BMW Fanboys on Suicide Watch

>>15001047
Faster is faster

> but muh price
An interior that doesn't rattle itself apart after 3 months isn't cheap

>>15001047

bmw fucked up. i don't understand why it only has 365 hp out of a modern turbo i6.

So if the M2 matches the camaro SS and the focus matches the M2.....

>>15001047
why the fuck is this joke of a company still around
"muh german engineering" is the biggest meme

The BMW doesn't have a shit interior, looks 40x better and will guaranteed be more fun to drive. The BMW may not be the better car on paper, and is way more expensive, but no BMW has ever been about value for money.

Imagining you were offered either for free, anyone who says they would pick the Focus RS is not only a liar, but a bad liar.

>>15001075
>muh gutted AC less race car with carbon fiber wheels
whew alphonse
>>15001117
/thread

>>15001075
such a dumb comparison I can only hope this is some extremely well executed bait.

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>>15001047
>50% more expesive
Except that is a lie.
A similar configured Focus RS is over 40k, the BMW is 53k. For 13k you get to not drive a Ford with an interior designed and built by americans.

>>15001169
>never sat in a current gen BMW
>'mustang has better interior durrrrrrrrrrr'
Don't get me wrong I think the current 5 and 3 series are shit, but you've got to admit BMW have got it down with their interiors at the minute. The steering wheel they use is godlike, and like any BMW you can get the seating position exactly right.

>>15001169
>far better interior.
How is that no back seat, cloth seats, no stereo, and no AC ford interior possibly better? I've told you this before use the GT350 for your shitposts, not the R

>>15001173
In the UK the Focus RS is 30k, the M2 is 45k easy.

>thinking the Focus RS had anything to do with Americunts.

>>15001169
>all that nasty-ass cheap plastic

>>15001047
>BMW M2 is over 50% more expensive
Americans confirmed cannot do simple math

>>15001196
Pretty shit bait, maybe a complete novice would fall for it, but not me, or anyone else with a brain.

>>15001186
>bongland
Literally nobody cares.
>>15001196
>weighing down your race car
why even bother with the R then?
>cloth seats like the BMW
M2 doesn't even come with anything but leather Alphonse. Step up your shitposting game.

>>15001204
>not wanting to daily drive your race car
commit suicide

>>15001186
>thinking the most recent focus is not 100% american designed and built by an american company
Bongs really are delusional. Ford is not british, the rest of europe knows this, why don't you?

>>15001216
yeah but then you have to drive around in a giant ass ford rustang. M2 vs mustang is a foolish comparison. Its a hell of a car but it is just huge.

>>15001220
>current gen Fiesta and Focus arrived in UK years before the US
hmm

>>15001189
>cover it in cheap vinyl and fool the americans

>>15001229
People daily Fusions no problem, even in yurop where streets are fucking tiny and Fusions are called Mondeos.

The Mustang is smaller, and far from huge.

>>15001234
Ford is american. the platform was made for all markets. there is nothing british at all about a ford you bongsucker.
>>15001237
The interior is something only an american could love. otherwise agreed.
>>15001238
The point is people who want a small car would buy the M2. The competitor, and I mean that very loosely, of the car in the mustang's class is the M4. You may as well try to compare a fiesta to a 7 series then.

>>15001245
But if you want a fast, small car you should just buy a Focus RS.

>>15001251
If you think AWD is better than RWD and you wish for a god awful interior and a slower 4 cylinder then sure. The focus RS is just at a god awful price point imo.

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>>15001257
>If you think AWD is better than RWD
But it is.

>>15001261
>>15001265
Oddly enough two unrelated cars are not applicable. And no, AWD sucks in the drivers feels department. Besides them sweet drivetrain destroying AWD launches its dead weight and understeer

>>15001269
More than understeer, it pretty much means 'lol full throttle I don't need to think' unless its a car with truckloads of power.

>>15001276
Or the 911's AWD system, for that matter.

>>15001279
>>15001276
Or the STI's AWD System

>>15001276
>>15001279
Neither of those are also strapped to a people mover with a 2.3L four cylinder either. I know you ride a bus but in the low hp range AWD is not so amazing

>>15001279
Or evos or stis
BMW fan boys making up bullshit as usual

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>>15001047
>is faster around a track
>beaten
Way to bluntly contradict yourself OP.
>>15001220
Badge origin=/=specific model's origin. Pic related.
Heck, there's nothing Japanese about Tundras and Titans, regardless of the arbitrary badge on the nose.

ITT BMW Fanboys trying to justify overpriced shit with security screws

>>15001284
>I enjoy understeer
Those are rally/drag cars, they are not designed to be street or track cars.
>>15001291
There is nothing british about ford, i'm sorry you can't accept that.
>>15001293
>13k
>better interior
>far more capable engine

>>15001301
>security screws
>engine more capable
>Murican V8s are basically saying please come inside
>not more capable

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>>15001301
>There is nothing british about ford
Apart from British Fords?

>>15001310
We are discussing the four banger hot hatch, not the rustang.
>>15001311
And when was the last time there was a british ford? The current focus/fiesta most certainly is not

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>>15001301
>they are not designed to be street or track cars.
[citation needed]

>>15001317
If anything, the current Focus and Fiesta are German.

>>15001301
> evo is not a track car
Lol stupid BMW fan boy gaggle

>>15001317
The point of the thread was a cheap ass ford with british roots (the fiesta and focus are mainly british in origin) on the track and all that makes it good is the badge

>>15001320
>>15001326
They began on a shit FWD econobox chassis and then AWD was added to make it not utter shit for muh rallies. True sports cars (read bmw, corvette, mustang, camaro, porsche gts, viper, et. al.) are rwd and once getting into the super car range awd is added due to gross hp problems. Nobody ever thought, wow we should make this car unnecessarily heavier and understeer on a track where the AWD will be a net disadvantage. Not made to be a track car.

>>15001342
so you're saying an econobox with AWD slapped in beat an out and out sports car?

This makes BMW's case even worse

>>15001328
>the fiesta and focus are mainly british in origin
They aren't. What part of this do bongs not get? They don't even assemble the cars on your shitty island anymore.

>>15001351
they're both born from the escort

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>>15001342
>they are not designed to be street or track cars, because of my subjective opinion
lol
ranting=/=citation

>>15001350
Did you even read the article? Besides the M2 is grossly underpowered from the factory, which is bullshit, but there is no denying the 3.0L has way more power than the four banger ford.
>>15001359
Yeah, no. Ancient history doesn't matter.
>>15001361
Ford Europe is not british.

>>15001342
Lancer was originally rear wheel drive :^)
Stay btfo delusional BMW fan boy

>>15001368
So do explain why the heavy ass AWD is a positive choice for track use. Its a gussied up shitbox for rally racing, stop deluding yourself.

>>15001351
The only exception is the current generation Focus, and even then, it was developed for a global market. Ford remains tight lipped on where it was specifically developed (recent previous generations originated from Germany).

>>15001369
>the M2 is grossly underpowered from the factory

but you BMW Fanboys keep buying them

>>15001375
>was
And hasn't been for decades. The only thing related to the old ass cars you adore is the name.
>>15001380
You don't mean they assemble the current focus in the UK do you?

>>15001378
>stop deluding yourself
I'm not the one delusionally ranting nothing but opinions.
Stop projecting yourself ;)

>>15001386
What part of high power super car do you think applies to a 270hp shitbox? Evo/STI would post far faster lap times without the front wheels being powered.

>>15001386
P1 on the same tires is faster.

>>15001404
depends on the track, and certainly not in the wet.

>>15001404
>Evo/STI would post far faster lap times without the front wheels being powered.
[citation needed]

>>15001404
And yet the evo and sti rape rear wheel drive cars with three times as much power around tsukuba

Prove they would they faster without God tier awd

>>15001414
>inb4 silhouette bodied touring cars

>>15001409
Its superior for high power supercars and drag cars. Just like DCT is better than a manual.

Doesn't make AWD and DCT not shit however.
>>15001417
>meme gook track
whew.
>>15001413
Its a good thing track cars don't race around parking lots full of cones in the rain then
>>15001414
>heavier is better
270hp is no crazy amount where traction is an issue. Most sports cars do just fine with nearly twice that amount through the rear wheels

>>15001418
I said on the same tires.

https://youtu.be/q3YPTkBRaOk?t=808

>BMW fanboy faggots are this assblasted and delusional
roflmao.

>>15001426
>still confusing subjective ranting with providing a citation
eyyy lmao

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>>15001426
>Lel Audi bring AWD 5cyl saloon to race against almighty V8's of murrica, we're so gonna school em
>Buttrapes muh big V8 murrican cars in their own back yard
>ban it cause your a wee pussy who can't handle the 5cyl awd bants

>>15001440
That would require subaru and mitsubishi to not produce shit tier cars based off of econoboxes.
>>15001445
>AWD is a huge help in high horsepower gutted race cars
Who would have guessed? Remind me again what part of that matters to a gussied up shitbox?

>>15001445
>implying it wouldn't have been faster as a RWD

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>>15001448
>can't cite your baseless claims?
>keep ranting!
You're priceless

>>15001463
>heavier is faster
whew lad. do you vape and own a subaru or something?

>>15001117
Except the bmw is full ofdead buttons on the wheel, the fucking front seat is ANGLED FUCKING CANTED TO THE SIDE BECAUSE THEY WERE TOO CHEAP TO PROPERLY DESIGN PROPER CRASH-WORTHINESS.

and plastic carbon fiber. Everywhere

>>15001453
>has clearly never driven AWD in pissing down rain
wew

>>15001453
It wouldnt

>>15001448
>>15001448
Yet the V8's had much more power and laughed like fuck at audi for their little sissy bitch engines.......after they started winning they asked them to reduce their boost, then their tyre width, then asked for a ban when that shit didnt work.

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>>15001481
All the buttons work, the front seat is not angled, and the carbon fiber is authentic.

Do you learn everything about cars from /o/?

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>>15001474
It is sometimes, depends on whats causing the extra weight.

>>15001493
The point is these cars are AWD because they are based off a fwd shitbox chassis or for muh rallies, the choice was obviously not made for track performance.

>>15001474
yea it depends.

weight reductions on the GTR make it slower.

It's more than power to weight that makes the car anon

>>15001498
The road going Quattro was AWD from the outset.

>>15001474
>implying I said that
By your simple logic, they should also remove their turbocharger, and a Corvette would be better off with a four cylinder as opposed to a V8. Because it's applies an additional weight.
What other words are you going to put in my mouth?

>>15001505
>weight reductions on the GTR make it slower.
That defies all reason and logic unless they were massively messing with weight distribution.
>>15001511
because it was an audi meme. it wasn't chosen for superior dry track performance.

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>>15001498
I guess the F2000 was FWD from the start.

OH WAIT

>>15001517
RS200*

>>15001514
But it is superior, Audi saloons absolutely raped european touring car championships all through the 90's with it before they got banned from each countries in turn or had so much success ballast added that it wasnt reasonable to compete.

>>15001517
Wow, a car designed from the ground up for rally racing is awd? Besides, awd was a huge meme in the 1980s when most cars were horrible slow fwd vehicles.
>>15001523
>superier in lightweight gutted race cars and supercars
i've never denied this. a 270hp lancer is neither.

>>15001514
it has alot to do with the dampers and how ABS and TC works.

It expects certain a certain weight to travel a certain distance to adjust the throttle.

Not only that but the way airflow works on the car, it's in tandem with the massive weight of it.

There's nothing excess on it

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>>15001517
How the fuck is this fwd you fucking shitbong cuck fuck you

>>15001526
Then that is an issue with the car being a driving tech demonstration, not a principle against physics. With proper engineering weight savings would substantially improve the car, like every car.

>>15001529
[spoiler](^: nice one on the typo[/spoiler]

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>>15001529
>I will never own an FS2000
why they so expensive?

>>15001533
>forgetting the part about airflow which has a massive effect on grip

You'd have to change the aero of the car as well and the dampers and springs.

Just removing weight won't do much even without ABS and TC

>>15001539
Because only 200 were ever made,and a fair amount have been written off.

>>15001539
because the Flemish don't make it anymore

>>15001541
>airflow
are we removing body parts too? less weight means less force needed to be overcome with downforce too. lighter is always better.
>>15001546
I hate them so much. The prices on gunbroker are insane.

>>15001525
The race M3 was 200kg lighter but still got beaten.

>>15001558
Are you talking about the CSL? Cuz that is not even remotely true.
>adding lead weights to a go cart will make it faster

>Worse than a camaro
>worse than a focus

>>15001481
>people on /o/ actally believe these lies
why do i even come here

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>>15001558
nope

>>15001554
you'll have to change how the car squats because it was dependent on the weight. which means changing dampers and springs as well.

I'm just saying you can engineer a car around being heavy.

Also

>FN
>not being the H&K of Belgium
>SCAR 16s and 17s not overpriced as fuck

>>15001601
>I'm just saying you can engineer a car around being heavy.
And you can always engineer it to be faster if lighter. Weight is always a detriment, just like there is no replacement for displacement.
>SCAR 16s and 17s not overpriced as fuck
I would never own one for that reason but fuck me if I don't want to sell a few guns to buy that sexy FS2000. It and an original pre-ban AUG are the only guns I really lust for.

>>15001611
I agree with you on the weight, I'm just saying you can get around it if you know what you're doing

>>15001611
Turbo's a perfectly good replacement for the V8, the french invented both, and preferred the latter.

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So it is, so has it ever been.

Turbo is a compliment to the V8. V8 and turbo aren't mutually exclusive.

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>>15001281

>>15001700
does this apply the the 718s now?

>>15001711
Clarkson said it

not me

>>15001645
Except for a V8 with a turbo or two.

>>15001498
Spoken like a true uneducated moron

>>15001722
>denial
It's just not a river in europe. tell me more about your rwd brz

>>15001861
Lol like I'd buy a low power rwd

>>15001871
>buying RWD
>ever

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M2 THREAD

http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1245083

YFW ITS LITERALLY A M4 UNDERNEATH

M4 BRAKES
M4 DIFF
M4 SUBFRAME
M4 CONTROL ARMS
M4 DCT
M4 PISTONS

DESCRIBED AS FEELING LIKE THE GREAT E46 M3 IN HOW IT DRIVES

WAITING LIST AT BMW DEALER A MILE LONG MOST OF THEM ALREADY PRESOLD

THE GOD CAR IS BACK OLD BMW IS BACK BABY

(i hope bmw doesn't fuck it up for everyone and makes them limited edition so i can buy one CPO when i'm done with my e36 m3, i also wish they had more than 3-4 colors)

>>15001047

>BMW is expensive

I didn't notice that ever stopped them before

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>>15001573
except the camaro is slower

which is funny because this means the focus RS is faster than the camaro 2SS kek

>>15001529
bullpups are fwd

old bmw > new bmw

new bmw fags on suicide watch

>>15004979
>0.02 cents have been deposited to your account

alphonse thread

>>15004979
m2 - 3600 lbs, 365 hp
m4 - 3600 lbs, 425 hp

yes, it is an m4, but with a crippled engine

>>15001047
when I'm done with my E46 I'm just gonna switch to subaru no one outside of /o/ actually cares about motortrend lap times anyway

arent RS's going for like 40k+ because of dealer mark up?

>>15005957
It's likely a few simple mods from matching it. And isn't it actually 3300-3400lbs?

>>15006124
A few simple mods but the cooling stuff. It won't hold together long if you boost it up.

All this benchracing by boys who dont even have cars...

BMW fag here. Own a e46, two e31's and a e30. Love BMW period , but will have to admit the Burgers have been building better and more competitive cars. The Mustang GT350 just about out sold the Porsche 911 last month in Germany. I repeat, GERMANY. That is huge and if the Euros don't wake up and start bringing it, you might really see a seismic market shift here going on.

>>15006277
/o/ is just s shitposting board now.

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>>15006052
So are M2's, pic related. Fuckers wouldn't even let me start the car, let alone take it on a test drive. Their wait list for the M2 is 22 people long and they got an 8-unit allocation this MY.

Focus RS is definitely not 50% more expensive though. An optioned out RS is pretty much 41k MSRP and a 6MT M2 with the one package they offer is around 54k. Obviously it doesn't make up the whole difference but the BMW also has free maintenance for 60k miles.

I was initially all aboard the hype train for the Focus RS pretty much until I sat in one. The interior of cars isn't the most important thing for me but at the end of the day it needs to be a nice place to sit in, and the Focus just didn't deliver that for me. Lots of cheap plastics and the overdesign that's typical of a lot of cars these days. Frankly I think the RS is overpriced while the M2 has really quite surprising value for money. I'm keeping my shitbox that I drove through high school and college for another year and just dropping the extra 13k on the M2; I think I'll be much happier in the long term with it.

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>>15006313
>now
NEWFAGS GET THE FUCK OFF MY BOARD!!!! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!

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>>15001047
I think we can all agree the amount of BMW butthurt on behalf of murica is at an all time high

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>>15007589
only ford cars are faster though

as usual GM is the worst option