I fear we will see a ban on human driven cars in our lifetimes.

I want to be the one in a classic muscle car blazing down the highway letting the self driving cars swerv out of my way with their automatic accident avoidance

This is why I am not jumping on the Tesla bandwagon. Not because I don't think EVs are cool as fuck but it's because Elon and Co. want to mandate self driving cars. It will either become flat out illegal to drive yourself or they'll make insurance too expensive because they'll argue that humans cause crashes, not self driving computers. It will start with the Model 3 and everyone will think it's the greatest thing evar. RIP /o/

>>14996207

>Donald Trump becomes President
>Google's lobbying cant work anymore

>>14996302
Unfortunately, if the laws against doing that are anything like the laws against "street racing" you'll probably have your car crushed once the cops catch you.

That will be the other insidious element of it - as "manual" cars become more rare, car enthusiasts will turn against people that want to drive them on the street, because of the risks, and begin advocating for track use only. Look at the way much of gun community balked at the open carry movement for an example of the kind of infighting we can expect.

When the anti-car politicians begin proposing outright bans on internal combustion engines, "moderates" within the car community will counter-offer with a ban on streetable ICEs and "manual" cars, in exchange for the continued legality of ICE track cars.

>>14996668
How the fuck did Australia, a country with so much empty space in which to hoon without endangering others, end up with these laws?

I know they exist, as indicated in the OP, but I don't know exactly why.

>>14996364
Nah that's bullshit, the regulatory power of most transportation boards only extends to public roads, and emissions from racing are completely insignificant on a national scale. ICE track cars will exist as long as they're feasible.

I cant see it happening here in NZ anytime soon but I still fear that it happening somewhere like the USA could set a precedent for the rest of the world.

>>14996207
move to africa

This video sheds some good light on why self driving cars will most likely not happen any time in the near future. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ixIoDYVfKA0 Its the same thing how A .I. will never take over. How do you build a brain when we dont even fully understand how brains work.

>>14996328
more like

>donald trump becomes president
>google pays trump directly and gets whatever they want

>>14996702
Hooning in empty areas still endangers people according to the gubbment

>>14996207
> age based displacement limits (already in place in Australia)
What?

>>14996890
See
>>14996668

Also look up australia p plate laws

>>14996668
P plate laws are determined by power to weight, idiot
And some states have zero restrictions
Get your facts right

>>14996892
See >>14996893

Seems you need to look up the laws

>>14996893
Yeah not in South Nonfreestralia.
Inly vehicles made after 2010 its a 130kw/ton

>>14996900
Look up SA p plate laws m8

>>14996901
No one cares about cucktoria and south straya

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>>14996750
all we want to do is shred tyres in the I dustrial estates at night, no harm

>>14996207
>comparing cars to guns
So automatics should be banned? :^)

Good thing not everyone are millenials, and good thing grandfather laws exist

>>14996939
Every outright ban on anything starts with grandfather clauses and eventually, the older, car friendly generations will die off.

You are right for the present moment, but within the next 25-50 years, conditions will be right for such a ban, sadly.

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>>14996957
I don't want to be alive when that happens

>>14996702
>How the fuck did Australia
Plain and simple, they never told Brittan to fuck off.

The British love completely unreasonable and oppressive laws. They love being treated like absolute children. They love being told how to behave by their betters.

It is fucking disgusting.

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>>14996893
>qld
>forced induction banned
>literally a 1.3l diesel shit box is too fun to drive

>>14996668
you also can't post on this website until you're 18 you fuckboy
move out of SA, shittest state

>>14997196
This. Despite all the shit I give the burgers, they had the right idea when they revolted.

>>14997218
Wait, is it banned across the board or just for young drivers?

>>14997344
P plates.
so like for the first three years from Ls to p1, p2 class. not even allowed to drive them to learn. even if its a weak little econobox. also, curfews at night. cant drive after 10pm

>>14997369
Queensland has a power to weight limit, s13 turbo and r32 gtst are exempt for example
Can drive anything on your l plates
can drive after 10pm just not with a car full of your yobbo fuck head Mates

Go away underage shit head

>>14997297
I just turned 18 its my birthday fuck you

>>14997369
>be me, American from Kansas
>learned to drive in a V8 truck
>Dailying a 260 HP G35 Coupe at 18
>no curfews
>no speed cameras
>no vehicle inspections
>no driver's test if your parents sign an affidavit that you practiced with them for 50 hours (everybody lies)

>>14997400
>speed limits are low to make the roads safe when they're inhabited by morons

>>14997406
Define low. I routinely cruise at 80 to 90 mph on rural highways, and most roads in town are 45 mph which is respectable.

>>14997422
>i cruise
And what do you get pulled over for?

>>14997429
Most of those roads are 55 to 65 mph but devoid of cops because my state is virtually bankrupt.

The actual interstates are 70 to 75 with reasonable (as in cops won't give a shit) crushing at 80.

>>14996668
U wot m8? You can do all that shit when you're on your full license depending on your state. Age has nothing to do with it unless you live in a cuck state.

>>14997429
Not using your blinker and not wearing a seat belt usually.

>>14996207
Please tell me how the gubberment is gonna take away our guns too

>>14996207
It'll never happen, you'll find governments get extremely unpopular if they start saying "You know that 10,000-1,000,000 thing you own? Yeah you can't use that anymore, you have to buy a new one that is a minimum of $40,000"

They would be one way to start the second american revolution. Model Ts, and any car older than the 50s should be banned from driving on the roads because of the safety issues, but they're not because telling people something they've owned for their entire lives is suddenly illegal to use never goes over well.

>>14997799
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/05/04/hillary-clinton-plans-executive-action-to-exceed-obama-on-gun-control/

>>14997813
>Model Ts, and any car older than the 50s should be banned from driving on the roads because of the safety issues,
You are an absolute faggot

I will have the last laugh as i fly by all the electard autofuckmywifetyrone shitboxes doing 150 in my 911 with a 20 gallon fuel cell.
Maximum keks as the police try to keep u but run out of charge afyer doing 120 for 1 minute and the copters are nowhere to be seen because muh pollutants.

The future is dim my friends but the 4 smoke cumbusting will prevail.

>>14997819
I am saying this based on the same retarded idea OP was mentioning, where unsafe cars should be banned sperglord

>>14997866
Stop being a cunt, cunt.
Give me your lunch money.

>>14996207
Holy shit I'm a massive Rush nerd and I had no idea this was a thing.

>>14997922
Geddy Lee looks like a kike/vulture

>>14997813
YOU CAN TAKE LIZZIE FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS

Seriously though faggot, all my dream cars are over 50 years old. Fuck you.

>>14997922
>I'm a massive Rush nerd
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>>14997813
I have doubts that the government will ever need to intervene. My guess is that insurance carriers will force manually-driven vehicles completely off the road for everyone but a handful of rich people.

>>14997392
And that is why the entire fucking premise is retarded. Learners can get in a Ferrari and power slide cause they're brand new, but a guy who has a few years experience can't?

Laughable.

The fact there's not even driver competency tests for good drivers to progress faster is also pathetic.

>>14996781
>Trump being bought

>>14998749
>Trump not being bought.

>>14999737
He's rich enough to bypass that shit

>>15000023
The rich can't be bought? Good one, anon, good one.

>>14997813
>Model Ts, and any car older than the 50s should be banned from driving on the roads because of the safety issues

This kind of thinking is exactly how they will do it. Take little by little. Ostracize or demonize the group that uses the thing that's up for a ban, the whole will probably compromise. (That's ok if we get old cars off the roads, they're only driven by grandpas or people stuck in the old days) 10-30 years will pass and another thing will come up for banning, and repeat.

Real life example: "You don't need an AR-15 to hunt deer" Less than 100 years ago you could have a full auto gun shipped to your door, but now you need to go through an authorized dealer to purchase government approved guns and they're always trying to limit those. You'd better believe they can ban certain cars.

>>14996750
Thats easy to get around. If the speed limit is 55, all cars will go exactly 55 and space themselves out in front and to the sides so in the case of an emergency, there is always an escape route. If box falls off of truck, the car has been following so far back it will have time to stop. If not, there is no other car to the side so it can swerve into that open spot. Most accidents happen because of differences in speed or people following too close or are sitting in someone's blind spot. Take all those variables out and the ethical dilemma presented in the video goes away.

>>14997196
How come Britain has none of these restrictive automotive laws then?

>>14996702

Because they're slaves. Same reason why guns have been heavily restricted. Australians simply like having their lives controlled by someone else.

>>15000105
>Ostracize or demonize the group that uses the thing that's up for a ban, the whole will probably compromise. (That's ok if we get old cars off the roads, they're only driven by grandpas or people stuck in the old days)
I've experienced this sort of thing firsthand. I remember having a congressman come to my school so we could ask him questions about passing laws, politics, et cetera. When someone asked how he felt about self-driving cars, he said that it he was all for them, stating that drunk drivers and the like cause too many fatalities. I followed up that question by asking him if I would be able to keep driving my own car if self-driving ones started appearing on the road. He responded with something along the lines of: "Oh, I see people around my neighborhood riding horses from time to time. I'm sure there'll always be people like you around." I'm fairly certain "people like you" was a euphemism for "Stupid Fucking Luddite" when he said that.

>>15000407

Politicians are such pieces of shit. But what sucks is most of the population has the "out with the old, in with the new" mentality that it's not hard to push aside the guy that disagrees with "progressive" ideals.

/k/ here, you better start a National Car Association now.

>>14996781
>implying google doesnt already have everything of yours
>implying the government doesnt have its slimy tentacles in google
>its all fucked
>get out while you still can

>>15000427

Pretty soon the car analogy won't be a hypothetical argument anymore. People will literally cry for the banning of dangerous high powered cars.

>>15000439
>Common sense car laws!
>You don't need an eight cylinder engine! You only need 4!
>Ban 4 wheeled drive
>Convertibles kill childruns

>>15000457
>Nothing needs over 200 horsepower!
>Rear wheel drive? That's DANGEROUS and encourages hooning!

>>15000457
>>Ban 4 wheeled drive
More like make it mandatory, since it's safer. RWD is for dangerous hoons.

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I want to bully self driving cars on the road.
>boxing them in so they panic
>slowly drifting into their lane so they're forced to move
>braking and then speeding up repeatedly in front of them

>>15000465
>implying your car will be allowed on the same roads that self-driving cars are
It'll never work unless roads are self-driving cars only

>>15000520
They're not going to repave the entire country, it's impossible.

>>15000537
All they have to do is designate self-driving car-only lanes and mañuel car-only lanes. They'll probably make manual car lanes inconvenient (think getting 1 lane out of 5 on a busy freeway) and eventually eliminate them. Then, when highways become self-driving cars only, it'll be a lot more difficult to justify owning a car.

>>15000463
>Implying liberals will care about little things like facts

>>15000457
They'll never be able to do this because all of the politicians (even dems) and their lobbyist friends drive high powered luxury inline sixes and v8s.

"it's safer, i can accelerate out of the way in case a distracted driver is about to hit me, braking doesnt' always work"
"a smoother ride improves driver concentration"
"yeah you can be a dangerous street racer in a family sedan too, it's driving behaviour not just speed and power, leave my caddy alone"
"i guess you want to ban walking fast too, huh hillary?"

It's not like scary looking rifles. Politicians their friends rarely own those, so they're fair game.

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>>14996207
I fear it too anon, it scares the shit out of me. I'm absolutely disgusted by most of the "people" in my generation. A lot of them are a bunch of anti gun non car owning libtards who would love to have their smartphone implanted up their ass if it were possible. One of them actually said they'd love for all cars to be self driving so they wouldn't and I quote, "have to concentrate so hard on driving." It took all of my strength to keep from sperging the fuck out. And once the insurance companies see the benefit if self driving cars, then were well and truly fucked

>TL/DR
FUCKING NORMIES REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>15000584
Do politicians own scary sports cars though? Big, smooth luxury sedans with a big engine I can see, but sports cars?

>>15000596
They're also mostly over forty. If a ban on high performance cars comes it will start with age based restrictions. "We aren't taking your right to own a muscle car, anon, we're just keeping you safe until you are ready for the responsibility, just like voting and firearms!"

>>15000611
>tfw politicians will turn us all into what boomers are today

>>15000596
Do you really think they'd be able to get away with banning "aggressive body styling" when everyone who drives already knows that civics with spoilers are just civics and when it's normally done for aerodynamics and fuel efficiency, unlike pistol grips, which are added for improved handling in combat?

Car laws are based on functionality. It's harder to pull the wool down on a subject a large amount of voters are already familiar with. So, functionality they restrict. The worst america will see is aussie-style limits on "excessively" powerful cars, or maybe some finer shit like how far you have to push the throttle in to get a certain response and banning "performance" (low) gear ratios for cars not clearly made for hauling.

>>15000625
Age restrictions on non front-engined or RWD cars, maybe.

>>15000584
They'll keep theirs just like they can keep the weapons they want (or have people guarding them who do). Imagine a future where you need to pay huge fees and provide a reason why you should own a sports car .

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>>15000642
>Imagine a future where you need to pay huge fees and provide a reason why you should own a sports car .
>my fucking face when

I don't even own a drive licens yet and they already plan to take it away.what a sad world

>>15000642
That's today.

If you modify a typical car for performance without committing fraud (not reporting it in detail), your insurance rates go through the roof, even if your modifications are done for safety/fuel efficiency (putting a newer engine in an older car). Yes, even if you have the world's most respected mechanic do it and somehow ensure that the monetary value of the car remains roughly the same.

If you buy a performance car, you insurance rates go through the roof and you pay an immense amount of money in the first place.

If you drive a performance car, the cops watch you like a hawk and pull you over for things that people in corollas would get away with.

Who needs a law when society is already set up to make your life hell?

>>15000625
>improved handling in combat

all the bullshit about AR15s being "assualt weapons" is based entirely on looks. You can fire off 30 rounds just as quickly and accurately with a traditional stock as with a pistol grip. ARs look scary because the movies make them look scary. They are no different than any farmer john wooden stocked .223 rifle in killing things dead other than how they look. Don't believe me? Ask any normie which car is faster, thusly more dangerous, a red riced out Civic hatch with giant tach or the same fucking car but painted white and 100% stock.

>>15000465
Behaving like this will only prove them right. "See? People can't be trusted to drive themselves, they're all over the road!"

Oh look another thread full of the autistic much freedoms ffggots who think the big evil liberal gubberment is gonna take their shit box mustang

>>15000938
"Ban assault cars!"

>>14997813
It's happening already to truckers in Kalifornia. If a truck is of a certain age, the owner has to put on some retarded $30,000 particulate filter that of course makes fuel economy go down. If the truck can't be fitted with a filter, then fuck you, you have to buy a new truck.

If it's something they want to do, they'll spin it every which way to get it done and have the sheeple fucking thank them for making the world a safer place.

>>14997799
they don't have to. they'll add a 1000% tax to ammo to "pay for gun safety programs"

reload yourself? 1000% tax on reloading supplies too.

>>15000955
they're not going to take the shitbox. they just won't let you drive it anymore because compared to a self driving car, you're a menace to society. let that sink in a for a second.

>>15001005
Sorry, I don't absorb bullshit. Get the fuck out of here with your autistic fantasies and go hyperventilate yourself to sleep

>>15001050
you get the fuck out. this thread is about government over reach and cars. you obviously don't believe it, so fucking leave. no one asked you to be here.

>>15001077
they dun gonna take our chebby bubba!!

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The government for the past 60 years has already stepped in and forced manufacturers to make cars safer, like collapsable steering columns so you don't get impaled when you crash, or 3 point seat belts so you don't smash your stupid face into the steering wheel / dashboard and break your stupid neck. Airbags have also become a standard so you don't break your stupid face in a collision.

The gubmint hasn't banned cars with solid steering columns, lap belts only, or no airbag cars from the road. Fuck man, you can still drive a car with drum brakes all around, The government(states) doesn't give a single fuck about the age of the car on the road, or it's safety. They just want their money from registration fees and shit.

That being said, I can't wait for self driving cars to become more prevalent and for some black hat hacker to come along and completely fuck them over. No security system is undefeatable. No computer is infallible. I'd like to see the look on elon musks face when some dude in his moms basement just disabled 50,000 of his vehicles from clicking and clacking away at his computer.

Don't believe me? Back in 2013 some people already proved it(google defcon 2013 onstar) by remotely controlling onstar equipped vehicles via a hack. They were able to control the throttle as well as apply left and right side brakes independently to effectively steer the car at highway speeds. Imagine what they could do if the steering was completely automated and computer controlled?

Self driving cars are a very, very long way away from replacing human driven cars. I really don't think it's going to happen in our life time.

>>14996207
>elon musk
>google car
>reddit
>millenials
>OP

I don't care about the opinions of retards and faggots.

>>15001401

It's scary that cars can be hacked. That's how Michael Hastings was killed.

>>15001401
I realize this is an old thread now. I just got home from work and left it on auto update and saw all these new replies. oh well. fuck it.

"Prerecorded video demos of the hacks showed Miller and Valasek disabling the car's brakes, jerking the steering wheel back and forth while the car was in motion, accelerating, taking full control of the steering wheel, yanking the seat belt tight, turning off the engine, turning interior and exterior lights on and off, honking the horn, and making the console show a full tank of gas when it wasn't."

"Zoz spent his talk in the next hour on the future of automation. Self-driving cars, he told, are essentially robots and will be particularly susceptible to the same kinds of hacks as less complicated robots."

http://www.cnet.com/news/car-hacking-code-released-at-defcon/

also:

"Ford and Toyota have both said that their focus is on preventing wireless hacks, but wireless technology is hardly a bastion of security"

No security system is undefeatable. No computer is infallible.

>>15001497
whoops. forgot something.

>"Prerecorded video demos of the hacks showed Miller and Valasek disabling the car's brakes, jerking the steering wheel back and forth while the car was in motion, accelerating, taking full control of the steering wheel, yanking the seat belt tight, turning off the engine, turning interior and exterior lights on and off, honking the horn, and making the console show a full tank of gas when it wasn't."

imagine sitting there in your self driving car and, unbeknownst to you, the fucking brakes are no longer working. The computer doesn't know it either. Or some asshole at a computer halfway across the world decides to randomly jerk your steering wheel to the left into oncoming traffic?

There are also issues like reliability. If a car breaks down now, it's not really going to be a big deal. You still have full control of your car and you can pull it to the side of the road for safety. if an electric motor or servo decides to fail and it's related to steering? Well you're fucked. There's no getting around the fact that the electric motor that controls your steering has now stopped working. You have no steering now. The computer can't do shit about it. A manual steering column? How the fuck is that going to fail? Barring EXTREMELY shitty steel compositions, it's not going to. It'll last for 1,000 years.

>>14996207
>They will be demonized as toys for the rich. I expect age based displacement limits (already in place in Australia) and possibly outright bans on high performance street cars.
It isn't aged based. It's done based on license conditions.

>>14996892
>>14996904
>>14997297
SA P-plate power restrictions aren't based on age restrictions. The power restrictions are if you hold a P1 (first year driving alone), or P2 (second and third year). If you're 25 or over you're exempt. Yes, the licensing has time requirements which as a consequence create an age-barrier if you will but the system doesn't give a shit that you're 18, it's because you hold a Provisional Drivers License.

If you're under 25 and hold a full license you can drive whatever you want.

Realistically SA's power restrictions are pretty lax. For a pre-2010 vehicle if it doesn't have a V8, forced induction, and isn't an M3 it's probably legal to drive. There are several 200-300hp cars that are P-plate legal in SA.

Is it ridiculous you that you can't drive a 100hp turbo i4 from twenty years ago? Sure. It's really not a big deal though.

>>14998387
>The fact there's not even driver competency tests for good drivers to progress faster is also pathetic.
There shouldn't be one either. The power restrictions aren't about being able to drive the car well around a track or through a defensive driving course.

>>14997218
Turbo diesels that aren't V8s are exempt in most states.

>>15001530
The bigger concern is how a self-driving car would work out certain situations. Eg the car is going to drive into a pole resulting in an accident that will probably be fatal. It can swerve and avoid to accident but there's a pack of children. Will it kill you or the children?

Future automobile felon reporting

>>14996781

He already got bought by rich Saudi Arabian sheiks and backtracked from the whole "Build a Wall/Fuck the Mexicans" rhetoric the moment he locked up the RNC nomination, so why not?

Also, I fully expect self-driving cars to be made mandatory by 2030 or so, and/or the US government to adopt Japan's bullshit "Old Car Taxes" to keep regular cars a rarity.

>>14997838
>he thinks his hydrogen will save him

nah they'll just send drones after you and the drones will fry your ass with high-powered lasers.

>>15001658
Fuel cell as in fuel tank w/protection.

>>15001567
Jesus fucking christ nobody gives a shit, you have fucking plate restrictions, fucking cuck. Youre restricted on what you can legally drive. Youre argument is invalid.

>>15002177
Several states in Australia have zero restrictions
Try again trip fag cunt rag

>>15002177
>you have fucking plate restrictions
License restrictions.

>You're restricted on what you can legally drive.
No I'm not. New drivers are.

>>15000407
>"Oh, I see people around my neighborhood riding horses from time to time. I'm sure there'll always be people like you around."
What a cunt.

>>14996207
>tfw because the industry laughed at some shmuck a few years ago he now has a hardon for destroying everything I hold dear

i aint even mad
he mad

>>14997437
>be me
>live in glorious american south as well
>not bankrupt so more cops

can confirm, regularly drive 60 through suburbs and have never gotten pulled over.
tho knowing where the cops are and when to tail someone going faster are a big part of that.
familiarity breeds contempt i guess

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>>14997392
nah. you need to apply for a special permit to drive your big boy car and the only acceptable excuse is that it's essential to your job.

>>15002940
>a turbocharged or supercharged engine that is not diesel powered
A 1.3L turbo diesel would be legal.

>>15001658
Anon, drones are banbed after the muhsojiny safe space act of 2030. Drones are too masculine and are extremely sexist, forcing their assertive patriarchal looks and actions upon the other oppressed electronics.

On the other hand, in sweden, ahmeds's fuckmywife service is half off on fridays, so you can get your weekly required cucktime over with.