/o/ hates BRZ

The engine isn't very good or fun. It has a weird torque dip and sounds like a broken vacuum cleaner with a exhaust. And it could've stood to get another 20hp or be $2000 cheaper (I honestly feel if it did people would change their mind by a lot)

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People like /o/ whined for years about how nobody made simple, cheap, low-powered sports cars like they did in the 80's and 90's. Then someone finally made one and it was underwhelming, just like the cars they idolized.

>>14964067
torque dip? wat

It's a poser car.
I see mostly Chinese girls and fuccbois driving the automatic in my area.

>>14964139
Uneven power band, Car looses torque through the mid rpms

Personally I like the GT86, don't care for the BRZ. I wish it was solely a toyota project and didn't have subura's meme engine it

>>14964045
I like it, I just wish it had a conventional straight 4.
But damn do UEL headers sound good.

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>>14964185
>But damn do UEL headers sound good.

Because for a bit more money you could get a 370Z or you could buy a used 350Z and use the savings for upgrades and maintenance.

Because I don't want it eating all of my oil.

>why does 4chan dwellers hate things
/o/ hates cars, /v/ hates vidya, /tv/ hates movies... It's a given.
And to be honest, brz is a brilliant car. Manual only

i got a car with more than 200 tq

>>14964045
Saw a stanced one the other day. It looked really cool and had a nice exhaust system. That's the problem though, it's all bark. If it wasn't gutless, /o/ would love it. And honestly, you wouldn't get any replies other than that simple explanation but you intentionally wrote your post to be as unintelligent and inflammatory as possible.

Honestly though I've probably seen this exact same thread 100+ times and it's really just indicative of the low level pointless discussion this board has. Nobody talks about car news beyond an extremely basic level. It's just people with extremely limited knowledge like op babbling about topics they don't know/really care about for the (You)'s. To top it off, people get extremely bitchy and mean to each other over ehat amounts to dick waving over your favorite color. This really is the worst board.

>>14964045
Heavy car with low output 4 banger.

It looks nice though.

>>14964197
Fuck off Nissan shill

>>14964296
He's not wrong though. A 350Z or 370Z is a massive step-up from the BRZ.

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>>14964301
In what way, besides power?

Why would anyone buy a 370z when you could have a c6 corvette? It weighs less, handles better, and makes way more power stock and modified

At least you can buy a brz for 24k new with an lsd. The base Z is 29k and doesn't even have an lsd.

Not to mention the fucking awful interior

>>14964045
/o/ can't afford them. /o/ is jealous.

>>14964407
Not the anon you're talking to, but in my area a good clean 350z with under 100k odo is about 8500 in my area. Even if I buy one and put a retarded 10 grand into the thing it's still 8k cheaper than the BRZ and with 10k in work to it, it will assuredly blow the doors off most things on the road if I wanted to hoon it like a shit head.

I don't know why people continue to think that it's just because the thing is slow in a straight line. It isn't just about that. There are now better cars, for the same price, that are faster in a straight line AND handle better.

The ND Miata, the Ecoboost Mustang, and hell even the new four pot Camao outperform the GT86 in EVERY way, not just ONE way.

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>>14964524
Why not just buy a miata for 1k and drop in an ls1 for an additional $500?

>>14964534
Not everyone wants a 2 seater convertible for their DD though.

The mustang is 1000lbs heavier than the 86, not really in the same class imo.

I wouldn't mind test driving the new camaro though. I've sat in one and it still feels really fucking big.

should come with a stock turbo desu

as it stands, BRZ is cool but Miata and Mustang both do the job better

>>14964580

Weight doesn't exist in a vacuum though. Horsepower and weight balance each other out. A fighter jet weighs a fuckton but it can also maneuver like almost nothing else.

>>14964045
Because I'm a torque junkie and refuse to buy a car with less than 300 horsepower. Deal with it.

>>14964580
>The mustang is 1000lbs heavier than the 86, not really in the same class imo.
The sad part is that it is faster in all respects. You are right. The 86 is not in as high of a class.

>>14964045
it the 240sx of this age

and a lot of us cant afford it and those of us who can want something better.

that being said i will one day pick one up used when they sell for 10-15k and keep it in a buble and sell it to the newer edgy kids for a shit load of money

>i know what i got.

>>14964662
Cant tell me that the mustang handles better than the 86

>>14964407
>370z when you could have a c6 corvette?
For a DD, I do think that the Vette will be better. That lift hatch has a surprising amount of room since it doesn't have a rear brace running through it like the Z cars. Also I think the clutch is a bit more forgiving.

>Not to mention the fucking awful interior
370 improved much on the 350's horrendous interior. Pretty much every used 350 I look at has significant black paint chipping in all the same spots. Terrible job from Nissan.

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>>14964626
Did you just compare a 4 cylinder mustang to a fighter jet?

>>14964662
If I wanted a fast car I wouldn't have bought an 86 in the first place m8. If I could do it over again, I would still buy an 86 over an ecoboost, regardless of spec sheets.

>>14964703
>I wasn't even trying to go fast guys
So you enjoy being a poser?

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>>14964045
half of /o/ doesn't own a car and/or a licence
think of this before you take this board seriously ever again

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>>14964738
I just like driving desu.

Anyone can buy/mod a fast car. It takes time to become a fast driver though. Have you ever been to a track in your life anon?

>>14964780
You realize there are different styles of driving? Right anon?
I get it, you like to track your slow car. Some people enjoy modding cars to make them faster, be it for drag or just for hectic skids.

>>14964045
The only thing I don't like is the lack of power for it's styling and the weird torque curve. If it had a normal torque curve and say, 250 HP, it'd be the perfect car.

>>14964149
>>14964185

Yeah, a regular I-4 would have made it fan-fucking-tastic.

>>14964780
>It takes time to become a fast driver though. Have you ever been to a track in your life anon?
Lol. Nobody here is trying to become a professional racecar driver. Calm your autism.

>>14964534
>And handle better
u w0t?

>>14964045
It's to sports cars what nerf is to guns.
It's not inherently bad and is fun in its own way and has potential to modify it quite a bit, but out of the box it's the pretend version of the real deal.

>>14964961
>It's to sports cars what airshit is to guns.

Fixed your analogy.

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light,rwd,cheap,notamiata, inb4 other used cars i should have gotten i wanted something new that hasn't been beat to shit.People complain about the price but it's really not that much considering what miatas and civic si's cost.350z is a very good option if you don't mind a used car beat to piss.Luckily i have nice backroads to enjoy and have zero regrets, you fags will be praising this car in 15 years when they are mostly salvaged like 240's and dirt cheap

>>14964045
I distinctly remember /o/ being over the moon with the BRZ when it first came out. I guess the novelty has faded.

>be me
>live in college town
>everyone's parents bought the meme car for them
>I drive e46 325 with intake and suspension, otherwise stock
>walk away from everyone I see
>have 6k total invested in car

Feels good

>>14965059
yet your jealousy remains

>>14965059
>everyone's parents bought the meme car for them
sad but true, so many fuccboi owners

>>14965077
What am I jealous of exactly?

>>14965077
>the brplz is a better performance vehicle than an e46 with upgraded suspension
The circle jerk around these cars is hilarious

>>14965059
>everyone's parents bought the meme car for them

fixed

>everyone spent their financial aid money on financing a shit car for 7 years

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>>14964842
>Some people enjoy modding cars to make them faster, be it for drag or just for hectic skids.
I understand that. Obviously someone looking for drag isn't going to buy an 86.

>>14964946
I don't have to be a professional to want to try and improve my skills. Luckily I'm less than 3 hours from 3 of the best tracks in California.

>>14965139
Too bad you have a car that limits your ability to become faster at those tracks

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>>14965139
Getting a BRZ to take to the track seems like a demonstration in futility.

Don't get me wrong, it's an attractive looking car, and probably goes over well with girls in braces.. But so do windowless vans.

>>14964045
People probably hate it more and more since people keep making this same exact thread.

>>14965139
What organization are you doing trackdays with?

>>14965182
/ovg/

>>14965182
He's not, he's just trying to justify owning one. 5 years from now when he's still making payments on his meme tier shitbox he might have actually tracked it, but he hasn't yet.

>>14964045
because /o/ is full of poorfags and benchracers

>>14964045
because faggots like >>14965139 exist

Why does it draw in such fucking faggots?

>>14965289
Because their parents are the ones footing the bill

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>>14965289
>likes to drive
>enjoys going to the track
>labeled a faggot.
I wouldn't expect anything less on /o/.

>>14965312
Nice try. I own a house and garage my car. Can you say the same?

>>14965362
Are you trying to samefag?
At least change up your filenames faggot.

You know what don't even bother responding to me because I won't even see your faggot reply. I win. Later faggot.

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>>14965453
Here is your reply.

Double nigger

>>14965453
>I won't even see your faggot reply. I win. Later faggot.
/o/ in a nutshell

>>14965453
>plugs ears
>can't hear you
>i win

Are you old enough to post on this website?

Too little hp for its weight. Too expensive for its performance.
Very good potential. Make small change and have great sales.

>>14965526
>Too expensive for its performance
that's a Civic SI

>>14965362
I can, in fact I own 3 cars. The aforementioned e46 that walks away from these memes, a scout ii, and an e30 that I dd. Wife and I own a house with 2 car garage, and I have a shop with a bay door out back that the e46 lives in. Sorry you drive a meme bro

>>14965593
le superior bimmer man

>>14965602
>owning manufacturer specific tools
>knowing how to wrench on your own cars because you drive mutiple models of the same brand
People think this is a bad thing?

>>14965644
where did i say working on cars was bad thing?

>>14965655
You made it seem like he was an asshole for owning two bmws

>>14965680
but he is an asshole, what he owns is just the icing on the cake

>>14964045
Should have had a turbo

>>14965712
price would be 30k+ and you would still be bitching about cost

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>>14965150
That's why most tracks are filled with miatas right?

>>14965182
Ncrc

>>14965234
Infineon and thunderhill. Next is Laguna seca

>>14965593
>Brags about being faster than a stock 86
You're not very bright, are you?

Also, I'm pretty sure the e30 is one of the original meme cars.

>>14965734
>in a 12 year old stock 325

>>14965734
>most tracks are filled with miatas right?
Citation needed.

>>14965734
It was a meme for a reason. These were all hype that underwhelmed everyone except morons who financed them

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>>14965760
Negro, my bone stock srt4 ran high 13s, faster than your stock bimmer from the same year. What is your point?

>>14964271
I've been browsing here a year, and yes, you are right.

>>14965765
Miata is easily the most common car for non competitive track days. Never seen a stock BRZ/FRS at one, but I haven't been to any econo point by days with 100 cars at a time on the track

>>14964271
I wouldn't say it's the worst board. If you go to other boards, it's basically the exact same thing but the topics/details are different. Lots of posturing, shitposting, ignorance, some posters that know what they are talking about, and a bunch of idiots.

>>14964090
A BRZ is more like a well tuned version of the 80s shitboxes though, apart from the tires.

>>14964271
the problem is most owners are fags that would rather spend money on rocketbunny kits that cost 5k and stancing their shit, instead of adding a supercharger or turbo and better tires

>>14964045
There isn't anything inherently wrong with the car itself. It's an issue with the drivers. Most of the ones my age I've come across treat it like a WRX, trying to race people at the lights and belting out of the McDonalds drive-thru in a failed bid to impress the slag taking orders.

The older ones bought it as their midlife crisis car. I guess top trim Commodores and Falcons have too many doors for them.

>>14964090
>tfw no clean 180SX to fuck up

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>>14965863
You could say that for the majority of enthusiast cars though. It's easier to make your car look fast than make it actually perform better.

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>>14965987
fuckman just why, they wanna do that just do it to a civic or volkswagen. That car looks like it just came from collision, let alone these poorly constructed widebody kits straight out a scrapyard

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>>14965987
>offensive fitment

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>>14965987
>You could say that for the majority of enthusiast cars though.

majority of miata owners are pretty cool though.

>>14965734
>That's why most tracks are filled with miatas right?

because miata's can be pretty quick. it's sooooo easy to turbo an NA/NB miata. And it being so lightweight you don't wear out your consumables that fast.

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>>14964045
It's basically a modern 944S2.

Fun to drive on curvy roads.

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>>14966030
>majority of miata owners are pretty cool though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TPg0Qwj5vA

I got mine cause I liked it

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>>14966034

nah, it's more like a modern 240sx

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>>14966038

i said majority, not all

>>14965009
No, it's just the masses started to like them which means it wasn't hip to like it anymore by /o/'s standards.

>>14965150
You're a total retard for saying something like this.

Its just a dumb meme

>>14965863
To be fair if you super/turbo charge an 86 you'd need new tires as well. Those stock tires are absolute garbage.

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>>14964139
cuz this

>>14964630
So how's that turbodiesel treating you?

>>14964626
A fighter jet is actually massive shit at maneuvering. Its turn radius is measured in miles. If you go to WW2 prop fighters, those could turn on a dime. They also weigh a lot less.

>>14966147
>Those stock tires are absolute garbage.

I always see people saying this but never giving reasons as to why.

What's so bad about the Toyobaru's stock tires? This is a serious question.
I mean performance-wise. Merely saying that they are Prius tires without any other info means nothing.

>>14966182
Look up the stats on the Michelin Primacy HP.

>>14966155
A 1.8t has more power

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>>14966030
because miata's can be pretty quick. it's sooooo easy to turbo an NA/NB miata. And it being so lightweight you don't wear out your consumables that fast

Modified 86s can be fast. Not to mention the are already 3 different FI options available that are all CARB legal.

And consumables are cheap

And you can bring 4 extra wheels and a jack in your trunk without needing a trailer.

And you don't need to weld in a rollbar

>>14965362
>likes to drive
>enjoys going to the track
>labeled a faggot.
>I wouldn't expect anything less on /o/.
It's really sad that you can't comprehend why we are calling you a faggot.

You really don't understand that your car is just about at the bottom of the performance pecking order do you?

You really don't understand that after you spend a year in it learning RWD it is time to sell it and move up but you can't because you took out a loan or financed it.

You really don't understand you are paying an absolute premium for the first step in learning how to drive, to the detriment of ever being able to afford to progress past that step.

Do you now understand why you are appear as a flaming homo to people with IQs over 80?

>>14966432
I know that diesel bus engines get moar torks but that's no reason to hate on the poor fella. Ask your driver to rev for two next time.

>>14966432
It becomes a question of pushing the car to the absolute limit vs switching to a higher-limit car. An 86 isn't a horrible car to stay with, he can fit it with good tires and brakes, fiddle with the suspension, massage the engine a little bit, etc.

It will teach him how to get the absolute most out of his car. Dagumi vs Nakazato.

>>14966432
You're an embarrassment to /o/ please fuck off back to /r9k/ or whatever shit board you came from.

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>>14966350
>And you don't need to weld in a rollbar

you'll want a cage regardless of whatever you're tracking.

From what I've seen F/I 86's are a major pain on a track without spending a shit ton of money, not surprising really considering their engines.

>>14966472
If you push the car to the limit consistently for a year, it is going to run out of things to teach you. If you start fiddling in it you begin to complicate the learning equation (is the car doing that because of my driving style or because of changes I made to it?). The most difficult part of teaching yourself to drive fast is keeping the changes to an absolute minimum so you can focus deeply on individual changes and understand by themselves, with out interference from other changes.

>>14966473
Thanks for reminding me you confused idiots are a complete waste of my time.

>>14966538
That's why you go slowly, in small increments, one at a time with tuning, and you only start tuning after you've gotten good at driving. That being said, good brakes that won't overheat and good tires should be done before attempting to fix the nut behind the wheel.

>>14966552
>brakes that wont overheat
>tires that are softer than plastic
It doesn't already come with those? What do you get for 26k?

>>14967348
Like every production car that's not a track day special, cheap brakes designed for longevity but not necessarily performance, and tires designed for longevity.

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>>14966432
I make 100k annually. I think I will be OK.

>>14966483
Jackson racing supercharged 86s have been proven on the track consistently and reliably.

>>14966538
It's not like I'm going to the track every weekend. It will take me several years to reach the limits of this car after everything is said and done.

Traded my 15 in for an sti. I enjoyed the cars looks but that clutch and bipolar transmission.. Plus it was pretty slow, and the corners I took fast and thought it was awesome I take with the sti almost just as fast. There really is no redeeming quality to that car looking back. It snowed for 3 days and I had to borrow my step dads truck across town to go to work. Almost bought my own truck but just went for the awd subie again.

>>14966538
Post car or fuck off.

>>14967559
Theres also a guy I see around online who has a dedicated track 450whp turbo FRS on e85. He hasn't had any issues and is still on stock internals. You really need a vented hood to track with FI, the only problem is I find them so tacky.

>>14964045
Personally, I don't hate the car. It is what it is. I mostly hate the owners who come to /o/ and get offended when anons list off the flaws of the BRZ, can't admit that the car has any flaws, and then begin to flame the people who are responding in the way requested. It's happened again and again, why are BRZ owners so self-concious of the car they drive? Why don't you all just accept the criticism, lol at the faggots not driving a car, and move on? No reason to respond to every anon with a criticism.

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>>14967730
>No reason to respond to every anon with a criticism.

What else am I going to do on /o/?

Plus, I need to dump all my 86 pictures somewhere right?

>>14967792
No need to dump your pictures here buddy, sign up for instagram like the rest of the BRoZ and get a sikk banner for your windshield and dump them there.

>>14964045
It's a meme, you dip

>>14966182
Its a tire made for a Prius. To get the best gas mileage its a very hard compound which makes it shit for handling.

looks like a retarded 350z

>>14964045
Because most of /o/ consist of benchracers that can't afford one anyway. I almost think 4chan should have accounts with the ability to post anonymous to get retards banned

>>14968047
They should also have a karma system and all the best threads can be infinitely upvoted to keep the cream near the top.

>oh wait
>>>/r/cars

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>>14964933
Yeah I agree.

They already had a pretty nice one too, the 2zz-ge from the Celica/Elise.

All they had to do was to increase the displacement and adjust the second cam engagement point. That would have made the 86 easily on par with a s2000.

But no, they had to make a flat engine cuz muh low center of gravity.

>>14968077
Because you TOTALLY have to have both.

Quite frankly I wish we could ban everyone who didn't have a car. There's a few 4chan boards where forced account names would be very handy.

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>>14968129

tfw they could have used the 2.0L turbo from the NX 200t

It almost seems silly that they partnered with Subaru of all people and chose to not use a turbo.

A shame, really, it almost was the savior.

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>>14967808
Can I do both?

>not having enough torque to have any real fun

its like a corolla with RWD

>but thats what it was

in the 80's.

>>14964045
Because of the disappointment.

How many people were looking forward to a subaru that looked good (wrx's still look like shit and you all know it) and was fast and fun?

Then they toss in an underpowered engine and give no turbo option.

>>14968595
Good, let them depreciate and I'll make like Bunta hisself and wait for the right price to come along.

>>14964626
Also fighters are only maneuverable because they are built unstable. Turn off those computers and the drop to the ground

>>14967730
The problem is that everything gets way overblown.

>the car could use a bit more power
Fine
>top kek slowbaru owners slower than a minivan cuckolds lolololol
Not fine.

Also it's annoying to see /o/ praise the miata and shit on the 86.

Hell, I don't even own one, I just like having another option in the miata's niche.