What do non-Americans think about American cars?

Europeans like american cars in general because they are quite rare and look "exotic" and stand out when compared to euro cars

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ime only people who know fuck all about cars hate american cars

>>15071316

I've wondered about that, too.

Like, is it the reverse of the United States where everyone here owns a BMW/Mercedes as a status symbol, so would people in European countries own Mustangs/Camaros/etc, not necessarily as a status symbol, but due to rarity/exclusivity?

>>15071397
I'm French and yes, exactly

A basic bitch Mustang/Camaro will turn heads

I find it pretty damn funny how most of the middle east doesn't like American culture but they love American muscle.

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>>15071397
It applies in the UK up to a point. Nobody likes corvettes though

>>15071397
Until last year Mustangs were not sold here in Germany. Only import. Was extremely rare car.

Ford itself is pretty big 7% of the marked. But before the new global ford they only sold european designed fords and not american fords.

All the real "american" american cars are rare.

Driving a american muscle car in a country thats 90% hatchbacks, wagons and suv´s is very exclusive.

Im in new zealand we dont have a domestic market for cars so our roads are dominated by japanese vehicles, european vehicles are more common then american, i like american cars but everytime i see them i just think they look cheap, bad panel gaps and shitty lights, but over all there aiite id own one if i could afford one but they are horribly over priced

>>15071555

>90% hatchbacks, wagons and suv´s

I wonder, do Germans drive their own luxury cars, like Mercedes and BMWs?

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>>15071548
Only faggots don't like American muscle
Prove me wrong
Protip you can't

>>15071552
I like corvettes.
I'd totally get one over some Porsche just because every somewhat wealthy person already has one of those.

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not liking them is a meme

its like captain america movies, very fun but you would never tell anyone its your favorite superhero over ironman or spiderman, because its captain america

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>>15071294
Asian here, I love American cars. Since I was a kid I always wanted a hot rod.

No roadster yet but I have a 4-dr chebby with a big veeate. One thing I hate is that everyone I meet talks to me like I know jack shit about the car because I'm asian/relatively young (21)

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>>15071552
It's pretty sad when a 65k corvette assfucks a 170k Mercedes AMG or a 140k BMW M2/4 on the track, the ZL1 is owning the Eurotrash on the tracks these days. Europeans have nothing under 120k that can touch it.

>>15071555
Do Germans drive bmws/mercs like we would drive our fords or whatever? Cheapish because it's domestic?

>>15072097
Yes

>>15071294
I dont know, they are often a bit big and I feel a lot of them would handle like cruse ships. We dont have many straight roads and I dont drive automatics.
We do however have a fairly large am-car community here in Norway, so they do get some love here.

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>>15072196
>corvette
>camaro
>turning

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>>15071555
You guys will never have 1984 Ford LTD, makes me sad for you.

>>15072171
>Texas plates

I think this thread was aimed at people who don't reside in the US.

Nice ride though, would cruise around town in / 10

>>15072203
This is more aimed at the classic american muscle cars, rather than the new ones, they dont sell here at all.

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>>15072204
Good job finding the only accidents on cars still in testing phase. The Zeta platform is amazing at corners, but even the best crash on Nuremberg, and that caddy was crashed by a press driver.

The old meme of LoLnoTurnz has been out the window for over a decade.

>>15072157

C-Captain America is my favorite, though. He's the coolest.

>>15072213
Well I was born in and grew up in Malaysia. Living the hotrod dream 2bh

pigfat can't turn and capeshit is awful drivel for manchildren.

>>15072115
I'm a faggot and I like American muscle

What Europe does, thinks, or doesn't do and think never crosses my mind for a second on any day.

>>15073547

should i post the Nurburgring laptimes again?

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>>15071294
huge on the outside but cramped on the inside
crude any lazy engines
what ever power they have is wasted and cant be fully used
weigh too much

don't get me wrong they can make good cars
its just they don't want to
and they just sell what people will buy

>>15071316
allot of 70s and 80s trucks have shown up lately so they don't turn heads much
nor does any mustang or camaro as we has always had them
https://www.nzta.govt.nz/assets/resources/factsheets/12/docs/lhdvo-list.pdf
a c4 corvette or c5 on the other hand shits a rare pepe

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I personally really like american cars

I don't understand why people always bitch and moan about american cars not being able to handle as well as their european counterparts, which is true, but it doesn't mean their cars are bad.

American /sportscars/ offer a better,cheaper and overall more fun driving experience than european cars.

It's not all about grip and track times, it's the amount of fun you have while doing so, and i believe a scary monster of a car that has poor handling delivers a more exciting driving experience.

see:snek

econoboxes and suv's are whatever, although their build quality has improved a lot over the last 16 years.

>>15074471
>cheaper

Not the case here, can get eu sports cars cheaper than us ones. Import taxes are huge, especially if they are high hp.

>>15072157
I love Captain America and Iron Man...

I kinda wanna see them fuck.

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>>15074515
That's why you order the "cab and chassis" model. Then have a coach build the body when it gets there.

>>15071294
Argentinean here
>inb4 nigger

I have a thing for boomer cars. Fairlanes, Falcons, Chevelles, Novas, etc.

>>15074471
The GTS was a very british looking sports car imo but kept american aggressiveness. Looks like an american version of ginetta or a tvr almost.

Americans just need to drop this "muh muscle car heritage" shit. Which they will do once people who grew up in the 60's and 70's stop buying cars.

build quality has also vastly improved in the last 5 years and they are starting to pick up more on the styling and types of cars the european market has been doing for a long time, mostly in part due to economy troubles and gas prices.

>>15074629
>The GTS was a very british looking sports car imo but kept american aggressiveness.
That's kind of the point.

The Viper was conceived as a modern interpretation of the original Shelby Cobra, which was based on the British AC Ace.

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>>15074748
Also, Carroll Shelby himself was on the development team for the original Viper

>>15074760
I don't know why anyone would be impressed with that. Shelby was great at modifying and racing cars, but he was never a standout when it came to designing and developing them.

>>15074791
That's why Chrysler had Lamborghini make the engines, based on their 360 LA V8's, but with a bigger stroke.

>>15072157
Captain America *is* my favorite.

>>15074748
AC Cobra*

I saw a new Mustang IRL for the first time the other day. Looks really cool, really eye catching and different. Much better than that awful looking plastic pig Camaro SS.

From then on, I decided that one day, I'd get a V8 Mustang with racing stripes and look like a COOL AMERICAN.

Swiss here.
I only like the Mustang and Corvette, the rest I don't care.

kazakhstan.
most american built cars here are pickup trucks. we have a couple of muscle cars but it's pretty expensive to import engines that size. Trucks are exempt from this rule because they're not classified as b class vehicles.

>>15071294
I drive one, want two or three more.

>>15071294
I love older american cars. What's not to like? Fuckin' V8's and big metal boxes. Their looks and sound flips all my boner switches. I don't care much for newer cars, though. But that's regardless of nationality. I prefer metal in my cars, so even if I love how damn good an old corvette looks, I'd never want to own one, because lolglassfiber. Anyone ever make a C2 in metal and they will own all my boners for eternity.

>>15072212
That pic makes me sad for me, too.

>>15075086

>yugly car is yugly

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>>15075017
Sounds like you need to buy a srt 10 ram

>>15071294
cheap, overpowered, shit steering, inefficient, badly made, huge, obnoxious designs. not stereotypes though, just the reality.

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>>15072171
Nice! You should hand it to me, where I'll sandblast it to get rid of and rust and imperfections, then give it a nice two tone paint job (I was thinking silver and some other color), then finish it off with magnaflow exhaust and some sick foose wheels!

>>15076512

Was he in overhaulin or w/e?

To get the bottom of the image of American cars abroad you'll have to do an entire social psychoanalysis. I like in Germany so I can only speak about my country and to a lesser extent about western Europe. This territory has been populated for much longer and at a dense state much earlier than the United States.

When the great concept of individuality came around in the mid 20th century Americans could simply spread (or in the case of the west they were already spread) and fully live it out. People in the Old World however did not only historically rely on compromises and social coherence, but had to continue doing so because for American standards our territories were already pretty full (for comparison if you packed the US population to the German population density you'd barely fill the east coast states, and if the entire US were as densily populated as Germany you'd have 2 billion people living there). In conclusion these values continued to hold a much higher rank back here.

But what does this have to do with cars? People don't just make compromises out of nowhere, they must be pushed into them. More specifically you push people into social coherence by shunning extreme excessiveness and wastefulness. And what is the archetype of excessiveness and wastefulness among global nations? Exactly, the Americans. And the cars? They're symbols of the lifestyle.

>>15076607
That's one half of the story. Driving an American car (and American cars really don't hide in traffic) simply makes you look an egomanical asshole.

Another point are the costs and practicality. Costs are a thing that Americans have never worried about because no one ever saw sufficient reason to drive them up, to the point where they started relying on cars so much that they now have no choice but to keep them low. And space, as said before, has always been abundant in the US. Traffic getting heavy? Add lanes or build a new wider road nearby, the end. In Europe however space is more limited, and roads often have to be managed in the size they come in, so costs have somewhat become a measure of traffic control. Roads too full and you want more people to take the bicycle or bus in the city? Make driving more expensive. Furthermore the management impact (road upkeep is something Americans have neglected for decades in favor of low taxes) and environmental impact have been recognized in Europe earlier and driven efforts to adjust the costs to the reality of what burdens motorized individual traffic creates.

Now you can see how this conflicts with the American mentality. American cars still are big and thirsty and made for straight long roads at low speeds, and European cars are made to be practical and easy to park and efficient and well handling when zipping around with lots of curves and speed changes. It just doesn't fit together. It fits together so little in fact that when Americans need zippy cars they buy Japanese or borrow models from their European divisions, like the many European developed Ford models that were available in the US over time or the many rebadged Opels.

>>15076614
And finally American cars have moved along at such questionable quality for decades that Europeans have become very sceptical of them. Yes, American cars often are cheaper for similar size, but such a feat is impossible without taking a toll on the quality. You get into an American car in the summer and you can actually smell the dashboard emitting fumes in the sun, the materials feel cheaper, the tolerances aren't as exact, things start rattling and tearing sooner, things other than the drivetrain break sooner, plus the service network is loose at best. Who right in their mind wants to deal with that?

It has however become accepted for enthusiasts to own American cars with collector's value for the weekend, and meets are seemingly plentiful because in the end a little individuality in your free time can't hurt.

Also I may have exaggerated slightly in my argumentation, but I wanted to illustrate the underlying mechanisms, not just scrape the topic with "yeah uh some people like them".

Also 2000 characters really don't go as far as you'd think.

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>>15072212
But we can, they're just rare. It took me a minute of searching to find two for sale in Germany, each for the equivalent of $5,400.

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>>15071397
>but due to rarity/exclusivity?
Now yes.
But like 20 years ago (and earlier) in Poland an American car was without a doubt a status symbol. That's why you can sometimes find shitty Saturn or Mercury car sitting on some older person's yard.

>>15076591
Overhaulin'

myself i only like GM 3/4 and 1 ton pickups, have a 2500 Silverado 4x4 but thats it. cars i wouldnt really touch

I want a goddamn Corvette or Mustang

>>15072231
>decades
how about the last 5 years ya retard

>>15076664
Holy crap, Germany has Mexicans too.

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>>15071294
nah, hate is a way too big word to describe it
some dont like them, but others are big fans
damn, there are about 4 chrysler PT cruisiers near me and you wont find a reason to buy one except being the biggest 'Murrica fan ever.

frankly, I wouldnt mind owning an Viper ACR myself

Generally, people like American cars because of the exotic status here and because they are cheap (find a v8 cheaper i dare you)

The main drawbacks are:
- rubbish reliability and atrocious build quality (seriously the one's Ive seen were only a step above the shit the soviet union produced)
- dimensions and handling
(driving one of them through a 500 year old city {narrow streets} is like sailing through a coral reef)
- the seats are a couch lifted from a living room and bolted to the car (comfy but no support in corners whatsoever)

to each his own
no one is going to give you shit here for liking American cars (at least not half as much as BMW, VW or Honda drivers get daily)
It happens on 4chan because it is well... 4Chan
and /o/ motto is "your car is shit" anyway

>>15076607
>>15076614
>>15076634
Suprisingly accurate and insightful
Also I think that the car as a symbol is way more important for US Americans than Europeans because it gave them freedom of movement (while in Europe that role was filled earlier by trains due to the aformentioned higher population density)
It explains the cheapness because cars are more a basic necessity than just another way of transport
The symbolic role would explain (at least partly) the design and dimensions (there, where they are not warranted by rational reasoning)

pic related: some streets Europeans have to get through

>>15072196
Because Europeans are not allowed to have fun. It's too dangerous.

>>15071294
murrican cars are shit.

>>15072231

>Zeta

Both the cadi and camaro are alpha platform, which is even better at turning.

>>15076512
Chip is like the physical manifestation of everything I hate about boomers.

>>15071294
Most Europeans hate American cars out of ignorance.

- European Cadillac owner

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>>15071294
>mfw the Mustang is the most selling sports car in the country

Japan
They are way rarer than euro cars but that doesn't mean I don't see them at all.
The last/former Mustangs, C7/C6/C5 Corvettes, 1998-ish Camaros, any models of Jeep, Cadillac Escarades, 300Cs, Hummers.... are the ones that I see at least 3 times a year in Tokyo.

>>15082901
Last time I was in Tokyo, I saw more Cadillacs (no Escalade though) than I've seen all year in Europe.

>>15072196
They all just look like hot wheels cars to me.

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>>15082978
I think their usage is either for a hearse or a stretched limousine and have never seen a single privately owned one.

>>15078249
Pt cruiser was the car of the year when it came out. It's roomy but compact, decent mpgees, peppy and handles good. Interior is cheap but so was the car. Under 20k for the top trim. It's reliable besides the electronics.

Theres plenty of reasons to own a pt cruiser dipshit

>>15083027
The Dutch are crazy for Cadillac hearses for some reason. Used ones are available for like 4k starting around here.

So in the gym I go for some reason everyone is rich as fuck (except for me) so the parking lot looks crazy sometimes. M3, M5, GT-R, GT3 RS, a fucking Wiesmann GT, Ferrari 458... And one guy drives a last gen Challenger Hemi 6,4. Compared to the other cars it just looks so... unnecessarily big, like Dodge has added 500kg more just to make it scream 'look at me! Look at meeee!!!'. I'd kill for a '67 Mustang, but I wouldn't buy a last gen model for the same reason I wouldn't buy a Phaeton: It may be fast and powerful, but on the inside it's just a fucking Volkswagen. Same with Camaro, Corvette, etc.

I'd rather use any american car than the trash produced here in europe, to bad american cars are so rare in europe

>>15082901
>Cadillac Escarades
cute

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>>15071294
There have been some good american cars, but the majority in my opinion are:

>unreliable, or not as reliable as their european/japanese counterpants
>way too big engines and huge fuel consumption
>can't steer/not handling as good as euro/jap cars
>too much show off and nothing special
>ugly (seriously, is there anything from the 60's that can compare to pic related?)

>>15076614
>America
>low taxes = bad roads
That's not how it works. At all.

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>>15083071
let me guess - you live in the US

it won the NORTH AMERICAN Car of the Year award and you can easily why:
essentially all you said is true if you compare it to other American cars (especially the handling)

but compared to European cars its a different story
(because compact, well handling and economical cars were build here already years ago)

to sum up
here it is a exotic, car you can get for cheap
with the drawbacks being:
-its sluggish (with the exception being the turbocharged petrol and diesel engines)
-not very economical
>decent mpgees
haha fuck no
and notorious bad reliability (it comes dead last in many reliability rankings beating even cars with memetic issues like the first Laguna, Alfa 147 or the Korean Chevrolets)
Its not only the electronics, the suspension is very unreliable too and the rest is not much better (the ray of light is that it doesnt rust much {probably because the engine and gearbox leak so much that the underbody is permamently sealed - as some people like to joke})
And while you could find someone knowledgeable about chryslers in every backwater here its not so easy

all that leaves only the people which really have a soft spot for them and a lot of passion

heck I like Italian classics so Im not going to judge you
to each his own

>>15083971
yuropoors have to tell themselves that low taxes means everything is shit in order to give their lives as money producing cucks for their betters to spend as they see fit meaning.

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>>15083655

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Pic with the horse on some pretty messed up stuff.

I'm a brit and never really understood the lolcantturn thing about them, but that was mainly because I didn't know there was a difference between Ford of Europe and Ford USA. I knew of muscle cars and that they couldn't turn, but overall the Fords that came to the UK were good (Or at least the Euro ones were. Escort and Sierra Cosworths in particular.)

I'm "American" and dislike American cars because they lack ingenuity. There's literally nothing to them. Terrible to drive and own

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>>15084495
Live rear axles and leaf springs were/are standard issue in American "muscle" cars so you got lots of power and no control/handling other in a straight line.
These btw went faster with the hood/trunk open and didn't try to kill you as much.

>>15071294
Landbarges. Can't turn, too big, can't corner, awful suspension and handling, rust to shit in a non-desert climate, and SERIOUSLY lack toys.

Some of them look pretty nice, but I wouldn't fancy trying to turn them around, or get them though a housing estate.

I want a great big old caddy, but with modern brakes and suspension and 4-wheel steering so it can actually turn corners.

>>15084172
I drove one for a while, it belonged to a buddy. He owned it because he was incredibly tall and it had lots of headroom.
The "Special Edition" Crusier was anemic and had the steering feel of an Ivan 'Ironman' Stewart's Super Off-Road cabinet. The suspension was competent, in that it allowed you to corner at speeds that would have otherwise overturned it, it was still ungainly at high speed, easily oversteering once the body roll pulls the rear wheels off the pavement. It drives like a small, FWD, Econoline van with half an engine that sounds like it's full of bees.

In my example, the power steering pump literally detonated in the engine bay during a routine drive.

Here in Korea European makes dominate the high end, and Korean domestic the mid and low end. There are a lot of Chevrolet compacts (since it's the old Deawoo) but they don't seem to do nearly as well with midsizes as Hyundai and Kia. Still, not really 'American'. GM rebadges the Buick LaCrosse as the 'Alpheon' (without any Chevrolet badging) for whatever reason.

Otherwise 'American' cars are a small part of the market. Jeep has a lot of pop-culture cachet ('Jeep' branded clothing is weirdly popular) and do OK as far as SUVs go, but SUVs aren't popular at all here (market is overwhelmingly staid black/white/grey sedans). There are a smattering of Fords, Chryslers, Cadillacs, and Lincolns, but all are very rare. Saw a new black 5.0 Mustang walking to work this morning which was weird.

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>>15084495
Too big, too fat, shite build quality/materials, bad economy, auto, vague steering and ugly.

>>15084800
meant to add that the lol cant turn thing started here when Mini's would bum camaro's and mustangs in the old BTCC

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>>15084761
I suspect the share of imports grows every year (so higher than pic related), but still Hyundai and Kia utterly dominate the market.

>>15084806
Camaro, Viva, Escort on the front of the grid. Let's play.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cawBXWWgqCI

>>15072197

Yep. Over there nobody would brag about owning a 3 series like le supreme gentlemen and low level retail/bank managers do here. It's just a slightly more expensive Civic essentially.

>>15074973

I'm American and have never been a Mustang guy but the new ones look fucking great driving down the road. Really gorgeous cars.

>>15082978

Same with Buick in china. I saw more buicks in one week than I may have seen in my entire life in the states. It's weird.

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cars for terrorists

This is fun lolcantturn Aussie Minis vs Mustangs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nS4MIfA5i64

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right, eurofag here, and i'll leave facts aside, and just go on general prejudice, because that's more fun

>cadillac
comes in three form forms, one is driven by old people, and looks like a square boat, bit like a volvo, but less practical. second form is the gig one, driven by soccermoms and niggers. you can tell them apart with leftist tickets or 24inch chrome spinners.

>chevrolet
also comes in a few forms
one is the corvette. gen 1-4 is awful. gen also 5 is awful, but in a different way. gen 6 is reall nce, and the ZR1 is a monster. C7 is... well its not ugly, but it doesn't look good either

other forms are the the "standard american truck tm". comes in a few sizes

also makes camaro, a vehicle i know literally nothing about

>ford
has two sections, the US and EU sections. one of them are full of swivel eyes lunatics and the others are on cocaine.

the new GT is somehow an american supercar... with a V6. blame euro division

mustang is like the only "cool american muscle car" that is actually acceptable to own here.. and is sold with an inline 4 ...what?

>dodge
somehow isnt making the most interseting vehicle of that continent, the viper. or do they? like a sub-company?

also make "standard american truck tm" not sure if its actually different to the other ones. RAM is reasonably popular as a company truck here actually

>buick
uhhh? erm...?


this is generally only concerning new cars, old stuff, 50s to mid 70s is usually really cool

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>>15083655
Goat. And personally, most 60s Italian cars look bland as all hell. That one looks particularly so.

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>>15083655
And if you'll let me cheat, the Torino.

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>>15084172
I keep hearing shit like reliability or vagaries like "electrics" brought up, but if I'm not mistaken, didn't Europe sire Joe Lucas? And British Leyland strike if anyone so much as looked at them funny? I know those are both out of Bongland, but a simple search around will tell you Italian supercars spontaneously combust to this day. And I realize that I didn't even properly reply to you so I guess I'll just air a grievance and say that plastic is plastic, the average jackhat won't know his polypropylenes from his polycarbonates and stitching felt on top of it like BMW did for a while does not a gud interior make.

im norwegian and i love american cars. japanese cars are great, but extremely boring. everyone has a german car.

american cars have big engines, cool designs but shit quality in my experience, i love big engines

>>15084868
Good race but the Camaro got fucked by lapped traffic, fucker really uncorked it at the end.

>>15085013
oh fuck my sides
the blue Stang was not bad but the other ones left enough space in the corners for 3 minis at once

There's really no point in asking Europeans about cars since they all drive 1.0L diesel shitboxes.
They're lucky if they could even afford a Civic.

i cant imagine any america cars being good at anything other than going fast in a straight line
somehow i cant picture a ford focus in a rally

Srsly?
All I have to do to get a hot as fuck Euro-babe is pick up a 2012 Comaro and import it to Eurocountry?

>>15083027
In Tokyo? Mate, I've seen two 3rd gen CTSs, one ATS, a last gen deVille. At least. And that visit was only a week long. I may have seen some stretch limo, but I ignore those.

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>>15086120
>British Leyland
got what they deserved for all that bullshit
>Italian supercars
true, reliability never was high on their list
(one can practically see the Italians going:
"should i take this good, reliable engine?
nah, fuck that, imma take the one with more hp")

as for BMW interior quality I couldn't agree more (I used to work there)
the standard "leather" was abysmal, and for the better one you had to shell out a few thousand more
to this day i blame BMW for my hatred of leather imitations
frankly I'd rather have cloth than that

>>15071397
BMW AMD MERCEDES IS NOT A STATUS SYMBOL YOU DUMBFUCK

It's literally a woman's symbol. Almost no men drive that german shite, man.

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>>15086241
There is or was film a wonderful race from this period which featured a Mini and a Ford Galaxie trading places and probably some paint.
I'd post if I could.

>>15091538
WHAT CAR IS THAT IN THE PHOTO

>>15071316
Ye. If you turned up with a 2.3 ecobooster mustang in my country and parked it next to a w12 a8, gc m6 or w/e super expensive euro car that doesn't cross the treshhold to supercar territory, pretty much everyone would go for the mustang instead because of rarity and thinking its more expensive than the cars they see every day (standard 6er are very common and people cant tell the difference between the even more common 5er, same for audi)

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>>15092077
That, or they're looking at the freak show.
Oh how I pointed and laughed at my first one of these.

>>15091538
>nah, fuck that, imma take the one with more hp
And tune them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBSabzit_GM
It was crazy fast.

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>>15092061
>>15092061
PROTIP Check the filename
one of my favorite pre-war cars

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>>15092223
A Pinto based Mustang. Cool. Really. Someone jumped the shark right there..
At which point, exactly, did European cars become cool.

>>15092223
Ofc, I meant the cool stuff

>>15071294
Too heavy, too wide, jerky auto's, the steering is loose and vague with bad handling, the seats are for fat cunts, lazy engines, they look pretty terrible too bar the odd exception.

>>15072196

Those may be your prices in Burgerland but AMG and BMW do not cost 170k or whatever in their countries of origin, the same way you get cheap Corvettes we get cheap (relatively speaking) BMWs and the likes.

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>>15092360
They're cheaper in burgerland than in germany

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>>15071294

Here in UK the majority of American vehicles we get are wrong-side drive and priced very high due to import/rarity so only a select few of very dedicated owners will pay above the odds for them.

Its hard to justify the purchase when we have a lot of selection for similar/cheaper prices.

I respect the whole "muh V8" but they really aren't that practical due to the size. Even the new Mustang is pretty huge compared to the average car.

>>15092255
damn 325hp and that sound... bueno
those are pretty fast with 200hp but over 300 is absolutely insane
here's some hillclimb
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1oM1hcMEZI

>>15074625
This, have disdain for boomers in general but they knew what a muscle car should look like

>>15071294
OP's image is a remastered photograph taken in the 1910's, does anybody know what the collection is called/what to search for? I've been meaning to find it again

>>15092511
There are a lot of tuned 500 Abarth here, they can go up with hp easily, I wonder how it'll affect its reliability, but I don't know anybody who managed to break the engine yet. On the other hand, to roll the car...

>>15092580
>1910's
It clearly says "1921" on his license plate.

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>>15071294
american muscle cars had a huge impact on swedish counterculture, look up raggare

>>15084830
Is it true that koreans generally have a grudge against the family owned corporations?.

>>15093552
true I've seen the 1.4tjet in puntos and 200hp was possible with only a garret 1446 and new software
frankly I think of swapping on of them into an uno
could be a fun project

>>15093635
Beg pardon, wasn't wearing my "anal nitpicking" glasses

>>15071294
>only one person realized that picture was taken in 1921
Disappointed /o/

>>15083971
But it does. I've been there, American roads generally are absolutely horrid. The ones above the freeze line anyway, and even in the southernmost states the wear and tear of vehicles makes many of them torn up, patched up, bumpy tracks. And that's at no more than 80 mph. At Autobahn speeds they'd be undrivable. Plus there are hundreds of bridges across the country that are basically just short of collapsing.

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>>15085622
If you want to pretend to be European, you might want to educate yourself from something else than memes.

>>15098433
i do live in europe. and i did say e was going to use more memes/pejustice than actual facts because thats more entertaining

>>15074471
>It's not all about grip and track times, it's the amount of fun you have while doing so, and i believe a scary monster of a car that has poor handling delivers a more exciting driving experience.
I think you might be on to something here.

Fun! what a novel concept!

if only the likes of Ford and GM understood that instead of trying and repeatedly failing at being more European with "muh Nurburgring"

>>15074629
>Americans just need to drop this "muh muscle car heritage" shit. Which they will do once people who grew up in the 60's and 70's stop buying cars.
you are naiive if you believe this.

gen X and some of gen Y like them too. Gen X grew up with the 70's and 80's versions of Muscle cars, while Gen Y lusted over posters of the 60's and 80's versions as kids before getting cucked as adults and getting priuses.

but about half of gen Y, the normal half- still like Muscle cars and the "Muscle car heritage" shit.

I know I do.

>>15074629
you're forgetting that Gen X and first half millennials were raised by those same 60's/70's boomers, and therefore, are going to have a longing for that 70s mustang that dad had, or that trans am dad had.

muscle car culture wont die out until everything associated with boomers, (their spawn included) die off.

>>15098775
frankly I don't mind the whole "Muscle car heritage" stuff, but they shouldn't make it the only reason to buy them
there's lot of space for improvements in the cheap and sporty sector

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>>15091768
From a namefag no less