Tesla P100D

>$95k

That.

>>14922329
That's actually with zero options too, like shittiest seats, lights and colors. But that's the price with the best AWD engine so...

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>>14922326
>>range 305 per charging(charge time est. 30-45 mins)
If I strap a single 20l fuel can to my 50ccm scooter I can probably outspeed this guy overland.
>mfw

>>14922353
They are trying, Musk said they want an average speed of 65 MPH. So in like 2-3 years, going 65 MPH will allow the battery to recharge itself at a ratio of 1:1 meaning if you don't go above 65 MPH you get unlimited mileage per charge.

>>14922365
I mean you can do it now with current model Tesla, a person managed to drive from San Diego to Las Vegas going like 35 MPH.

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>>14922365
But my scooter averages 65mph when I pull out the limiters... And refueling takes like a minute.
I'm not seeing the price tag as very justified bro.

>>14922326

The Apple-tier faggots buying it.

>>14922365
>going 65 MPH will allow the battery to recharge itself at a ratio of 1:1 meaning if you don't go above 65 MPH you get unlimited mileage per charge
huh?

>>14922365
>Musk said he's going to create a perpetuum mobile

and I thought EV faggots were clever

>>14922365
>unlimited mileage per charge
So drive for free? Awesome!

>>14922365

>They are trying

To do what, break the laws of physics? I'm no physicist but even I know unlimited mileage per charge is beyond fucking retarded and impossible.

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I kinda want /o/, what's wrong with me?

-posted from my Retina MacBook Pro

>>14922410
No, I mean you will still waste energy getting to that speed. However if you are cruising at that speed it shouldn't be using any of its own reserve power unless of course you brake or have to go up hill.

>>14922419
>what it thermal energy created by friction
>what is windage

>>14922419

Oh so because it's a Tesla it no longer requires energy to move it's self forwards????

>>14922419
Huh? Nigger, Newton's Laws are fine and all but we're not in space here. On Earth, you're forgetting air resistance, roll resistance and mechanical resistance from all the shitty construction. The EV will never run a zero sum game, not with all the regenerative braking in the world. You're basically describing a Perpetuum Mobile, and those don't exist.

>>14922419
i still don't get it
you'll always be using power to maintain that speed
unless you're driving in space or something

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>>14922414
Me too. Congrats, you are not a fag.

>>14922390
Fuck your scooter to be honest family.
Get your head out of your ass.

>>14922497
Only if you manage to pull yours out from Elon's. Just kidding, that particular shade of brown looks great on your nose.

Things wrong with tesla:
>no sufficient cooling system for the battery means all it can do is drag race
The car can do with a radiator system or passive cooling with a new grid design.
>dead mushy steering
Even if its fast and can drive on the highway, the steering feels like a fucking golf cart. Fix this Tesla, hire someone from Germany and fix this.
>Appleshit of cars
No we do not want fucking stupid Apple gimick words, or inventing a need that doesn't exist. We want an electric car that drives like a real car.
>iPhone/iPad non-changeable battery pack
Overall its a nice first effort, but its lack of upgradability/repairability hinders its future prospect. There has been no car in the world were if your gas tank is broken you ended up having to buy a whole new car or pay 35k to change. MAKE the battery cheaper and easier to change.

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this is literally you if you drive an electric car holy shit leave this board you fucking green nu male cuck envirosperg

tesla was so cool he was much better than edison and i'm a unique snoeflake for liking him he was so jnderrated even though there are entire leddit cults, guns cars and probably mangos named after him

and his name was nicole

a man named nicole

do us all a favor and kys

>>14922866
Something in this thread seems to have triggered you, please go to your safe space.

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>>14922886
you're literally trying to make this your safe space by removing people who you disagree with you dumb shit

why are you on a car board if you like electricuck mobiles and reddit

>>14922766
The battery's basically a structural element. This makes the car overall lighter than a car that was designed to switch out the battery pack but, well, you can't readily switch out the battery. These are the kinda design decisions that you base the car around. I don't think any mainline Tesla will ever have changeable battery packs.

>>14922866
>>14922921
How's middle school going? When'd you discover 4chan and start parroting the super hilarious party line?

>>14922921
Because its a car...
>>14922935
Its still dumb considering their competitors have switchable battery packs.

>>14922935
Whatever happened to the battery swap technology musk promised? I thought that was rad

>>14922954
What competitiors?

>>14922963
>Whatever happened to the battery swap technology
It turns out that ferrying a bunch of heavy batteries around the country burns a lot of diesel fuel.

>>14922326
it costs too much for the average poor fag on /k/

since they can never own it they will fabricate a million reasons why it sucks that dont actually exist

>>14922965
Nissan and Chevy.

>>14922365

Energy can not be created or destroyed, only transfered. Lay off of that crack rock.

Signed:
Chrysler-piloting nig-nog in his driving Timbs

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>>14922326
>paying $95k for muh novelty thing
>not waiting until EV's are mainstream and prices drop thru competition.

I have to thank cuckla buyers, they pay for r&d, imma wait until fuel is no longer a trend and puck my big boy rc car for 35K with a nice interior. Or even go for a used one, when if battery swapping is cheap.

Also, buying in at this moment is dumb, maybe hydrogen cars become a trend and one could just upgrade his fuel car with a kit that will be cheaper than that electric bs.
>gg EV producers
Think about what's gonna happen when EV becomes mainstream, electricity prices will be hiked up.

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>>14922994
>/k/
How about you go back there?

>>14923074
You forgot to take the price sticker off your airshit. Funfact, real guns don't have fucking PC Gaming type stickers.

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>>14922963
Nope, >>14922980,
it turns out that there is not much profit in that.

It's like with smartphones. They make it an annoyance for you to swap it out on the flagship models.
Combine this forced incentive to buy the new version every few years, with the current trend for leasing cars and voila, you got your money printing factory.

Musk will be clever and work out really cheap lease rates, maybe even the gov will give some bonus. This will lead to a lot of people getting a tesla, most will get the model 3.
There you go, electric revolution.

>>14923097
What happens to them once the lease ends? I mean the cars become kinda useless after that since you can't really change out the batteries.

>>14922963

Changing forklift batteries is bad enough, no way that's going to work with a million vehicles on the road. Not everybody has time to sit around and sip latte's while getting their battery swapped out.

>>14923086
Thats a QR code, noguns. Lrn2 SIGSAUER.

>>14923097
>there is not much profit in that.
Could that possibly be because it costs too much?

>>14923112
>time to sit around and sip latte's while getting their battery swapped out.
It was only supposed to take 45 seconds.

>>14923123
Also the price would have been astronomical.

>fill er up good lad I intend to drive 200 miles today
>that will be $1000 sir

>>14922404
So far there have been attempts and near perfections in such technologies. But the creators often gets killed by some mysterious cause. You know, who does it.

>>14923074
What are you going to do with the hammer uncocked and safety on?

>>14923123

He was "supposed" to be in space by now too, notice a pattern? It's just lie after lie with Tesla.

>>14923074
Is that your poo hand?

>>14923144
Its DA/SA and there is no safety

>>14922329
>>14922342

come on now... my dream car was $80k new and it was made by GM

$95k is not that much

/o/ cant afford it

>>14923107
Well, for the normal consumer they will be useless.

Tesla will make the battery hard to swap out without special tools and software, or something like that. Or even worse, make some restriction to work on the batteries, in the contract.

There is a ton of possibilities to fuck the consumer in the ass, it's a new tech, the average joe did not think about any long term costs of maintenance, so they have no idea what a serviceable EV is and what to look for when buying. Tesla will use this opportunity to stop any possible forming of an used EV market.

>>14923115
Might be, but i am still holding to my theory that they are doing the hard to service bs to press even more money out of the dumb consumer.

>TL:DR: Lay back and wait until electric becomes mainstream, learn from the early adopters mistakes.

>>14923074
>threatening his own monitor

Go on, shoot, all you'll do is rid us of your stupidity.

>>14923180
>come on now
>not that much

Speak for yourself. People who actually have that money, will not throw it away that easily for a tech, they have no experience with yet.

>>14922326
It's going to get btfo by its competitors.
https://youtu.be/1Z0_dLVsq9k

>>14923368
the sales of the model s would seem to disagree with you

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>>14923414
>supposedly the future
>gets btfo by a porsche from 2009
top kek

>>14922436
..... No you frothing retard, it's regenerating enough charge to sustain itself at that speed.

It would probably extend the trip significantly

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Is it faster than a civic now?

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>literally cannot outperform a suv
gasoline>electric

>>14923451
>>14923461
It needs some German engineers.

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>>14923414
>>14923445
>>14923451
>>14923461
if you are buying a Tesla expecting it to be a track car you are a retard and deserve to waste your money

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gasoline>electric

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>gtr from 2009 with 485 hp rapes the model s
top kek
ICE>ELECTRIC

>>14923521
>>14923535
who are you trying to convince?

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>Koenigsegg One:1
>0-300-0 km/h in 17.96 seconds

>Tesla Model S
>0-240 kmh in 29.4 seconds

https://youtu.be/Vr9r81O5vN8?t=54s

ELECTRIC BTFO!!!

>>14923545
teslas aren't fast especially in a time when muscle/pony cars can turn.

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>gasloine cars are better
>gasoline cars till need electrcity to work

literally cucked by electricity

>>14923547
you're comparing a 1.5 million dollar car to a $77,000 car..

no one's going to fall for this bait
you need to re-evaluate your life

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>>14924068
>no one's going to fall for this bait

>falls for it

you aren't very smart, neckbeard

>huur duur tesla best performance car ever lolol get rekt outdated dinosaur juice cars
> nono don't compare anything other than 0-40mph sprints it isn't fair!

>>14924050
teslas accelerate very quickly from 0 to 60mph, especially for a car their size

anyone with a basic understanding of what this graph implies can tell that a tesla is not a good sports car and this says nothing of their inability to maintain maximum output for more than a few minutes
>>14923470

anyone who disagrees knows absolutely nothing about cars. you are arguing with nobody.

>>14923535
The most retarded post I've seen.

>What exactly is wrong with this car /o/?
It won't beat a Porsche from a launch.

Nonsense aside a Tesla is my new dream car.

to /o/? its drivers mostly

>>14923446
ok so, you extremely mistaken because you're ignoring a few things
>wind resistance (big one)
>efficiency loss of the drivetrain, because its moving parts which will always mean lost energy

>>14923123
Most phone batteries take longer than that to change. I would bet my life that 45 seconds would not be achievable.

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>>14923461
>>14923521
>>14923535

turbofan>gasoline>electric

>>14926785
Most wheels take a bunch of time to change but if they're designed to be changed quickly (like on a race car) it takes seconds.

There's no fundamental reason you can't switch batteries quickly and easily. It just needs to be designed with that as a priority.

>>14923135
Only if you're keeping your old battery pack. There's no reason for it to be so expensive if you're just swapping an empty one for a full one.

Imagine a propane powered car where you just exchange a full bottle for an empty one but only actually pay for the bottle once.

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>>14926856

The battery pack is pretty damn huge and covered by plastic panels, it's almost integral to the frame. You need some highly skilled robots/mexicans to undo all those bolts and cables. No way that's going to take 45 seconds.

>>14926895
they'd need to design the car around it
but it's mostly a stopgap measure and not really worth investing in the infrastructure when you can just invest more in the supercharger network and longer ranges on the cars in general

>>14926904
Still going to take much longer than 45 seconds. It takes longer to change a standard lead acid battery in a car now.

>>14926909
well, the thing is, does it matter that much?
charge times are going to get better, and for the vast (vast) majority of people, they'll take long trips like maybe a few times a year, and waiting 30 minutes every 300 miles is not unreasonable at all considering that 300 miles is like $12 in electricity costs

>>14922326
Coal powered car 1908+well anything.

>>14927068
Thermal efficiency

Large power plants, even old coal plants, produce far more energy per gram of co2; compared to small internal combustion engines.

Electric motors are also very efficient compared to internal combustion.

300000 Joules of energy in a gallon of gasoline. 20 percent goes to moving the car. The rest is wasted as heat.

>>14927119
>>14927068
fuck coal, natural gas is king baby and it burns way WAY fucking cleaner than coal.

a lot of coal plants are in a mad dash to retrofit to natural gas

>>14927119
Lrn2efficencychain electric cars produce almost twice the greenhouse gas emissions as the equivalent ICE powered cars in the US.

>>14927128
You probably want to look at the American electricity generation mix.

>>14927128
No they're not, natural gas is crazy fucking expensive to produce and transport.

>>14926895
where does this shit sit? between the interior and the frame? Would it be possible to get it to roll out of the car from between that space then roll in a new set of batteries?

>>14927128
yay fracking!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvJAKVnK4qM

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>>14927206
You probably need to redesign the whole thing if you want it to work well.

>>14927140
No, a model s is responsible for half the co2 grams per mile compared to a S class or 7 series.

>>14927151
Coal is barley used in most states. Except during summer when demand is high.


Natural gas prices are so low, that it is bankrupting coal mines.

>>14927276
Coal makes up the majority of the world's power generation simply because there's a lot of it.

>>14922365
What is
>second law of thermodynamics

>>14927276
Coal is getting killed by the government and all of the penalties they're putting on using it. Not that I'm complaining, but that's the reason. Allot of brand new coal plants are being shut down these days. The whole thing is supposed to be a push towards renewables.

>>14927268
> imagine someone putting their car on the rack, unbolting the frame from the body, transferring their engine, transmission, and secondary components to a new frame, then bolting it back together to the rest of the car body.

Simple right?

>>14922419
>what is a perpetual motion machine
literally what you just described you stupid EV cuck.

>>14926874
taste the meat not the heat

How long will it take to hit 175?

Because IIRC, the 90D hits a wall at around 120.

>>14924087
However it *feels* fast in the way that muscle cars *feel* fast: it's all about low-end torque that pushes you into the seat at stop-lights. For the 99% of the population who never takes their car to a track, 0-60 matters more than the top end.

>>14922365
You should post this on /sci/

>>14922326
Cant lap ring

>>14922326
>$95k
>for a town car that you can't take away from the city
>if you can afford a 95k$ car
>why would you give a shit about fuel costs?
>only practical for mega city dwellers
I live in a semi rural town that if I travel 20km from town, the only fuel stations beyond that carry diesel. will AAA recharge your batteries for half an hour if you run out of charge or do you need to be towed to a charging station if you run out?

>>14923086
>>14923144

retards.

Turbines generate electricity by spinning..

Wheels spend a lot of time spinning.

..I am not a strange man..

Is that what regenerative braking is?

>>14929479
all electric motors can be generators if you're not giving them electricity, the magnets slow the rotational energy of the axle and convert that lost kinetic energy into electrical energy. it's not that efficient (i think it's like 50% energy return or something) but it does help.

in practice, it feels like really aggressive engine braking, which can make the car feel really lively and fun. blast to 60 then lurch back to 0

>>14922965
BYD

Electric is the future guys, stop polluting :^)
Oh but you'll need 95k to do so but come on guys save the planets :^)

>>14931329

tfw like 99% of Tesla owners work in Oil and Gas. Technically that means Tesla's are funded by the destruction of the planet.

Suck it eco hippiefags.

>>14931372
>72% of statistical analysis on the internet comes from sphincters

>>14922326
>>range 305 per charging(
Maybe if you drive it in eco mode, but if you even try to use that power you're going to be needing a charge in less than 100mi

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>>14922365
>unlimited mileage per charge
What manner of sorcery is this?

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>>14922365
>going 65 MPH will allow the battery to recharge itself at a ratio of 1:1 meaning if you don't go above 65 MPH you get unlimited mileage per charge.

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>>14922365
k then

>>14922326
for the same price you could get 2 911 turbos.

also, it hasn't been teste for the 0-60 it claims

>>14922326
>>0-60 in 2.75 seconds
bullshit. That's precisely 1G of average acceleration. It's EXTREMELY likely it will do that, even on slicks.

>>14931400
A guy in florida drove his early Model S 420 or so miles. Averaging 18 mph, no AC or infotainment running, and avoiding stops.

http://insideevs.com/tesla-model-s-sets-unofficial-range-record-at-423-5-miles/

>>14922365
>, going 65 MPH will allow the battery to recharge itself at a ratio of 1:1
physics: thats not how this works
thats not how any of this works.

>>14933559
My point proven

You have to absolutely baby the thing to get good range.

>>14933559

>Averaging 18 mph

Why not just ride a fucking bike at the point.... I can just see the fucking conga line of cars waiting behind that fucker.

>>14923470
>700hp
>can't use it unless for highway pulls

>83% efficient
>it still fucking need to dissipate over 120Kw of heat at full power
>but muh efficiency, electric cars doesn't cooling
>electric cars doesn't need transmission because musk said so

The people who will buy it

>tfw want one and can afford it, but don't want people to think I'm a liberal

>>14927276
Are you fucking retarded?
Coal is the main source of power for electricity in the United States, and California is the #1 consumer, and natural gas prices are so low because OPEC forced the motherfuckers to drop prices or get beat out of the energy game when gas prices dipped. You need to stop being a fucking retard, it might be contagious.

It's electric, you eco-fag.