Banning Cars?

>>15370847
i you think that you can create a traffic infrastructure to service rural areas that pollutes less than cars you are very mistaken

>>15370847
Sure, you and your ilk can pay for it.

If I'm allowed to ride a motorcycle on these roads then sure, the only reason I haven't bought one yet is other drivers in cars.

This would never happen and it would be incredibly inefficient while at the same time costing the city a shitload with having to pay for WAY more public transportation, revamping the infrastructure while also losing out on various tax revenue and fines associated with cars.

>>15370854
It surely wouldn't be too difficult to schedule a train coming into a rural town once every half an hour for a few minutes stop.

>>15370860
Money used for this could easily be taken from road maintenance, now that heavy vehicles aren't constantly travelling over them.

>>15370866
A low powered motorcycle would make sense for more rural areas.

>>15370847
we already have a nationwide train service with stops at regular intervals in towns and cities here because we're not a third world country

>>15370923
It's not primarily about the train service idea but the idea of banning cars in REPLACEMENT of trains and bicycles.

Would be nearly impossible. They'd have to make an absolutely massive public transit system that can serve everybody. As it stands most areas in the US can barely keep up with basic road maintenance.

The world was built around the automobile. It's faster than other methods of travel in most parts of the country.

>>15370964
>most areas in the US can barely keep up with basic road maintenance
Exactly. By cutting road maintenance and using the money that would usually go towards petrol we can create a fluid system of transport, with trains obviously going much faster than cars added onto the fact that there will be no more traffic jams.

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>>15370964
>The world was built around the automobile
No, only the part of the world you live in

It is far from inevitable that things should remain the way they are now

Human settlements are built up and abandoned according to need

We don't need rural people anymore because agriculture is modernized and very few people are needed to keep the farms running

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>>15370847
The only way you take my car is if you pry it from my cold dead hands

>>15370880
>It surely wouldn't be too difficult to schedule a train coming into a rural town once every half an hour for a few minutes stop.
How?
You are FUCKING RETARDED

>>15371185
>Cars could be used for leisure outside of cities, in purpose made tracks and because they would only be owned for enthusiast, there wouldn't be a problem with fumes

>>15371197
Having a dedicated public transport network would allow for a link to be made for a general area, where you could enter a train at your local station, arrive at the major station for your collective area, get off, get on another train leaving your area. Meanwhile, the train you've just got off of while restart it's loop.
Given the price of petrol, this would actually save money.

>>15370847
How would you pay for it?
Where would you put the lines?
How would you keep people off the lines?
How would people get from the station to their destination?

>>15371162
>the only rural people are farmers

you and OP are literally retarded

I wouldnt care if it was actually done well

cars are an inconvient waste of money tbqh

If I lived in a place where I can get around easily using public transit then I wouldn't mind desu. It's not possible in my city; buses close after 2am and it can take me like 2 hours to get somewhere that would otherwise take 20min in a car.

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>>15371162
>I live in the big city, we don't need rural people anymore ;)

please tell me what drug you're on and where i can get some

>>15371231
Well yeah there are unabomber types too, and people employed in the resource extraction industries, but they contribute nothing of value and in many cases are a problem that needs fixing. Look at all these trump-voting coal miners, for instance.

>>15371227
>How would you pay for it?
I've went over this first point already.
>Where would you put the lines?
The lines would be kept both over and under street level in cities and next to roads in the country.
>how would you keep people off the lines?
Uh, how do you keep people off roads?
>how would people get from the station to their destinations?
See >>15371218

As long as I can keep my motorbike and share the roads with cyclists I'm fine with banning all private cars. Obviously there would be need for delivery trucks and emergency vehicles but I don't see that being a problem.

I can see a good public transport network replacing the need for cars in most areas. And in most places small scooters, motorbikes or even e bikes would be more practical than a car.

>tickets and taxes
>between places people need to travel the most
>?
>bike rental stations around cities(e bikes so people don't even get sweaty while pedaling to their destination) , make transportation of bikes easy in trains.

>>15371242
Public transport usage would obviously go up which would increase the supply of public transport options. Not a valid problem.

>>15371247
It doesn't have to be a huge tokyo-style megalopolis

A smaller, relatively dense mixed-use urban area would allow high quality of life while supporting less wasteful modes of transport such as rail, bike, and walking

>>15371260
Forgot to reply to >>15371227

>>15370908
I'm likely moving to semi-rural Denver in a year and every fucking road from what I've seen is a single-lane, straight line shitfest. I figure a motorcycle would at least be safe on that while also alleviating some boredom.

>>15371231

Oh, and there are also the people who live there to be hardxxcountrystonk xDDD meanwhile they commute to the fucking city/town for work, food, entertainment, and everything else at least daily, spewing fumes between just because. Most people who live innacuntry don't even use their goddamned land for more than a junk keep. Almost none of them garden, let alone homestead. They just want to consider themselves cuuuuntry hyuk hyuk so cowboy and whiskey, and masturbate over their giant unused lawn, meanwhile they sit inside and watch tv all day, never leaving their house except to board the car.

There's also a few retired people who live in the sticks and have their 90 year old drug addled near-death selves drive on a highway into town/city several times a week to buy groceries, get tons of medical care paid for off the backs of the young, write checks for a $4 purchase, and stand around complaining over a two cent price increase and hold up the line. Then they drive to their country home and sit inside watching television. Until they end up killing some innocent person some day when they croak behind the wheel or doze off from the 90 different meds they take.

Fuck you, you selfish tard.

>>15371310
I love you, nohomo (unless you're into that just kidding not that there's anything wrong with that)

>>15371270

Pretty much. A lot of cycles, scooters/mopeds, and motorbikes here. Why semi-rural and not urban?

>>15371310
lol, I live in Mississippi and your insight is phenomenal. Surely you know what's best for everyone. I'd discuss this further but I've got to go drink some bath water HYUK HYUK

>>15371310
>Some faggot in NYC who's never owned a driver's license wonders why everyone else can't be like him

Ironic you say that about people in the sticks polluting while big cities are the absolute fucking worst

>>15371218
>where you could enter a train at your local station, arrive at the major station for your collective area, get off, get on another train leaving your area
How do you get from your house to the train?

10/10 bait thread op

hook, line, and sinker

>>15371395
Walk you lazy fucktard

>>15371395
Using a bicycle which could either be left at a secure lock up in the station or brought along with you on the train.
>>15371407
Not so much as a bait thread as an idea that I, personally, find interesting and I thought that it would more interesting to present it to a board with opposing ideas.

Haha, well sure let me take the train right to my driveway.

Roads existed millenia before automobiles, they have just been enhanced over the past 100+ years to maximise their efficiency (well' to certain extents).

Using a lawnmower for your front lawn one afternoon makes as much pollution as driving from Los Angeles to New York. Pollution isn't an issue.

Having a train system everywhere would require many tunnels, EXTREME maintenance costs, and would drop efficiency like crazy. You could never do anything on your own time. You could probably count the cities in the US on your digits that could use it, but nobody else (rural, suburbs, mountains) would want it. Also, think of the noise.

And how are you going to haul stuff in bicycles? Even groceries...

>>15371383

Funny how wrong you are. Maybe stop being so smug until you read a book or two.

https://grist.org/article/2011-02-04-new-evidence-cities-rule-and-suburbs-drool/

I was born rural and lived most of my life that way, then suburbs at 17, then finally glorious city.

I say everyone gets designated living spaces in a major city of their choosing. No more suburbia or deathcages needed. Rural america will forever be preserved in a sprawling wilderness. Villages that refuse to move will be razed.

>>15371430
>Haha, well sure let me take the train right to my driveway.
i can practically do this

>>15371430
>racks
>panniers
>backpack
>basket
Hauling groceries isn't a problem. I can easily get my weekly shopping hauled back on a bike.

>>15371395

Look below your beer gut. See those two appendages dangling down there? They're called legs. Or bike >>15371426

>>15371430
>Using a lawnmower for your front lawn one afternoon makes as much pollution as driving from Los Angeles to New York. Pollution isn't an issue.

>suburb/cuntry fags both mow gigantic lawns they don't use AND drive all over
>driving uses less hurr therefore they both don't matter

Are you retarded? Like legitimately? Did your mom drink when she was pregnant with you? Guess what: city livers neither drive far distances NOR have giant fucking lawns to mow.

>>15370847
I would love, love to see the absolute chaos that a dependence only on Amtrak would create.

Bicycles are OK for trips less than 10 miles round trip. Have you ever tried to travel by bike for anything longer than that? Have you ever bruised your tailbone so bad you couldn't sit down for 2 months?

Have you ever had to travel by bicycle when it was raining? Or snowing? Even hard core motorbikers around here somehow find themselves back in those cages they hate so much in January when the high for the day is 15F.

All I gotta say is if it ever came to pass, I hope your name is attached to it, Anon, and that everyone knows where you live. Because they would come for you, the general public would. And they would do unpleasant things to you.

Not me though. Those quiet crunching sounds? That would be me quietly eating popcorn, watching them and you from a discreet distance away...

>>15371414
Walk 10mi to the nearest town to catch a train?
>>15371426
>Using a bicycle which could either be left at a secure lock up in the station or brought along with you on the train.
>>15371450
A comfortable 10mph pace going to and from the train station on a bicycle could add two hours a day to your commute JUST BETWEEN YOUR HOME AND THE STATION, not to mention between the station and your destination.

>>15371451
Mrs Jones and her husband are in their 70s. They can't cycle anywhere, and yet OP's scheme has banned cars and trucks from the road.
They usually get their shopping delivered, but that suddenly stops being viable. The nearest station is a mile's walk away.
Do they starve?

>>15371459
Where did I say 10mi

>>15371444
Glad you are everyone.

>>15371445
What about families? Ever purchase anything bigger than a backpack? Guess they will have to install a train to your garage to deliver the washing machine. Use your head before you reply.

>>15371437
Have fun starving in your space. The only reason cities are so dense it because the rest of the land is used for food. Your scenario would increase land usage, make the entire world a surburb.

>>15371451
Use. The. Train.

>>15371466
>Where did I say 10mi
You didn't, I did. Because that's a reasonable distance that someone might live from the closest rural town that could house a train station.

>>15371451
I do my 10 mile, one way, commute daily on a bike no matter the weather. Sun, rain, snow, heat, cold it doesn't matter. Be it -30 °C or 30 °C. I really don't see the problem. It's all about attitude.

>>15371463
No, they get a government legalised service for people like them.

>>15371435
>smug
>cities rule and suburbs drool
>by Jess ZIMMERMAN

L O L

I'd love to chat more but I'm gonna go take a ride in my '69 F100. Cry more faggot. Hell, I might even fuck my cousin later, YEEHAW

>>15371430
>And how are you going to haul stuff in bicycles? Even groceries...

http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2014/06/23/how-to-carry-major-appliances-on-your-bike/

I carry groceries by bike all the time. Just put it in your backpack, or fucking walk and carry it. I've even seen old men biking their groceries home, they have bags on their bikes.

>>15371437
>preserved in a sprawling wilderness

Rather than nasty suburban sprawl? Yes please!

>>15371459
Use an e bike if you want comfortable riding.

>>15371470
Go shopping twice a week. Besides panniers and a backpack can fit plenty of food. Have you ever heard of delivery trucks? No one spoke about banning delivery vehicles. Use your head before you reply.

>>15371451

How fat are you? I regularly cycle 20 miles with no problem and I'm not even in good shape.

>>15371450
It doesn't matter in the context. The point being that automobiles are not as big of a source of pollution per their usefulness to society.

And you must be the alcoholic because last time I checked the whole of the Earth was yet to be paved in concrete and asphalt.

Keep them coming, maybe somebody here has some intelligence.

>WHY CAN'T WE ALL LIVE IN CRAMPED APARTMENTS AND RIDE BIKES

great thread

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Just look at all those easily accessible towns. All two of them.

>>15370847
I know this is a car board, and I do love cars but I'm also something of a closet bike nut too. They're machines too, although not as interesting as cars are.

You travel any real distance on a bicycle at all (it is possible to do so) you'll eventually become a bike mechanic at some point. Ever had a spoke break on you? Eventually they will. Do you know how to replace it? Can you ghetto true a wheel out in the field? How about if you bust a chain link? Got a chain breaker on you? Know how to use it? Or are you just fucked on the side of the road with nobody to help you?

Bikes may not run on fuel - but *you* do! You need sugar (or simple carbs) and most importantly - WATER. You run out of water, you are in real trouble, especially if you're dehydrated out in the middle of nowhere. You don't want to know what it's like to be dehydrated and out in nowhere. Always carry enough water to make it back.

There's a limited range you can travel on a bike because of that. What if the nearest train station is well outside that range?

>>15371470
>to deliver the washing machine

They have commercial delivery and rental trucks for the once every ten years you buy a major appliance.

>bigger than a backpack

Like what, a 24 pack of coke you lardy faggot?

>families

I go shopping twice a week. Just stop by the store after work, mom can grab the greens and dad the canned goods if you can't carry more than a bag each because you're osteoperotic little ninnies or something?

>>15371481

As anon said, buildings and settlements are abandoned as their need ceases. Fucking MOVE CLOSER TO THE CITY and stop hogging up a ton of space that could instead be glorious FOREST rather than your doublewide and scrap heap of rusting junk cars that don't run.

>>15371484
>I might even fuck my cousin later, YEEHAW

Your mom beat you to it.

>>15371513

>talks about pollution
>argument btfo
>p-po-oppsopollution doesn't matter in this context

Guess what pollutes even less per usefulness? TRAINS AND PUBLIC TRANSPORT. Thanks for composing my argument for me you insufferable fuckwit.

>yet to be paved in concrete and asphalt.

Most places in the US, yes including the heartland and rural states, are never more than 10 miles from a road. How am I supposed to /out/ in that? And it keeps getting worse as you fucks move further and further to increase your commute to the city in your fucking hummer and lifted pickemup'ta-rrruck by building more and more houses on the outskirts, consuming more of my land for your ugly mcmansion.

>>15371546
Either bait or the biggest fucking kike faggot ever to post on /o/. Either way, good job keep em coming

>>15371546
Why the fuck would I give up land that I paid for just because some city-dwelling cocksucker wants me to live in a tiny 2 bedroom apartment and ride the train everywhere?

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>>15371500
Okay let's see, so I live in a middle-gtound spread area. Not rural, not big city, yet not a suburb. Stores I regularly go to are on a spread of maybe 5 miles in either direction, plus hills all around. How long will it take to go across to get all the things I need and still have the day left to do other things like... I don't know, go to work, school, take care of family, do hobbies, pay my train taxes...

And well these delivery trucks that were so suddenly ammended to the bill, everyone will be using them. Going to have to hire a lot of workers to drive them.

Congratulations, you've just replaced personal cars with delivery trucks at a 1:1 ratio and greatly dropped your efficiency.

You are only thinking for yourself. Please don't enter politics.

>>15371470
My friend who has a 2 year old uses a trailer for the babby

When I was a baby my dad had an actual baby seat on the back of his bike

Why do cagers have so much trouble with basic problem solving?

what a nice thread

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>>15371580
There's an easy solution to that kind of development mistake

>>15371526

I have biked, on the regular, 20 miles even in the hottest part of summer in 90+ degree heat and like 110% humidity, and one bottle of water sufficed. If I wanted, I could bring two. Wow! I bet I could fit 4, 8, even 12 bottles of water in my fucking bag if I wanted.

>sugar

I'll direct you to the giant storage unit of sugar that resides between your moobs and your fupa.

You act like it isn't possible, in extreme rural conditions, to have a fucking shuttle from a community to the train station, or god forbid, they move somewhere reasonable or go fuck themselves. If I chose to live in the middle of siberia, I wouldn't expect the govt to use taxpayer money to construct a 4 lane highway out to me.

>limited range

>>15371580
Organize your shopping so that you do t have to go every day. 10 mile trip takes around half an hour so that shouldn't be a problem. Get an e bike if there are a lot of hills, or you just want comfy riding.

>>15371546
yea lets tell the mining, forestry, gas/oil, and agricultural industries to move closer to the city
I see you have yet to leave your Williamsburg studio

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>>15371529
Washing machine is only one example. Sorry your parents do everything for you and you never realise how the world actually works.

And you, you should never enter logistics. Please do not.

>>15371603
>>15371580
Also huge megastores in the middle of nowhere would obviously die in favour of smaller stores closer to the customers

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>>15371604
How many people actually work in those industries? 500k? 1 million?

So, fine. I allow 1 million personal automobiles. It doesn't matter. The rest will be converted into environmentally sound coral reefs.
>>15371606
Yeah because every week I buy a new washing machine, what possible alternative do I have other than driving my cage to the Home Depot. If only there was some kind of invention that could deliver large objects on an as-needed basis!

>>15371580
>at a 1:1 ratio

I didn't know every single citizen had their own dedicated post truck. Why would delivery trucks not work the same way?

>stores spread to hell in a development mistake
>instead of admitting their mistake, let's keep paying billions of infrastructure costs, shitting the place up, and murdering people in car crashes from needless driving, instead of moving the stores closer to where the people actually live

Sunk cost fallacy.

Further, why do you WANT to spend all day zooming down this and that crowded, clogged highway in heavy traffic with assholes who can't drive trying to kill you, instead of just going to ONE center where all the stores are to buy your apparent small-village-level personal consumption need in one convenient location that would take a tenth of the time?

>Cars could be used for leisure outside of cities, in purpose made tracks and because they would only be owned for enthusiast, there wouldn't be a problem with fumes.

I always hear this argument, and it really doesn't make sense for the person who enjoys driving in general (not the track people), which includes doing basic things like a daily commute or going to the store. Nobody on /o/ wants to pay to go to a track and only use their car once a week.

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>>15371570
You don't seem to understand that trains can never come close to being a compelete replacement for cars. Not even trolleys.

I'm actually a proponent of local farming and reducing transportation. And mixed use land and close knit communities where you can bicycle to the store. But you seem to be in some fantasy world that just isn't feasible. There is no one solution to work for everyone. It is a lot more complex than you think.

>>15371604

>95% of people don't do anything but commute to the town/city
>well hurr all these people need cars becausse 5% of people actually work out here durrrrrrrrr

Could also, you know, company bus/shuttle from the community to the job site. But nooooooo.

>>15371606

I buy furniture once or twice per place I live. I move every 3 years or so. I can RENT a bloody truck once a year. You act like you buy a new washer or fridge or couch every day.

We can build walls around cities for the inhabitants protection. Anyone who tries to leave not on our designated (very efficient) and (very fast) railways will be shot on site. Rural and clearly (useless) states like Colorado or Utah will walled off for good.

>>15370880
Do you realize how many rural towns there are and how far some people live from them?

Literally there are some town here even in sc that are an hour from the closest metro area, and there are people an hour even further out from those small towns.

What you're proposing is not possible in the US.

>>15371636

Funny, because in plenty of asian and european nations they already are a complete replacement, except for the 0.1% of the population who are literal farmers.

There are very, very few people who legitimately need a vehicle. The rest just leech taxpayer money to fund their luxury and extravagence off the rest of us by ordering the government to cater to them at every turn, prioritize their personal transport over everyone else, in most cases completely neglect bike lanes, trains, light rails, buses, and even something as basic as a sidewalk because some entitled mcmansion living cuntnuts want to watch television while being out on their little lot of mexican-managed landscaping in some development out 60 miles from their workplace just to show off in front of the joneses. Why do I have to pay for YOU? Cagers want your 5 gorillion miles of roadways that need annual repair and constant updates and expansion, YOU pay for it. Stop shirking it off onto us by stealing our tax money for your personal pork.

>>15371653
kek

>>15371656
Of course it's possible, you just refuse to face reality.

There's no reason to maintain some bullshit rural road to nowhere just so some guy who thinks it's 1879 can live out there and masturbate his fantasy of being a self-reliant pioneer.

If someone wants to live out there it's fine. Just like in Alaska, bush planes exist. Vehicles that can drive on potholed, abandoned roads exist.

Resources should be focused on keeping things efficient where the free market wants them, and the free market wants people in cities. It's only the hangover effect of a post-industrial mistake that caused people to settle in these single-use subdivisions, far from the smoke-belching factories which no longer actually exist.

>>15371653
>like Colorado

>rural
>like colorado

You've never been here if you think that. I reckon you haven't been much rural if you think there aren't clusters of small, mostly self sufficient towns. You think they can't provide 99% of their own needs when the closest other town is a 2 hour drive?

>>15371656
>Literally there are some town here even in sc that are an hour from the closest metro area, and there are people an hour even further out from those small towns.

yes, and they stay in their own small town for the most part, and nearly no one actually commutes to the city daily because it is so cunting far. So what's the problem? Have quaint little towns scattered through the country, maybe twice daily rails out to the next one. How is that a problem? Hell, we already HAVE most of the rail paths built.

>not possible

Funny that as America survived fine when cars were still a rare luxury as late as the 50s and 60s.

>>15371660
Europe and Japan grew up around mass transportation.

The US did not.

Are you a yuropoor by chance?

>>15371670
>There's no reason to maintain some bullshit rural road to nowhere just so some guy who thinks it's 1879 can live out there and masturbate his fantasy of being a self-reliant pioneer


Except they don't under the current system of personal automobiles.

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>>15371597
It is a town over 100 years old. Subdivisions are hell indeed.

>>15371603
Once again, might work for some but that cannot work for all. Too many variables. Sounds nice though.

>>15371613
I never go to those hellholes. Unforunately if you want any sort of variety you have to give in a bit. When did we get variety? When automobiles came about. Post-WW2 life has been greatly influenced by it.

>>15371624
I live in a small city and it takes me 10 mins to drive to the closest store, 30 for others I prefer. And I don't even have much traffic.

One center for shopping would be traffic hell. I don't want to bother explaining, so look up Le Corbusier. Great guy, but his plans to rebuild Europe in these zones would have just been a transportation hell.

>>15371674
>es, and they stay in their own small town for the most part, and nearly no one actually commutes to the city daily because it is so cunting far. So what's the problem? Have quaint little towns scattered through the country, maybe twice daily rails out to the next one. How is that a problem? Hell, we already HAVE most of the rail paths built.


are you fucking blind?

No, there aren't rail systems out here.

>Funny that as America survived fine when cars were still a rare luxury as late as the 50s and 60s.

What are horses?

>>15371679
Europe and Japan grew up around horse trails and walk paths.

The US had an opportunity to do it correctly but fucked it up by housing niggers in inner cities and making them undesirable for wealthy white people. If they had placed them in cheap commieblocks around suburbs and left inner cities untouched and desirable for white people there would be much less suburban hell and cars with much more efficient public transportation networks in cities.

Fuck off

I live in the Smoky Mountains about 2 hours from a decently sized city, and about an hour from a tourist area. If you expect to accomodate the millions of people who cover millions of square miles in the US you're fucking daft and need to go back to /n/.

The soviets tried connecting all the little Siberian towns and villages with their Trans Siberian Railway and it didn't work. Even with modern technology you CANNOT bring scheduled train/tram times down to under an hour in many parts of the country.

Many small European or Asian countries can possibly pull it off, but many of them such as France and Japan still rely heavily on automobiles for travel and transport in rural areas or small cities.

>>15371705
I Seriously hope you're a Poe, or that is sarcasm.

>>15371679

There is zero reason we cannot, instead of continuing to subsidize suburbs and semi-rural mcmansion sprawl, instead redirect future development to be walkable and transportable. Just make it incentivized to not use a personal automotive vehicle, at least just for daily commute, and the problem will solve itself. The government already subsidized oil (wars, extraction of our precious limited resource for fatasses to whisk themselves around without needing to, gasp, walk) and roads (taxes taxes TAXES). Just stop that fucking bullshit, make drivers pay what it actually costs to maintain ALL the infrastructure and resource acquisition/retirement for their entitled asses, and watch them flee like rats to the city on their own.

We made a mistake. Why do you insist on stubbornly continuing the mistake and not just fucking fixing it already and getting on with life? Vehicle necessitation drives the average person BROKE and costs us all economically.

I'm a proud freedomclap thank you, and I've moved to a sensible area with decent transit (neither coast you fag).

>>15371688

There are rail tracks, not rail systems, no. The car industry lobbied for their death so cucks like you can continue paying them a quarter of all the shekels you earn to maintain your precious rust wagon.

>horses

A rare luxury only the wealthy owned. 90% of people managed without. Oh, because towns were WALKABLE as people didn't labor under a delusion that they could live 90 miles out and have the government cater to their whims by using everyone else's money to construct a yellow brick road to their front step.

>>15371705

Or if everyone would stop being facetious and admit they purposely don't live near niggers and that they're a blight on the world, we could ship them back to apefrica and regain our cities as a safe, wholesome place to live and work.

>>15371716

Yet you expect US to accommodate YOUR desire to live the fuck out there by paying for your endless roadways that filth up the place and make everything ugly and disgusting. such an entitled little prat. Fucking move or pay for it yourself.

>>15371640
And you are everyone else. For the millionth time.

Do you always hire people to do stuff for you? Repair your sink? Rebuild a fence? Fix a window? If you aren't doing it for yourself, then you must have a bunch of service people. How are these people going to bring their tools and materials to your locations. Well I god damn hope they aren't bringing panes of glass on bicycles.

Furthermore, who has this fantasy of no accidents without personal cars when delivery trucks are all about? They are larger, have worse vision, handling, etc...

>>15371660
I'm not saying it cannot be done. It certainly can be done. But that would require demolishing most current structures. And don't act like this future is maintenance free. Rails, delivery truck roads, even bike paths all need it. And when things go bad because it is not a perfect fantasy world and the trains derail in the interchanges and kill hundreds because of neglect then people will be rallying for their roads back.

It is a lot easier to worry about your own personal maintenence than have to ensure that a massive transport system is maintained.

And the average person doesn't have a mansion, nor even a large house to begin with. Once again, another person with a warped vision of the world.

People in NYC don't even know where dirt come from. Get the vast majority off their arses to grow their own food and you've easily doubled the spread of the city to make way for the plants.

I don't know if you've noticed, but a lot of people are not cleanly. If you want everywhere to all be community farms, then cities such as NYC (as just an example cannot exist anymore). Too much of a health risk.

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>>15371750
Yeah, well I'm sorry the population is not many many times smaller like it once was. Will you be the first to euthanise yourself for the sake of others?

>>15371762
>Yet you expect US to accommodate YOUR desire to live the fuck out there by paying for your endless roadways that filth up the place and make everything ugly and disgusting. such an entitled little prat. Fucking move or pay for it yourself.
These "endless roadways" already exist, and we already live the fuck out here. We do pay for these roads. None of us want to pay for endless railways in addition to the roads that would still be necessary.

>>15371762
I'm the selfish one for wanting to save money and actually enjoy my life? You sound like the selfish one given you want to implement batshit insane ideas on the entire country just so you can take some rail system to your nearest Starbucks.

Spoilers: My work feeds up to 10,000 people a year. I've lived most of my life in cities until I started my business. I absolutely loathed city life, it was crowded, stressful, people were rude, and it was infested by assholes like you.

I'll stay rural and contribute to employing people and feeding people. You sit in your 500 sqft flat shitposting on an AUTOMOTIVE board.

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"We are all wired into a survival trip now. No more of the speed that fueled that 60's. That was the fatal flaw in Tim Leary's trip. He crashed around America selling "consciousness expansion" without ever giving a thought to the grim meat-hook realities that were lying in wait for all the people who took him seriously... All those pathetically eager acid freaks who thought they could buy Peace and Understanding for three bucks a hit. But their loss and failure is ours too. What Leary took down with him was the central illusion of a whole life-style that he helped create a generation of permanent cripples, failed seekers, who never understood the essential old-mystic fallacy of the Acid Culture: the desperate assumption that somebody... or at least some force -- is tending the light at the end of the tunnel."

>>15370847
Who is John Galt!?

>>15371750
"Life expectancy has increased rapidly since the Enlightenment. Estimates suggest that in a pre-modern, poor world, life expectancy was around 30 years in all regions of the world. In the early 19th century, life expectancy started to increase in the early industrialized countries while it stayed low in the rest of the world. This lead to a very high inequality in how health was distributed across the world. Good health in the rich countries and persistently bad health in those countries that remained poor. Over the last decades this global inequality decreased."

>>15371788
I sit in my 400 sqft flat shitposting on an automotive board but what's wrong with that

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>>15370866
Not OP(straight)
I just assumed the original question may have imbliged "magic" as in if you woke to this reality.
I thought about if every car was self driving, as in leave a bar,wait 5 min and a haunted car drops you off at home then drives off to pick up more people,driverless taxis would be sweet.
(Imagine all the dudes planning to leave a bar when they see a few drunk chicks waiting for a haunted taxi,frat boy finger stinky heaven)

>>15371162
What's that pic?
Also,fuck your opinion on rural towns/people you childish lib tard.

>>15371185
Either has giant hands or tiny cars.
Either way,wanna hang out?

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I'll give this to you OP. When we colonise Mars then we can have a carless city. Probably won't have trains though either except between the sectors. We can walk more and maybe there will be some space to squeeze some bicycles in there.

We'll still have to import the PlayStations and bananas from Earth for a while though.

>>15371234
Well then,how abouts you ride one of your cartoon ponies instead!
Just kidin, I was poor once as well, it actually kept me from /o/ because I thought it would make me feel as poor as I was,didn't know about the shit box culture at the time.
Also,are those cartoon ponies still a thing?

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I can't wait until there are no cars and only trains and delivery trucks and bicycles. Then I finally have a reason to hotrod my bicycle delivery truck and jump the spiderweb of trains.

Or maybe I should hotrod a train...

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>mfw there are actually city-dwellers in this world who are so retarded that they think public transport is feasible for every person on earth

>>15371483
>meaning even more money to prop up a system that would invaribly have to support millions who live "off the system"

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>>15372485
Fucking this. Oh, it takes you an hour and a half and two buses to go to work? Well yeah, so what if it'd take you only 15 minutes to take the car, that's killing the earf maaaaaan, you should sit in a bigass diesel shuttle going up and down hills every morning with 5 other people because that's just fucking ecological, maaaaaaaaaaaan.

>>15372528
What I don't understand is people who try forcing others into their viewpoints/lifestyles.

Not everyone is suited for city life, and even suburban life. Some prefer rural living, such as myself. Why exactly is this a bad thing? I like to connect with nature, live outside of large city centers, not have to deal with traffic, etc. I'd take a small tight-knit community over a large blob of people who don't care about one another. To some people this makes me worse than Hitler.

I simply can't fathom why people don't like my preferences. After I moved from the city to rural NC my family was baffled I would do such a thing. I just never fit into cities, even the fancy European cities I lived in.

Be pretty hard and unbeleiveably expensive in canada where itd have to be millions of km long

>>15371670
>There's no reason to maintain some bullshit rural road to nowhere

Do you city folks like to eat? Because most of your food comes from the ends of these 'bullshit roads to nowhere'.

Rural towns can go back to potholed road self sufficiency. Your next meal just isn't their problem anymore? Want to move out in the country, grow your own garden and become self sufficient as well? We have enough arable land for perhaps 20% of our population. You line up the city folk and put a bullet through 4 out of every 5 people's heads and let the rest go work on a farm.

The last person to come close to that kind of centrally planned utopia was named Pol Pot.

>>15371716
>>15372485
>>15372528
As the OP here, (back again after a good night's sleep) I actually thought about this idea as a method of travel for rural populations, since I live in one myself. Traveling 200 miles at, say, 50 mph is going to take you a lot less time via a train, even if it does stop occasionally.

>>15372712
People would've thought the same thing about asphalt roads in the Middle Ages.

>>15373124
So it isn't realistic that food could also be transported by railroad? And comparing that to Pol Pot is crazy, he set up rural death farms for anyone he saw as an intellectual, not created a nationwide railroad service.

>>15370880
Have you ever looked at a fucking map, moron? This is literally the most sheltered post of all time

>Hurrr i dont get it, doesnt everyone live in metropolis? Where the fuck does my food come from?

>>15371620
Why do you want the government to tell you literally *EVERYTHING* to do? You want them to enforce who can and cant drive, own guns, whats next, own land? Thats not your right anymore? When will you stand up for your own human rights? When they want to move you from your fucking studio loft into the cattle pen? Jesus man, if you even are a dude, you sound like a fucking female talking about wanting the government to dominate your life, grow a pair.

>>15371762
for a second after reading the second half of this post, I thought you were some leftist social justice warrior who was also for some reason, anti road. Now I see you are just a stupid racist, and nothing of value was lost

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>>15374362
I live in a rural town in a rural country. Food travels by transport and trains are a form of transportation. Also, they travel faster than trucks would, allowing the food to be fresher upon arrival to the supermarket (or wherever they're being left off at).

>>15374369
Not the same guy but a government (but definitely not THIS government) telling people "what to do" isn't inherently a bad thing. Germany had some pretty radical ideas about roads and built the Autobahn. That government invention allowed for faster road travel and strengthened the economy.
Not all states are inherently bad. (inb4 STUPID STAITIST :DDD)

>>15374379
(See pic related).
Captcha was trains, it's a sign!

>>15370987
Nigga I'm a train conductor, and rail doesn't just magically pop up and maintain its self, now you multiply that by the amount of towns good luck finding the funds

>>15374435
Do roads maintain themselves either?

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>>15370847
Funny enough places go in this direction, not to make some car haters dream come true, just because it's necessary. On some islands car traffic is banned. On some even bikes are banned. Cities with expanding pedestrian only zones. Neighbourhoods where car traffic is banned. Entire nations planning to ban all cars except electric cars. Cites sacrificing road space for bus lanes, trams and bike paths.
In any case you will still need ambulance vans, fire trucks, police cars. But this can only work in urban regions. Rural regions will mostly depend on cars.

>>15374400
>telling people "what to do" isn't inherently a bad thing. Germany had some pretty radical ideas about roads and built the Autobahn.


But Germany didn't go telling people that they must drive. They still have a good rail transportation system. And the public has the option to use it.

>>15374335
>So it isn't realistic that food could also be transported by railroad?

Rail transport is only a replacement for highways. You still have to get the people and goods from their homes and farms to the railroad. And then from their rail stop to their final destination. That means roads and trucks or buses and cars. Door to door rail transportation is only viable in large, densely populated cities.

We already have a long distance rail system. Now look at the quantity of good that, given the option to go via rail or road, choose road.

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>>15375592
If I understood it OP just wanted to ban cars. Not trucks or agricultural machinery.
For most industries rail transport between factories would be possible. But you would have to build quite some new rail lines. Could be done, it's no technical problem. More a political, legal and economic problem.

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>>15376831
>ban cars. Not trucks

Watch out for the law of unintended consequences. That's how we got into SUVs. Taxes on big, inefficient station wagons drove people into what are really trucks. People liked them and when the silly taxes and regulations were dropped, they never went back.

The last time Congress hinted that they would re-regulate large vehicles, including typical SUVs, the industry was ready with vehicles large enough to meet large truck exemptions.

Pic related.

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>>15376886
Not OP and I don't think his idea could work. At least not in a car centric nation like US. But maybe misuse could be prevented by imposing even more regulations. Like restricting trucks to specific areas. Or allow only electric vehicles in cities. Or maybe only give a licence for truck usage to larger transport companies. A dictatorial/bureaucrat regime could certainly come up with even more clever ideas.

>lived in saitama and commuted into Tokyo
>mfw it took me 3 hrs to commute into town by train when it take half the time by car
Fuck off mate. Not to mention we are talking about Americas who can't into passenger rail. Also I prefer not to live in a fucking commieblock and be food self sufficient since I grow all my own food. Also do you understand just how much of a pain in the ass maintenance is for rail?

For somebody who got no cardio on flat surfaces a bicycle is better than the bus. For an experienced cyclist there no point in taking the bus.

>>15379638
Also if it goes uphill on your way to work? Steeply, for a mile or more?

>>15370847
Far easier to simply outlaw Smal towns, small cities, rural, suburban living
Outlaw all private ownership of land, property
All citizens must live in extreme density mega cities, 150 square feet per person efficiency apartments
No private transport other than bicycle
Ultra high speed trains to move farm workers from city centers to farms/ranches
Ultra high density living reduces costs and waste, each uses just want is necessary, no more no less
Everyone works, all are given a job, no extra for anyone, all food is available equally, all get a share, none can horde
Basic simple designs, 1 type of bike, one type of bed, one type of shoes, everyone gets the same, resources are used more effectively, 3 sets of clothes for each, 1 to wear, 1 to clean, 1 for spare, no more, no less
Vacation camps for all workers, take the train, enjoy nature, return refreshed and recharged

Each according to his needs, each according to his abilities

It's never really been tried, not correctly anyway

Paradise is within reach

There is a signpost ahead

Next stop Utopia

>>15380211
Yes, goyim, you live to work!

Seriously... I will never in all of my days understand how people would find such a lifestyle worth living for. The folks over at /r/futurology seem to be well invested in a future that looks like this, but I don't get it.

And anyway, wasn't this tried to an extent in the USSR? From what I can remember, it turned out pretty terrible.

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>>15380211
Stop posting Stalin

>>15370854
It's quite easy, it just means niggers don't get to live in the middle of nowhere like antisocial bastards. Or they have to walk to the station. Big whoop.

>>15371218
hey mate, lets set aside personal travel such as to from work, shopping, social events etc.
How do you expect contractors to get to jobs with a load of shit required for the job? How do i go pick up a diesel welder generator and take it back on the toot toot train that is only 2 hours away and takes 1 hour to travel 20km because it has to stop every station in between? Then at the other end i have to somehow transport it from the toot toot station to my final destination?

Do you realize the large number of people calling you retarded including myself are correct?

I would legit be pissed off enough to start a war if that kind of bullshit ever took place.

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>>15381372
No need to worry. Of course diesel generators will be banned as well. If you need something big a horse carriage or a guy with a cargo bike will deliver it to your home.

The United States is way too sparse and spread out for any proposal of mass transit to completely supplant cars is totally unrealistic. There'd be riots.

>>15370847
In general, lots of problems. If it were only personal vehicles banned, it'd work fine.

>>15370847
>What would your reaction be to the proposal for all cars to be banned?
I would wonder how the government proposes to fill the budgetary black hole caused by losing the hundreds of billions of tax dollars the motor industry generates.

>>15370847
I live in the country and need my pickup truck. Pick up trucks and utility vehicles would have to be exempted. It would usher in a golden era of sport trucks and tuck tuning. Soooo okay.