>220bhp >1375kg/3000lbs >10mpg Incredible.

>>15137230
no one said rotaries would get good economy

Isn't it under 1300kg?

>>15137230
10 MPG... of oil

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>>15137271
680/630.. 1310Kgs

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>>15137230
>he's so poor he cares about gas mileage

>>15137230
Hey, at least it looks great, doesn't use much oil and is really reliable. Plus it's a great daily driver, no messing about waiting for it to warm up or anything.

>>15137282
It uses significantly less oil than any new Honda, Mercedes, audi, BMW, vw etc
Lol

>>15137291
this. its confirmed by the manufactures 'accepted oil burn rate per 1000km' or something along those lines.

it had even lower usage than porsche.

but shit, rotaries need turbos, or at least proper sized ports. they limped the shit out of the rx8 for economy sake it just made them terrible engines.

>>15137332
The renesis is capable of 280hp with exhaust, stock intake, and aggressive tuning. But horrible fuel consumption

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>>15137282
>looks great

>>15137340
yeah, and thats exactly it. it needed to be gimped. rotaries arent for people that want to drive economically.

if hydrogen fuel became more widespread they would be awesome.

>>15137340
No.

>>15137387
whats so unbelievable about 280hp, in a car that came stock with 245hp standard. and the engine still revs to 8500rpm.

Eight Thousand Five Hundred.

That kind of makes 280hp a bit less impressive.

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There's one with 6MT on sale near me. It has a twin oil intercooler and a racing exhaust. The owner claims it only has been serviced by rotary specialist It's from 2004 an only has like 9K miles on it. He is asking 11k dollars.

Should I do it? I've read that the RX-8 pre 2006 had the most problems.

>>15137397
>revs to 8500
>less than 300hp
>b-but muh revs
>thinking this is impressive
Get ended faggot

>>15137416
you dont understand what i posted

im not impressed by the revs. its a moot point.

my point is, you say 280hp isnt possible on a stock RX8 that comes out from the factory at 245hp.

Why are Revs important? Because...

Torque * Revs = HP

So, a litre motorbike can make 200hp. cause it revs to 15,000.

With me?

>>15137442
I didn't say that. I'm just the second person to think you're retarded. You were talking to the other guy who thinks you're an idiot

>>15137446
then you clearly dont understand how Horsepower is calculated.

Ok then

>>15137282
>waiting for it to warm up
I've never done this with a car

>>15137442
they don't actually make 245hp from the factory though

>>15137230
Cool
too bad about the meme engine.
shoulda had a v8

>>15137470
>Like other standard 248 PS (182 kW; 245 hp) RX-8s

From Wikipedia.

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>>15137397
No. From the factory, the most anyone has ever seen in a healthy motor is 185whp. With an aggressive 100 octane tune, with a header, airbox, and catback, 2 oz/g premix, you might see 220 whp, and that's optimistic.

Source: I own one of these fuckin things

>>15137404
pls respond ;_;

>>15137500
Ripoff. It's a grand touring (read: pigfat) and ALL the 6MT came with the oil coolers. There's nothing special. Car is maybe worth 7k.

>>15137495
Wikipedia will tell you the GT86 makes 197hp, we all know that isn't true either.

>>15137499
not once did anyone mention WHEEL horsepower. You did. so, take the difference lost and add it to your figure.

or maybe they tested wheel power, i dont know.

>>15137442
you say 280hp isnt possible on a stock RX8 that comes out from the factory at 245hp.

>>15137397
whats so unbelievable about 280hp, in a car that came stock with 245hp standard. and the engine still revs to 8500rpm.


>>15137340
The renesis is capable of 280hp

>>15137527
from a NA Boxer?

Power: 200 PS (147 kW; 197 hp) at 7,000 RPM

thats not a surprising figure at all for a 2litre engine.

>>15137544
>being this much of a stats babby
are you new to cars m8?

>>15137510
The grand touring didn't come in 2005?

>>15137404
If the rest of the car is clean it might be worth it for the price. But extra cooling and an exhaust on a twelve year old car with only 9k suggests it was a track toy.

Which would make for 9k very hard miles on the engine and trans esp. At any rate I'd investigate the costs associated with a rebuild for when the apex seals fail and tack that onto the cost of the car itself.

If that price works for you then go for it, RX-8's are great handling machines and quick enough for what they are.

Do consider though that the S2000 is an alternative in a similar price bracket with most of the same qualities and fewer drawbacks.

And if you like modifying/arent concerned with straight line performance the Miata and MR-S can be had cheaper and while slower have the same emphasis on handling.

>>15137528
You think the drive train is so inefficient as to be at 30% parasitic loss?

I'm friends with the guy who rebuilt the Koni Challenge RX8 motors - these things DO NOT make 245 CRANK, you buffoon.

>>15137404
9k Miles seems extremely suspect.

It would be a weird car to roll back, but it's not out of the question for a dude trying to make a quick buck.

>>15137544
it actually only makes 139 hp at the crank

this translates to around 45 hp at the wheel at 7100 rpm

>>15137561
There's no extra cooling - all 6MT came with dual coolers.

>>15137551
i dont rank cars by numbers. its simple maths. thats all this is about. 280hp from a 1.3 litre engine that runs like a two stroke and revs all the way the 8500rpm..

is that 280hp is not surprising. and 2 litres and 200hp at 7000rpm. not surprising.

>>15137570
i never put a number on it. but regardless of what the actual percentage loss is, its still a loss. and that means whatever the power at the wheels is, its going to be more at the crank.

>>15137573
kek


>>15137577
you're pretty clueless lad

>>15137589
thank you captain obvious

>>15137589
It's not 30%. You are in a dream world.

>>15137573
>>15137570
139/45 is 94. thats a 94kmh loss from drivetrain.

which is, what, 67% power loss.

>>15137598
hey, im not the one that brought it up. the other dude brought it up.

>>15137599
again, read >>15137604


>>15137591
clueless? why? how?

>>15137612
back to /ovg/ pls lil fella

>>15137561
Yeah, it was probably a track toy. I would definitely go for a S2000, but I've never seen one on sale nor in the street, so I'm positive it never came to my country. This offer caught my eye because it's the first time I found a RX8 with manual. Every other one I've seen is AT (sequential).

>>15137629
lol what do you think you just won?

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>>15137604
>he took that post seriously

>>15137654
you took my post seriously? lol

>>15137645
>>15137561

Well I wrote to the guy and he says it's actually from 2005 so probably RX8fag is right about being a GT.

Ah decisions. I'll go take a look at it next week. I'll check the apex seals and the usual stuff.

>>15137666
you've been acting like a retard for half the thread why would I assume you weren't being serious

>>15137573
I can vouch for this, I drive by one every day.

>>15137387
Yes, the formula Mazda guys have it down

>>15137690
and that means whatever the power at the wheels is, its going to be more at the crank.

That part makes me retarded? i was explaing that to a retard.


139/45 is 94. thats a 94kmh loss from drivetrain.

which is, what, 67% power loss.

and that is sarcasam back to this guy

>It's not 30%. You are in a dream world.


because this guy thinks that

>it actually only makes 139 hp at the crank

>this translates to around 45 hp at the wheel at 7100 rpm

he was being sarcastic and he didnt put in a /s. so why should i?

>>15137715
You're a retard.

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>>15137715
>He fell for the 'crank hp is different than whp' meme.

LMAOing@urlifeRN

>>15137762
You make 6 inches at the testes but only 3 inches at the penis

>>15137743
says the retard

>>15137762
lol

>>15137768
Why don't you call up Racing Beat or Mazdatrix and ask them how much a stock fresh Renesis made on the engine dyno if you don't believe me.

>>15137645
That's definitely motivation towards the RX-8. And if it is clean it is a fun car. Definitely not straight line fast but a very well sorted chassis, and a 6MT plus 8500 rpm redline is always a good thing.

>>15137793
236ps according to amemiya-san

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>>15137793
Why do that when I can just google RX8 Stock Motor Dyno

and then tell you that the point is making 280HP, not Wheel Power, with a 13b rotary is still not that difficult. Especially when they are tuned from factory to run ECONOMICALLY.

Do you just really believe that 13B Renesis cant make 280HP (Crank Horsepower, Engine Horsepower)..

Which again, is not really a huge deal nowadays. This isnt the seventies.

>>15137793
NA : Team rx8 hit about 220whp

Team RX 8 got 220 to the wheels.

team's car has no AC, and lots of stuff has been *Stripppppppped* out for weight savings

he has a custom self built exhaust manifold, custom self built exhaust, customized CAI (which i have dibs on if he will ever send it to me. ), lightweight rims, probably pullies and every other single hp gaining mod, no matter how infinitesimal.

i think he said 226whp btw. but the only dyno he posted was 222whp.

so, what percentage of Parasitic loss should we use to calculate this then?

>>15137849
15% is standard practice for manual rwd

>>15137849
I'd go with 72% parasitic loss at that point. that's a lot of mawds.

>>15137853
220whp + 15% (33hp) 253hp at the crank.

Thats 30hp off the other guys estimate. and thats from back in 2008.

>>15137835
>Why do that when I can just google RX8 Stock Motor Dyno
kek why indeed, it's the current year after all

>>15137870
its also 2am, and i really dont want to talk to people using my voice.

>>15137849
TeamRX8 is a dick. His car was a STX car, now it's a DSP car, if I'm not wrong that 226 is on E85. Also within SP rules he's using a Series II diff. 226 is realistic. Not whatever you guys are spazzing about.

>>15137880
okay get mummy to do it for you in the morning

>>15137892
226 what? Wheel horsepower?

+15% drivetrain loss is about 250hp.

thats 30 off the other guys estimate.

and my argument didnt specify what mods were done or how it was tuned.

i just said that 1.3L rotary making around 280hp isnt that surprising.

if you were to bridgeport it, or street port it. but for the sake of argument, just say stock engine without internal work? then thats still only 30hp difference.

8500rpms is a lot of revs

>>15137907
rpm doesn't mean shit bro. yeah sure hp=rpm*torque, but torque doesn't stay the same as rpm increases

you can't just increase revs and expect power to keep going up

>>15137907
listen you dumb nigger it makes 185 at the wheels stock
that's ~215 at the crank
not 245

getting to 280 at the crank just with an exhaust and tuning isn't happening.

>>15137907
When you go into internal mods, it's a whole different animal.

>>15137914
Yeah that's true, torque does drop off and I totally agree.

But look at a rotaries torque curve, they are different than a regular piston engine.

>>15137907
>and my argument didnt specify what mods were done or how it was tuned.
err, yes it did
>>15137340
>The renesis is capable of 280hp with exhaust, stock intake, and aggressive tuning. But horrible fuel consumption

>>15137932
Doesn't mean its not possible with a rotary. I never gave you a limit to what mods to do. But that also means I didn't specify that forced induction wasn't an option either.

We would be aiming for 250hp at the wheels, those guys got it to 220. That's only 30hp difference. And that was 8 years ago.

>>15137937
Also true.

>>15137950
Yeah >>15137340 isn't me.i'm >>15137363

>>15137971
you should have corrected him, seeing as you replied.
so your argument is it could make 280 with forced induction, which no one doubts.

>>15137230
Yup. I've had 2. I get to complain.

I now have north of 500hp, and get 15mpg on the same driving route in a car that ways 900lbs more. Anyone who thinks the rotary is coming back is delusional.

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>>15137932
Makes 232hp at the crank according to reamemiya

>>15137937
There isn't much to do in the way of internal mods, other than reshaping the ports a tiny tiny bit. Pic related

>>15137984
I should just trip up, but that would make me a faggot.

And way, let's not talk forced induction anyway. Stick with NA.

Look at the 26B, it make nearly 700hp (wheels or crank I'm not sure). And that's probably the best example I guess? I'd need to research that more.

>>15137984
I was replying to the whole 280hp and someone talking about wheel horsepower. And that 280jp on an NA rotary isn't unbelievanle.

But again, what's the budget, what's the deal with engine work? If I'm gabbing up a custom exhaust, can I do a new intake? Etc etc.

>>15137966
You're just wrong at this point. Let it go

>>15138020
See
>>15138008

>>15138008
What's 278.3PS in green for?
And 236.7PS in red then?

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>>15138029
>he just can't let it go

>>15138040
Green is modified red is stock

>>15137230
Mine got 18 mpg and was running fine on its original engine at 106,000 miles two weeks ago when i sold it.

>>15137230
That's pretty good MPG if you consider the power/weight ratio as well as power in general.... BUT it's also bad on oil!
Fuck me if I don't want one, though.

>>15137907

you cant bridgeport a renesis. you can't really anything-port a renesis

>>15137230
thats a wanker engine for you

>>15139708
someone tell racing beat

http://www.racingbeat.com/RX8/Porting-Tools/22203.html

>rotary engines can't make more than 280hp

Wew lad

>>15137230
>I don't understand people who like cars for more than just logical reasons
Are you sure you're an enthusiast? You don't have to like the car, but you there's more to liking a car than the numbers.

>>15139832
no there isn't

that's like saying you'll fuck fat women just because they have 'personality'

what's the fucking point

>>15139844
epic

>>15138561
>I got 18mpg
>it lasted 108k
>in my mind

>>15137282
>doesn't use much oil
It uses 2 stroke levels of oil and requires warming up or you'll flood the fucking thing.

I like rotaries, but don't pretend they're reliable.

>>15140506
2 stroke levels of oil? If you premix yeah kinda but not really
Engine oil? Nothing, definitely not more than the average piston engine

> warming up
Basically don't red line straight from a cold start, like any performance engine

You may like rosaries but don't pretend to know anything about them

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You are all aware that rotary engines/the rx8 were good until Ford got involved, right?

Only the Yanks could take a road racing engine and decide it must be made into a 4 door economy car. Probably because they don't understand how power works in anything other than a 10l v8.

>>15137230
Great car except for the engine :^))))

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>>15140456
One of the last pictures before i sold it. That was an all in town tank so MPG was probably low 17's.

>>15137230
>10mpg
Damn and my friend has one as his daily + drives to vegas (from LA) whenever we go

It's a manlet car, if you are over 5 feet and sit in the backseat you WILL be uncomfortable

>>15141617
Who told you this car had a backseat?

>>15137230
Mine gets 10 when i race, 23 otherwise. Urdoingitrong.fag.

>>15137230
just swap a honda engine.

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>>15137230

>>15137282
>10 mpg
>great dd
lmao

>>15137230
I like mine.
Cheap tax for the power, and non-retarded insurance because morons buy Twin-Cam corollas or Glanzas.

RX8's tend not to get hedged here because they tend not to be owned by morons.

It's quicker than most econoboxen out there. Most Irish people own 90-100bhp VAG diesels and other gutless shite so it'll leave most of 'em for smoke in a haze of petrol.

It's also a comfortable cunt on long journeys and not too bad on the petrol once it's outside of town.

The chassis is a fucking blast. It's still one of the best on the road - even without the electronic nannies in the background. A lot of revs means it's a very easy car to drive quick. Was belting it around the local racetrack in the pissings of rain and it just didn't give a fuck.

They're popular here because they're like our women. Tight inside, and easy to beat the shit out of.

>>15141639
My friend drives one and I have been in the backseat which was a pain in the ass because I'm 6ft2 and there's not enough room for someone to sit comfortably

>>15142301
How much do you pay for insurance on it in Ireland? Fucking trying to find anything gives me retarded prices

>>15142169
not everybody has to want in line to get gas

>>15142353
E1400 P.A. with 3yr no claims.

Got quoted similar numbers on the usual shitboxen so it's probably the area. A lot of people get them for half that. For the performance it's not rediculous.

Maintenance is OK. I can do most of my own.

Aside from the fuel, it's fine. I've upgraded my ignition and removed the catalyst and it's perfectly happy.

As much as a 10 yearold car can be.

>>15142399
Looks okay even for Ireland's retarded insurance. I'm on my permit trying to find something that won't be incredibly expensive. I wish I could get a reasonable price on a toyota mrs...
Fucking filled out the quote on Axa the other day for a 1.3 jimny and it said 3k. Do you have any tips for cheap insurance? Bonus points if it's not a soulless shitbox

>>15142429
Try avoid the common yokes. If it's something that looks like it should have cheap insurance, it probably won't because everyone else thinks that.

Then crashes the fuck out of them.

Unfortunately you'll be unlikely to get much less than 3k. Insurance has gone balubas lately. My first year's insurance with no NCB was 1100..... with a 60% discount it's now 1400.


I got a quote of 1800 for a 1.5 diesel megane.....

>>15142463
Fucking stupid. Someone needs to do something about that bullshit. I'm considering a bike as well, I hope the insurance for that wasn't affected.

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>1385kg
>231hp
>40-45 mpg highways
feels ok

>>15142527
Owned by cunts.