V8 thread.

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>>14967081

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Sorry you have shit taste

>>14967081

Also suggestions for entry level v8s to get into a work on? Nothing with half of the motor hidden under the firewall please.

>>14967081
ONE OF US

ONE OF US

ONE OF US

ONE OF US

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>>14967081
Now you know.
If there's a v6 and a v8, you always buy the v8. The I4 might as well not exist.

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>>14967113
Foxbody/early SN95, the ones with the 5.0.

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>>14967081
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MT6AldEtelw


>>14967110
>inline 6
>Good

top kek come back when it's got conjoined twins.

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>>14967135
>>14967110
The Church demands you refrain from shitposting during mass.

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>>14967113
If you have the money you can get into a C5 Corvette

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>>14967081
welcome to the dark side

>>14967148
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rjr0PKrYw4U

I'm here with the V8 Cult as well senpai.

OP if you want to you can get into the good old coyote stangs and LS camaros and Corvettes.

Lots of aftermarket.

>>14967150

I've been really thinking of a c5 recently. Anyone here own one? How decent are they for dailying, I used to have miatas so not much space isn't an issue to me. Are they alright with such wide tires in very rainy weather?

>>14967135
>>14967148
>most available torque per cubic inch
Yeah, Americans really are retarded

>tfw you will never drive, let alone own a V8 because yuropoor

>>14967173
I've seen c5s with well over 100k.

>>14967173
pretty reliable and easy to work on from what it seems.

Can't talk about ownership personally but they last a long time.

>>14967173
Get a c4 much cheaper

>>14967135
The only I6 that doesn't deserve a conjoined twin is the GM Atlas I6.
>Powerful
>Reliable

V8s are king tho

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>>14967188
why you talking shit and wasting dubs? Shit has nothing to do with the layout of the engine, just volumetric efficiency

>>14967169
Don't post "top kek" if you want to keep a thread free of shitposters.

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>>14967081
Which country is the best for buying V8s? Their a dime a dozen over here in Ausland.

>>14967255
I'd have to say Burgerland just because Australia is split between I6s and V8s, whereas V8s are fucking everywhere in America.

>>14967255
seems like the ass of the world and the US are the best places followed by Europe as a distant second.

>>14967255
They're*
fuck

>>14967259
Except those countries with taxes based on engine displacement.

Germany is probably your best bet in yurop.

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V8 powered Aircraft.

>>14967340

oh bby
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaVsHuZqOrc

>>14967301
Because they're the only country, save for the brits that still make V8s in Europe

>Tfw the only V8 I got to drive was in a late '70s emissions-cucked 4600 lb landyacht so it was fucking slooooooow

>>14967081
From the thumbnail i thought those throttle bodies were the exposed Pistons. And i was about to say they look tiny as fuck, but then I opened the picture, and I'm retarded.

>>14967173
C5 cuck here. Can answer some questions if you want

>>14967150
My 99 pontiac trans am has the same engine and is much cheaper.

>>14967496
That feel when beat a highscooler in his 350z at half throttle


My trans am will do sub 5 sec 0-60 at 174k miles

>>14967488

Are they usually really hard to find manual or is it just my area? Hows the reliability been so far for you?

>>14967496
> Pontiac
It's gone Anon! Its DEAD! =/

I had driven a V8 before, it was a hemi in an automatic truck that I borrowed. It wasn't until I went to test drive a '14 Mustang GT with 420 hp and a 6 speed manual that I got a real taste of what it was like. I bought the car, and it has actually ruined the love I had for my motorcycle. My small cruiser is not a fast bike by any means, but it was the fastest thing I had ever owned. It feels like a turd now after tasting that sweet sweet V8

>>14967546
Only furthering the 4th gen T/A's status of being a modern classic

>>14967556
I like to treat my V8 like a triumph card, sorta like a last resort type ordeal. An embodiment of the term "it's time to bring out the big guns"

>>14967565
>not crusing in the LS1 all day getting 26 mpg hw and then stomping ricers when they think its a v6

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Hijacking this thread to request sleeper v8s/ cars you wouldn't expect to have a v8
Pic related, 4.0L oldsmobile aurora v8

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>>14967598
The not-actually-a-Supra also came with a veeate.

>>14967579
*in a very aerodynamic vette with a .5od transmission

>>14967637
In my 4th gen.

4l60e auto trans and 3.23 rear axle

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>>14967110
>>14967135


Holy shit look at all the bait in this thread

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>>14967546
:(

>inb4 commodore

>>14967564
>>14967732
I want a Pontiac, but i cant find any on socal at a decent price, or that arent rice d out with "sik mawdz"

>>14967521
Most you will see will have the 4l60e. Reliability has been great so far. Granted I've only owned it for 3 months so far but previous car was ls1 Camaro so it's been cheaper on the whole. I bought my c5z knowing a decent amount going in. There's a minor "vette tax" but maintenance is fairly cheap, everything is fairly accessible and I love being able to read codes off the dash on the fly. Other than normal v8 fees

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Welcome to the family, family

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>>14967851
Old pic of whip. Ended up getting ss spoiler. Full bolt ons, built 4l60e, 3600 stall. Fun as fuck to hoon

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>>14967860

SBC, yeah boi. It's a good platform.

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>>14967565
>a triumph card

>>14967748
I bought that one five years ago. I was living in southern california and bought it in PA.

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>>14967919
Give me more information on that thing. Is it yours?

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>>14967610
forgetting something?
1996-1999 Ford Taurus SHO
>Yamaha built 3.4L DOHC 32 valve V8

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>>14968928
Also. The Pontiac Bonneville GXP got a 4.6L Northstar.

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>>14968935
The Buick LaCrosse Super got a 5.3L LS4 V8. Fastest Buick built since the GNX.

The Buick LuCerne Super is on the right. That also got a 4.6L Cadillac Northstar V8

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>>14968882

355
Weiand 144 10 rib
Comp Cams Xtreme Marine 268 grind. Good little blower cam.
601 heads done over.
Crane roller rockers.

Good fun man but the car its in, not so much. RHD Trans Am with a chassis made of wet noodles. Was fun to build and it was a good project for a few friends to get introduced to the insides of engines (and introduce beer to the insides of ourselves) but I'm really all about my Supra now.

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>>14967081
Welcome to the dark side, OP. V8 is love, V8 is life.

>>14967565
I know this feel.If I downshift mine too quick,it backfires due to it's cam timing being advanced.It just rumbles along,rarely take it past 50 unless a ricer at a stoplight revs at me.

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>>14968954
>roots blower
nigga, you could have gotten a twin screw or TVS and made more power while keeping intake temps down.

>>14967134
Unmodified foxbodies are weak as fuck nigga.

dumb question since i've never personally owned a v8. I'm assuming that compared to a typical 4 banger sports car, the v8 will cost more to insure? After driving a C63 AMG I just want to be witnessed and ride to valhalla

>>14969696
Source?

>>14967081
what v8 ?
most of the idolised ones are just a fart of torque with no top end

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>>14969031

I am very happy with the combo I put together. It gave me access to a huge amount of low end torque with a six speed transmission. I kept the blower cool with water and denatured alcohol through a nitrous spray plate which also seals the gap between the rotor tip and the blower case when things are getting hot up top at high speed.

Coulda should woulda man it was stonking, on to turbo engines for fun now.

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>>14967195
feel bad for you breh

>>14969861
>The grapes are sour, guise!

>>14969886
nice assumption
305 to 427 ci v8 is nothing odd
and 488 + in some drag cars
its just boring to me now

lmfao at sub 200 ci v8s and sub 100 ci v16s
even more pointless than rotors

I have 25k was going to get a gti newish. for the money, what can I get with a v8 instead? that's comfortable, smooth and that v8 power

>>14970093
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2003/02/volkswagon-passat-w8/

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>>14967195
seems like you are just poor m8
or you shell out money for the wrong things. You have to get your priorities straight.

>>14967135
goodbye gearbox

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>>14970321
>not installing a T56 with your LS Swap

it's like you're new to this

>>14967885
Gday from Australia, mate

>>14967081
Wait until you try a V12

>>14970492
Sadly they're dying off. Maybe they'll live on as twin turbo 5.XL or smaller engines but weight and fuel consumption and eurocuck law are killing them

>>14967259
>followed by Europe
more like the Middle East, South America and THEN eurocuck

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>>14967113
>suggestions for entry level v8s to get into a work on

Hey i got the perfect ide-

>Nothing with half of the motor hidden under the firewall please.

N-nevermind.

>>14967748
Tejas is yo fwiend.

>>14970446
fellow aussie reporting in

actually experienced the same as OP, bought an ls1 commodore recently
the way the front lifts on acceleration, the way you can smoothly and calmly drive it while overtaking everyone and not hitting 3000rpm, the noise when you do

it's fukken amazing

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>>14967113
if you want a v8 to work on, set your sights to cheap. if you want to work on a v8, buy an engine crane and do it properly. dont mess around just swapping spark plugs. unless you love torturing yourself and think it will be fun to do all the work by just performing some kind of soduku taking ages slightly shifting things to access everything from driveshaft seals to rear main seals to con rods or whatever.

>>14967255
only in sydney and melbourne.
I am heading down to sydney for a holiday just to buy some lebs junker.

I get it but I like all V8's! attitude is retarded.
I'd rather have the best i4, best i6, best v6, best v8, best v10, etc. rather than just fan-girling that every iteration of a single engine layout is superior to everything.

>>14969031
with the price of your soul too. Twinscrew is like 5 times the price

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>>14970577
I view it as complexity vs capacity
5 litre inline 4 seem like a good idea ?

>>14970577
waste of dubs.
the reason these faggots love the v8s is because the chevy small block, large blocks and LS1 engines are the longest running engine ever produced. various iterations of them have been produced for 50+years. this means old boomer faggots were tuning them before you were born and still are. this means that there's a large market for aftermarket parts and everyone who works on these engines knows them and they're proven to be reliable powerhouses. little has changed such that they have a large array of aftermarket parts, some companies only make parts that specfically fit these engines. so if you want to boost it, there's a bolt on kit. if you want glass rocker covers, there's a kit for it. if you want any part for it, it's still around and fairly cheap. this is why the performance market caters to them. because they're so widely available and widely worked on. its not just a hurr durr nostalgia. you can easily reach 700hp+ using just bolt on kits.

faggots will however never talk about this because they like to pretend that they're hurr durr tuning magician custom job when they just assembled it like lego. but if you want a performance vehicle that doesnt cost over 100k, this is the way to get it.

>>14970597
the smaller the combustion chambers, the faster the acceleration. 1.25L/piston is basically a tractor.

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>>14970603

>>14970603
This assumes you only want high hp and live in a certain part of the world.

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>>14970610
>basically a tractor
it's like you've never been in a sports car from the 1930s

>>14970633
well I have seen people buy smartcars. never seen anyone buy one to work on them though.

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>>14970633
True. Remember when i was all into the dagumi 10 years ago. But everytime i got on any sort of highway, which there are a lot of here, you begin to feel like a cuck since you have no ass to pull away or pass anything. I stopped being into tuner shit when a crew cab ford smoked my ass.

Neber ageen.

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>>14970720
shiny and chrome
>tfw 120 mph is boring

>>14967195
>tfw yuro and driving a V8
I think it's even more glorious to drive one here then it is in the US.

>>14969031
Nigga, TVS = Roots.

>not owning both a turbo v6 and a v8

>>14970186
I'm poor as all fuck, that's what I was implying.

>>14970524
>eurabia
>not basically middle east

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One of us, one of us, ONE OF US

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Muh little 5.7

anyone do N/A shit?

I want to go ham on a DDR GT8 kit

lol

Go drive a turbo V8.

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>>14969696
>>14969790
135hp 5.0l reporting in

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>>14972362
Jesus Christ, that's about what Mazda got out of an NA 1.8l V6 in the 90s.

>>14972372
Yuppp. Just saving funds now for a 4bbl swap.

Would like to one day be at 300hp

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>>14972362
150hp 5.0L "muscle" car checking in

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>>14972372
emissions and tech, the late 70s and 80s rekt muh v8 with emissions. your 1.8l v6 was likely ohc and had a decent efi. and the compression ratios on older v8s is often in the 8.?? where the 90s saw a leap in metallurgy tech/ drop price allowing manufacturers to run higher ratios in the 9.5-1 and up range from the factory. so yeah stock for stock your v6 is better but with similar efforts that 5.0l will respond better to the mods.

oh and whats the tq rating on the 1.8l?

V8s are boring tho

get some taste

>>14972565
Your mom's boring but I still like to fuck her

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>>14972392
my nigga, got a 1960 ranchero with a 302 swap.
holley intake i ported the shit out of, edlebrock 1406 vaccume secondary, msd 6al and billet dizzy with adjustable curve. Cant fit and headers in the engine bay sadly, one day ill make them fit... Its probably about 200-220 hp now but lots of torque. attached to a c4 trans and a 8 inch rear end with the godly 2.79 ratio for maximum lolz

>>14967195
mate, old vee-ate mercs, bmws and audis are dime a dozen

>>14972421
80s regulations that choked engines checking in.

>>14972569
v8fags confirmed for 12

>>14967081
Welcome.

My EJ207 at 20psi felt like rusty asshole compared to a bone stock LS7. There is no comparison. V8 > Turbo 4

>>14972552
That MX-3 made 115 lb-ft, and all the power is at the top of the rev range. It's a little fucking screamer, that thing.

And yeah, I know a lot of V8s were gimped by smog-related bullshit.

On a side note, I saw an old landbarge cruising down the road today, that thing had an awesome rumble.

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My old 302 with a new 4bbl.

>>14972591
Ha, I've got a 2.26 rear end

>>14972598
V8s can make you feel like a kid again

I've bought a 1997 Audi B5 A4 2.8 Quattro for £400
And an Audi A8 4.2 for £700

That V8 is going into the A4, and I'm gonna put ITBs and zoomies on it, just watch.

>>14972872
TIMING CHAINS
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ah fuck it, you know this by now.

>>14972884
The original 4.2 V8 (ABZ) has belts

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>>14967598
Buick Lucerne with the northstar v8

>>14967081
Sounds like you like a wide torque curve.

>>14972421
This guy here again. Guys at work found a weiand supercharger for 2500 that would fit my chevy 305. What would happen if I bolted it on?

>>14973151
Your pistons would shoot right through your block

>>14973163
Why is that? Sorry I'm still learning about cars. It wouldn't matter that it's rated specifically for a 305?

do you like audi s5? (v8 model)

>>14973197
You need supporting mods before you add the supercharger

>>14973163
>>14973244
Not necessarily.
Depends on CR and timing.

>>14973269
Why would he spend $2500 for like a 30-50hp gain? He could but a whole Iroc 350 for that

>>14973295
because he's dumb? why are you arguing against a strawman.

>>14972775
>2.26 rear end
forwhatpurpose.jpg

>>14973295
No your right man I'd be better off building a 350 in my garage and supercgarging that. I was just curious about something I could do right now instead of a year down the line

>>14973345
If you want to do something now, look into making your rear end stronger and get like 3.55s or something while you're at it.

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>>14972421
>>14972362
190hp, soon to be ~400

>>14973345
I mean you could but a whole second car with a 350 already in it for about that price then you could have two cars that are basically the same but you could set one up for DD and another for balls out, plus always have one to fall back onto if there was a breakdown and at worst one would become a parts car for the other.

>>14973344
3 speed trans and 2.26's for the highway mileage, bro.

>tfw can barely spin the tires

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>>14973344
Muh highway mileage with a 3 speed auto trans bruh

>tfw can barely spin the tires

>>14973604
No it won't be, unless you pulled the whole motor and turned it into a stroker or put something else in it.

The argument I always use is that it takes my near 5,000lb full time 4wd V8 SUV 6.5 seconds from 0-60, and your 4banger that's 2,000 pounds lighter takes longer.
NA V8 OP.
NA V8.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSSXn-mPAuU

>>14974252
4runner's weigh like 3000 thousand pounds you fucking retard.

>>14974318
4,505lbs for a 2007 SR5 4WD V8. Add me and all the shit I have in the damn thing, and you're at about 4,800.
You fucking retard.
https://www.google.com/search?q=2007+SR5+4wd+V8+4runner+curb+weight&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

>>14974362
4800 is not near 5000, if so my penis is near 37 inches long. Kill yourself, or learn basic math.

>>14974362
>>14974425
>>14974318
>>14974252


4chan, leaders on the internet of I'M NOT WRONG YOU ARE

back to V8s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQ_iElSvmG4

>>14974438
LS7's are shit, as are LS1's. If I wanted my car to catch on fire at 4500 rpm I'd make it out of wood and magnesium.

>>14974450
Seems like you're mistaken, you're talking about lamborghinis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8mapTmxB20

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>>14974464
>eurocucks will defend this

>>14974425
>I'm off by 200 pounds
>"YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW MATH WORKS, KILL YOURSELF!
>You're off by 1,800 pounds
Don't get mad at me when you get proven wrong after you speak out of you're gaping, cum dripping asshole faggot.

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>>14974167
That's exactly what I'm doing....

>>14975001
Why not get better heads like AFR or Trickflow?

is the deck thick enough?

>>14975026
Cause they're expensive? These ones are fine, vortecs are commonly swapped and AFR/Tricks don't get much more gain for similar measurements as compared to the vortecs

>>14975026
Also nothing has been done to the deck, just bored .060 over

>>14972552
shit was running 13/1 before the lead got taken out

>>14967400
I feel ya
father owns a 71 dart with a 318LAV8 it has loads of torque but dam is it slow

>>14974252
mfw ~5600lb LX470 with the older 4.7 does 0-60 in more like 9 seconds

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>>14972421
This guy here again, found a 350 short block on Craigslist for 350 dollars literally in my city. What do u guys think? Would a noob with basic wrench turning skills be able to rebuild this?

https://orangecounty.craigslist.org/pts/5559938181.html

>>14976382
get the block CNC'd and port the heads, change the internals and that should be it really.

>>14976382
You need to set real goals for what you mean by rebuild? Keep it stock? Upgrade? Budget? What parts would you upgrade?

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who /m113/ here?

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>>14976410
>>14976562

This guy again, but rebuild I mean upgrade for performance within the realm of keeping it smog and streetable. I found this engine on. CL For 700$ apparently already completed, what do you think?

https://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/

Why doesn't Honda make v8's anymore

>>14977191
>Why doesn't Honda make v8's anymore
>Honda
>V8's
>anymore

they never did any outside of racing, it would be "too risky a business move"

>>14977180
Le 500$ and an afternoon maymay

>>14977212
Thats also pretty fucked logic from their end. They can reasonably expect to get into the half-ton truck market or make a real full-size luxury car with out a V8

>>14967110
underrated post

>>14967125
Nope, I have an ecoboost and people who are going big turbo are doing up to 800hp when fully built

>>14979316
They're sticking to their SOHC 3.5L V6s.

Honda is stubborn as fuck, Toyota would've been the same way if the CEO wasn't based as fuck.