86/BRZ/FRS THREAD

>guaranteed troll/shitpost thread

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>>15113891
Nah, I just know a lot of people on here own 86s.

Here is my FRS. No trolling intended.

I'm sure there will be plenty of shitposting though.

>>15113886
I don't own a toyobaru, but I don't see anything wrong with getting a used one for under 20k

>>15113886

I really wish they had been a bit bolder with the styling on this car. Looks like a 1999 Hyundai Coupe.

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>>15113930
It's pretty bland stock. Plenty of options though

Why is a roughly 1 ton 2l 200bhp car being BTFO'd in terms of acceleration and torque by 30 years old 1 ton 2l 200bhp cars?

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>>15114024
What 30 year old cars are you referring to?

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I just installed mtec clutch springs yesterday, and I swear to God I never stall anymore. I learned clutch on this frs, and I still stall once I'm a blue moon after 2 months, but these springs are so worth it. I'm still sitting on shifting springs I haven't installed yet.

Pic is my frs. Has a axleback exhaust for the rice, and mtec springs. Next install are shift springs then new wheels. Any suggestions for autox wheels? Looking at rpf1

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>>15114026

I want one real bad but they're so fucking slow. Honestly these cars are worth like 5k on craigslist then you swap the engine.

>>15114056
>Blaming your lack of skill on the clutch

You shouldn't stall on any clutch, period. Fucking underaged.

>>15114078
Idk, almost everyone I spoke to also agreed that the clutch is nonlinear.
I didn't say I was skilled, I just started learning clutch.

Will the 2017 model year have any performance increases?

>>15113886
how to change frs from a drift to grip machine? harder front bushings, speedier damping, gripper tires? plz explain the importance of this to me.

>>15114111
>Just started learning clutch
Stop calling it that faggot, it's stick shift or manual.

>still no factory STI engine option

>>15113886
I'm waiting for it to fall to around £6-£7k. It's at £12k now. Just 3 or so more years and I'll have one.

>>15114149
Sorry senpai

>>15113886
GT86 failing was Toyota wanting to stick to the purity of the machine. If they had put a bigger engine/hp like BMW 335i (even though BMW 335i has worse weight distribution than 325i), people would have looked upto the GT86 and have no problem in buying the purer version. right now, many get discouraged by no power arguments, thou it has enough if you don't track and know how to shift.

I'm a richfag and want to buy a car for the express purpose of modding the fuck out of it. Is the chassis on the twins conducive to heavy modding? Is the chassis even good enough to warrant me sinking 15k+ in to the car? I have heard the stock engine can't handle much power - is that true? If so, can I swap it with something bigger? Or should I not even bother with them? What modern car is a mod beast? Money is no object.

>>15114167
>>still no factory STI engine option
but anon, an 86 with a real engine wouldn't be a shitty car!

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>>15114060
So you're wondering why a turbocharged engine makes more torque than an NA engine with the same displacement???

>>15114078
I've driven manuals for over ten years. The stock clutch feel is probably this car's biggest downside.

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Is the factory aero kit any good?

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>>15114131
Yes, but not enough to justify trading in your car if you already own an 86. The newer car will probably be heavier too.

>>15114142
Tires are an easy start. What do you need more grip for?

>>15114208
The engine is decent, the transmission is the weak point. Anything over 250whp will need a bulkier tranny

>>15114205
Then what about the miata? The ND is as pure as pure and no one's complaining.

>>15114220
and more power* you forgot to add
I'm not wondering, It just seems silly that Toyota can't even compete with a 30yo eurocar. By the way the 1988 E30 320is was N/A and is still faster

How does it feel when you're literally the slowest car on the road?

>>15114521
So...you're wondering why a turbocharged engine makes more torque and power than an NA engine with the same displacement?

Do you want me to explain how turbochargers work anon?

Not to mention emission standards are much more strict today than they were 30 years ago.

How many 2.0L NA engines make 200hp these days?

the hyperblue one looks gorgeous, but i don't think there's anyway i'm paying close to $30k for it.

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>>15114600
WRB>hyperblue

i like these cars but after seeing that cunt tj hunt on youtube i got a wrx instead

My brz clutch was a nigger. I took the assist spring out and I still couldn't get a smooth shift every time, maybe 75% of the time I could.

Prior cars for last 10 years have all been stick from a corolla to a 350z wrx abarth and my current sti. The brz had the worst engagements.

>>15114408
ND is not pure. it sells a lot bcoz its a convertible. chassis rigidity of miata is much lower than gt86

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>>15114711
I feel you. The stock 86 sucks dick, and I love my 86. After a pedal adjustment it's much better though.

>>15114581
>200hp engines
>134whp

>>15114408

ND weighs like 500lbs lighter than the brz... and it seems at this point, it's suicide for any auto journalist to say anything bad about it.

>>15114677
>that cunt tj hunt
His faggot buttbuddy with the blue Mazda is even worse though. What the FUCK is up with todays youth documenting every waking second of their life/lifestyle for everyone to see? LIkewise, why does anyone even want to watch these guys spilling their thoughts into a camera?

Now B is for Build has a nice series about drinking beer while working on a beat up BRZ in the backyard, getting it back on the road. Faith in youtube instantly restored.


As for the car, I have around €16k in the bank for me to access, paychecks adding up to roughly another €4k by the end of summer and a car that should still be worth 5 to 7k. The bulk of Toyobarus around here are still at around €20k, with the occasional deal for 19 or even 18. I hope the price will drop once the new model is out, so I can afford one and still have money left for coilovers, brakes, real tires, stronger sway bars, modifications to make the exhaust sound like more than a lawn mower maybe some TRD parts like the steering wheel or front bumper, insurance and gas. Forced induction will come next year.

Please tell me my dream will come true.

>>15115696
>why does anyone even want to watch these guys spilling their thoughts into a camera?
Pretty much applies to your post, a whole bunch of bullshit opinions nobody wants to deal with reading.

>>15115706
The difference is I won't get a couple hundred thousand views and upvotes and comments for my post.

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>>15115454
More like 170whp bra. Nice goalpost moving though. You just proved you are dumb as fuck.

>>15115464
ND weighs 400lbs less. And it doesn't have a fixed top. And it can only seat 2 people. And it's transmissions explode randomly.>>15115464

>>15115828
>more like 170whp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFezEFRCMoU
>160 for 1k rpg
>140whp mid range

http://www.subarubrzforum.com/36-subaru-brz-dyno-numbers-track-times/2894-dyno-numbers-thread.html

>Matt: Stock, 139whp, 123 wtq,
>Rallysport Direct: Stock, 147whp, 114wtq
>itwillboost Stock, 142whp, 127wtq,


What's it like having something with less hp than a 92 civic.

>>15114167
>implying Subaru will allow something to compete with the WRX and STi
>the 86 will never be factory turboed

>>15113886

I wish they had all come stock with a turbo huge oversight by Toyota. They could have sold tons more if they had bumped the HP up to +300 with this simple addition.

>>15113930
I like the styling. Sporty but not too much in your face.

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>>15115696
>so I can afford one and still have money left for coilovers, brakes, real tires, stronger sway bars, modifications to make the exhaust sound like more than a lawn mower maybe some TRD parts like the steering wheel or front bumper, insurance and gas. Forced induction will come next year.

Honestly, instead of buying that shitbox and spending 10k getting it to where you want it to be, why not just get a better car to begin with?

>>15115990
Like a 335i?

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>>15116000

literally anything with a turbo and rwd is a better buy for someone that wants to play with their car

I'll make the case that both the BRZ/FRS and the Miata are right about their power levels because you can play around with them without getting in trouble or killing yourself. More power would only appease bench racers and the odd guy who does track it while making it more expensive and out of reach of the audience they were aiming for. If you want more power from the factory, get a WRX.

>>15113917
Will there ever be a more based Toyota livery than the Castrol?

HKS BRZ was breddy gud, but Castrol is always better imo.

>>15116013
I'm really terrible at finding sporty cars under 1.5 tons with RWD and a turbo in the same price range. I want a modern and somewhat new car, not a 20 year old car that has already run 150,000 miles.

>>15115990

Some folks really like working on their own cars and upgrading them as they see fit. These cars tend to have cheaper parts too so modding is more cost effective and if you break something it's not too big a deal and you can replace it.

>>15116035
Also, you can buy the car now and buy upgrades as you get more money, as opposed to saving up all the way before getting the car at all.

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Fuck traffic cones.

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>>15116028
>>15116035

here you go

>>15116052
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>>15116048
I... what? You took out your mirror with a traffic cone?

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>>15116060
>not living in burgerland

KEK

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>>15116052
>shilling the fiata this hard
>buying anything made by fiat

pic related

>>15116035
>>15116042
>confirmed for being a tuner sperg
Then you end up having a shitty car with a bunch of money dumped into.

It is always going to be a shitty car with band-aid fixes.

Buy a nicer car and you will be able to get your money back out of the project, and it will be a nicer car overall to own.

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>>15116048
Don't hit the cones then

>>15116079
That's why I'm not getting some old project car, but a newer, already nice car that only needs a couple of performance upgrades. No bodykits, no engine swaps, no rice.

>>15116028
>I want a modern and somewhat new car, not a 20 year old car that has already run 150,000 miles.
You do understand nothing has changed on cars since the 90s except for adding infotainment and 500lbs of safety features?

Just stop being a complete dumbfuck wanting something new and get something good instead. If you want to mod your car, get an old one and restore it. Every part you put on the car is guaranteed to fit and make it better than it was.

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>>15116077
>mazda electronics
>mazda transmission (NC tranny, much stronger than the shit one in the ND)
>built in japan by mazda
>uses abarth multiair motor, not your standard fiat engine

it's daijoubu senpai and the only one true eurobeat car

>>15116094
86/BRZ isn't nice. It is entry level, it is a crappy and cheap as they can get away with. You think it is nice because it is your first 'new' car.

>>15116105

I thought it was pretty nice and basic

>>15116105
>86/BRZ isn't nice
How so? Because it doesn't have Civic Type R levels of boost and power?
>It is entry level
Which is what I'm looking for
>it is a crappy
Care to tell us why?
>and cheap as they can get away with
Perfect, my budget is tight
>it is your first 'new' car.
It's not.

>>15116018
Exactly.

Anyone who wants more power in an 86 can add more power, pretty cheaply.

As a track car, it's great for beginners in the same way a miata is, and it's possible to modify it to grow with your capabilities.

>>15116120

Bro lol, he's the same guy that things fucking his mom is normal. Don't get to into people's "opinions" based off nothing.

>>15116079

Define "nicer car" I can't afford to go out and purchased a BMW M4 and mod it. But maybe a FRS with 10k in upgrades can give me close to the performance I want but at 1/4 the cost. Sure it's not got all sorts of driver assistance packages and an all leather interior but it's what I can afford at the time.

>>15116144
>all sorts of driver assistance packages and an all leather interior
Who'd want that anyway? It's nice to have, but not something I'm looking for in a car.

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>>15116144
>>15116152

A stock ap1 s2000 performs better than an FR-S, you can grab one of those for $15k here.

And for $15k you can have 250whp, 2300lb car (turbo miata).

All this talk about "entry level sports car" doesn't make sense. A true entry level sports car is a used sports car.

>>15116181

Look you either like to mod or you don't. I can't explain it to you. What you're telling me to do is to go out and get a 7 or more year old car with over 100k miles on the engine. When I can get a new car with close to zero miles on the engine and start with a blank slate and make it into what I want.

>>15116181
S2000s are very rare here and almost impossible to find in stock condition. If you can't spend well over 20k, you'll have to settle for fully riced out by 3 previous owners.

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>>15116228

what's kinda hilarious here is that the 7 year old car with over 100k miles on it still feels more solid and well built than a new frs

and before you say anything, yes I've driven them both

>>15116181
>muh used cars compared to new cars argument
not everyone's that autistic

>>15115828
That wasn't even me.

If you would read the post I wrote earlier you would notice two things.

1st that I'm NOT surprised that it does more power and torque, because Toyota and Subaru decided that they want a tiny as fuck engine bay with a weak flatfuck shit and they decided to not turbocharge it.

2nd you absolutely missed the part about 320is, which does basically the same power and has more torque. 30 years of development and all they managed is to catch up and make it more eco-friendly.

Way to go lad, enjoy your buyer's remorse, I'll wait for a 6cyl version refresh or just buy an M2 once the prices start to drop.

>>15116228
>start with a blank slate and make it into what I want
You can't though. The 86 has the potential to be a somewhat quick RWD, but there are far superior starting points out there, like the AP1.

If all you want is the performance a superior starting point offers, start out with that. If you don't see the logic in that I can't understand what is wrong with you? Is it some autistic urge that you have to drive a car that has been 'customized' with bolt on parts?

>>15114348
lewd

>>15116286
This.

It is frankly unforgivable on Toyota's part, and it speaks volumes about the experience and capability of 86 fanboys. The people defending the 86 literally have no idea what they don't know. They had a 97 corolla before hand and they can't comprehend how somebody could apply the labels 'slow' or 'crappy' to the rocketship they just upgraded to.

It is a lack of humility really.

>>15116313
>rocketship
Worst strawman 2016.

I was quite pleased with the FR-S gearbox, I would say up there with the Mustang and S2 gearboxes.

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>>15116294

>1st that I'm NOT surprised that it does more power and torque, because Toyota and Subaru decided that they want a tiny as fuck engine bay with a weak flatfuck shit and they decided to not turbocharge it.

I'm glad you're not surprised that a turbocharged engine makes more power/torque than an NA engine. If you were, I would say you are dumb as Fuck. Even though you initially posted a picture of a ford cosworth as your main argument.


>2nd you absolutely missed the part about 320is, which does basically the same power and has more torque. 30 years of development and all they managed is to catch up and make it more eco-friendly.

About the 320is...way to cherry pick a bmw that was only made in Italy and Portugal. Not to mention the 320is weighs roughly 2600lbs, compared to the BRZ at 2775lbs.

You keep focusing on power, but the truth is, the 86 is the lightest rwd car that you can buy new that has more than 2 seats. Obviously sacrifices have to be made the when you're selling a brand new car for 25k in 2016.

>Way to go lad, enjoy your buyer's remorse, I'll wait for a 6cyl version refresh or just buy an M2 once the prices start to drop

Keep holding your breath on a 6 cylinder 86, it's never going to happen.

Keep moving goalposts, I don't care, it's obvious that you're a goalpost moving tool.

>>15116060
Europe btfo

>>15116657
Actually, the argument btfo.

If this car was ~200-250kW stock id jump on it in a heart beat.

>>15116799
Then it'd be more expensive and heavier and would have to take on cars like a BMW 130i. This car only works because they've kept it basically a barebone with just enough power to be okay but be cheap enough to stay away from the competitors with great power.

If you want a more expensive car with a larger engine or full-blown turbo engine, by all means do. The GT86 never intended to be that car and it never will be out of the factory.

>>15116703
Only for euros, for burgers not at all.

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>>15116936

how do you explain fiat selling a 2300lb rwd turbo car for $25k?

also, i'd gladly pay $35k for a turbo 86

>>15117439
I can't explain your market. In Germany the 124 Abarth will be €40k upward, a turbo Toyota would be around that price as well, given that they're already over 30 with the base trim as it is.

What'd be the better choice at the other end of the world doesn't really help me decide what to buy here.

>>15116799
It can be made so.

The thing comes reasonably cheap for what it is and there's plenty of aftermarket support for it.

>>15117439
The fiat only has 160hp anon...

>>15117839
>32k USD
>cheap for what it is
Yea no. It has as much WHP as an 03 SVT Focus.

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>>15117851
You can easily buy a new 86 for 24k usd. If you spend 32k, you are a huge retard.

Also, I challenge you to find me a dyno of a stock focus svt making 170whp

>>15117843

like stock power figures matters on a turbo engine

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>>15117896
Oh shit waddup!

it's that goalpost boi.

What if I told you not everyone wants a turbocharged engine?

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>>15117931

what?

who buys a sports car with a turbo and doesn't turn up the boost?

it comes with the territory, i'm not moving goalposts you're just a fucking retard

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>>15117894
>he thinks the FRS makes 170whp

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?p=445694

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>>15118003
Ok, find me a stock focus svt that makes that much power.

>>15117974
What is your point? The 86 was basically made to be modified. Obviously a turbo engine will respond to mods better, but it's not like a turbo engine is without shortcomings when compared to NA engines.

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>>15113886
Some dumbass 19 year old kid thought he was hot shit in his FRS and demanded some other kid race him, so they race and the retard in his slow ass FRS loses control (I dont know how you lose control in such a slow car) and kills 5 people, the retard was sentenced to 5 months in jail. Moral of the story is you frs/brz fags are retarded and think you have a fast car when its a slow piece of shit

I work for Toyota, the 86/ frs really isn't that bad. It feels like a Sportscar for the guy that wants to giggle once in a while at the dumb shit it can do, without hurting anyone or breaking the law.

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>>15118213
>without hurting anyone or breaking the law
See
>>15118192

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>>15118163
>What is your point?
>The 86 was basically made to be modified. Obviously a turbo engine will respond to mods better

you just answered your own question

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>>15118163
>high compression engine was made to be boosted
>high compression
>made to boost

>>15118243

Enjoy your abarth. If you want a fast car you shouldn't buy either one. Not everyone wants to spend 30k on a 4 cylinder convertible

>>15118291

who says i'm buying one? i'm merely sharing the (much) lesser of two shitty decisions here

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>>15118269
Lol when did I say it was made to be boosted? It does just fine with the Jackson racing and edlebrock supercharger though, both of which are CARB legal and make 250whp reliably.

>>15118192
>>15118242

>Some kid did something stupid in one, therefore all people who own this car everywhere are stupid

Please put on a trip so I can filter you.

>>15118242
DELETE THIS

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>>15118163
Exhaust cam and a tune.

1/4th the price and more power.

>>15118303
If I could do it still over again, I would still pick the 86. A fixed top coupe is a huge plus for me. Not everyone focuses on having the best lap times. That's my point. The ND is nice, but not 26k nice. I have a feeling the fiat is the same. I would rather have a 6 cylinder camaro.

>>15118310
>250hp off supercharger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v23y6fRilv0

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>>15118335
Wow high powered fwd cars are so much fun!

>>15118330
>If I could do it still over again, I would still pick the 86. A fixed top coupe is a huge plus for me. Not everyone focuses on having the best lap times. That's my point.

That's ironic, considering I'd get the Abarth for the fun of top down driving, the exhaust note and the torque for easy daily drive-ability - not for the fastest lap times.

What's also ironic, is that the convertible ends up being the better performance bargain, weighing in at 2300lbs and supported by a large aftermarket on both the Mazda front for chassis and Abarth on the engines.

It's cool that you enjoy your subaru though.

>>15118355
You can easily control any FWD car sub 300whp.

And if all you like are skids you belong on reddit. Not here.

I wanted one just to turbo 2jz or turbo 1uz it, just for shits and giggles, but it makes more sense the more I think about it.

The rice in this thread could feed nations.

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>>15118330
>(you)

>>15118993
>un-manly for getting fucked by a strp-on

but thats the whole point of getting pegged

wheres the fun if your gf wont make you her bitch

>>15119001
>wheres the fun if your gf wont make you her bitch
Idk maybe some of us are just nice and want to give our woman a break from feeling butthurt over nodick.

>>15119010
>alright babe, for the next 15 minutes, I'll feel the butthurt so you don't have to.

Romantic as fuck.

>>15118242
So you'd rather drive a Maxima than an FRS? Fucking pleb that doesn't appreciate the nuances in driving a car.

>>15119434
>FRS
>nuances

pick one.

you talk about the thing like it is a ferrari.

>>15114178
Me too.

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Lmao at people getting angry about the FRS/BRZ/86.

The car doesn't have power, it has handling and feeling that's above and beyond that which normally comes with the price tag. Let's be real, too. The car was designed for more power, but most drivers on the road can't handle it even in the stock form despite the predictable and fun nature of it.

It's a puritan's car that's designed for pleasantries and fun. It's incredibly modular and very easy to make unique. It's as forgiving and fun as you want it to be, and can do whatever you want it to do if you get hands-on with it and do the light mode to make it so.

It's a great car because it's not trying to be fast or insane. It's a great car because it's modular, fun, and versatile. It's the new 240sx in almost every way and handles better than most cars on the road.

The biggest complaint everyone she is the lack of speed. Oh no you want more power? It's super easy to get anything you want out of it; a supercharger or turbo with stock everything else can run you from $3.5k to $6k with all the reliability and adjustability you could ever want. It's a dream to work on because everything just fits together. The car can handle and perform exactly as you want because it's a blank canvas, not the Mona Lisa.

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>>15119480
>It's a puritan's car that's designed for pleasantries and fun.
m'lady

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Never forgett

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>>15119488
Because using anything over high school language barriers is fedorable, right?

Savage argument by the way.

ameriburgers, I need your help. I'm 6ft2 and 270lb, is ther any warrantied larger seats for the 86? I love it but can't fit right in the fitted seats.

>>15119577
None. Just get XXL Bride or Sparco seats to have fitted.

Though, the seats are very wide from factory. I have a 30 inch waist and get fucking flung around in stock seats despite being a bodybuilder.

>>15119577
Don't worry about the seat, you're exceeding the maximum weight anyway.

>>15114149
kys

I just found out that the 124 Abarth will cost the same in the US as the baseline model in Germany.

What's the best car I can get for $45k? Because that's the equivalent of what the Abarth is gonna cost here.

Entire 86 transmission burned out.

Manufactures fault.

Finally took 3 weeks for Toyota HQ to give the all clear that its under warranty etc fucking useless cunts.

Now I must wait 7 weeks for new tranny from Japan.

They claim its coming by air what bullshit.

Ausfag here if it matters.

Too lazy. What do ring up Toyota HQ threaten with consumer laws I want entire new car or refund unless they get the tranny here in a week or something?

I could take them to court lets face it I'd win but they have too much resources and probably will just fuck with me until I drop the case

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>>15119872
How did your transmission "burn out" exactly?

>>15119872
That sounds bizarre, but I think you need to be patient since they're getting you a factory fresh transmission and not one they have laying around.

They may be dragging their feet, but at least shit is happening and they'll fix it for free.

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>>15119877
>inb4 automatic
I'm waiting...

>>15119872
>>15119907
That being said, they legally have to cover a courtesy/rental car for you. If you haven't approached them over that then you probably should.

Is the 86 like the sportier version of the brz and frs?

>>15114736
Any proof at all for that?

>>15120088
Same car.

>>15114528
Idk, the same as any other car I guess.
It's not like everyone is racing everywhere.

>>15118192
Wow some guy with a gun killed a bunch of people! This obviously proves that gun owners are retarded and we should ban them asap.

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>>15119480
What a load of horseshit. It is not some "Finely tuned machine" Its an overpriced under powered, ugly POS. Oh and the argument that its a great car, not because of anything that makes a car great, but because of "Its a blank canvas." is just fucking stupid. Its garbage and just to bring it up to the competitions level will cost 3.5k-6k is fucking ridiculous. Not to mention that in this thread it has been said that the tranny cant handle anything over 250hp. So, 3.5k-6k just for the supercharger, then supporting mods (Intake, exhaust and so on) then you need to upgrade the tranny. I think it's time you realized you've been had and that you know nothing about what a good car is.

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Just bought some coilovers off the forum. I'm planning to get rear LCAs and go for -2F -1.5R camber. Then get some 17x9 +35 rpf1s.

>>15120261
>-1.5R camber
Don't unless you're using good/race tires with a lot of grip.

>>15120176
86=toyata? I swear the 86 looks different than the other 2.

>>15120346
Toyota 86 and Subaru BRZ are the same car, made by a partnership between Toyota and Subaru.
The FRS is just a rebadged BRZ sold at Scion (youth-oriented Toyota) dealerships.

>>15120222
>bring it up to the competitions level
Compete with what? A pickup truck in terms of hauling capabilities? You're fucking retarded if you think some bought the GT86 expecting a fast car.

>>15120222
Haha holy shit you are so mad. I own one of these and can comfortably tell you how much power they can hold.

Btw the stock trans holds up to 400 hp and the stock clutch can do 330 hp before skipping. Stock internals in the block hold 350 safely while 400 is dangerous.

At least I'm not getting mad over someone's taste in cars. At least I'm the one tracking my car and having fun with it.

But hey, keep throwing out useless conjecture without any supporting data. Forums, breakdowns, and reviews will happily make you look bad.

>>15120529
>stock clutch can do 330 hp before skipping
You surely mean torque, not power.

>>15120543
not him, but he's not far off. alot of people putting supercharger kits on stock clutch getting about 250whp with zero issues

>>15120561
Of course, because the stock clutch can take a lot more torque than what the stock engine is kicking out, but thats not really related to the maximum power of the engine/car. Maximum torque is important for the clutch.

>>15120582
i think a little over 200 lb ft you may start having issues, basically 50-60 over stock. so many factors depending on kit and shit

>>15120582
The problem is that the clutches are fickle. Some take abuse way better than others for whatever reason. I've seen some that can take 500 hp and some that can't even take 250 hp.

400 is where most blow out, but part that is where the trans plays Russian roulette with whatever gears it likes, somehow alternating between 2nd and 4th the most.

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>>15120529
No, I'm not mad at all. To be honest I browsed this thread in hopes of seeing the virtues of this car. But all I'm seeing is a bunch of fanbois who ignore the fact that in essence its a lame duck. I owned an AE86 coupe for years, and completely get the whole nimble driving experience. For the money though, I could buy a R34, Ecostang, turbo Camaro, Miata, AE86, 240sx, FD RX7, Supra RZ, Terminator and so on. All of which are much, much nicer cars, have huge aftermarket support and can be made to handle just as good or much better than the gt86 for relatively cheap. I really don't intend to troll you guys or shit on your parade, but untill these are cheap on the used market, you're getting ripped off.

>>15120642
>R34, Ecostang, turbo Camaro, Miata, AE86, 240sx, FD RX7, Supra RZ, Terminator and so on
all abused shitboxes, why can't some people understand in wanting something new

>>15120642
Oh boy, I'd love to be the 4th owner of some abused 15 year old shitbox.

Thank you for showing me the light.

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>>15120664
The ecostang, Camaro and Miata can be bought new. See this is the kind of dipshit that gets all defensive then posts nonsense. Im out. Enjoy your overpriced economy cars bois.

>>15120708
The camaro and mustang are more expensive and don't handle well as the 86. Miata performs slightly better but you have the drawbacks of having a roadster.


Its a good looking car too. You have shit taste if you thinks its ugly compared to the shit other car companies are pushing out

>>15120701
20K FDs have not been abused. Most are under 5k miles a year and are best of breed examples.

>>15120708
If i want a cheap new sport coupe looking car with great handling my options are very limited.

The performance can be fixed with a supercharger.

>>15120779
>If i want a cheap new sport coupe looking car with great handling
Hurr durr just get a brostand, it's a nicer car and you won't feel the extra thousand pounds, hurr durr.

>>15120701
People who buy cheap cars new are just retarded. But hey, if you want to enjoy Schlomo's dick up your ass, I guess that's your prerogative.

>>15121213
>It is impossible to buy a 3 year old car at 20,000 miles that had only 1 previous owner who you can tell didn't abuse it more than you would have.
>It either has to be a literal rebuild project or a factory new rip off

>>15121241
When the fuck did I say that?

>>15121425
At the exact moment you implied that the alternative to buying a 15 year old car is buying a new one.

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>>15113886
Has anyone ever actually fit four people in one of those?

>In b4 clown owners

>>15115879
>not appealing to more people and selling more cars by offering a turbo rwd and awd

are you fucking retarded?

>>15120779
enjoy spending 5 grand on a supercharger on top of the price of all the parts that will break once you have more power

>>15120708
>ecostang
Sorry, I don't buy American.

>camaro
See above

>miat
I know I'll never open the roof anyways so that's a waste. Also the brz seats fold down leaving a massive space to fit shit in.

Who cares this much about what car random people on the internet buy anyway? You're pretty funny

>>15121618
I had two tall people sit on the passenger side of mine. I have had 3 max so far

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>test drove FR-S today
>loved it
>wish I could own one
Fuck you, back. One day I'll own this god masheen, but today is not that day.

>>15122882
>I have never driven a good car, the post

>>15122882
What's holding you back?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-gBbFxK5qQ

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>>15113886
>got made fun of some FRSfag irl for driving a fwd FiST
not all you guys are like this, r-right?

>>15123359
>got made fun of by some Golf diesel driver irl for not having any torque
I know your feel from the opposite end.

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>>15113886

I found average 86 owners the other day.

I found a GT86 within my budget with the exact trim I'm looking for, down to every single part except the color, but oh well. The dealership says the engine runs but not perfectly and is making a rattling noise. It's the 2014 model and has run 20,000km, they're asking €15k, while almost all older GT86s/BRZs with more mileage are around €19k at least.

Now, what DOESN'T make a rattling sound in this car? Which GT86/BRZ/FR-S has never been in limp-mode for some bullshit reason? What are the chances that the problem will take more than the difference €4k to fix?

It's advertised as a "salvage" car, despite not having been in an accident, and doesn't seem to have any damages other than the engine problems. It can't be found easily on the go-to websites if you're looking for a car and I'd figure even if someone found it, they'd stay away from it.

Should I make the 6 hour trip and check it out? I guess I could push the price even lower. I'll definitely call tomorrow and ask for the history of the car and more details.


tl;dr: Found a ridiculously cheap GT86 with a rattling engine, does anyone have experience with likely causes?

>>15123646
>buy $25k car
>finance 72 months, making $380 monthly payments
>puts $2-5k on credit card for cosmetic mods on shitbox
>sell on craigslist after 5 months of ownership after losing job at mcdonalds
>parents need to bail them out of crushing debt to save their shitard sons credit

Craigslist is flooded with these cars... almost thought that grey one was one being sold near me kek

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/cto/5586407020.html

>>15120125
they r plentiful..please drive them. i also saw in couple of reviews..What did you think anyway? light weight convertible with the rigidity of a couple? Magic does not work in real life..

>>15120222
anon thinks "blank canvas" is a canvas....Nah. it is a well built machine which provides the basis for everything you want it to be...

>>15120369
suspension is different...toyota gt86/frs is meant to oversteer..BRZ is tuned to understeer initially..google it.

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>>15123736
>Magic does not work in real life..

Yea, good thing we have this thing called "engineering" and good thing it works in real life.

You fucking retard.

>>15123754
Would it be far off to call the GT86 the Windows 7 of cars when almost every modern car is a Mac?

It's not the best thing ever, but it's affordable and works well out of the box while leaving room modify to your liking and work on it.

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>>15123646

From the other side.

>>15123727

My roommate's wizard buddy saw a lot of them at the anime con in Chicago over the weekend. One was itasha'd on the hood.

>>15123769
so says the high school drop out...magic is made by engineering..Right lol

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>>15123777
What's worse, the rocketbunny kit or this?

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>>15123780
>i don't understand how it could be possible
>therefore it's magic!

KEK

I don't think the miata is the best car ever, but you're a next level tard if you think it has floppy chassis like some 1990 convertible eclipse.

>>15123815
>floppy chassis
Not him, but logic and common sense tells you that a coupe will always be more rigid than a convertible. The Miata might be sufficiently rigid, but will ultimately be less rigid than the GT86. Toyota has engineered the roof humps to make it more rigid and they're selling little metal pieces for the door locking mechanism to make the doors more rigid while closed.

THAT'S engineering magic, the duke's had to weld the doors of the General Lee shut to make it rigid.

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>>15123805

That's easy. Love Live is objectively shit.

>>15123856
>objectively shit
So is the riveted on wide bodykit.

>>15123870
Hey now, widebody isn't something everyone likes or dislikes.

Let it be.

>>15123852
>they're selling little metal pieces for the door locking mechanism to make the doors more rigid while closed.

lol, the miata guys have already been doing this for awhile now: https://www.flyinmiata.com/delrin-door-bushings.html

>"engineering magic"

>>15123663
You can buy a whole new engine for like $2k

>>15123856
Where can I buy this sticker

>>15123940
Google says €7k to 8k for the engine itself.

>>15123959
Disregard this, I found a couple better prices literally one link later, including a shop selling entire engines with upgraded internals for €5k

>>15123276
I drive my dad's E400 on a daily basis.

>>15123302
Medical issues. Ride is way too harsh, and I'd end up bleeding from my bum all over the seats. I could only handle a 20 minute test drive.

>>15123939
i work as an engineer in an automotive company...a coupe will always be more rigid than a convertible for the same model. Even if you add a bunch of weight (check any manufacturers chassis rigidity numbers) . If you think a car marketed as lightweight will be as rigid as an FRS, you probably should take a few engineering classes.

>>15124120

When did anyone ever say a miata is more rigid than a fr-s?

How about you go back to grade school for a lesson in reading comprehension?

>>15124144
This guy >>15120125 was asking for proof that the GT86 is more rigid than the Miata.

Reading comprehension...

>>15120125
>>15124120
every1 except miata fanboys knows how much more rigid gt86 is ..
https://youtu.be/_d_qFong5cA?t=2m1s
*
this is how the sheet metal cross section on a gt86 looks like..
http://www.ft86club com/forums/showthread.php?p=1111174

>>15124186
watch from 2.02

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>>15124186
God damn, how does this weigh under 1300kg?

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>>15124182

Original post:
>chassis rigidity of miata is much lower than gt86

He was asking for proof that it was
>much lower

Yea, reading comprehension. Go fuck yourself.

My point was that the MX-5 chassis isn't nearly as weak as these people make it out to be.

Sure, the transmission is made of glass. Chassis is fine.

>>15124253
Jesus Christ you're a retard. I show you the post the sparked the discussion in a polite manner and you tell me to go fuck myself? After realizing that your complaint was invalid you come up with "uh, actually my point was" and blame some arbitrary "people" for making claims I can't even remember reading in this thread.

>>15115454
I swear the trolls keep on spouting lower and lower whp numbers with each passing day.

>>15123951

Weapons Grade Waifus

>200hp
>4 cylinder
>'sports car'

lol

>>15124369
A sports car (sportscar) is a small, usually two seater, two door automobile designed for spirited performance and nimble handling. According to the Merriam-Webster dictionary, the first known use of the term was in 1928.

Sports cars may be spartan or luxurious, but high maneuverability and minimum weight are requisite. They may be equipped for racing, "especially an aerodynamically shaped one-passenger or two-passenger vehicle having a low center of gravity and steering and suspension designed for precise control at high speeds."

>>15115454
Yeah, go roll your shitty stanced Civic on to a Dyno an be surprised when it makes 80whp

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>>15124349
>doesn't know how to follow a reply chain
>make some retarded comment
>complain when he gets called out for it

you deserve it

>>15124400
'spirited performance'

'200hp 150ft/lb torque'

>>15124469
A car may be a sporting automobile without being a sports car. Performance modifications of regular, production cars, such as sport compacts, sports sedans, muscle cars, hot hatches and the like, generally are not considered sports cars, yet share traits common to sports cars

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>>15124361

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>>15124508

jesus look at that torque dip! and just where people need power for daily driving!

>>15124482
>sporting automobile without being a sports car

So you admit that it's not a sports car?

>>15124547
The GT86 fits every single line of the definition. Your Civic Type R is merely a "sporting automobile", not a sports car.

>>15124569
I don't have a Civic type R


The GT86 isn't a sports car, it's a coupe.

>>15124574
Which criteria does it not meet? If you're gonna tell me the engine isn't powerful enough to make it a sports car, please close the tab to avoid embarrassing yourself.

>>15124587
The engine isn't powerful enough.

>>15124625
So, a Lotus isn't a sports car either?

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>>15124646
A lotus exige/elise meets the criteria of 'spirited performance' and 'nimble handling', whereas the GT86 does not.

>>15124691
Who are you to judge what's 'spirited' and 'nimble' and what's not?

I wanted an amazing DD and a fun car.

Went and bought an frs.

My buddy is a "car guy" has an older man, mx3s, buncha trucks.

He's all like "u should have gotten an older car and modded it".

No. Fuck you. And fuck your shit boxes. I wanted a nice new car. I got a nice new car. U wonna be fixing ur shit every few weeks? U want it to be loud as fuck? Go ahead ricer boys. I can afford a great car to drive year round.

Does it need more power? Not on stock tires it doesn't.
Does it need more power if tires and suspension changed? Yeeeeeees. Get a turbo and enjoy ur frs. Damn son.

>>15125163
Older miata. My phone auto corrects from that shit.

I CANT EXTEND MY FUCKIGN FEET IN THAT SHITBOX. HOW DO I RECLINE MY SEATS? OH YOU HAVE A STORAGE BOX BETWEEN THE SEATS????

Ugh.

>>15125163
poor bait imo

>U want it to be loud as fuck? Go ahead ricer boys. I can afford a great car to drive year round.

this gives it away blatantly.

try tweaking it around a bit and perhaps removing that line entirely.

>>15125189
Not baiting at all. *Shrugs* just something that really pisses me off.

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OP here. Glad to see my thread got reduced to a couple of retards arguing about the definition of a sports car.

>>15125501
>Glad to see my thread got reduced to a couple of retards arguing about the definition of a sports car.
Me too. I would fucking love it if you posers could stop crowing about your shitbox weeb car.

>>15124691
That Exige is way faster than a base model Elise.