confusing me with the other guy bud. You can make more power with a lighter I4 or V2, why have more weight?

You ride a cruiser. Nobody takes you seriously.

>>15431464
>As I said you are confusing me with the other guy bud.
post bike.

>why have more weight?
My engine is heavier than most but the overall weight of the bike isn't too bad.
Gearing is pretty good tbqh

>You ride a cruiser. Nobody takes you seriously.

Nope, keep trying.

>>15431434
>waah waah I win you lose!
>Im right ur wrong!
whatever princess

you can buy a zx14r for half the cost of a motus sport tourer and they both make the same power

>oh well mu torq
it's not a truck, is a bike, plus a zx14 makes JUST 10 ft-lb less, plus the engine with gearbox don't weight 225 lbs, they weight 180lbs

>but muh pushrods are lighter hurr durr
no, not with that retarded transverse layout

>oh well thats a lot of extra torque I win
no

>w-well but the torque makes it easier to ride
then get something a concour 14, it makes less power and more torque if you feel like towing with your sport tourer

hell you can buy BOTH for the cost of one motus bike

or if you feel like letting everyone know you have the biggest dick in town you can buy an h2


>You think that if you can't surpass
the problem is motus is not surpassing anyone

>>15431473
>post bike
why so people can sperg out at me as usual? pass
>My engine is heavier than most but the overall weight of the bike isn't too bad.
Horeshit, nobody who rides a sportbike has ever said this. Nobody cares about a heavy ass sport tourer. You want to see a versatile engine? Look at BMW and their liter engine. They've put it in a sport bike which is top of the class, an adventure bike which is top of class, and they are going to put it in a sport tourer.

Being caught up on engine configuration is just stupid. V4 is dead.

>>15431481
>the problem is motus is not surpassing anyone
/argument
Its odd, its interesting, but its better than nothing else already availible

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>>15431497
yes, and it would be even better if it were cheaper, because more people would be interested in it, 30k for a bike is a lot dude, specially since people are just going to default to bmw, ducati and mv augusta


If they are selling the engine for 10k where do the extra 20k go to? what the fuck?

plus if the engine is going to weight 225lbs, i dont see why they didn't use an existing block

half an LS is like 200lbs, they could even make V2s for sports bike and V4 for cruiser/sport touring bikes

>>15431481
>you can buy a zx14r for half the cost of a motus sport tourer and they both make the same power
okay cool I wasn't going to buy a Motus bike anyway but thanks.

>it's not a truck, is a bike,
Yes, you're right but torque still has value in a bike and the application this is aimed for has more value in torque than horsepower.

>plus a zx14 makes JUST 10 ft-lb less
Dope but why buy x when you can buy y.
Your "argument" makes sense, nobody should buy a Motus if they're looking for the best that ever was. That's not what i've been talking about at all. So why buy a Galaxy if an iPhone can do it all too? Why buy a Honda Civic if you can just get a Prius? Probably because people don't all want what you want.

>plus the engine with gearbox don't weight 225 lbs, they weight 180lbs
That's cool because the gearbox is designed to function in whatever you want it to. It's not exclusive to motorcycles as i'm sure you know.

>no, not with that retarded transverse layout
Lol i wasn't even ever talking about this.
Motus went with pushrods because they are easy to modify or repair. I see downsides in this as well, if they went with OHC there's no doubt this engine could perform so much better. As it is right now, the valvetrain is the limiting factor in the redline. It's running on the edge of what pushrods are capable of.

>>oh well thats a lot of extra torque I win
>no

This engine will be capable of traversing corners without needing to downshift as frequently as high-hp, low torque engines. That's the point of cruisers.
>hell you can buy BOTH for the cost of one motus bike
You're still harping on this even though i concede the whole motorcycle package is retarded. The only value i see in this is the crate engine.

>the problem is motus is not surpassing anyone
So you think the only things worth making are things that are simply better? Apple shouldn't exist if this is what you believe.

>>15431568
>That's the point of cruisers.
its not even a cruiser dude, its a sport tourer

what the fuck

you don't need to shift on every an OHC sport tourer either, this is not moto GP

what the fuck dude seriously

>>15431489
>why so people can sperg out at me as usual? pass
So you ride a piece of shit but want to sperg on me?

>Nobody cares about a heavy ass sport tourer.
It's not a sport tourer either.
Jesus Christ how dumb.

>V4 is dead.
It was never alive to begin with lul
If you actually knew about V4s you would understand the drawbacks that hold the configuration back but you don't because most of your time is crowding a bus.

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>>15431576
>It's not a sport tourer either.

it is a fucking sport tourer dude

I just googled "sport tourer" check what I found

>>15431575
>its not even a cruiser dude, its a sport tourer
It's marketed towards Harley owners as a swap. That has value on sport tourers as well.

>this is not moto GP
Then stop bitching about less than 20 hp or ft lbs of torque.

>cries about other bikes having one or two more hp
>oh no dude it doesn't matter this isn't motogp lol

>what the fuck dude seriously

My question exactly, are you so desperate to win an e-argument that you have to doublethink?

>>15431583
>it is a fucking sport tourer dude

I'm talking about my bike homo. You seem to keep thinking that i ride a pigfat bike but it's a standard/naked. Are you going to keep guessing?

How about post your bike and then i'll post mine with timestamp.

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>>15431606
I've posted my bike several times in the /daily bicurious thread/, you don't need to post yours but feel free to do so

>It's marketed towards Harley owners as a swap.
>harley owners
do they even care about buying bikes that are not made by Harley?

>Then stop bitching about less than 20 hp or ft lbs of torque.

im not even bitching about hp, im bitching about the weight, like its a pushrod engine but its heavier than an OHC?

why is this allowed?

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>>15431642
>I've posted my bike several times in the /daily bicurious thread/, you don't need to post yours but feel free to do so
What the hell is that thing

>do they even care about buying bikes that are not made by Harley?
Probably not but it runs a fuckload better than any Harley engine and it's American made so it has potential.

> im bitching about the weight
This'll be like the fifth fuckin time i'd said this, the engine is light as fuck considering it's displacement.
I'll even go a step further, the other appeal is that it's dimensionally small.
>but it looks big!
What you're not seeing here is the sleeved cylinders that could most likely be bored out to 2 liters without sacrificing anything.
That's a small as fuck engine for two liters if one chose to do so.

The weight of the gearbox is necessary because of it's application in heavier vehicles. You're not going to move 1500 pound quads without shearing teeth off a sportbike gearbox. You probably can't bring the weight down thanks to the design of the engine but you can most certainly slap to a car sized gearbox.

>>15431688
>What the hell is that thing
/dbt/ thread you new fucking fag
>Probably not but it runs a fuckload better than any Harley engine and it's American made so it has potential.
Yeah, they'll go under soon just like Buell/EBR, except their product wasn't shite
>This'll be like the fifth fuckin time i'd said this, the engine is light as fuck considering it's displacement.
Dude, nobody fucking cares about displacement. Its power to weight that matters on a bike. You are as dumb as the yuropoors and their power/L ratios. It doesn't matter in the real world.

Look, we get the engine is cool and interesting, but it has no place in the market at any price, let alone a 30k sport tourer. I hope you didn't buy their stock.

>>15431688
thats the very defintion of "shitbike" my friend

> the engine is light as fuck considering it's displacement.
no its not dude, the zx14r is around 180lbs with trans, and there is a 1570cc stroker kit for it

it should at least be as heavy as an OHC engine

>2 liter I mean sure, but think about this, you need to spend 10k on an engine, and then spend more money boring it out, getting new pistons, rings, gasket and you still have to solve the issue of the head bore sizes

I really want to like the engine, but its really overpriced

>>15431724
looking at that pic I have $50 on this guy being a rotard who doesn't understand why they aren't used anymore.

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>>15431733
nothing wrong with rotary engines faglord

If you want I can rape your mom

>>15431752
>nothing wrong with rotary engines faglord
Of course not, thats why the 1600cc V4 is so great in an opposite way...on paper.
>If you want I can rape your mom
Considering I'm an American I dare you. Best get the jump bud.

I think I have far surpassed the point of logical discussion with you. Good luck with your 30k shitbike sport tourer brand when they go under.

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>>15431714
>/dbt/ thread you new fucking fag
I'm in /dbt/ 24/8 you new fucking fag, I meant what the fuck bike is that.

> they'll go under soon just like Buell/EBR, except their product wasn't shite

They've been going on for at least 4 years now.
Seems pretty good considering they started from scratch with a high risk product and a difficult market to enter.

>Dude, nobody fucking cares about displacement.
except people that do.

>Its power to weight that matters on a bike.
The MST weighs just shy of 600 pounds. They're doing pretty good for a sport tourer.

>but it has no place in the market at any price,
lol this has literally never stopped anyone.

>>15431724
>the zx14r is around 180lbs with trans
Cool, one engine happens to be smaller, wow.

>and there is a 1570cc stroker kit for it
Jesus christ why would you ever do that how fucking paper thin do you want your cylinders to be.

>it should at least be as heavy as an OHC engine

Well like i've said, 4 times now, it's 5 pounds heavier than a CBR1000RR engine.

>you need to spend 10k on an engine
If you buy the whole thing complete with wiring harness, ECU, injection, gearbox, gearbox adapters, etc.
You're getting a turn key engine for that but cool buy a bare Kawasaki block and build it, i'm not begrudging you.

>the head bore sizes
It's using LS7.R architecture. How fucking hard do you think it is to build heads for probably the most ubiquitous engine design ever made?

>but its really overpriced
Are you one of those people bitching about how there's no $20k 560hp RWD V8 Sedan on the market

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>>15431767
>Of course not, thats why the 1600cc V4 is so great in an opposite way...on paper.
wrong guy lol :^)


>Considering I'm an American I dare you
You think you're the only American huh?

>>15431733
Emissions. That's the biggest thing. That's what stopped America from getting the real FD.

You can get ridiculous power out of a rotary for its weight. Imagine a four rotor with extended ports and a total displacement of 2.6l. It would weigh less than 300 lbs, maybe around 200 with an all aluminum design, and could easily push 4-500 horsepower N/A with the right ignition setup. It won't happen because it burns oil and shoots out raw fuel, and that's bad for the environment (honestly would make zero impact compared to fucking China, and all these battery mines for electric and hybrid cars, it's just the perception that idiots get). Yes, the car would be thirsty, but less so with proper fuel management and ignition; and it would be the one price paid to the owner for amazing weight reduction/distribution.

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>>15431767
im not the motus fanboy guy dude

also why would you being american stop me from raping your mom, that was so bizarre

>>15431768
>Well like i've said, 4 times now, it's 5 pounds heavier than a CBR1000RR engine.
Cool, one engine happens to be almost as heavy, wow.

>gearbox, gearbox adapters,
it doesn't come with gearbox, its 9k for the engine

>How fucking hard do you think it is to build heads for probably the most ubiquitous engine design ever made?
im not saying its going to be complicated, im saying is going to be EXPENSIVE
are you going to spend 30k on a bike and then 10k getting new heads, valves, pistons, piston rings and gaskets manufactured?
why?

who is going to do that?

>Are you one of those people bitching about how there's no $20k 560hp RWD V8 Sedan on the market

>cars
thats literally irrelevant, when you can buy a similar bike for HALF the fucking cost, I think you got a problem

also

>americans threatening to shoot eachother
fucking KEK, the memes are real

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>>15431799
>Cool, several engines happens to be almost as heavy, wow.
ftfy
>its 9k for the engine
Pretty good price to me.

> im saying is going to be EXPENSIVE
Like all custom custom engine building huh? Sounds like poorfag envy coming from you tbqh

>are you going to spend 30k on a bike
never said i did.

>then 10k getting new heads, valves, pistons, piston rings and gaskets manufactured?
You don't need 2 liter pistons, and valves manufactured. They're already common as shit. Maybe conrods, maybe.

>who is going to do that?
Someone with money apparently. Why are you so upset that poorfag neets can't afford to build an engine?
>well you can just do this other thing for less money, less power etc.
Why would you live your life this way? Always doing the same damn bullshit always buying the same shit always?

>thats literally irrelevant, when you can buy a similar bike for HALF the fucking cost, I think you got a problem
Even though i never sponsored buying the bike.

>>americans threatening to shoot eachother

>doesn't understand the banter
lol

>to be almost as heavy, wow.
considering azx14r is like 180lbs and a hayabusa engine is 190lbs, no not at all

>Pretty good price to me.
wat

>Like all custom custom engine building huh? >Sounds like poorfag envy coming from you tbqh
literally expensive_bag_of_shit.jpg

>Someone with money apparently
>apparently
yeah just like people with money bought EBR and Indian bikes

>Why would you live your life this way? Always doing the same damn bullshit always buying the same shit always?
why wouldn't you?
literally why on earth would anyone pick something that isn't the best?
its not that a zx14r or a busa is boring anyway

>doesn't understand the banter
clearly you don't bud

>>15431819
meant to reply to >>15431809

>>15431819
>considering azx14r is like 180lbs and a hayabusa engine is 190lbs, no not at all
and a bare K7 weighs 140 lbs. Motus confirmed lighter than a feather.

>wat
Pretty good price to me

>literally expensive_bag_of_shit.jpg
The cheapest you will ever build an engine is buying a $1500 350 sbc long block, throwing a Holley on top, and dumping it in a RWD car with a gearbox already set up. You will literally find no cheaper crate engine setup.

>yeah just like people with money bought EBR and Indian bikes
Different strokes for different folks. If i had that kind of money i wouldn't touch either of those manufacturers anyway.

>why wouldn't you?
Because i like variety.

>literally why on earth would anyone pick something that isn't the best?
Because they're not the best at everything.
Why by a Camry when you can buy a Civic?
Why buy a Tesla when you can buy a Volt?
Why buy grape when you can buy Orange?
This is how i know you are absolutely slum-favela tier. You have to rationalize your choice as the best so you don't have to deal with the face that you can't afford anything else.
You're the type of person that drives a Miata, not because he wants to, but because he would have to suck 90 cocks to get anything better.
So you shitpost in every thread

>just buy a Miat
You're not even hiding it at this point lol.
Some day you'll get a job and opt for the Mercedes over the BMW and you'll realize that you did it simply because you could.

Anyway i need to go see how much Motusbux™ i received for sponsoring The mighty Baby Block®.

>>15425179
This shitty meme needs to die

>>15429019
Different anon here, but torque means literally nothing when it comes to accelerating a vehicle, which was the original discussion about torque vs. hp in a heavy duty truck

>>15431457
>Thinking stock 11 second cars are fast
>projecting being a 15 y/o
>t. magazine racer

>>15432086
If you have literally no torque, you have no horsepower.

>>15432244
Not that guy mate. but you're a complete and utter retard.

>>15432244
I suppose you drive an 8sec beast hey mate? Tryhard.

>>15432274
>>15432279
11 seconds isn't fast by any measure. Get over it.

I run S/G so yes. I could go faster if I felt like dropping the 555 in a dragster.

>>15432404
>11 seconds isn't fast by any measure.
By your logic, "S/G isn't fast by any measure". "I run T/F so yes".

What arbitrary ET does one have to achieve to be considered "fast" that isn't lifted from your own Uncitable Encyclopedia of You?

>>15432415
CSB. Enjoy your slow truck.

>>15432419
The Chemical Safety Board?
8/8 shitpost m8.

this is possibly the worst thread in /o/ history

great job u faggots