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why are supras so bad?

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why are supras so bad?
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>>15162445

They're not bad. They're just grand tourers. They weren't purpose built to dorifto and track, they were intended as the Jap equivalent of a muscle car.
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>>15162475
So, a gigantic turd?
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Hold on, hold on, let me be /o/ for a second ...

PIGFAT PIGFAT PIGFAT

OVERPRICED

PIGFAT PIGFAT PIGFAT

WAAHHHH FAST AND FURIOUS TAX

WAHHHH I CAN'T AFFORD IT

WAHHH MUH CURB WEIGHT

PIGFAT PIGFAT PIGFAT

I DON'T LIKE CURVACIOUS 90S STYLING BUT WILL PRAISE THE FD FOR THE EXACT SAME THING

TOO MUCH HYPE, NOT ENOUGH CHEAP

I CAN'T OWN IT SO IT MUST BE SHIT

That should get most of the memery out of the way. Let me know if I missed anything.
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>>15162538
>Miatas are better
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pigfat
ugly

that sums up pretty much every generation of Supra
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>>15162556
yeah and this >>15162549
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>>15162575
Miatas are shit tho
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>>15162581
yeah exactly so better than a filthy supra
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pigfat gt's which werent particularly fast . granted they were grand tourers not sports cars so handling and speed was the secondary to comfort. They were the kind of car for cruising around the city in style but with enough punch to overtake and merge effectivly. Never meant for the track .

Problem is so many Fnf kiddies buy these and rice them and go against the original engineers intentions which we hate on /o/ .

So overalll the were okay cars but because of Fnf and japanese rice culture( impossible to find a stock unmolested one over there) we fucking hate them
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>>15162538
>satirical post mocking /o/ shallow points of view

>remainder of thread is proving this post right by unironically citing these reasons

Well done, /o/.
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>>15162647
theres truth in comedy (even if it is from a butthurt Poopra fanboy)

youre too dumb to realize that apparently
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>>15162445
Complete shit, get a Lexus SC instead, at least you won't be seen as a faggot
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Y'all some bitter motherfuckers. Did a Supra kill your mother and rape your father?
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>>15162475
>they were intended as the Jap equivalent of a muscle car

Toyota plz make something like this again.
>cheap
>comfy
>3200-3500lbs
>nice sounding turbo straight-six

The new Poopra is probably going to try being cutting-edge like the new NSX (not that there's anything wrong with that) with a price-tag to boot.

They should make a nice comfy cheap and powerful GT car below the new "supra" and above the GT86. they can even put one of their Turbo engines out of Lexus in it (or maybe even a twin turbo V8) id kill for a car like that from Toyota.
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>>15162782
the Supra was never cheap
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>>15162782
that nigger has indicators on his front bumper on a S1
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>>15162445
FnF fanboys, benchracers and JAY DEE EMM tyte retards masturbating over NA 2JZ engines because "I'm like Paul Walker bro, check out my automatic IS200 with Altezza badges it's like a 4-door Supra."
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>Supra
>Bad
More like badass
Have some of mine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbUSaOrWTpk
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>>15162795
>>15162782
This
They ran about the same price as a viper
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>>15162863
would be better stock thanks for confiming stereotypes my millennial friend
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>>15162863
would look better riced out
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>>15162782
>simple
>powerful
>what is emissions
you do understand that if you want to make power in a modern sports car, VVT ect are essential. this is why people do for muscle cars, because it's legal to drive a 40yo 6L smog demon on the road.
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>>15162863
you're supra a shit
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>>15162882
>stop liking what I don't like
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>>15162863
very nice. sounds great.
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>>15162882
>Supra
>stock

No such thing. Go benchrace.
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>>15162445
Fast and Furious movies.
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Only their bodies are famous.

Nobody wants a 220hp 3.0 inline 6 N/A car.

Having a heavy car that does under 100hp/liter should be a thing of cucks and middle aged people in crisis.
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>>15162445

>tfw always preferred the Stealth/3000GT

>tfw only made in FWD and a really, really bad AWD

I had a mint 91 white/red Stealth R/T, if only it were RWD and didn't weight as much as an SUV thanks to unibody.
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>>15162987
>Supra
>N/A

Looks like someone fell for the SZ trim meme. Twin turbo RZ or bust.
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>>15162795
>>15162875

Were they on par (in terms of overall performance) with Viper GTS/ACRs of the time?
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>>15162987
>hp/l

Come back when you're old enough to drive.
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>>15162990
I thought they did made a 3000GT AWD?
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>>15163004
Viper was faster.

That said very little was faster than a Viper in the early/mid 90s. Stock at least.
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>>15163004
well considering the viper is american it has to be shit too
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>>15163019
t. Ahmed the refugee.
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>>15163001
>muh forced induction

Fuck off. No replacement for displacement.

I dont hate forced induction or anything, but if your engine, a japanese sports engine nonetheless, its unable to make 100 hp/liter in natural aspiration, then its a fucking failure

>inb4 big turbo big hp

Any big turbo makes a shit ton of HP regardless of the displacement, that doesn't mean the engine is unable to work well by itself without a helping hand.


Supra chassis are beautiful, but heavy

Supra engines sound nice, but have low power per liter in N/A
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>>15162990
You know the top trim was intended to be a GT car, right? Supra, GTO, and the 300ZX were supposed to be comfy for long trips, not lightweight beat-me-to-shit track monsters.
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>>15162538
JDM turbo manual A80s (which are actually less powerful than USDM/CDM turbos) can be had for under $20,000 Canuckbucks (though likely in questionable condition) and will probably become cheaper with time as they become more plentiful here. They'll become legal to import to the US soon and hopefully this will be the case there too so /o/ will stop bitching.
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>>15163004
Viper is better

but a whole lot, and I mean a whole lot less comfortable

a Supra with exhaust and a boost controller will walk away from a Viper
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>>15163033
in RCR video he said that the rear windshield touches your head if you are in the rear seats. Cant get much worse than that.
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>>15162782
so basically a Toyota 435i?
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>>15163051
you have no room in back of supra it's literally 1 or 2cm away from touching front seats in mine
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>>15162863
Fuck You're Supra
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>>15163063
Pretty much, ironically the closest modern equivalent would be a Twin Turbo BMW (2/3/435i or M2/3/4)
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>>15163069
Fuck you. Literally the same argument.
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typical /o/ bumping my shitpost to the top
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>>15163069
Fuck You Are Supra?
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They're meme cars.

>stock it's mediocre
>but i can put zillions of horsepoon in it!!

You can do that with any car.
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>>15163090
>not being a supra
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>>15163063
>>15163074

Maybe a Toyota in the Mustang GT price-range similar to the Nissan 370Z. i do very much like the Idea of Japanese Muscle/Pony cars. it would be unheard of if they did a V8 powered GT car similar to the RC-F without all the luxuries (and less heavy of course so its weight is comparable to the before mentioned cars).

I don't think Modern BMW straight-six engines sound all that good. (at least not out the exhaust or through the cabin)
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The people who blindly hate Supras are just as obnoxious as the people who blindly defend them.

This thread is shitpost.
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>>15163127
everyone drives the bmws like fucking pussies so I never know
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>>15163127
forgot pico
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>>15163131
>>15163079
you're onto me
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>>15163127
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4z5F3jzWjrc

Keep in mind the original MKIV Supra Twin Turbo cost the equivalent of $70k today. The closest modern equivalent REALLY would be a M3/M4.

And Toyota isn't in the business of building cheap fast cars. More likely to see the RC-F come out with a I6 TT than a actual $40,000 "Supra".
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>>15162445
>>15162782
>>15162863
>>15162972
why do I always feel so spooked when I see a supra. Feels so skeletal
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>>15163153
meanwhile mazda is selling the new mx5 in australia for 30k
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>>15163094
Do it. 1,000 horsepower EG Civic hatch.
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Thank god no one actually likes Supras. More for the rest of us. Keep hating them. Keep driving the prices down. I'll keep buying them.
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>>15163172
but theyre overpriced normiefag cars

their value is only going up

love how the salty "keep hating them" comment always shows up tho
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>>15163212
What's there to gain by hating a car that's actually built well? Why do you hate it in the first place?

So, yeah, if you don't like them, stay away. It's that simple. Don't see why that's a fallacious remark.
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>>15163230
I dont hate it

its just ugly and fat so I dont like it

the prices arent going down you dumbfuck thats the whole point of my post, thats why its a fallacious remark
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Pretty much summed up as a gt that people think is a sports car. Great for high ways but poor on the track you would be much better off with a miata.for the latter
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>>15163230
I like it.

I am just not mad about it.

I would buy it if i could, but there are better cars, and the engine is not powerful enough
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stand the fuck back faggots
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MFW I can just build a light tube frame with supra fiber glass body and panels over the top.
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>>15163158
That's reasonable. They're $25k in the USA for a base model without a LSD. Miatas were always $26-30k cars since they were new. If anything cars have been getting cheaper not more expensive
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>>15163750
I know but my point is I could buy a whole bunch of things better saw oje of the nicest jzx100s I've ever seen making 500hp going for 30k
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>>15163364
kek, are you really building one? das cool, man
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overpriced as fuck, lol what fucking retard would pay 40k for a 20 year old toyota with an airplane wing with only 320hp stock, for 40 thousand fucking dollars there are dozens of better choices. Sure the supra has the "potential" to make a lot of power out of its 2jz but for that amount of money you could make anything go fast

i actually like the supra as a car - but who the fuck would be stupid enough to waste that kind of money
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>>15166747
kek less than half that in Aus. 40k would get an extremely low miles all original car imported from Japan.
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>>15162875
>$50k MSRP

Jeez, I could have sworn that I was reading articles stating it was about $30-35k.
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>>15162445
>4-banger Supra
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If you dont like this sound they fucking kill your self.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbdgiivRGUY
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>>15166747
>40k

In the US maybe.

I got my UK spec for 9K.
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>>15169972
still quite a lot.
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>japan will never make good looking cars again
feels bad man
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>>15162445
because Toyota can't into passion
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>>15170029
you're complaining about $15k?
get a better job unless you don't want anything nice ever again
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>>15170041
i am not complaining about shit. I am saying that a 90's 6 cylinder coupe is quite expensive for 9k.

Its still nothing compared to others, and for the rice it gets getting a supra for under 10k is still "cheap".

But i really doubt that you will get a supra TT for 9k in the US again.
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>>15163023

>No replacement for displacement

the amount of faggots that say this is ridiculous
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>>15169972

in canada, acquired RZ for 18k in our monopoly money
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>>15171376
>trying to defend having a shitty engine and no money to change it

Truly the faggot here is you
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>>15163023
>its unable to make 100 hp/liter in natural aspiration, then its a fucking failure
natural aspiration is for cucks, fuck off
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>>15171414

I have made said "shitty engine" pretty great with not as much money as you'd think

enjoy your shitty engines
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>>15171420
TURBOS are for cucks
>my engine is not powerful enough wah wah what do!
>i know! i will install this device that compensates for my shitty car to make it quicker!
>Now my car has 1000 hp/liter! i am not a beta anymore!
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>>15171450
will do. Look for the NSX engine if you want an example of a real man's engine
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>>15171452
>more power, more reliability, better mileage
>for cucks

lel

nice sour grapes

N/A will always be inferior
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>>15171459
a weak v6 from an accord.
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>>15171462
>more power
Simulated, maybe
>more reliability
Literally the opposite
>better mileage
See above

>trying to justify buying a cheap engine upgrade instead of changing the engine or modifying it to be better directly
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>>15171459

Yes, so superior
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>>15162782
Nigger, Supras are straight sixes. No exceptions.
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>>15171477
A 4.8 vortec with two turbos worth $500 each will make 1000hp
Good luck making that power na
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>>15171465
>reliable 3.0 V6 that does almost 100hp/liter
>compared to inline 6 from supras and skylines that does almos the same with the help of turbos

Not looking bad here.
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>>15171492
> turn up boost on the turbo engines for massive gains
> cai on na shit for maybe 2hp gain
Roflmao
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>>15171490
http://www.superchevy.com/how-to/ghtp-1208-competitive-motor-engine-build-1029hp-440ci-na-lsx/


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>>15171477
>simulated
top kek, is this nigger serious?

>Literally the opposite
yeah right, you are seriously one dumb faggot

go ahead, try to make a thousand HP out of a Ford Coyote n(a, if you ever find how, let me know if you don't have to rebuild it every month

>See above
again, you are a dumb nigger, driving a turbo car off boost or with a boost controller actually yields better mileage than a high strung n/a engine

stay mad n/a is shit, cuck
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>>15171498
>driving a turbo car off boost or with a boost controller actually yields better mileage than a high strung n/a engine

So you mean that having a turbo car without the turbo function its better that having the turbo function! Jeez, Thanks for the info!

Call me next time when your turbo oil line breaks and your engine blows up
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>>15171497
> 440ci vs 4.8l
> costs countless times more
Roflmao, thanks for proving that turbo is superior for making power
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>>15171497
>scroll to the next article
>a 1200 hp turbo engine running on pump gas
KEK, your own source proves n/a a SHIT

>>15171504
thats right, with a turbo car, you can lower the boost pressure so you dont have to stress your engine all the time, something that can't be done on n/a

>Thanks for the info!
you are welcome, glad i managed to inform a retarded n/a cuck about something

>your turbo oil line breaks and your engine blows up
kek, if you are so fucking retarded at building engines that you cannot install an oil line, dont even think of having to balance an engine so it can rev up to 10k in order to make power faggot
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>n/a cuck
>pushrod fangirl

jesus christ, this is what happens when you dont raise your kids correctly
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if you want to have a rational discussion about the supra wait until the amerilards are asleep
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>>15171549
if you want to have a rational discussion about anything wait until the amerilards are asleep*

ftfy
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>>15171526
>turbo is superior

Never said that making a powerful N/A engine was cheap. Just said that it was the real deal for non-cucks, cuck.

>>15171527
>KEK, your own source proves n/a a SHIT

No shit a turbo engine will make more power than an N/A always. You asked for a 1000hp N/A engine, and i gave you exactly that.

>you can lower the boost pressure so you dont have to stress your engine all the time, something that can't be done on n/a

Doesn't has to be done because the engine is not under stress without a turbo, m8.

> if you are so fucking retarded at building engines that you cannot install an oil line

Try "actual car manufacturers" now.

>dont even think of having to balance an engine so it can rev up to 10k in order to make power faggot

If you dont know how to make engines, or have a thing about making small displacement N/A engines, sure.
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>>15171557
If you want to have a rational discussion about anything, don't come to /o/*

actually ftfy
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>>15171568
Uh huh I asked for a 1000hp na 4.8 vortec not a custom built 440ci
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>>15163131
/thread

I own a supra, it's a pleasure to drive.

While it's not as insane as some of the other cars i own, it's by no means gutless.

In it's stock form it has near perfect weight distribution and comes optioned with bilstein shocks, standard with retarded good brakes (that were only beaten by the carrera GT when it came out) and is a nice comfortable TWO SEATER.

When you start to spend money on it, it quickly transforms into nightmare fuel. The engine takes very easily to massive amounts of boost. Modern coilovers, lowering slightly and variable downforce adjustment, alongside chassis re-knitting turn it into not just a straight line monster, but a vicious demon on wide, sweeping twisties.

Yes, it will not shine on extreme touge, but that's never what it was made for. It's a car for fucking around in the countryside, a good strong manual muscle car that CAN turn quite well.

People always build them to be straight line monsters, but they do amazingly on turns right up until you enter the most extreme of touge.

People also love to shitpost about how they're the ultimate car, which is pure bullshit. They are just as obnoxious as the faggots who've never driven one to it's limit and seen just how high that really is.

They're a tuner hero, and there's a reason for that.
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>>15171568
>No shit a turbo engine will make more power than an N/A always.
thats all that matters, the rest of your post is irrelevant

GG no re, n/a a shit

> the engine is not under stress without a turbo, m8.
>a n/a engine making 200 hp/l at 10k isn't stressed
kek, you are literally fucking retarded

>"actual car manufacturers"
what kind of retarded post is this?
there are turbodiesel trucks out there crossing continents pulling tonnes of cargo with over a million miles with just regular maintenance

you are a dumb fucking faggot, absolutely no reason for you not to kill yourself

i recommend you jumping off the nearest bridge or skyscraper
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>>15171586
>A 4.8 vortec with two turbos worth $500 each will make 1000hp
Good luck making that power na

Does that sounds like asking for the same engine to make that much power in N/A? because it doesn't to me
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>>15171608
yes, it does sound like that

keep backpedaling, n/a cuck

n/a a shit
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>>15171600
>thats all that matters, the rest of your post is irrelevant
>GG no re, n/a a shit
That was not the point of the discussion, faggot. The point of the discussion is that you need a turbo for your engine to make 100 hp /liter or anything remotely close to average HP output its because you are a cuck that cant afford to either increase compression, make the engine rev higher, or a poorfag that cannot afford an engine swap.

>>a n/a engine making 200 hp/l at 10k isn't stressed
>kek, you are literally fucking retarded

Any fucking engine at any RPM its """""stressed""""", but if you need to lower the output because your turbo is too big then you fucked up engine building

>there are turbodiesel trucks out there crossing continents pulling tonnes of cargo with over a million miles with just regular maintenance

So that somehow means turbos cant be broken? Holy shit you know how to pull a st rawman

>>15171614
>saying retarded shit
>getting BTFO
>backpedaling saying you meant something else
>Again. Turbo cuck.
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>>15171608
> a 4.8 vortec
Yep
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>>15167037
The prices for all four big import sports cars went up a TON during their short runs in the US market because of inflation in the Japanese economy and the Yen/USD exchange rate. That's why they stopped selling them in the US.
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>>15171630
>That was not the point of the discussion, faggot
>backpedaling this hard

top kek

GG no re faggot

n/a makes lolnopower, enjoy spending more money at making no power

>saying retarded shit
the only retard saying retarded shit is the n/a cuck throwing around buzzwords and backpedaling everytime he gets BTFO

n/a a shit, deal with it
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>>15171598
Holy shit.

Someone made a reasonable post on /o/.
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>>15171568
>Doesn't has to be done because the engine is not under stress without a turbo, m8.
Well that's wrong. If you need to make big power out of a NA motor you need huge cam(s) and super heavy valve springs. Some of the Drag Week guys go to the trouble of swapping out rockers for a lower ratio to lower the effects of these pressures. Your highly-strung atmo motor is wearing out at idle.
Also you need a super free flowing exhaust. When the piston flies up the bore on the exhaust stroke on a turbo car, the back pressure cushions the conrod and takes a lot of the load of deceleration off the conrod and bearing. Atmo motors don't have this.

Basically to make big power you need a large volume of fuel/air to be highly compressed. You can do this with really big cubes and huge compression and have an engine under pressure (and lag, actually) all the time, or do it with a load-sensing compression increaser.

Both of those systems are cool, but you don't know what you're talking about
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>>15171672
Kinda had to. You can tell half these posts are just pure fucking shit spewed out by people who think trolling is getting a reaction, instead of quality banter.

The rest are just pure ignorance. The supra, like any car, has it's flaws. It's not perfect.

But it's a damn good car as well and you are a fucking retard if you think it's popular simply because of a movie.
It's popular because it's a tuner hero. It's a car people can enjoy in it's stock form, but then also bring it to stupid levels of power with some hard work and $$$

Most importantly (and i know this word is taboo here) it's FUN.
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>>15171673
You know half of the upgrades you stated are also done on almost every turbo engine, right?
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>>15171706
90% of the time you can keep the stock valvetrain on any turbo build and still make a 50% increase on power

with turbo tunning you mostly need fuel and cooling, not airflow
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>>15163004
legit slower
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>>15171724
>90% of the time you can keep the stock valvetrain on any turbo build and still make a 50% increase on power
Depends mostly on what kind of N/A power we are talking about and how much we want.

If i turbo a 2.0 200 hp engine i will want to make it reach 300hp or 400. And even with a 50% hp increase as an objective i pretty much NEED to modify the valves.

You do use logic n shit instead of just relying on being a cuck like the previous posters, but my point is still not something about N/A power vs F/I power. Its about engine making.

If your engine doesn't do 100 hp/liter without being an old engine/being factory ready to take an aftermarket turbo (AKA: low compression of under 8:1) Then its because you somehow fucked up.

Take the turbos of the Supra that add 60-100 hp and place them into the V6 NSX, an engine that already makes 270hp naturally aspirated. Your results will be much better than with the previous engine already.

Of course, that's not even saying much considering that with a turbo big enough any HP is possible, even if you want a 1.5 3 cyls to reach 1000hp, but a sign of good engine building is having an engine be powerful enough without the need of external help like F/I or NO2.
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>>15163364
with space frames do you integrate the roll cage or is it added later
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>>15171746
>If i turbo a 2.0 200 hp engine i will want to make it reach 300hp or 400. And even with a 50% hp increase as an objective i pretty much NEED to modify the valves.

nah senpai, there are honda k20/k24 engines that make 400hp with just a turbo, the GM ecotec can make close to 340whp with just a tune, mitsu was selling 400whp evos with just a tune aswell

> Your results will be much better than with the previous engine already.
not really, if you want to turbo or supercharge an NSX, you need to build the engine because its weak as fuck, its open deck to begin with

with just a tune you can easily make 320hp , since that what toyota did for the export models

>good engine building is having an engine be powerful enough without the need of external help like F/I or NO2.
yeah right, this sounds like some retarded motivational talk
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>>15171775
>yeah right, this sounds like some retarded motivational talk
You hurt my feelings onii-chan
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>>15171805
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>le supra is bad meme
>>15162863
I love it
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I dont get why people say the supra is bad for the track, I see them used all the time in AUS/NZ/JP.

Is it just a thing in the US where they only get driven in a straight line.
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>>15171918
yes

japan too to a lesser extent (ridox's supra doesn't count, aristos/supras are used as 0-400m and wangan cars or what's left of wangan racing)
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>>15171958
>ridox doesnt count
u fockin wot m8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbvngVXRqIs
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>>15163017
There isn't much faster than a Viper in the 2000's and 2010's either.
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>>15171918
Because people are easily meme'd. It's like yeah sure it wasn't designed from factory to be some track monster, but because it got known for it's HP potential that's all 90% of people think it can do.

It can be a very potent track car if that's what someone sets out to do with it but most get sucked into the 1000hp roll racing shit.
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>>15172193
one of my favorite supra videos
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>>15171541
>Viper is naturally aspirated pushrod engine
>that's somehow bad
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>>15171775
Wait. Sorry to beat a dead horse. but what do you mean that the NSX engine is weak and requires an open deck rebuilding to take a turbo?
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YOU SHUT YOUR FUCKING DOUBLE NIGGER MOUTH RIGHT FUCKING NOW

RRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>15172193

Based Apex and the Ridox posts. Ty senpai.

Based sounds from Orido's Supra for you guys:

https://youtu.be/ZbdgiivRGUY
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