Engine swaps

should do it for the performance weight economy and sound tbqh

>>15083279
Swap a Barra into it instead

>>15083279
A 302 will cost less, be faster, and more reliable. But the 2.0l will get better mileage if you drive like grandma.

>>15083279
You should swap it for a kubota diesel

>can't into ecomod.

>>15083330
Pretty sure it's cost more than 12k to get it shipped to WI and install it
>>15083339
I don't want to v8 swap it cuz everyone v8 swaps these things.
>inb4 I wanna be special

>>15083340
From what I can tell I don't think that's a good idea. I want a decent 0-60 and I think a tuned 2.0 turbo will do it. But I don't know if there is something better out there. I want a good power / weight

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>I'm thinking about swapping a 2.0l turbo out of a focus ST into my first gen mustang
No you aren't.

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>>15083279

>not swapping in a big block

>>15083359
>cuz everyone
Then why choose a Mustang? They are as common as dirt.

>>15083279
>>15083381
>not ls swapping it

>>15083409
Lol I'm not gay enough for that
>>15083385
>cheap
>old
>iconic car
Need something to make a track toy

Maybe I'll rice it out and make it a drift car. I wanna rustle some jimmies with this thing.

>>15083424
>gay enough

>>15083443
LS swaps are pretty faggy

>>15083456
Then you must be a fag, because deep down you know it's your greatest desire.

>>15083471
the only LS worth swapping is a B18B into a Honda

GM LS is for talentless "me too" hacks who only care about numbers and not cars

>>15083456
They are like the Miata of engine swaps.
Pretty gay

>>15083424
>track toy
>1965 Mustang
>cheap
Good luck faggot

>inb4 you post a pic of a GT350

>>15083279
First, the ST has a 2.3L turbo
Second, no you're not and I'm surprised you didn't start the thread saying you want to RB swap your mustang you faggot

>>15083506
I could RB swap it. But I want it to be light. And get more butt hurt faggot

>>15083506
Where are you from that the ST has a 2.3?

>>15083535
He from europoor

>>15083477
>Best V8 per dollar ever made

POS honda motor

Either use a k20 or just dd that granny shit.

>>15083545
But not even the euros had a 2.3l ST
It's only in the RS

>>15083330
>bara
n...no homo

>>15083552
the LS is overpriced and overrated

just like the K20

:^)

>>15083559
LS and over priced in the same sentence

>must be downs, newfag and or trowl?

>>15083279
I doubt you have the money or expertise to do it. You'd need a whole donor car. Wiring, engine, trans, ecu, etc.

>>15083568
a Windsor is better for the money
so is a SBC
so is a BBC

I get that you only know meme engines but come on

>>15083573
An LS is a SBC you retard

>>15083580
youre really grasping now

or youre really stupid

no one refers to an LS as a SBC its common knowledge that SBC refers to gen 1

fucking kids I swear

>>15083572
I have it in a shop right now getting some framework done. I won't be doing the swap, so I just want to know what to put in. Money isn't really an issue. I have a ceiling of 20k
>inb4 get a normal car with the 20k

>>15083624
>framework
It's a unit-body car, retard.

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Ignoring the obvious (that this thread is bullshit)
Why are you swapping a FWD motor and not 2.3 ecoboost and transmission?

>>15083624
>Money isn't really an issue.
>>15083424
>cheap

Which one is it

>>15083646
Okay fine god it's getting the floor redone. Fuck off

>>15083723
I e had it for three years. Got it originally because it was cheap with the plan of swapping it.

If I Windsor swap it would it be better to try and find a 302 out of some POS in a yard somewhere or buy a crate?

>>15083796
If money truly isn't an issue, then buy a crate.

>>15083796
depends on whether or not you want to build the engine yourself or not, or have the shop bill you for building the engine. you can buy used built motors though.

>>15083796
Also I live in WI so everything up here is rusty af

>>15083820
Could I get decent power / price ratio if I bought a used one and had it refurbished? I know it'd give me more power to have a crate.

>>15083816
If I buy a crate would it be better to get a normal 302 or would it be better to get like a 347 stroker

>>15083834
You get the added benefit of learning about your engine if you do it yourself and it will be cheaper than having a shop do it

>>15083855
he's not going to do that.

>>15083834
>>15083841
depends on how much power you realistically want. you can spend as much as you want and make as much power as you want, but it all depends on how much you are budgeting for an engine.

>>15083841
Get as many cubic inches as you can afford.

>>15083874
He knows I'm not going to do that lel

>>15083879
>>15083874
Well the more ci you get does it start getting unreliable? I don't wanna be throwin cash down this things throat 24/7

>>15083914
how many hp do you want? how much do you want to spend all in on the engine?

>>15083855
I would do that but unfortunately I lack the equipment and the shops around here don't let you work on your own shit in their garages because of safety shit. i know how engines work and if I get a crate then would I not know that everything is new in it?

>>15083919
Well I was looking at dropping 9k for a turbo4 after all was said and done but the only reason is go to a v8 is to save money now to upgrade it later. So probably ~7k

>>15083935
yeah you could get a nice crate engine for that much. decent hp, good strong stock base if you want to turn up the wick and it's bee reliable.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/hpe-hp11c

>>15083330
THIS

dont be a fag OP, do it

>>15083841
if you are getting a crate get a 351, not a 302, the price difference is minimal and you can stroke it up to 427 inches

>>15083359
Wait, if you have a i6, then build that. They can be made relatively powerful.

>>15083914
Larger engines are more reliable than smaller engines with the same horsepower.

>>15083979
>crate get a 351, not a 302
The 351 is physically larger and he may run into fitment issues.

>>15083979
I don't really want something that big. The 302 would fit nicely into 66 stang but 351's and larger start making you cut out shock towers and getting k members and all that garbage. Although I might do that anyway cuz coilovers

>>15083987
The aftermarket for the 200 i6 is less than a third of that of the 302. Also it's the original engine and has 78k in 50 years. I don't want to rebuild it in fear of the rust involved. Plus
>muh v8

Use a GT-R engine like in Tokyo Drift.

Become the Drift King.

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Drop in a dorito spinner, preferably one with three rotors. Guaranteed to annoy at least someone

>not a single picture of OPs Mustang

Yeah I believe you.

>>15084118
I'm working right now. Don't have any pics on my phone.
Also why wouldn't you? 1st gen stands are common.

>>15083279
>won't swap barra, too expensive
>pricing up a crate 427W

>>15084131
>work

Middle school isn't a job, kid.

>>15084051
Probably just a 2 piece set of headers to clear steering rack. 351w isn't too much larger

>>15084051
the 351 is just a 302 with a taller deck height, the 302 is not a itght fit to begin with

>>15084055
you dont need to cut shock towers or get new k members, the 351 has the same bolt pattern and engine mount

>>15083961
>>15084135
because an australian market-only engine with 0 aftermarket in the US is totally going to be a cost efficient thing to put in your mustang with no local knowledge anywhere here. the price to ship the engine is enough to build your own 350hp+ 302 in your garage.

>>15083279
>track toy
>first gen mustang
R u avin a giggle m8

>>15084177
fuck off cuck

>>15084055
All you need is a specific set of headers and maybe an oil pan depending on the style to fit a 351w into a 1966 mustang. There might be good clearance issues depending on the intake and carb spacer.

If you want to change the front end put a mustang ii front end in it and delete the shock towers. You'll be able to fit damn near anything in it.

>>15084188
Since day one m80

>>15083580
No no no. A SBC is a Gen 1 small block. The LS is the Gen 2 and usually features extensive use of aluminum as opposed to most Gen 1s being cast iron. Same as I wouldn't call a modern 5.7 Chrysler hemi a SBM because that's a 273-360 to me and most others.

>>15084192
I mean you can totally argue to make me do something that I'm not gonna do anyway. Have fun wasting both of our time.

>>15084192
>get told by a logical response
>only option left is to resort to calling people a cuck.

>>15084201
ls is gen 3

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>>15084177
just pointing out some inconsistencies in OP's story

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>>15084140
I mean having a full time job and posting on 4chan isn't possible right?

>>15084226
op just wants a cool and quick mustang, I don't think he necessarily knows the intricacies of cars. and that's fine.

also if you want to be a special snowflake just swap a dfv for ultimate internet points.

>>15084226
I'm doing anything over 351. A crate 427 would be retarded for me to get.

>>15084251
Well then why don't you just get a mustang ii with a 4 cylinder or is that just too much power for you still

>>15084248
He understands. The car world isn't necessarily super accessible to a 19yo. Most people are like "you don't know wtf you are doing" and shit like that. Makes it hard to learn.
>19
>had 1st gen mustang for three years
>have a full time job
>still living with parents
Can you dig it

>>15084251
351 is one of your best bets. that's what I am swapping into my truck at some point.

>>15084290
Already have the 66.

>>15084300
I can dig it
>20
>don't know where I am going to be living in a month
>need a new job
>my truck is in cali but I am trying to get it out here asap and 351 swap because piggufattu lowpo 300

>>15084307
427 stroker is the same size as the 351 btw. Uses all the same parts just a different crank and rods

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do this instead

>>15084318
Yea. I always thought the 351 was wider than the 302.

>>15084341
It is.

>>15084301
>351W
Pretty tight in a 66. It's not impossible, but no one appreciates having to work on them either.

>>15084318
Since money isn't really an issue this is the best idea.

>>15084345
if you buy a decent crate and don't hop it up too much you'll be fine for a while though.

>>15083279
>2.0L mustang
wow thats pretty gay OP. Even shittier than a V6. Enjoy having the least powerful mustang in the world and the shit handling of an early muscle car.

>>15084341
>>15084343
It is because it has a taller deck by .475 inches. All in all its like 2.5 inches wider and 2 inches taller. Uses all the same parts (different crank throw and rods) because the bore is the same but you have to use a different intake and distributor

>>15084209
You are right Kit, forgot that between SBC and LS was the LT Vortec. Still, it was so close to a SBC, its hard to call it a different generation for me.

>>15084371
I'd love to make a long rod 331 out of a 4-bolt 351

>>15084372
this is true. the only difference is that awful optispark and head design and tpi. I truly don't know what the benefit of a gen 2 would be unless you were doing a period 90s build.

>>15084362
>muscle car
Lol
>>15084358
Also I want a 302 for more room in the bay. More room in the bay means more room for me to move around in there. I want to actually be able to work on the thing if I need to.

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>>15084345
I would still rather work with this than any new car

>>15084384
And even then, if this was the 90s, id slap Vortec heads on a SBC and be done with it. Fuck the old TBI carb over that all day.

>>15084392
Keep in mind op, the 302 is only giving you an extra inch or two on each side, and if you go with the mustang ii front end the shock towers and humps are completely gone

>>15084455
MII front ends suck. The cars actually handle better with modified original style suspensions.

>>15084455
Maybe will go for 351w.

I would swap out a 3.7 (2012-2014)stang motor.

305hp and pretty damn cheap since they aren't in demand.

Easy to obtain because there are plenty out there.

Fucking reliable. Used in Taurus for years before being adapted to mustang.

But.

A rebuilt 289 or 302 is just as cheap and a direct bolt in.

>>15084708
space requirements on a 1st gen mustang.

>>15084554
They sell a bolt on kit based on the mustang II that is superior to scavenging one off an older Mustang II/Pinto. It is built to fix all the problems with first gen mustang front ends.

>>15084554
True, they are not great for making hotlaps at road courses.

If I get a v8 I'm probably going to get a new k member (especially if 351w) that supports newer suspension styles

http://www.cjponyparts.com/aje-suspension-colt-65-suspension-kit-with-289-302-351-motor-mounts-for-use-with-late-model-spindles-1965-1970/p/SUSK64-V/

So quit Bitchin about handling and shit

>>15084744
This is possible but can I get a crate v6 or do I have to part one out of a yard and rebuild it? (The rust is real here so I'm hesitant to junkyard)

>>15084062
For fear of the rust involved?? What, inside the engine?

>>15085018
Maybe yea. The thing has sat for a solid 13 years before it got to me. I don't want to rebuild it to find out that some of the walls are thinner than they should be and blow the fucking thing from the pressure

>>15084975
I don't get this. Any engine you would pull from a yard and be putting into a classic should be rebuilt anyway. Send that fucker to the machine shop to get hot tanked, magnafluxed, square decked, and line honed with new cam bearings, freeze plugs, and pipe plugs. From there, get a bearing and rering kit and you will have a reliable engine from day one. Rust on a block is easily remidied with an acid bath and a hot tank and can be painted to prevent further exterior block rust. Just make sure before assembly you clean the bores to break up any flash.

>>15085095
Wont happen unless it has been underwater or open to the elements and even then, magnafluxing will reveal weak spots and a micrometer and telescope gauges will reveal an out of spec cylinder. You do realize they can be bored over right? That can compensate for any pitting or light scratches in the metal.

>>15085142
>>15085120
I see what you are sayin, but I'm basically a 19 yo NEET with no knowledge of serious rust removal other than acid baths. I also lack precision tools and the equipment needed to work on an engine (engine hoist and stand). I could get it done by a shop but wouldn't it just be better to drop a crate v8 in?

>>15085175
It will be much much pricier than rebuilding. An engine stand is under 100. A crate engine ranges from 1500 undressed to the moon. You can do a poor man rebuid and gasket job for a grand or less including machining maybe 1200 or under.

>>15085175
And I posted too soon as well. How the hell do you plan on putting in a crate engine with no hoist?

>>15085175
get an engine building/tuning book m8. anything by david vizard is a solid choice, dunno if he covered ford V8s

>get a classic muscle
>swap a WG 1.9TDI
>enjoy delicious tears of enthusiast everywhere
I don't know, 150bhp is enough for a daily car and them 45+mpgs

>>15086094
>much much pricier than rebuilding
Crate engines are usually cheaper for what you get. The only reason to have it built in a local shop is numbers matching bullshit.

>>15086192
You rebuild a motor to maintain the originality of a car. Don't swap a SBC into a '49 Olds because you are to lazy to rebuild the 303 Rocket

>>15088037
Yeah but OP is swapping out his gennie I6 so who cares.

>>15088054
He should just build a 289/302 with the quad weber downdrafts for ultimate meme status

i would replace the 70 year old suspension design first, then focus on the engine.

>>15083279
The 2.0 will be lighter, more fuel efficient, and probably make more horsepower than those anemic v8s.

JY explorer/mountinqueer long block, valve springs, cam, intake and exhaust, slap a t5 behind it and enjoy your cheap bolt in reliable 300+hp

I want to put an ls1 in an xj8

hopefully someday I have the cash to blow

>first gen mustang
You have to be more specific lad the 67-73 Mustangs have bigger engine bays and can fit bigger motors

>>15083279
use a turbo coupe or SVO engine

at least it's laid out to be rwd

>>15083279
Why not a 2.7 ecoboost. I've thought about swapping it into a fox

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1 word.

voodoothunderfalconbird.

Imagine a 2500lb stang screaming at 8250rpm straight into a crowd of innocent onlookers.

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>>15083279
FORD BARRA IMPORT FROM AUS

pls post pics/vids after ty

>>15084177
But that doesn't matter because
>>15083624
>Money isn't really an issue