Seriously guys, what the fuck happend to the muscle cars back

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>>15100908
IMO Pontiac were the only ones not fucking it up in the 80s/90s. Too bad the brand is dead and buried, would love to see a new Firebird based on the same platform as the Camaro.

>>15100908

Japanese cars flooded the market and they tried to counter that by neutering their muscle cars and make them look like the rice boxes.

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But there's nothing wrong with fox bodies. That Dodge Challenger was a mitsubishi car rebadged. Chrysler had no money to develop anything.

>>15101017
>There's nothing wrong with fox bodies
Correct

>>15100930
>Weak engine is still a heavy ass V8
>Strong engine is automatic only
>Not fucking it up
Incorrect

>>15101017
>>15101174
>nothing wrong with fox bodies

Except the V8 engine made 205 hp at the crank on 89 octane. For comparison, a grocery getter 1993 Camry (last year of the foxes) made 185 running 87.

Don't get me wrong, as I fucking love foxes but between the shitty hp numbers and the glass T5 transmission, and fuckwit 4 lug wheels, there was plenty to hate about a mustang back then.

>>15101800
>4 lug wheels
why is it only americans care about number of wheel lugs?

>>15101811
How many 4 lug wheels are available vs 5 lug wheels? If you didn't like the stock pony wheels, you were really limited in what to replace them with.

>>15101174
>Strong engine is automatic only
That was the third gen F-bodies. OP included a fourth gen in the OP (for some reason, given that it's a full generation later than the other two cars), which had the LT1/LS1 mated to a T56 6-speed if you wanted from the factory.

>>15101800
>1993 Camry (last year of the foxes)
2004 was the last year of the fox body cars.
The 1994+ SN95 cars were still on the Fox body platform. Everything mechanical is either interchangeable or an upgrade for the 79-93 cars

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>>15100908
Ford brought back the Mustang spirit in 2005.

Dodge brought back a proper muscle car look in 2008.

Chevrolet was the one to finally put the "Muscle" back in "Muscle Car" in 2010.

>>15101916
Did not know. Thanks!

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>>15101837
http://www.americanmuscle.com/87-93-mustang-wheels-rims.html

Wow.

>>15101936
Well, the Fox body Mustang was supposed to die in 1988 and be replaced by a FWD Mustang. When Ford announced this around 1985/1986, there was a letter writing campaign against it. Ford was INUNDATED with well over a hundred thousand letters within weeks telling them how retarded an idea this was.
The problem then was money. Ford had spent a LOT of money on the 1986 Taurus and the FWD Mustang project and were on the verge of bankruptcy. The Taurus sales saved Ford, and the FWD Mustang was released, as planned, in 1988 as the Ford Probe.

From 1988, Ford then went to make a new RWD Mustang, but being so low on cash, they had to rely on the fox body platform again.

The 2005-2014 Mustang uses a modified variant of the Lincoln LS and 2000's Ford Thunderbird chassis.

2015+ is an all new chassis.

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Are we having a muscle car revival? If so, how long will muh V8 last for?

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Should I go for it, fellow muscle car enthusiasts?

>>15101811
Yuropoors don't care about the number of lugs because nothing they can afford has enough torque for it to matter.

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>>15101932
Sorry but Ford did that two years prior and much, much better.

>>15102021
>4.6
>Muscle

>>15102011
>there are americans who unironically think they need more lug nuts to handle more torque

>>15101174
>>Weak engine is still a heavy ass V8
>>Strong engine is automatic only
>>Not fucking it up

Butthurt Ford fanboy detected.

LS1 kicked the shit out of any NA Ford V8 til the new 5.0

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>>15102021
>315 HP V8
>Muscle

Meanwhile, back at Chevrolet in 2010...
>426 HP V8

I still think the 240SX is the hottest car around

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>>15101174
>Weak engine is still a heavy ass V8
>Strong engine is automatic only

Shitposting has reached maximum levels

>>15102059
By then Ford had the GT500. You can't win this, buddy.

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>>15102021
that things a piece of shit


on a side note the only american car i would ever buy...

>>15102082
For the price of a GT500, you could have a faster Camaro. The point of a muscle car is cheap speed. The GT500 was not cheap.

>>15101943
>posts picture of mustang with 5 lug conversion

Eurocucks and Ricecucks started designing cars more, and they only want econoboxes for their shitass tiny as fuck roads

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>>15102108

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>>15101868
>>15102058
Yeah LS1s really are great from the factory. Too bad there's no room to bolt anything onto them

>>15102113
you seem upset

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>>15102122

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>>15102141

straight pipe LT1 makes my dick hard

>>15101993
Fuck no. Mexican owned it you don't know what they fucked up.

>thread turned int /pol/ garbage

how disgusting

remember to report the crossboarders

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>>15102059
>315hp

try again cuck

>>15102378
>needing a blower to not even make 400 HP

>>15102378
This. And good suspension

>>15102388
>needing a...

oh wait, camaro and challenger did not exist in that era

the termi was faster than the corvette aswell kek

>>15101978
I thought that was the late 70s when the Mustang 2 was flopping hard

>>15101800
but thats wrong you faggot.
the mustang made 225 hp in 1989
dont forget the low end tourqe numbers that the camry was no where near.
you dont love foxes, you dont even know the numbers

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>>15102497
>225 HP in 1989
So frightening. Especially when it was slower than a 4 door family sedan from the same company making the same power from a 3.0L V6.

>>15102521
>low end torque
its like youre retarded.
you had to really step on the taraus (cause it was automatic only) to get the use out of the engine (which had a limiter on it cause they didnt think the car could handle the power)
try again fag

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>>15102542
>(cause it was automatic only)
False.
The SHO was manual only until 1991 when the automatic became an OPTION. Automatic wasn't standard equipment on the SHO until the 1996 V8 model.

Try again.

>>15102521
The Dodge Spirit R/T was the fastest sedan In the world at one point. But notice something? Nobody cares. Fwd cars get obsolete quick, have more problems, and less mods available.

>Ignoring the LS1 and LT1 engines
Ford fag detected

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>>15102571
stay butthurt your favorite secretary car is slower than a family sedan
>b-but muh RWD
lol cuck

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>>15102568
The engine was designed by Yamaha, the only thing Ford did was sign a paper stating "you build an engine"

>>15102577
But I own a car and do sick skids while you gather pictures of fwd cars on the internet.

>>15102603
>But I own a car and do sick skids
No you don't. You're here shitposting.

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>>15102497
Perhaps you should do your homework before you start showing what a retard you are

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>>15103106
>slower than a maxima

>>15103126
Exactly. I see you agree as well

5.Slow was a well deserved nickname

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>>15103238
>5.slow

my sides

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Thread about America muscles
Nobody mentions the viper

>>15103632
Thats because its trancended muscle and become domestic terrorism'

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>>15103632
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>>15103655
Kek

>>15103632
That's less of a muscle car and more of an American kit car with a Lambo tuned truck motor

>>15103669
Stealing from others and making everything more dange-better is the most American thing ever

>>15102396
A base model sure nothing else

>>15102568
LOL only part of my post you sigled out cause you know the rest was true.
try agian

>>15104852
The only limiter on the Taurus SHO was the RPM limiter. The V6 was capable of revving to 10k, but Ford wasn't so sure about all the accessories like the alternator or A/C compressor being able to take that kind of RPM.
It wasn't because the chassis could handle the power

I just singled out the automatic thing because it's the single largest error you made.

Enjoy being slower than a fucking Ford Taurus.
>b-but muh V8 and RWD
still slower

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hi guys

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>>15104925

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>>15102602

>>15104852
This retarded faggot again. Own up to the FACT that era mustang was slow.

Then fuck off. Asshole.

>>15103291
Someone's new

>>15103669
The modern Viper engine has maybe two bolts in common with the original V8-turned-V10 truck-Viper engine.

>>15105139
LOL
someone is mad about a mustang
I dont care if the mustang is the slowest car in the world.
all I know is, you are a gigantic butthurt faggot

>>15104877
>grasping at straws
doesnt matter why it was limited, it was limited when applied to the taraus.

thats the thing faggot, the mustang ISNT slower than the sho. not in 0-60 or quarter mile.
the sho cant beat the fox of the 80s
http://www.zeroto60times.com/vehicle-make/ford-0-60-mph-times/a-z/

please try harder next time

>>15103106
bad info with no source faggot. next youre gonna try wikipedia.
http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forums/1388616-post.html

>>15103106
http://www.mustangspecs.com/years/93.shtml
besides, my original statement was about the 89.

>>15105928
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUrfIW4zQmM

>>15105139
It was actually fast for its time.

>>15100908
Styling changed. Belive it or not a car doesn't have to look the same for decades.

>>15101800
They were intentionally gimped, it's not like it was the limit of the motor.
>glass t5
>87 octane
>4 lugs are bad because reasons
Oh, you actually know nothing about the car

>>15108477
Disregard the octane bit I'm apparently blind

>>15102108
Open the link m8

>>15103106
>'93 is the lowest rated of the Aero Nose fox
>due to switching pistons from cast to hyperutectic(sp?) bullshit

I had a '87 LX 5.0 that made 220whp 280wtq with a few simple mods.

>>15104925
I feel like I'm the only one who likes this gen of Chargers

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>>15110911
You're not alone. I like them too, even if it is just a Dodge Omni coupe.

>>15103632
because it was trying to be a sports car/supercar, not a musclecar.

the definition of musclecar is "affordable"

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>>15111229
Fucking Alphonse. I hope he somehow gets perma-banned.

>>15111229

>32% nastier

>32% less crappier

>>15101986
its not a revival until every company is shitting out cheap muscle cars and it becomes a thing in public consciousness again. right now they are just slightly cheaper luxury items for the guy who can afford the extra 10 or so k for the V8 version. everyone else has a v6 or the i4 if theyre a woman

>>15100930
>tfw 2017 Chevy Firebird

I'd buy one

>>15112529
>>15111229
Should I buy this you guys?

http://tampa.craigslist.org/hdo/cto/5585160399.html

>>15102133
>Too bad there's no room to bolt anything onto them
you only need a cam and CNC heads to make 500Horsepower N/A
no need for boost

>>15101174
>Weak engine is still a heavy ass V8
??
is this bait or is he that dumb?

>>15100908
the same shit happened to 4x4s.
look at the fucking bronco 2, or the god awful 90s blazer.
hell, dodge didn't even have a dedicated 4x4 by then, they just said fuck it.
the 90s were a dark, dark time for cars.

>>15117562
>The 305 is a good engine

>>15101916
So my terminator is a foxbody...
>the things you hear on /o/

>>15102037
600whp on my stock block just isn't enough to be muscle

>>15102058
Owned both a 2v gt and ls1, the fbody platform is overrated as fuck. they were dead equal in a drag race

>>15102378
yupp, that car makes about 390 at the wheel, bone stock. intake and exhaust and take it closer to 440whp, without even pulleying it.

>>15102388
Yea, i need one...needed it to make more than any production v8 ever made, including your failcat.

>>15102577
Calling others a cuck, while bragging about FWD? Not much else to be said here.

>>15102623
LOL, you must really have a FWD. You can't even handle that others can drive their rwd cars to the limit, meanwhile your honda can't go past 70.

>>15103632
Kills me that they went back up in price, oh well..maybe I can have a kit car version when I'm an old fat man

>>15105139
And what do you drive? Anything thats faster? Not everything you read in a magazine about times, or HP ratings, are accurate.

>>15108477
Heh, exactly. t5 and the later t45 are fine transmissions.

Shew, I need to just stick to forums with people that actually own cars, and can work on them.