ITT: muscle cars made outside of america

>>15272901
>inb4 shit storm

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>>15272912
wat

ITT: every vehicle made between 1960 and 1975 is a muscle car

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>>15272926

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>>15272931
here comes the butthurt

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>>15272945
Butthurt about what?

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>>15272963

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>>15272974

How are 4cylinder sports coupes muscle cars?

A muscle car is a small to medium sized car with a large v8.

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>>15272965
about non american muscle cars

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>>15272995

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>>15272992
what car has 4 cylinders?

>>15272999
Why would I be "butthurt" about a handful of awesome Australian cars and how would someone posting Japanese sports cars cause me to be butthurt about them?

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>>15273017
oh wow, the butthurt has now caused him denial

have a muscle truck then

Very obvious troll thread.

>>15273039
What you think
>haha I'm a contrarian and smarter than everyone else, bet they are going to be so mad
What everyone else thinks
>hmmm, a moron on the internet

There's only one butthurt poster in this thread, nobody else has a reason to be. Why do you have such an emotional stake in the definition of a muscle car?

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>>15273052
>every post i disagree with is troll

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Tbqh most muscle cars are American. There's a few Aussie cars, especially pic related, and a few Mustangs in Japan. But, by definition, they refer to V8 2-door cars made in America

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>>15273058
wow kid, thats a shit load of text, can I get a tl;dr

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>>15273063
>Mustang in Japan

this one?

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>>15273094
I was referring to this one, but that works too.

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>>15273094

Has to have a v8 to be a muscle car.

>>15273107
citation needed

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>>15273063
I would consider the sunbeam tiger a British muscle car as it comes with a ford V8.

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>>15273107
>tfw Dodge is bringing back the Barracuda
>tfw its a turbo V6 and not a Hemi V8

>>15273120
Yeah, that qualifies.

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>>15273123
>implying v6 powered cars can't be muscle

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>>15273052

Eh, doesn't generate as much reactions as a Viper thread i saw one time where someone just simply asked if the Viper could be considered a "Super Car".. kek, lets just say there was a lot of edgy "its actually a shit".

On to the Topic at hand this,
>pic related
is probably one of my Favorites, I wish another Manufacturer would make something like this today. Big comfy beautiful V8 luxury car.

Maybe Fiat can get Ferrari or Alpha Romeo to make a nice beefy 2-door coupe with muscle (and Italian) styling cues with the Hellcat engine. that would probably look great in my opinion.

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>>15273143
v6 powered cars can't be muscle

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Thanks for killing it GM

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>>15273159
>doesn't know about the GNX
sure is summer in here

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>>15273171

>>15273171
I get doing it because you can I guess, but putting performance money into slant 6's make me cringe

There are plenty of black sheep motors you can do cool shit with

I'm on the hunt for a 400sbc because they are cool and those old aluminum buick V8s that became the rover V8 always seemed to be and interesting prospect

>>15273171
Not muscle.

>>15273168

It can always come back with Cadillac's new Alpha platform and will most likely be faster and lighter on its feet which means even more hetik skids.

>>15273171
>>15273182
>blown slant

Is that what i think it is? are you talking about the Chysler Slant Six or is this another slant six unrelated to that one in ausland?

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I still don't understand the obsession of skinny tires in the land of Oz

>>15273184
>but putting performance money into slant 6's make me cringe
4.0L Barra Turbo
Shitcunt

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>>15273184
>he doesn't like the slant 6

kek

>>15273187
but they are muscle

>>15273189
aus and nz had a 2 barrel one

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>>15273197
>Muscle car is an American term used to refer to a variety of high-performance automobiles. The Merriam-Webster dictionary defines muscle cars as "any of a group of American-made 2-door or 4-door sports cars with powerful engines designed for high-performance driving."
Live on in blissful delusions

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>>15273207
>muh dictionary

kek

not even an argument

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>>15273197
Don't bother, he doesn't know the history of how a V6 turbo BTFO'd Ferrari back in the 80's

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>>15273215
>he literally rejects the definition of the term
kek

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>>15273225
>still not an argument

pfft whatever kiddo, one day you will understand what muscle actually is

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>>15273236
>BR muscle

top tier

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Apparently some Mazda shared the chassis

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>>15273262
the mazda roadpacer was an HJ holden with a 13b

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>>15273222

I think there was a version or modified version of the GNX/Turbo-G-body that actually out-gunned a Ferrari F40 which is pretty impressive for what was basically a 1980s dad's car.

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>>15273272

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>>15273272
Must've looked funny sitting in the engine bay

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>>15273279

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>>15273285
it did

just sayin. 6 cylinders of the 60s-70s can be pushed really hard. 6 cylinders from the big 3 were all nearly indestructible.

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>>15273295
cute

>>15273069
tl;dr your a faggot

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>>15273299
6 cyl muscle is the best

>>15273315
hello summer

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>>15273318

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>>15273069
>>15273039
Genuine rotard, rotary sure has potential in power but lacks torque.

>>15273347
I genitally want an old carb'd rotary for shiggles.

>>15273312
no, funny remember

>>15273318
Is this photo taken in Australia?

It looks like Australia.

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Cleveland powered
>>15273340
Is that 1uz powered?
>>15273359
Jokingly cute, work?

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>>15273365
it's a blown 20b

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>>15273376
That blower is decieving, pretty cool

>>15273385
ME RIKEY

>>15273120
Tiger is my all time dream car. One day... thinking of getting an Alpine to enjoy until the time comes

>>15273196
>Skinny

Do you mean low profile or low width?

>>15272951
I really like the look on those, too bad the price for a SLR5000 is 45K USD

>>15273476
>First gen mustang in Aus

How much do those go for down there?

>>15273493
Meant to quote
>>15272951

>>15273171
I know about the GNX, but that doesn't make it a muscle car. Which it isn't.

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>>15273442
low profile, it reminds me of a donk, pic related ozfaggotry

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This technically fits the definition, better than some other stuff that's posted. Some of you are posting on the blurry line between pony and muscle.

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>>15273584
>implying low profile simmons wheels aren't god-tier

confirmed faggot

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>>15273605
>Not fat and wide

gross

>>15273632
also enjoy not having enough rubber for maaaaad clouds or skids

>>15273605
They show how much of a shitty person you are and automatically let me know you are retarded and not worth talking too.

>>15273584
I see. I'm an ausfag - when I hear "skinny" tyres I think of what I guess you'd call narrow tyres.

>>15273196

Bogans who work in the mines have bad taste and spend their money on shit.

The people who put big wheels on muscle cars and the same kind of people who get their childrens names and other cringe worthy tattoos like dragons wizards and tribals.

>>15273168
Holden was dead when no more Holden V8. so its did like 1999.

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>>15273646
>not an aussie
>still like them

AUSDM as fuck m8

If Ford made a V10 Mustang, would that still be a muscle car?

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>>15273605
Ausfag here. Please kill yourself for propogating this stupid trend. 16" is the absolute max diameter for vintage cars. You make us look bad.

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>>15273972
Hello baby

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>>15274062
Want to see my butt?

ITT: it's a muscle car because I SAID SO!

>>15274098
ITT: it's not a muscle car because I SAID SO!

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Is a V12 muscle?

>>15274118
Probably, but the other half of the argument will be that if it can't be fixed by some inbred sister fucker by hitting it with a hammer- no

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>>15274100
I don't think so, the definition of "muscle car" exists and plenty of the cars in here don't fit the definition.

>>15272992
>muscle car
land barge with giant engine
e12
>pony car
tiny economy sedan with land barge engine
e21

>>15274146
Yeah since when has a jap sports been a muscle car

>>15274146
citation needed

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>>15274180

>>15274185

>can't provide a citation for his bullshit

k

>>15272945
>>15272963
>>15272974
>>15273069
>>15273100
>>15273311
identify the cars pls

>>15274270
I will for the ones I posted
>>>15272963
Alfa Romeo Montreal
>>>15272974
1970something Datsun Skyline GT-R

>>15274270

>>15272945
Mazda RX5

>>15273069
Mazda RX3

>>15273100
73' Mustang Mach 1

>>15273311
Mazda RX4

What actually makes a car "muscle car"?

>>15274397
cheap speed

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>>15274122

>>15274196
>doesn't know how to google
>wants to be spoonfed
>gets all salty and sarcastic about it

>>15274877
>still cant provide a citation

>>15274951
Not the same anon dumbass

>>15274963
>gets BTFO
>Im n-not the same guy!!

>>15274978
>can't do anything but repeat the same shit over and over again
>too much of a newfag to know how to check IPs
>B-B-B-BBTFO THOUGH

>>15273208
That is not a muscle car.

>>15274986
>thinks I am going to fall for le IP meme when resetting your router changes your IP
>expects me to belive a random anon would Just join a random conversation
>still no citation about muh mussle kar definition

literally BTFO

Just an FYI for all of you idiots out there who are posting sports cars and compact coupes and calling them muscle cars - muscle cars have big engines and are made for straight line performance. Your Aston Martin GT car is not a muscle car, your RX3 is not a muscle car, your luxury sedan is not a muscle car, your MR sports car is not a muscle car.

>>15275003
>>expects me to belive a random anon would Just join a random conversation
I'm sorry, but have you never been on the internet before in your life?

>>15275008
Citation needed

>>15275012
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/muscle%20car

>>15275020
>definition made up by some old baby boomer

Into the trash

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>>15275029
>I AM MORE OF AN AUTHORITY THAN THE DICTIONARY
lel

this guy is something else

>>15275033
>o-only m-muh merika car is muscle

He obv forgot australian cars, and that Just the tip of the iceberg

Maybe he doesnt even know where Australia is

>>15275029
>so stubborn they can't admit when they are wrong.
What's next, you going to hold your breath until you turn blue?

>>15274400
Yeah, Mustangs are cheap in the Europe.

>>15275049
Im not wrong tho, muscle cars made outside of America exist, dont see what is making you so butthurt

>>15274025
You're doing gods work cunt

>>15275051
Mustangs are pony cars fag

>>15275075
Thanks for assuming I'm mad. And of course you are not wrong, you are just the guy arguing with a definition provided by one of the most credible dictionaries in the world.

>>15272901
There isn't any muscle cars made outside of the United States.

>4 or 6 cylinder japshit buzztrap with cribbed American aesthetics

now let's call it a muscle car

>>15275108
>most credible
>ignores australian and BR muscle

Doesnt seem legit

>>15275110
Here comes more butthurt

>Australian pony cars are now the same as American mid size muscle cars
I'll give you a hint, if they competed at Bathurst then it's not a muscle car it's a fucking pony car

>>15273605
>rim even with fender lip
>unmolested muscle car

pick one and then fuck off

>>15275125
>Australia didnt make full sized muscle cars

Congrats, you Just outed yourself as a summerfag

>>15275117
>butthurt that musclecars are American only
>calls others butthurt
Kek. Let's see an example of an Australian midsized, large engine musclecar then

>>15273385
Is this a HIGH TEST Ford GT? Wtf?

>>15275134
Ok, let's see an example then

>>15275135
>you are butthurt I am a retard
Wat

>midsize muscle
Monaro

>>15275112
>Cylinders is the defining part if it's a muscle car or not.
I rather take a 300HP / 500Nm 4cyl than a 200HP/ 320Nm V8

Big Engines/Big Muscles doesn't mean shit if it's not performing.

>>15275156
Cool, thanks for sharing. I'd rather have a fighter jet than a 1969 Chevelle. Fighter jets are now muscle cars, as the definition of a muscle car is a thing that I like.

>>15275153
>Monaro
>sports coupe

>>15275167
>denial
By that logic every muscle is a sports coupe
>>15275149
4door falcons and kingswood

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>>15275159
>1969 Chevelle
>375HP
>Only 75HP more than a car with half the cylinders and 3.2 times the cylinder size.

>muh mussul gar vee-ate

>>15275159
A jet isnt a car...
Were you dropped as a child?

>>15275192
If actual muscle cars are so bad why are you so desperate to apply the name to other cars that you like?

>>15275198
>A jet isnt a car...
*citation needed*

>>15275208
>muscle
>12hp/L
good one

>>15275186
>By that logic every muscle is a sports coupe
Only for idiots like you who can't distinguish a pony car from a midsized car.
>denial
Says the guy arguing with dictionaries and trying to say 4 door family cars are musclecars.
there is no need to be this upset that your penal colony GM and Ford rejects are not the same as an American made musclecar. I don't recall your automotive culture coining the phrase cunt.

>>15273385
>Mid engine
>Italian

>Muscle car
No, that's an exotic.

>>15275208
>If actual muscle cars are so bad
Are you retarded?
Just because it's a V8 doesn't mean it's a muscle car.
If I put a 400HP 4cyl in that Chevelle it'd be more of a muscle car than it was with it's V8 375HP engine.

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>>15273196
>slant 6
>brings up an I6 as though it's pertinent

You're a special kind of stupid.

>>15275231
>Just because it's a V8 doesn't mean it's a muscle car.
That is exactly what it means. You can argue the definition all you want, it still doesn't change the fact that a musclecar is a mid sized car with the larger engine from a full sized car.
So no, a 4 cylinder is not a musclecar. The fact I have to explain this should be the first clue that you really don't know what you're talking about.

>>15275245
So the term muscle car is only because it's a V8, not because it's strong and have muscles?
Ok.
So it's a poser car, much like body building, all talk no show.

>>15275231
Nope, it would just be a piece of shit by anyone's definition but your own.
>I'm going to disagree with everyone in the world and nobody can stop me
Ahhh, the contrarian phase, we all went through it anon, you'll grow up though (hopefully).

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>>15275208
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_aircraft
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car

>>15275222
>Only for idiots like you who can't distinguish a pony car from a midsized car.
seems like you are trying to base your argument on bozzwords

>Says the guy arguing with dictionaries
dictionary made by an amerifat who is ignorant about the world, not valid

>4 door family cars are musclecars.
considering some 4 door roadrunners and chevelles came with big blocks, yes

>there is no need to be this upset that your penal colony GM
im not australian, btu thanks for displaying your butthurt and desperation at not being able to argue for everyone to see

funny that you call anyone a penal colony when america has the highest number of inmates per capita tho

>>15275253
Did your V8 lose to a 4cyl that badly?
Wow how shameful.

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>>15275245
>with the larger engine from a full sized car.

lel

congrats on outing yourself as a newfag

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>>15275110

>>15275253
So now if an engine exceeds a certain volumetric efficiency, it's a piece of shit? Gotcha Cletus. That right there just might be your problem, why for decades you clowns could barely manage half HP per cube lol. Keep trying Cudgel, get a bigger boring tool...

>>15275231
It'd have more power but it wouldn't have the torque curve.

>>15275259
My car is a 4cyl. It's not a muscle car. The definition of a muscle car is very concise and well understood to everyone but a few contrarians in this thread. Muscle cars are not very fast compared to new cars, nearly all of them are slower than a V6 Accord.

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>amerifats can't deal with aussie muscle

kek

>>15275266
>tfw a small 2.0 liter 260HP can have 440Nm.
The age of V8 is long gone.

>>15275273
Dyno sheet or gtfo.

>>15275268
So the muscle crowd are a delicate and easy to upset bunch of frats?
Small light weight i6 ftw, too bad they are a dying breed.

>>15275272
What a looker.

>>15275266
How the fuck do you know that? You want to talk torque and 4 cylinders the Mazda Skyactiv 2.5T is a 2.5 making 310lb-ft at 2500rpm fully emissions compliant and returning ~31mpg hwy. SO about the same torque curve as an archaic V8, revs higher, runs smoother, burns cleaner and uses about 1/6th the fuel. Please list all of the rules that 4cyl has broken in your world

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so now that we'd defined what international classic muscle is, how about modern muscle?

pic deff related

>>15275278
>So the muscle crowd are a delicate and easy to upset bunch of frats?
Nobody is upset but you.
>disagree with the dictionary and 30 years of common knowledge
>people call you an idiot
>you're just mad, hp/l, V8s suck!

>>15275284
>FF
Nope.

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>>15275277
Made a typo, meant to be 400Nm.
http://www.hirsch-performance.ch/getAttachment.aspx?attaName=07ec45c2-17d3-4a83-8e88-3a5af9015637

Then there's a 2.3 with 430~ Nm

>>15275288
>disagree with the dictionary
the dictionary was made by a retard

>30 years of common knowledge
common knowledge that considers muscle cars from chevrolet brazil, opel and aussie big 3 muscle

you just outed yourself as an ignant again

>>15275255
> bozzwords
You can call it whatever you want, but IIt's kinda funny how it only becomes a buzzword when it proves you wrong.
> dictionary made by an amerifat who is ignorant about the world, not valid
Post.made by a jealous foreign faggot that obviously is a little one sided. Maybe your opinion shouldn't be valid.
> 4 door roadrunners
There is no such thing as a 4 door road runner. Maybe if you knew some basic knowledge of the subject you wouldn't be so wrong.
a four door family car is not a musclecar. A chevelle with four doors and base V8 is not a musclecar. A 2 door chevelle SS with a big block, graphics, and marketed to a younger buyer is.
If you weren't talking out your ass I wouldn't have to spoon feed you, so just give it up already.

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>>15275291
>implying

>>15275260
>not knowing the history of the musclecar
>better resort to name calling

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This thread is now a pre-war car thread

>>15275272
That's a RHD Ford Torino, what are you trying to prove?

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>>15275296
>295 ft/lbs

Wow, it's nothing.

>>15275288
N/A maybe, but non-turbo/supercharger cars are boring.

Besides a strong engine without the turbo boost that gradually makes it stronger is a damn good feeling.

A 450HP N/A might be faster but the kick back of a 350HP turbo engine is that much more satisfying even if it's weaker.

>>15275313
What are you talking about and what does it have to do with anything in this thread?

>>15275311
Looks more like 322lb-ft
That's a lot for an engine 2 times smaller than most V8s.

>>15275296
These arent factory engines

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>>15275300
>You can call it whatever you want
basically what you are doing, im just using the word "muscle car", you are the one using buzzwords

>Post.made by a jealous foreign faggot that obviously is a little one sided. Maybe your opinion shouldn't be valid.
>literally assmad
kek, can't handle the banter

> 4 door road runner.
I just posted one

>a four door family car is not a musclecar.
citation needed

>A 2 door chevelle SS with a big block, graphics, and marketed to a younger buyer is.
so basically the same but with 2 less doors
k
seems legit

>>15275324
Completely stock engine parts.
Nothing mechanical has been changed.
Not even a piece of sticker or emblem has been changed.

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come on guys, post more muscle cars

>>15275322
I was referring to the 2.0 brought up.

>"a lot for-"
>"but it feels like-"
>"pretty good for a-"
>"in a car like X, it'll be really-"

I don't really buy into that train of thought. Less power is less power. But all this is out of context, so eh.

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>>15275326
The roadrunner and chevelle you posted are not factory cars. There was no 4 door road runner, there was no 4 door SS. I can post pics too, doesn't mean it's a factory built, stock car.
You really should educate yourself about the subject if you are going to continue to argue. Or you can just shitpost, still doesn't magically make you right.

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>>15275322
>>15275311
>>15275324
Yes this is what I'm talking about, stock 4cyl engines with big torque. Let's take it back to 2006 technology to the original DI torque beast with a tune and some E85

>2.3L 4cyl
>380ft/lbs spike at 1700rpm
>400ft/lbs peak at 3600rpm
>stock everything including K04 turbo

>>15275370
That k04 will shit itself shortly

>>15275375
weak comeback

>>15275370
Congratulations, you found out you can turn up the boost on turbocharged engine and run it on higher octane fuel, neato. There's the 4.8 LS based engine out there making 1200 horsepower on a stock engine, mind the turbo shit fabbed up. And why keep bringing up "stock everything?" Does fabrication and modifying shit scare you?

>>15272901
>made outside of america.
So....like Chevy and ford?

>>15275396
>turn up the boost
Um, you can't make 400ft'lbs@3600 on 90%of stock 4cylinder engines out there, boosted or not. And with pump fuel + 25% E85? Even less likely. Maybe with C16 on another engine...


>1200hp
With ONLY 12liters of displacement to work with its a miracle! Nevermind the fact that one 4.8 cylinder would shit itself with the cylinder pressures seen on the Mazda.......

Turbo 2.3L 4cyl vs Twin turbo 4.6 V8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYgPnENK6G0

>>15275396
Another Mustang killer that's 2.0 only, but stock.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAF-tYbezAs

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>>15275361
>le oem meme

pathetic

your argument is pretty weak if you have to grasps at straws like these

>>15275426
>>15275438
LELstangs getting BTFO

>>15275438
This is now a V8 embarrassment thread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAJa1CMBnVo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLA_489zISw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kacEW3UtR5M

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>>15275370
>on 90%of stock 4cylinder engines out there

Then why were you bringing up stock and continue to bring up like it's any kind of metric to give a damn about?

Furthermore, why does it matter if the LS does it with 4.8 liters? If it's readily available and suits the given application, why is that some point of condemnation in your mind-

FURTHERMORE furthermore, bringing up engines in cars and using their quarter mile times as some kind of measure when the general question has been power capabilities (quarter miles times having as much to do with driver and chassis as engine) is a non-sequitir. Now if you wanna start talking out of your ass and start saying shit about cylinder pressures, well then let me see some numbers for me to compare and run.

Does the argentine Torino count?
They had straight sixes putting out 205hp stock in the 70's, and people regularly modded them to do more.

>>15275451
>your argument is weak
>says the guy arguing with the dictionary
>says the guy who thinks 4 door road runners were ever a thing
>says the guy who doesn't understand we are talking about production cars instead of custom jobs
>says the guy who doesn't know what a pony car is
Your argument is not only weak, but you are completely ignorant about the subject, yet still want to argue. Pathetic.

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>>15275505
Forgot pic.

>>15275473
>FURTHERMORE furthermore, bringing up engines in cars and using their quarter mile times
You ever race before? Did you manage to catch those MPHs bruh.....

>>15275541
Yeah, thing traps fast, makes a bunch of power at the big end and ran a little faster than a second over the mustang. If that was all you were considering that'd be a point against it since there's shit like Larson's S10 and similar race cars out there trapping similarly fast and running some two to three seconds faster. It doesn't prove anything the fella was bringing up.

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>>15272901
RX-3 on the front page, THANK YOU OP

>>15272941
This is not a muscle car, why did you post it here?

>>15275244
Still a straight configuration ;^) shitcunt
Even I call my M50 a Straight 6 and inline 6.

>>15273119
are you really contesting that?

>>15273168
still have them in america :^)

>>15275451
>The old XY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4y6kMej-Bio

>>15278264
Not in canuckistan ;_;, hate you guys. I don't want to look for a GTO or G8.

>>15275459
> There's a reason most 8,9,10 second cars are high displacement V8s

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Why are amerifatsos so mad at foreign made muscle?

>>15279232
how many ponnies?

>>15279232
well, its not exactly muscle if you're only pushing 90hp.

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>>15279261
>>15279281
>130 out of a 1.3 liter

>still better than 120 horses out of 7 liters from american cars of its time

>>15275085
Pony cars, muscle cars? What's the shit different? Aren't Camaro, Mustangs and Challenger already considered muscle cars?
You americans are full of shit.