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biggest fail swap ever

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>>15133343
>not liking affordable, reliable power

>>15133357
its a meme swap thats worse than the original engine for the price paid 9/10 times

not to mention it sounds awful

>>15133343
Well I saw a few Supras with LS Swap at the Tuning World in Germany, my eyes were bleedig...

>>15133367
>worse than the original engine
The original engine being?

>>15133369
I see no issue in LS swapping the NA ones.

>>15133421
>9/10 times

as in 9 out of every 10 LS swaps in general is dumb shit

l2read

>>15133427
Alright, throw us some examples.

>>15133447
literally every car that isnt some old shitbox muscle car

>>15133460
>be you
>have autism

So you're just pulling shit out of your ass.

>"V8 BAD, V8 BAD."

Could've at least argued against LS-swapping the RX-7 or something you meme-spouting faggot.

>>15133490
GM fangirl confirmed for triggered

>>15133460
people swap engines, bfd.

There use to be kits for swapping the Chrysler SOHC 3.5L into Porsches. BFD.

>>15133508
the point is the swaps are stupid

l2read

fucking fangirls

>>15133516
>swaps are dumb
Explain why. You've made your claim, now provide something to support it.

>>15133524
For the cost and time you could get more out of the original engine, it's a waste
People do it because they can, not because it's a viable option

>>15133508
>buy older Porsche in good cosmetic shape with blown engine for next to nothing
>swap in cheap Chrysler engine
>get pussy from ignorant, shallow, gold digger types that are attracted to the badge on the car and think you must be kinda rich and successful

Honestly, I could think of worse ways to blow $10k.

>>15133524
you stupid nigger I havent said swaps are dumb

I said LS swaps are dumb

l2read

getting tired of posting it

its a waste of money when the stock engine can do the same or more for less 9/10 times

>>15133530
>being this assmad

Did someone in an exploded Z06 fuck your mother?

>>15133530
>I said LS swaps are dumb
>the stock engine can do the same or more for less 9/10 times

You've made an exaggerated claim. Nothing more to support it. A bit like those ugly fat women who claim 1 in 4 girls will be raped. Are we talking 2JZ-GE, 4G63, K20A, 13B MSP against LSx, or are you just a clueless retard?

>>15133536
epic insults XD

you have to be 18 to post on this site tho just a heads up

>>15133546
not my fault youre stupid

9/10 times in general you dumb fuck

all those would be retarded to get rid of for a ls

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>>15133557
>9/10 times in general
>in general

1 in 4 will be raped, 9 in 10 will be shit swaps.

>>15133569
so when you get presented with info you dont like you spout bullshit and post pictures

wew

keep on fangirling

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>>15133581

>>15133585
Delete this

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>>15133578
>>15133581

wow

>>15133581
Do you suppose those headlights are rigged up and still work?

Tuning memes are just stupid pictures made by face book normies who aren't into cars enought to understand what they are talking about...

Kinda like people here except normies with money to buy evos and friends to share stupid memes with.

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>>15133607
That's what I'm wondering as well

>>15133460
>Putting a light weight more efficient engine that doesn't need a laggy turbo to make power is bad.

I guess you got fooled by the superior japanese engineering meme.

>>15133490
You forgot, >hurrr durr results on the dyno showing they make more power with a better rev range than little japanese engines dont matter because push rods.

>>15133626
>spending more money for a heavier less efficient engine is good

guess you fell for the LS meme sad that people still are in 2016

>>15133526
14 Year old detected.

>>15133530
The stock engines can make the same power except with more stress on the engine due to it's small capacity and turbo lag due needing huge turbos to do so.

>>15133631
LS swaps are lighter than pig fat 2Js and RB engines and make power without turbo lag.

Deal with it.

>>15133637
Dumb ass 16 year old detected

>>15133637
its like you dont know anything about turbos (oh wait)

I swear all you lsfags think its 1978

turbo lag is almost nonexistent today
even a 1.8 Honda can make 500whp and spool up just fine with no lag

>>15133642
they really arent

stop buying into memes you tard and try to educate yourself instead of relying on memes

>>15133647
Do some research for yourself and find that they are...

I am not even going to argue with the retarded shit you post so just do it.

>>15133642
> turbo lag
Underage bus rider detected

If you think modern V8 are heavy and slow you are the one that thinks it's 1978.

>>15133657
>I am not even going to argue with the retarded shit you post so just do it.

aka

I dont know anything and am talking of my ass

>>15133647
>even a 1.8 Honda can make 500whp and spool up just fine with no lag
At a price. You're going to need a fuckhuge turbo for that and it's sure as shit not going to do that on stock internals for long.

With unlimited funds you could get more out of the stock engine than an LSx. Making it both more powerful and reliable would cost far more. If making a car fast was so simple an eBay turbo would be all you needed to make your beat-to-shit Corolla a Chevy-killer.

Also,

>it's the current year
>educate yourself

Top kek.

>>15133658
>turbo lag isn't a thing
Someone's clearly never driven a car with a TD04. It's completely insignificant in daily driving but noticeable.

>>15133686
> at a price
Far cheaper than what it costs to swap an engine that doesn't belong in there :^)

>>15133663
I don't really feel like doing a whole bunch of googling and fact checking just to prove to someone that alloy LS motors weigh less than 2js.

It's your problem not mine if you wish to stay ignorant..

I am just telling you that the actual facts are out there.

>>15133686
and it still going to be cheaper than swapping a LS1 into it

>If making a car fast was so simple an eBay turbo would be all you needed to make your beat-to-shit Corolla a Chevy-killer.

but thats exactly how it is

we live in an age where 13s and 12s are a cheap kit away

>TD04

80s turbo

get with the times

>>15133695
its like a 100-150 lb difference with transmissions and everything
big whoop just going to a single turbo would take maybe 30 lbs off that

2JZ makes more power
has more potential for more


LS swap a retarded

>>15133686
but then you just take the money you'd waste on a 4banger and invest half into the LS and use the rest on beers and smokes.

could be DDing a 1.5khp beast that has a decent powerband, or a shtbox that has to rev past 7k to make over 200hp then shift at 10k just as it passes 500

>>15133704
> people this stupid post on /o/

Fuck it I did a quick google because I wasted so much time being a retard and wasting my time replying to someone who actually thinks turbo lag isn't a thing.

http://www.rx7club.com/other-engine-conversions-non-v-8-118/stock-vs-ls-vs-2jz-weight-1063061/

Still think the LS weighs so much more than a 2J?

>>15133701
The 2j is still a small engine with turbo lag.

ITT: busracers who will never do what they're talking about
Stop shitting up the thread you fucking retarded cunts neither of you will ever be able to afford a car

>>15133720
you dont even know what turbo lag is holy shit

2JZ is still better and faster

>>15133723
then you have the cringey faggot whos probably in middle school

>>15133686
the fuck are you talking about big turbo = more lag

>>15133730
>the fuck are you talking about big turbo = more lag
That's something you have to deal with if you want more power through FI.

>thread shitted up with the first post

>>15133742
replied to wrong dude I'm a retard
I meant to reply to>>15133647

>>15133727
Well, at least I got you to realise that an allow LS swap weighs less than a 2J.

Perhaps another day you will realise what turbo lag is.

>>15133707
>not caring about drivability
do you just set the idle around 4/5k?

kek ls454s make over 400ftlb from 1k and you can buy it in a crate.
where does the heavily modified vtaks even make that?

>>15133755
you didnt make me realize anything

if you werent so retarded you wouldve noticed I posted that already (the difference means nothing its so insignificant btw, talk about a waste of money that LS)

maybe one day you will learn since you obviously dont know anything at all

>>15133748
confirmed having never driven a modern turbo car or at least one properly built for it

all you guys do is parrot bullshit

>>15133758

Not who you are replying to but I like vtec motors as well as LS.

I don't understand the appeal of getting too much power out of them though.

>>15133773

I don't mean they can't be fast I just think its better to aim at 150-250 Hp with honda engines rather than squeezing such huge power out of them.

>>15133769
Which is different from your original point of thinking it's heavier than a 2j.


>Turbo lag isn't a thing.

Okay lol.

>>15133787

I should also mention that I am a big fan of Japanese cars particularly ones from the 90s such as s14s..

However I just know that LS swaps aren't the retarded heavy slow things retards make them out to be.

>>15133794
fangirl still mad his engine is bad

LS = Literally Shit

>>15133798

I have a k20 swapped crx.

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>>15133315
This cunt and his Suzuki.
Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.
https://youtu.be/Zkk7caFGr8w

>>15133769
you're retarded if you think there isn't such thing as turbo lag. Why do you think drifters clutch kick halfway around corners sometimes? they have to let off and then put power back on again.

24 seconds into this vid watch boost guage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37k8OITXdcs

>>15133804
You are too young to remember what things were like in that year.

When were you born.

I am guessing 1998?

>>15133801
then why defend a stupid swap?

>>15133812
>spools almost instantly

wew

>>15133819
he flattens it, boost goes about halfway and then he clutch kicks it you fucking downie

>>15133819
Because they make power without lag.

>>15133819
try 49 seconds in

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Compare the cost to build/maintain the ls vs the 2jz. You can heads/cam/longtubes the ls7 to 600+wheel.

Its cheap power anon. I agree I would never ls swap a supra or rx7 but that doesn't change the fact that a twin turbo ls swapped rx7 will make more power, tons more torque, all while being more reliable, cheaper to maintain, cheaper to rebuilt, and it doesn't sound like a vacuum cleaner.

>>15133826
so can any proper turbo setup

>>15133829
ok

not proving anything but whatever

>>15133830
>Compare the cost to build/maintain the ls vs the 2jz. You can heads/cam/longtubes the ls7 to 600+wheel.


so the 2JZ wins with no competition

ok

>>15133701
Try building a G54B I4 in a Starion. Custom intake for MPI? $500. Custom ECU? $500-1000 and more for tuning. Decent turbo manifold for a T3/T4 turbo? $300. A clutch to contain the power? $450 (Considering you don't swap a T56 in) Injectors? About $3-500. Intercooler and piping? $400. Already we're up to $2450 without shipping and with the cheapest options. Probably would be getting about.... 350 RWHP.

Cost of an LS1? I know a guy who will sell me his for a grand. Custom engine mounts? $200. Custom driveshaft? I don't know, $200? Exhaust, $300

$1700 bucks for an easy 350RWHP, assuming I don't cam it and put better heads on it which will boost that number by a good bit. Good thing I like staying true to the roots, until I screw the block somehow or my balance shafts decide they don't like being where they are.

And don't even get me started on swapping in a 2JZ. That's an obscene amount of money.

>>15133315
this post reeks of underage

>>15133834
That's cheap bolt ons anon.....before any boost. What's a na supra put down again?

>>15133834
how does that not prove anything? it is literally showing you turbo lag

>>15133830
you must have an insane sounding vacuum cleaner

>>15133840
like 200hp at the wheels if you're lucky

I'd LS swap my Cordoba if it didn't already have a 360 Mopar in it

Gotta stay true to the roots even if that means I'm only making 260hp

>>15133837
So does this thread

>>15133815
Get fucked cunt.
Sex spec was fucking shit.
Autosalon/Hot4's were fucking terrible magazines.

Why the fuck muzzies and wogs thought it was good is beyond me.

>>15133836
Oh shit I forgot about a decent Garrett ball bearing turbo that makes boost before 4K. $1200.

>>15133647
>turbo lag is almost nonexistent today

yeah guess they use anti lag for no reason I completely trust in some downie from /o/

>>15133836
yeah no

youre omitting plenty of the LS swap to defend the literally shit damn fangirls

a 4G63 would be better

>>15133840
no its not lol

an LS7 alone is 10 grand

then theres another few thousand for that shit

LS are terrible fucking engines and are popular due to meme status

small mods can make 400whp with stock 2JZ turbos lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e693BH7VVF4

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No, just NO!

>>15133862
A junkyard ls1 can make 400+ wheel with bolt ons kiddo.

>>15133862
Go ahead, tell me what else I need to put this LS1 in.

>>15133869
wow what a nice corvette

>>15133874
A junkyard LS1 and transmission is going to be around 3K

so what 5k to make 400whp

lol

its a shit engine that survives on its meme status

>>15133880
hold on while I go buy my 2jz for 2k and a getrag for like fucking 5k+

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>>15133885
for 400whp I could get any old Honda and pull a turbo from a diesel and get it done for like 2k counting supporting mods

LS a shit

>>15133887
leave it to V8fags to project their homosexuality

Anyone who thinks you can swap in a 2JZ for less money than an LS1 is bretty dumb. They're about the same price to swap. Just do what you like and don't worry about what some guy on the internet told you to do because he doesn't like it.

the real question is why do amerilards feel the need to buy a perfectly good automobile with an engine swap.
they could buy a corvette for much less than the price of a supra + LS swap

>>15133891
should I point out a getrag is a gearbox?

>>15133897
>buy a perfectly good automobile with an engine swap
oops I mean RUIN it with an engine swap

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>>15133891
>I could get any old Honda and pull a turbo from a diesel and get it done for like 2k counting supporting mods
0-Grass cut in how many hours?

>>15133897
I don't get it either.

In Australia we do it because they come in ugly as fuck commodores..

However America gets nice cars like corvettes... I'd go for one of those over an LS skyline.. if they werent so damn expensive here.

>>15133903

that fucking 90 degree bend in the intake.

Rip volumetric efficiency.

>>15133853
Everyone under the age of 25 thought it was cool back in 2002 not just muzzies and wogs.

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>>15133919
The LS V8 engine has been used in many things stateside and is the most popular V8 in the country.

You wanna know why it's so popular to swap into sports cars all the time?
Because 9 times out of home, this 6000 lbs bastard is the factory home of said engine.

>>15133686
You can boost a civic R up to 400+ WHP on stock internals quite safely with bolt on turbo's.

>>15133953
No you can't. 300 HP, possible, but not 400+. Don't exaggerate Hondatard.

>>15133948
>Because 9 times out of home
fucking autocorrect
9 times out of 10

>>15133926
>Everyone under the age of 25 thought it was cool back in 2002
>Everyone under the age of 25
>Everyone
Get fucked cunt.
I was 19 in '02, mates and I all thought it was fucking shit.

Kill yourself.

>>15133979
you clearly weren't a fan of The Fast and the Furious them.

>>15133812
Drifters clutch kick to shock the drive train, has nothing to do with turbo lag and they do the same in big na v8 cars
Stop posting any time

>>15133979
Things that are made up.

Post drivers license with the important information covered by coins or sticky tape...

>>15133836
> $1700 bucks for an easy 350RWHP
Go ahead and and do v8 swap for less than 2k
Bus riding dumb fuck

>>15133990
there is a lot of reasons sometimes I put the clutch in and it helps save the car I can't explain why but helps me save it from spinning out, it helps a lot to keep cars on boost, initiate and keep the wheels spinning with or without a turbo

>>15133812
>Clutch kick spools up the turbo

Holy shit dude are you baiting or something

If anything you'd be clutch kicking the N/A motor even more to stop it getting bogged down because it'd be making less power than an equivilent tarbo'd engine.

>>15134003

literally what I just said there's more than one reason to do it
>>15134001

>>15133994
>Bus riding
I own three vehicles, each with their own purpose. Assuming I buy this LS1 T56 combo for 2K, and the swap mounts, I'm still less into the car than I am building my stock engine, which I'm doing just because I want to stay true to the roots. But by this point, I'm about 95% sure you're trolling, so I'm just gonna watch this from now on.

>>15133958
I was literally parked up next to a civic running 40whp on stock internals with nothing but bolt-ons, are you new or something

>>15134006
>He has to clutch kick because of turbo lag
>Oh wait it's not that it's because of the other real reasons

great bait mate, at least you derailed the thread.

>>15134011
did they swap two postie bike motors into it

>>15133985
Saw it, was pretty shit.

>>15133992
Nah fuckya.

>>15134009
You have zero idea what actually goes into a swap
I suggest you just stop posting or put your money where your mouth is and drop an ls into a starion with "$200 custom engine mounts"

>>15134019
Ok you brought me back. Go ahead and tell me what is involved in a swap or keep trolling. There are a number of people in the community willing to make swap mounts for $200 bucks. I'm putting my money where my mouth is by actually throwing my wallet at my shitty G54B because I love it so much.

>>15134014
There's plenty of civics running 300-400HP on stock internals, look up build threads.

400hp is probably past the point of everyday reliability but it's hardly a rare sight, you generally see at least 1 Civic-R doing it at any jap car meet.

>>15134013
literally read >>15133812 maybe I fucked up with my wording or whatever, I suck at explaining things

I did say
>they have to let off and then put power back on again.

>>15134024
I am not interested in hondas I was just pointing out the fact that you said 40whp, not 400

>>15134022
> he seriously thinks he can ls swap a starion for less than 2k including engine and transmission
Top kek

>>15134026
Think through the physics of the situation, in what world would disengaging the clutch to rev ever spool up the turbo faster. Do you even know how a turbo works because clearly you don't

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>>15134030
>He really thinks I am not willing to continue dumping money into this piece of shit 4 cylinder

Thank you for motivating me more, good sir.

>>15134022
not him, but the BIGGEST problem with doing any swap is the computer.
Fortunately, the LS aftermarket has you covered and you can order a plug and play harness
Painless Performance is famous for their LS swap harnesses

>>15134040
I had a feeling someone would say ECM/ECU/PCM. I have no doubt I could rig the stock PCM to work with it, maybe not the speedo though. That would be a piece of work.

>>15134034
watch the video >>15133812 0:24 explains what I mean

>>15134054
The turbo makes zero boost when he clutch kicks because a turbo won't make any boost unless the engine is loaded.

Clutch kicking is nothing to do with turbo lag, the turbo has to respool when he re-engages the clutch

Do you even drive a tarbo? Why do you think brake boosting exists.

>>15134043
That's why the aftermarket wiring harnesses exist. and just about all of them use the engine's original computer.
Ever wonder why no one does a standalone ECU on an LS engine? The original computers are actually tuneable using a program called HPTuners. You'd be amazed by what that program can do using the original ECU. This is why the aftermarket harnesses are a thing and not complete standalone ECU kits for it.

LS SWAPPING A CAR IS LIKE GOING TO A FANCY RESTAURANT AND ORDERING A CHEESEBURGER

>>15134067
>tfw your siblings have done just that

>>15134066
Gotta love that aftermarket support, though. SBC Gen III/IV parts are everywhere here in burgerland.

>>15134061
I mean clutch kicking to keep the car on boost is it that hard to understand?

>>15134061
this
https://youtu.be/WUqVTHV14Lg?t=1m34s

>>15134095
>Clutch kicking is to remove turbo lag
>Oh wait no its to keep it on boost

He downshifts into the corner which would have achieved that quite comfortably.

It's pretty obvious he clutch kicks to initiate a drift, since it produces a quick and repeatable constant drift.

>>15134124
1 min 34 seconds

>>15134067
>go to really fancy/expensive restaurant for prom one year with date and group of friends + their dates
>like $100 a seat, multi-course meal of a bunch of different plates with small portions of shit we've never seen or heard of before
>one of my friend's dates is apparently a really picky eater, 2nd dish in and she's having a hard time chewing and swallowing whatever gourmand bullshit is on our plates
>asks flaming gay waiter man for some ketchup, he looks so offended you'd have thought she called him a degenerate faggot
>he scurries off to the back of the restaurant in a huff
>comes back with bottle of ketchup several minutes later, sets it next to the girl without even looking at her

She proceeded to drown everything else they brought her with ketchup except for the dessert, the look on the faggot waiter's face was priceless as she poured Heinz ketchup all over her 4oz portion of grass fed Wagyu beef steak.

>>15134125
>Clutch kicking is to remove turbo lag
>Oh wait no its to keep it on boost

it does both of those things, if he doesnt do it the car would just bog down so he keeps it on boost by doing it. I've seen plenty of vids where people do it I'm just being a retard and cant find any atm

>>15134139
Clutching in will take the car off boost and force it to spool up again.

Downshifting will also do that but keep the car in the rev range best for boost but most cars especially with modern turbos are on boost at any rev you'll realistically be in on the track or whilst drifting.

People clutch kick to initiate a drift since its predictable or to continue a failing drift

If anything its a more important trick in N/A cars than turbo cars.

>>15134157
Yes, but its used in a bunch of different ways I dunno if you've ever drifted before but it's hard to handbrake then change gears all while keeping it sideways. It's important for a lot of rotary drifters I think. idk it's taken me this many replies to explain what I mean anyway so I'm done here.

>>15133880
>A junkyard LS1 and transmission is going to be around 3K
The fuck? You can get an LS1+T56 here for about $500-2000 from a junkyard depending on the day. We've got so many of the fucking things.

>>15134174
None of the people in the videos you linked had trouble shifting down, these are also all things used to create a drift they are nothing to do with keeping a car on boost.

None of the things you've listed would ever keep a car on boost or reduce lag as

1) The moment you clutch in you would need to respool the turbo

2) Revving up whilst in neutral does not boost you.

This thread is cancer.

LS swaps are cheaper,lighter and have more linear/usable power and torque on the low end.
As much as we love boosted Jap engines you have spend lots of money on bigger turbos, fuel injectors/pump, ECU, forged internals, bolt ons etc to get into the 600hp+ club. (Yes I know/realise the 2JZ on stock internals can lots of power however you want to build for long term) These engines are also Iron blocks meaning they're strong but ultra heavy when compared to modern aluminium blocks. Go look at a dyno chart and you'll see what I mean by peak HP and turbo lag. Even modern turbo technology suffers from this for the bigger turbos which you need if you want the sort of power we're talking about. Remember you're cramming a lot of air into a small capacity 2 or 3L for the power. It comes at a trade off when compared to a N/A making the same power.

>>15134194
>being this retarded

wonder why it works so well in the video >>15134124 at 1 min 34 seconds then

>>15134194

The moron talking about clutch kicking needs to learn about anti lag and the basics of how a turbo works.

Revving in neutral can spool the turbo but not to any amount that matters.

>144 replies and 17 image

>>15134220
buy a turbo car, put a gauge in it and do a clutch kick.

>>15134234
watch the video, realise you're a retard

>>15134228
I'm not even saying that either again, watch vid

Clutch kicking is to initiate a drift since you suddenly send power through the wheels to loose grip. It doesn't matter if the car is N/A or Turbo...facking hell it's not to spool or stop turbo lag.

>>15134246
I have no sound but yes, a clutch kick creates a drift. I can create a spectacular drift in some anemic 100hp shitbox if you dump the clutch at redline it has nothing to do with turbo's.

>>15134220
He's right, it's got nothing to do with turbo pressure. And he's also right in the sense removing the load is detrimental to maintaining "boost".
The clutch kicking method is used to deliver a sudden shock to the drivetrain in a case where the engine would otherwise not be able to overcome traction at a certain wheelspeed.

>click vid
>go to 1:34
>guy rips handbrake in a gear too high
>halfway around corner
>car bogs
>guy clutch kicks 1:37
>guy gets around bogging and keeps car on boost and is able to put some power down whilst the turbo stays pretty much full psi because it has load on

if he lets off power and puts it back on he will get mad turbo lag and his wheels will probably stop spinning

>>15134302
When you take the clutch out the engine is not under load which is why it will rev back up so easily.

This is why a tiny bit of throttle will redline your car in neutral.

>>15133343
I hope you are happy with yourself

>>15134336
thats why I pointed that out after I said guy clutch kicks?

>>15134367
If your engine isn't under load your car won't produce any meaningful boost, boost is not by any means fully tied to engine RPM's

you can be at 6000 RPMS in neutral and not produce any meaningful boost pressure to use, this is why anti-lag systems and other such systems were used in WRC. Although feel free to ring up Subaru, Mitsubishi, Ford etc and tell them their expensive and engine-thrashing antilag systems are worthless and that all they really need to do is clutch in and rev up their engines.

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Best Engine IMO: BMW s65

>>15134383
Yes that is why I said it after the guy clutch kicks as in he is in gear, with the clutch out?

>>15134388
>silly-straw exhaust headers

>>15134391
In terms of engine load there is absoloutely no difference between the gear selector being in gear with the clutch out and being in neutral.

I assume that you are just trolling at this point.

>>15134413
so what you're telling me is when I'm driving up the road redlining my turbo shitbox in second gear I can't possibly be on boost because the car hasn't got load on?

>>15134422
If you put your clutch out then yes, since all the engine is working at is spinning a little flywheel you won't have the load to produce any decent boost.

Maybe if you redlined it for like 5 seconds you'd make some boost but it seems pointless for anything but launching and your engine would self combust in a few hundred miles.

>>15134422
What he's telling you, is watch what happens to your boost when you go from accelerating in second gear to mashing the rev limiter.

>>15134430
>>15134433
okay then since my turbo cant make boost while I'm driving along I guess they are pointless and I will just remove it

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>>15134444
>things that no body said

>>15134444
good. Time for an LS swap.

>>15134444
But when you clutch out you aren't driving along, the entire reason its used in drifting is because the engine now only has to work to spin up a flywheel and its reciprocating mass so it'll redline easily and then shock the drivetrain when you re-engage.

However free revs don't build up boost, engine load builds boost as boost pressure is tied to exhaust pressure and speed which is dependent on load.

If you think that clutch kicking into turns removes all the downsides of a massive turbo, like I said go inform Subaru, Mitsu, Ford, Audi and every WRC driver.

There's a reason that drift cars don't use anti-lag, because they know the course they can just have the car in the right gear at every point and not worry about dropping boost whereas a WRC driver can be a bit more touch and go.

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Nice thread.

>>15134462
are you fucking retarded

>>15134302
>guy clutch kicks
as in puts clutch in, puts accelerator down, releases clutch

now we move to the next step

>guy gets around bogging and keeps car on boost and is able to put some power down whilst the turbo stays pretty much full psi because it has load on

as in he's able to keep driving around the corner because he has enough power after the clutch kick

if he lets his foot off the throttle to control the drift as you have to do while drifting while the car is bogging down he's fucked because now when he puts his foot down again there will be lag and he is probably not able to recover from that

so instead the dude clutch kicks and is able to maintain boost?

This thread is literally /o/ in a nutshell. Bunch of losers who have no idea what the fuck they're talking about arguing about things they will never afford and derailing a seemingly good thread.

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>>15134487
Like I said, contact the world rally teams because you've solved their problems.

Left foot braking would be the real solution to the problem you're inventing, the clutch kick is for continuing a drift only.

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>all these triggered LS cuckholds

nice

>>15134498
how is left foot braking going to solve anything?
>gets halfway around a corner starts bogging
>hurrdurr leftfoot brake
K

why not
>gets halfway around corner bogging
>clutch kick
>continue drifting because no longer bogging

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>>15134487
>no, your in depth explanation contradicts my misguided perception, so you're a retard.
Dude, seriously, everyone here's laughing at you.

>>15133958
you are a dumb nigger, the k20 stock internals can handle up to 500 whp

>>15134506
Because when you left foot brake and keep the accelerator on you actually keep the turbo spooled up.

Clutch kicking spins the drive wheels, it has nothing to do with boost. If the engine isn't working hard to run the drivetrain you won't produce any meaningful boost.

>>15134510
>bullshit ricers actually believe

>>15134513
Drop it. The mental gymnast is just stuck in an infinite loop of fallacy, and you're just following them around in circles.

>>15134519
>dumb nigger refusing to accept facts

>>15134513
Yes clutch kicking has nothing to do with boost that's not what I'm saying...

if he lets his foot off the throttle in that situation and puts it back on there will be lag

so instead he clutch kicks

>>15134519
In their mind, if a particular example can reach that figure momentarily on a singular dyno pull, that's the determining measure of what the "internals can handle".

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>>15134523

>>15134522
prove it with facts and links, not hearsay

>>15134531
stay dumb
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=k20+stock+longblock+build+500+hp

>>15134537
>a particular example can reach that figure momentarily on a singular dyno pull
I rest my case.

>>15134548
>particular example
>several forums with several dyno runs on several k20 blocks

stay dumb and in denial

>>15134552
>only the crankshaft is stock
>"Stock internals guys!"

>>15134554
>only the crankshaft

i see you are still dumb and in denial

>>15134560
let me see that car running at that power for over a month, daily driven
>blew engine within one week

>>15134568
you would be able to know that if you weren't an autistic neckbread who spends all day shitposting o an anime imageboard

>blw the engine within one week

kek, you truly are a dumb nigger, its as easy as lowering the boost pressure for DD and just raise it when you want to drive, literally every modern modified turbo car owner with any number of cylinders does this

stay utterly retarded lel

>>15133686
My 08 Subaru has a td04, it's too small lol.

>>15134487
You drive an automatic, if you rev the engine up and let the clutch out, the engine will slow back down when the clutch engaged. You also don't make boost without a load on the engine.

>>15133581
>I know what i got.

https://sendvid.com/ed7fqu61

>>15135497
>video games

take note /o/

this is who you share the board with

>>15135537
its the exact same as what happens in the vid earlier its just a whole bunch of people have no idea what I'm talking about

>>15135537
It's a virtual simulation.

>>15135497
is anyone going to still tell me I'm wrong or nah? I'm actually curious because this is exactly how I think it works and would like to know if I am actually wrong or not

>>15135663
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdrYiFfVPbQ

>>15135686
god I want a jzx100

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>>15135497
>I know I'm right
>I'm a drifter and I drive tarbo cars
>Posts videogames

Holy shit people weren't lying /o/ really is full of bus riders holy shit.

>>15135779
>>15135663
/o/ is full of cunts and shitposters I'm being a decent person about it and you're probably just another one of them since all I'm doing is asking now how I am wrong.

>>15135794
Because free revving an engine doesn't create boost pressure to any meaningful degree, that's how turbos work.

Go buy a book on tarbo's or antilag systems and see how they work. If your idea was right, you wouldn't need antilag since you could just unclutch and rev up to get free boost.

>>15135807
I would agree with that in like a straight line or whatever, but I think it's different since the wheels are spinning?

>>15135820
But that's wrong, if your clutch is in, your engine isn't under load and you'll have negligible boost

>>15135820
No because the engine isn't connected to the drive train when you disengage the clutch, the wheels spinning is completely irrelevant to the situation.

It's nothing turbo specific and it wouldn't prevent lag it would increase it. That's why clutchkicking works EXACTLY the same in a NATURALLY ASPIRATED car.

You seem to be confusing boost THRESHOLD with boost PRESSURE or LAG. If you are at 2000rpms you won't make boost, you can free rev your engine up to 7000 and dump the clutch and your engine will be more in its powerband and once you reconnect with the drive train your engine will be loaded BUT you will have to REBUILD boost pressure and spool up the turbo.

All kicking the clutch does is stop the engine getting lugged and the wheels from losing their spin.

>>15135829
wouldn't the turbo pressure then rebuild faster?

>>15135851
It'd be the same as launching from redline on a standstill.

Clutch kicking can give you a bit more in a turn with an N/A and a Turbo, if you aren't getting bogged down then you will gain speed and gain boost as a result faster.

However you haven't eliminated lag or spool up time, you've prolonged it. And the best result would have been to be in the correct gear for the corner, it's only purpose is if you want the rear wheels to be spinning, otherwise downshifting would have been much more effective and kinder on your drivetrain.

>>15135860
yes, I wasnt thinking about what would happen if I kept holding my foot down and let it bog, the turbo would still spool up but it wouldnt be putting so much power to the wheels without the clutchkick since it wouldnt be in the powerband

>>15135829
A turbo will build boost with no load.
It just won't have time to build enough before it's bouncing off the limiter.
if you had like a 30k red line it could build it.

>>15135890
I see where you're coming from.

It's not the turbo that's affected though, it's the engine being more in its powerband and the clutch being dumped that helps to pull the car out of a bog and then by proxy more pressure will spin the turbo and you'll get more boost.

>>15135898
yeah that's pretty much my thoughts

>>15133921
Personally, I'm more triggered by the welding all over that thing.

>>15135905
at least he didn't use cut up pipe from a trampoline

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Check me out bros!!

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>>15135929
trampoline

>>15133581
oh god I lol'd so hard at that it looks so stupid.

>>15133830
Thats a lot of work for just 15hp.

>>15135975
Protip, it's a satirical picture.

>>15134074
That's why it's easier to use than another dorito/SR/RB20.

>>15134388
>not the ford i6 barra engine

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>>15133592
>volts
>rpm

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>>15133581
>$35000

>>15134067
I do this everywhere I go. If there is a burger on the menu then you best believe I'm going to order it

>yes I am American

>>15133592
>boost meter that only shows vacuum
why.

>>15134067
But anon it might be a premium special cheeseburger with possibly a pretzel bun

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>>15133581
>someone comes to buy it so he can up it out of its misery
>gives him 200 bucks
>NO LOWBALLERS
>I KNOW WHAT I GOT

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>this used to be an MkIV

>>15140591
It's alright if you want a slow revving torquey truck motor, but if you want something with favourable throttle response, low weight, compact mass and a usable rev range with uses not limited to highway pulls, skids and dunno shoot outs, the Barra is not the greatest at anything.

>>15141323
looks unironically better but still gasf