Tales From The Dealership: Q&A Thread

>>14871216
I've been selling Toyota for a year and have been doing very well, but my dealership is very crooked (rampant wage theft) and I need to move on. I think my strengths would play well at a luxury brand. From a sales standpoint, which do you think would be the best to sell? I like Toyota so Lexus would seem good, but I imagine Lexus customers being the most difficult to work with (mostly not excited or excitable about cars, lots of Jews and Indians and really old people).

LPG welp can't go to sleep now......

>>14871216

>tfw want to ask something but don't know what even though you're in the market for a used car

I guess I'll just read everyone else's posts like always

>>14871316
If you think wage theft is bad at a Toyota dealership, a luxury dealership will be even worse. most higher end places will have 5-6 core sales people who have been at the dealership for a decade or more, and get fed all the decent deals/have a huge repeat customer base

Lexus will be the most boring in the way you expect, you will be dealing with a client base that has no interest in cars.

Porsche is the absolute worst in terms of picky/demanding customers who will complain and whine about everything

BMW/Merc are probably your best bet, maybe an Audi if you are a stand alone and don't have to deal with overflow from VW


>>14871334
Ask anything you want

>>14871369

Do you work at a Kia dealership? I remember one of your stories about a young couple to talked into a higher end version of a slower Kia.
That was a good story.

>>14871369

LPG, I just bought a new car for the first time. 2016 Ford Fiesta ST. Paid 25k, $500 down with 0% for 60 months

This might be a dumb question, but are financing options like this good to consider in the future when I get a different car in hopefully 10 years? or is it better to do a large down payment and take the lowest % interest rate loan you can get? Or is this question just stupid because it heavily depends on the financial situation as well?

>>14871216
Want a classic car but they're a bitch to find anywhere but stealerships around here. Mark up is only 1-2k over the normal price. So my questions are
A) Can I safely assume they've taken better care of the car than the dude I met on craigslist
B) What can I expect if I try to buy an older car from a stealership? Not things to look out for in general about old cars, just stuff that the stealership might do.

>>14871216
I've been selling Toyotas also actually, for about six months. I'm liking it so far. I'm only nineteen, just graduated. I've been averaging around 12 the past three months, my gross is great this month. On track to make 8-10 grand. My biggest weakness I think is just getting over people's reflex of "just looking" and getting customers to come back, I barely set any appointments. For how many I sell its ridiculous how little appointments I have. I'm not a particularly pushy salesperson, my word tracks over my voicemails must suck or something. Pls help

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>>14871395
No. I work at a large, independent, used dealership, so we sell a bit of everything

>>14871412
Anything dealing with finance is always going to be somewhat situational, but you do have some hard and fast rules.

Generally, when you take 0% APR on a new car, you pay close to full price (Or greatly sacrifice your ability to negotiate on price). In your case, trueCar books a good deal on a 2016 Fiesta ST to be about 20,500. You payed about 4.5K more than that.

In most cases, you will be better shopping the financing around (lots of lenders will do less than 1% on a new car), settling a price with the dealer, THEN forcing them to beat the financing you already have in hand.

Of course, you would want to run the numbers, and see over the course of the loan what would cost you more or less, but you have to keep in mind what you sacrifice going both ways. Pic related to your post

>>14871465
You are making 8-10k a month with 12 units at a Toyota dealership? Where the fuck do you sell?

I just financed a 2013 frs for $16500, could i have gotten the price lower or is that an okay deal? I've been kinda stressed about it for a while

>>14871484
Cocaine in the airbags

>>14871471

I got a couple of those options that raised the price, so it isn't stock

The biggest problem I had was that my transunion was about 70 points higher than my exp and exquifax (8+ years of credit history but a low limit CC for 5-6 of those years), so while my CU had my approved for 2.49%, the dealer said they wouldn't match that at all because the other two were too low

3000 bucks good for a down payment for my friend too buy a CPO car at a dealer with no credit history besides paying an internet bill? We would go the Craigslist route but he's not a car guy and I rather not be in charge of the upkeep of it.

>>14871416
>A) Can I safely assume they've taken better care of the car than the dude I met on craigslist
No, in most instances, dealerships have no idea what the fuck they are doing with classic cars unless it's a dealership that specializes in ONLY dealing with classics

>B) What can I expect if I try to buy an older car from a stealership? Not things to look out for in general about old cars, just stuff that the stealership might do.
They will try and poach the shit out of you on the price. Dealerships are as bad as boomers about over-valuing classic cars, hoping that someone who doesn't know any better will stumble in and open up their waller.

Do your research, and be ready to spend multiple days slugging it out over notations. Keep in mind, most banks won't finance a classic car under standard auto loans, you might be forced to take a personal line of credit or a luxury items loan

>>14871465
You have to keep in mind that people don't just come to look at a car lot. Cars are rarely something that common people window shop. If they came to look at cars, they have a reason behind it. When I get hit with the 'just looking', I have 2 or 3 solid go to lines, but the one that works most frequently is simply "Oh, why is that?" Non-threatening, but makes them have to talk to me a little more, and gives me more ground to figure out what they are really trying to do. And no one you talk to should ever leave without your card, and without you getting a contact number and committing to a date to follow up with them

>>14871485
Well, where do you live, and what are the details on the car?

>>14871496
A completely maxed, with every single option possible ST still books at 22.5K on truecar. The "we won't match that" line is where you should have walked out the door, and made them call you back

>>14871500
A good down payment is 20-30% of the asking price of the car. So 300 could be great, or not great, depending on the situation

>>14871515
We'll be looking at cars around 10 to 12k so that's perfect. Thanks.

>>14871505

Well, thanks for the info LPG. I will definitely keep this in mind for the next car I buy. I'm now a little miffed that I paid over, but I guess I won't get too mad over it. They originally wanted, I think, 27.5 and I knew that was a true screwjob

>>14871505
>stealerships are clueless
Well damn. I do know a couple that are supposedly for classics only, but they overcharge even worse than the other guys.

Won't take a loan out though, the ones I'm looking for are usually cheaper and I'm good with my money. I can buy any one of them right now with cash, I'd just have nothing left over.

Thanks LPG.

>>14871316
>Lexus customers being the most difficult to work with (mostly not excited or excitable about cars,
you're 100% correct. there is no passion for cars at Lexus, you may as well sell laundry machines. and the customers have enough money for mercedes so they aren't impressed by lexus at all

>>14871524
No problem

>>14871528
You can never be afraid of walking away. With a car like a FiST, where you're gonna have multiple Ford dealerships with multiple options in most areas, time is on your side. Run TrueCar. Bid them against each other. Don't be afraid to get up and walk out if they won't concede on price or loan terms.

You didn't get miffed that bad, so if anything, throw it up to a life experience. In the future, you always want to try and put down enough money to at least cover the sales tax and DMV fees (it's just bad practice to finance sales tax and fees)

>>14871544
Classics are one of my least favorite things to deal with the automotive world. Everyone who has one thinks his is worth waaayyyy more than it ever is. Dealerships rarely, if ever, have the tools or the people to do anything with them (no way to get parts, no one to do body or glass work, and limited resources on how to price them). The people that come to look at them are fucking horrible to deal with, and they usually sit for MONTHS before they sell

Dealerships will usually just detail them, and stick them out with a high ball price hoping someone comes in chasing a dream. No guarantee a dealership did or knows anything more about the car than you.

Whenever I go to a dealership and I have cash on me the agent is never willing to negotiate on a better price. Say I'm buying an $8000, I can only get the dealer down maybe $500 bucks, is there a way to swing it into my direction? Do dealers know they overpriced the car heavily?

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Alright, I lost my Jeep to a broken rod in the engine(130k miles), completely unexpectedly after putting about 3grand into it at the beginning of this year.

Two kids and a wife. Looking for a replacement and came across this last month

http://www.motorcarstoyota.com/certified/Toyota/2006-Toyota-Sequoia-Cleveland+Heights-869830a90a0e0adf6103ec11abfb6c81.htm

Bank says I don't have 'enough' credit history. Asking for a co-signer. What do.

Boxers or briefs

>>14871608
Same boat, about to buy a 42k mustang and am planning on putting down 34k.

>>14871528
LPG speaks the truth as always. IME nothing makes them jump faster than you just getting up and walking away. When I bought my Accord, I wanted a blue EX with the factory polished wheels. Dealership didnt have it but another one 200 miles away did. They said they would swap cars with this other dealership but wouldn't ship it, they would have one of their guys drive it down. I told them no, I didn't want a "new" car with 200+ miles on it. They said no, I got up and walked out and the sales guy and his manaager literally jumped in front of the door and agreed.

>>14871484
No this month in at 8 units so far with good gross and will probably make anywhere from 7-10+ this month. Last month I made about 5. >>14871505 okay. Thanks. I've never tried just asking why I guess, I just respond with a "oh of course!" And then continue like normal.

>>14871608
Because dealerships make less off of a cash sale then they do a finance one

Most of a dealership's profits come on the back end. In your case, with looking at a used car, the dealership is going to make a finder's fee commission on setting up the loan, and likely stands to receive an end of month bonus for setting up XXX number of loan in that month

You'll make more headway in negotiations if you finance, and you can simply turn around and pay the loan off in full before you actually incur any interest

>>14871611
-Look at a cheaper car

-Shop around with different banks

-Build your credit up

>>14871628
boxers

>>14871640
I thought you can get penalized for paying the car off early on financing or is that a myth?

Are you still working on your degree

>>14871639
So where do you work? I sell Toyota in a midwestern city. I sold 16 units (new/used) and made $5.5k last month.

Any of you used dealers familiar with legal grey market imports? Are you starting to see Canadian used cars/trucks show up on the lot? How are you all sourcing your inventory-dealer auctions?

>>14871658
Myth.

You have some small time lots and buy here, pay here places that will try and offer loans with massive early payoff penalties, but that's the kind of shit you should rip up and throw in the trash. Any legit dealership or auto loan is going to be a simple interest loan with no pre-payment penalty

>>14871665
Will be finished with my masters in about a month

>>14871671
We do see some Canadian stuff show up in local auctions from time to time, usually pick ups or other 4WD vehicles. It's not something we actively source though, just something that sometimes occurs

>>14871658

Sometimes, depends on the terms of the loan. Check that before you sign.

>>14871681
Where are you located good sir?

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i work in auto finance and just wish people understood simple interest loans before signing contracts for vehicles

>>14871658
Fellow dealer here. Not ony any loan that is legal today and isnt from a buy here pay here. Can verify for MO and IL for sure.

>>14871727

I work at a bank, I kind of know where you're coming from seeing as how people don't understand how to checking and savings account. Some willingly overdraw their account and act like it's a payday loan.

So, what do you run into being in auto finance?

Thinking about trading in my car later this year to get something a little nicer
How fucked are trade in values, compared to just selling my car?

I'm going around to small time lots looking for a cheap car. What's the best way to negotiate with the owner of one of these places? If the car is priced way over book value, and if there's a few mechanical hiccups that should knock the price down further, how do you negotiate that? Is cash or financing better in these cases?

Mr. LPG

I stay away from stealerships and never finance anything car related. I buy used shitboxes and do my own maintenance.
Just letting you know I'm doing all right.
I just keep improving my cars every two to three years. I spend max $500 on each car for maintenance related stuff and it feels great!
Sucks for all people who have to be slaves of interest rates and banks.

>>14871773
>notice me senpai

I think i want to be a car salesman. I have experience in major electronics sales, and i have a thing for cars. How do i get started and what will i be expecting?

>>14871773

Livin the dream.

>>14871670
In Washington state. I sold 14 last month and made 4660. Found out they didn't pay me on half a deal though. So more like 4760 or so. I had almost no gross last month.

>>14871750
i see an upsetting amount of people with 20-28% interest rates refuse to pay on their due date and get upset when they eventually figure out most of their payment isn't actually paying down their loan

>>14871714
North carolina. That's about as specific as I get with 4chan, lest I start getting calls about Twingo's and dildo's in the mail every day

>>14871727
You will be lucky if most people undstern the concept of interest at all

>>14871743
I am pretty sure it's illegal in most states outside BHPH lots these days

>>14871758
You will almost always get more selling it outright, it's just a matter of time, as it could take you months and months to offload a vehicle to a private buyer, depending on your car and the market

>>14871764
Most of these small time lots are sticking out a finance price, as they are probably buy here, pay here joints. Get cash (or check) in hand, and be ready to spend hours and hours just slogging it out with these ass holes. If they are legit places, go the fiance route, as it will always make prices more pliable

Make note of all faults, bring comps, bring book values, and just don't be afraid to get aggressive if need be. Most of these places are used to working with people who are desperate, so bear that in mind

>>14871773
keep the dream alive anon

How long does a car typically spend on your lot before it sells?

Are there end-of-the-month quota pushes, like there are at new car dealerships?

>>14871822
Thanks. You are a little out of range for what I have in mind.

>>14871795
You.... interested in cheap, legal skylines, duramax trucks, etc.? Are you able to flog product on the side or do you have a non-compete clause in your contract. We have a deteriorating economic situation and a shitty currency that makes exporting to you guys down south a real lucrative proposition.

>>14871324
lel retard

>>14871864
Not exactly sure what you're asking of me. I only sell not a manager of any kind.

>>14871885
That's what I am looking for, somebody who can sell. Most exporters up here are dumping at auction down south (you guys in Washington state must have a metric fuck tonne of Canadian product on your lot) and I think they are missing the bang for the buck selling at retail. I'm not looking to dump a hundred trucks at one time. Start out slow, one or two units at a time. I'm buying duramax trucks for $5000 US and R32 Skylines for about the same (more if they are turbo'd).

>>14871505
>>14871465
On my phone so I'm not going to type a lot on this.
But to follow up on what LPG said, I sold cars for like 6-8 months when I was 19-20.
Had a lot of problems setting appointments and getting callbacks as well.
Another sales guy and I started spending the dead slow mornings leaving voicemails to each others contacts, saying things like "blah blah following up on your visit....blah blah call me back to set an appointment with him".
Just doing that more than doubled the amount of people I got back into the dealership. Was a Toyota dealership as well, maybe the customers just want to feel like a special snowflake who deserves multiple people's attention from the dealership.

What's the deal with leasing?

Seems attractive. About $350 a month and I have a guaranteed bumper to bumper covered new car, much nicer than anything I could purchase.

What are some things to look out for on some of these lease incentives I'm seeing? The milage seems adequate for my needs.

In the next week or two I'll be looking at buying something a couple years old at a dealer. Already have my finance pre-approval. Am I better off negotiating price first and then pulling out my financing, or does letting them know I have finance set up beforehand put me in a better position to negotiate?

What's a good place to lead off with relative to something like blue book? I'm looking at a couple cars that are kbb $12.5k-14.5k, sticker price are around $13.5k. Am I being unrealistic trying to aim for around $13k OTD when I've got a few similar options all a few hours away? I don't want to come off low-balling, but I don't want to leave myself no room to move, either.

>>14871840
depends entirely on the lot, the area, and the car. and yes, used still have quotas just like new dealerships, just not to the same extent

>>14871956
It's more an issue of inertia. Rock in motion tends to stay in motion. You have to keep pushing people to keep them in motion towards the sale

>>14871979
The main drawback is your pouring money towards something you don't own. It's like taking out a mortgage to rent an apartment. Leasing only really make sense if you need a car on a short term basis like a year, you register it under your business and can write it off on your taxes, or it's a vehicle where maintenance and upkeep could be prohibitively expensive

>>14871986
Dealers won't discount as much if they know you're doing outside financing because they won't make any back end. You should negotiate, then mention you have pre-approval, but also let them try to beat it because they usually can do better than you can.

Do I need to dress up if I'm mid-20's buying a new sports car? Is it better to arrive in a $1000 fedoramobile or on a $1000 bicycle?

How cucked am I to consider spending 2/3 of my annual salary on a toy I don't need?

>>14871640

Would 50% down be about right to minimize both price and interest rate?

I presume that "0% financing" is a meme and just means they'll make the money back elsewhere.

>>14872153
>make the money back elsewhere
Like having to choose between a rebate and a 0% interest rate. If the rebate being given up is large enough, even with a modest interest rate you might end up spending less than if you buy no rebate at 0%.

>>14872089
I feel like maintenance and upkeep are always prohibitively expensive.

I just had to drop 3k on my civic for a new head, I'm just tired of surprise costs.

I've got a 700 credit score but only 6 months of credit history how likely am i to get an 18k loan with decent interest

Feels goodman.jpg

Just did a truecar lookup on the F150 I have on order. MSRP came to 37900 or so and my out the door should be 30,000. Truecar says exceptional price is 31300.

Xplan + ford putting wrong engine in (free upgrade) + incentives at order + AQHA discount + mail customer cash offer + new incentives at delivery.

>>14871611
In Europe we can fit two kids and a wife into an Opel Corsa B!! What the fuck is it with you and these land barges?!

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>>14871681
>Will be finished with my masters in about a month
Will you be gone then?
Will the dealership tales end because now you're a responsible IT manager somewhere?

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>>14871216
Hey LPG, I'm a noob and have always purchased my cars used from private dealers instead of going to dealerships. Is there one single piece of advice you'd give a moderately intelligent individual looking to buy a car new?

>>14872403
Uh, don't?
Lol roll off the lot 20% value loss?
Buy a 1 year old car stoopid.

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>>14871216
>LPG thread
>expecting a nice story
>it's just Q&A

Disappointed senpai.

>>14872411
>Buy a 1 year old car stoopid.
This has been standard policy for me for like 30 years, but I've been saving and I want to do something that I regret later but secretly thought was fun, instead of boring Honda Civic #7

>>14872431
Then use the money to buy two older cars instead of one? One Prius and one fun rocket that you can go drifting in.

LPG,

Is there any avoiding the "let me go ask my manager" stuff? I'm under the impression this is done just for show. Do I really have to sit there and watch the bad acting, or can I skip the bullshit?

I know I get hosed because I can't stand the haggling. I'm the kind of person who will write down a price and either get it or leave. Are my salespeople genuinely upset by this, or is that an act too?

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>>14872439
>Prius
Render thyself deceased

>>14872431
Do it man. Gotta do something fun and stupid once or twice in your life. I doubt you'll be on your deathbed thinking "wow I'm really glad I saved 7 grand by buying a sensible car in my 40s"

>>14872470
>Do it man. Gotta do something fun and stupid once or twice in your life. I doubt you'll be on your deathbed thinking "wow I'm really glad I saved 7 grand by buying a sensible car in my 40s"
You're right. Thanks M8.

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>>14872458
Why? It's a solid car with lots of space for a no frills consumer / family and, with proper maintenance, will last forever, essentially making buying a new car every 5 years a pointless idiocy. That means you can blow all the money you save on triple tarbo kits for your Foxbody.

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>>14872492
>Why? It's a solid car
no
>with lots of space for a no frills consumer / family and, with proper maintenance, will last forever,
no
>essentially making buying a new car every 5 years a pointless idiocy.
no
>That means you can blow all the money you save on triple tarbo kits for your Foxbody.
Tesla maybe. But I will not demean and degrade myself by purchasing the same car used by every self-righteous smug asshole in the country.

>>14872457
I'm sure LPG will weigh in, but from my experience, I haven't been able to avoid it. Have, however, been able to get the guy to hurry the fuck up. When I make an offer, he'll say "gotta check with my manager". That's when I say "you've got 10 minutes(or whatever if the place looks busy) to get back to me or I take my business elsewhere". May be dickish but it's my money and my time. I haven't bought many cars, but have ever had to wait longer than what I say.

>>14872513
All three points are yes, you just dislike it for the 'fanbase' it has aquired. This is the most spineless of excuses. I could take
>no power
>shit handling
>no roadfeel
Because all those are legit complaints, but disliking something for the fanbase? How shallow are you? Do you also make sure only to do other things that the people around you approve and pre-check?

>>14872513
>Tesla maybe. But I will not demean and degrade myself by purchasing the same car used by every self-righteous smug asshole in the country.
Read this line back to yourself real quick.

>>14872537
I have become that which I hate. Thank you for pointing out my hubris.
>>14872532
I'm not the most social of people. Even then, I have standards, and I'm not going to debate personal preference with people on a Kyrgzstani mine-clearing board. Besides, all those legitimate complaints you have also apply.

LPG -

I've always wondered. Car salesman seem very set on settling on a deal +/- 10% less than the list price. If lots are going to auction, and getting steals on the cars, and have large profit margins on cars (50% or more at times) then why do the salespeople INSIST on getting just 10% less then asking price? I told a car salesman "I'll sign today for 15% under list price, I'll come in right now and get you your sale" and he told me he couldn't do it, trying to recoup their costs, etc etc. The car was listed well above blue book, and the 15% off list I was asking for was MAYBE 2% under blue book.

Why are car salesman so hard to haggle with? Do they not want the sale? Are they waiting to sell that car to someone where they know they'll get better margin, and therefor larger commission checks?

>>14872457
I sell cars and can promise you that it is not done for show. We are literally but mere messengers to bring information to and from our sales managers. Seriously. Better sales people will bring 'better' information to them by raising the 'value' in the car and building more rapport with the customer, but at least in any modern dealership, the salesman has absolutely zero say in the sale price of the car. So when you come in with some retarded three thousand dollar under cost offer, yes, we have to check with our manager. Fuck off

>>14872094

What if they try to feel that out before negotiation?

Just lie about it, and then admit you lied later if their financing isn't as good?

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>>14871495

Leave, you off-brand nigger. Your kind is not welcome here.

>>14871369

Seniority is a huge reason why so many people don't make it in car sales.

>>14872368
Well I can also fit them into my Mk3 Supra, but it doesn't mean it's convenient or comfortable. Two car seats, and if I need to pick up a cousin/friend? That's a third car seat.

If I want to take my brothers out to the movies? I'll need five seats not including mine. I could also just get a fucking Prius, but none of those options are convenient or optimal for my family and work.

>>14871216
Hey LPG, wondering how I did on my last purchase
Got a brand new 2016 Focus SE with a 5 speed and power seat option for 17k financed 15k of it at 0% and put 2k down
Salesman said they lost money on it, just wondering how I did since he probably only said that to keep me interested

>>14871216
Hey LPG, I'm looking into financing a car. I'm going to be a first time buyer and have never built/used credit before, I'm trying to keep my payments under 200 dollars, what would be a good budget to limit myself to?

How can I buy a car with over 10k in cash privately without the sellers bank asking questions when he shows up with a suitcase full of hundos?

>>14871773
Some of us don't want to drive shitheaps that smell like sweat and old french fries our entire lives.

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>>14871681
>finished with my masters in about a month
Congrats LPG, I hope the series of tubes treats you well.
>did you turn it off and on again?

Things I expect:
>Habibs to overrun your dealership and make it halal once you leave
>you to buy a vinyl plotter and sell "my ride is an LPG story" stickers
>I expect you to write an hilarious book about your hilarious experiences so the people can know.
>YOU HAVE TO TELL THE PEOPLE
>Also do it so I can finally willing read a book read a book read a motherfucking book
>pic related don't forget about y'hear?

do you have any more dealership tales?

>>14872153
>Do I need to dress up if I'm mid-20's buying a new sports car? Is it better to arrive in a $1000 fedoramobile or on a $1000 bicycle?
>How cucked am I to consider spending 2/3 of my annual salary on a toy I don't need?

You don't need to throw on a suit and tie, but as a general rule, don't show up looking like a bum, and don't show up in a fedoramobile. Sales people DO judge, it's the nature of the game, and getting yourself taken seriously from the jump on something like a sports car will just make your life easier. Salespeople are much more likely to negotiate aggressively with people they KNOW can buy, and buy today, because he's much more likely to lose you to another dealership if you walk out the door

2/3rd of your annual salary is fairly cuck-ish, but the rule of thumb for stable financing is to never let your car payment exceed 20% of your gross monthly income. You really maximize the financing benefit at about 30%, anything past that will basically be to just lower your payment

>>14872212
Not true my friend, of course bad luck can always happen, but leasing generally only makes sense for a very narrow band of people

>>14872382
Eh, I'm going to try and stay on part time, simply because for the time invested, I do make some solid csh at this job. However, if I can't keep doing sales part time, I'll probably get into flipping cars in my spare time more seriously, which itself will be a great breeding ground for some good stories

>>14872403
If you are dead set on going the new route, then the one piece of advice to always remember is that time is on your side. Be patient. Do your research. See what sells and how quickly it does so. The less rushed you have to be in the processes, the more you can leverage research and opportunity to your favor.

>>14872457
>>14872531

Just ask to speak to the finance manager directly. Have him come out and sit at the table with you, and make him bring a buyers order (don't ever negotiate off the four square shit they try and do, buyers order or bust). That way, you can write down to exactly what you want, and when you get up to leave when you don't get it, the manager will be right there to have to try and stop you

And again, don't afraid to be aggressive. They only make money if you buy, people tend to forget they have the power, because they have the money.

>>14872579
>Are they waiting to sell that car to someone where they know they'll get better margin, and therefor larger commission checks?

Exactly. most dealerships only offer the salespeople a percentage of the gross margin as the commission (with a guaranteed minimum payout if they sell the car at a loss, usually like 50-100 dollars). So it's a dance, anything that eats into gross margin erodes the sales guys pay check, and on high volume vehicles, you always have some turd burglar with bad credit waiting behind you that just needs to hear "your approved" to buy the car.

In lost of instances, cars have far less margin in them than people think. With new cars, it's very very slim (which is why most new salespeople are started out on new, because the pay sucks ass compared to plump, high gross margin used cars)

>>14872922
True most of the time, but not always. veteran salespeople already know what the dealerships different sales managers will and won't do, and most older sales guys are allowed to write their own deals, and just run them past a sales manager prior to taking it to finance (this is what I do). Yes, newer guys and less productive sales people will never be trusted with the deal directly, but that's why you just ask for the sales manager to come out and sit at the table

>>14874169
Not a bad deal at all. And yes, while they might have lost money on the car itself, they will make it up on the backend on the financing and monthly bonuses.

>>14874307
As a general rule every 5 grand you finance is 100 bucks a month, so for 200 dollars, don't look at anything over 10-12K

>>14874365
deposit the cash in your bank, then get a certified check written out in the amount you want to buy the car for. certified funds are as good as cash

>>14874701
Oh, you might just have to deal with hilarious car flip stories instead of dealership stories. plus I have a few great stories I will finally be able to tell once I don't work at this place any more lol.

I love your LPG stories. Do you have any tips on how I can be better at storytelling?

>>14873898
It's your money but if I was you I'd go with something smaller. Or just get a Crown Vic.

bought a new car in 2014 for 31k today blackbook is about 17k and i owe 21k. Im a few months ahead on payments and my credit at last check a month ago is 765. Though I can afford the payments, I really think there are better uses for my money than to make these payments. I pay $500/month, the actual required payment is less but I just throw it on autopay and let it ride. the rate is about 3%.

My question is this. Is there a way to get rid of this car and get something older and cheaper to reduce the payment? will banks willingly lend on negative equity on say a 2006 car worth less than 7k? what options do i have or am i just going to have to pay for this until i have positive equity? i want to trade it at a dealership and not deal with the hassle of a private party sale.

>>14871216
I'm looking to trade in a car that is financed and walk away with one that is not. Kbb shows my trade is worth 17k trade in, and I owe 13k on it. The car I'm looking at has a dealer retail of 4200, but is listed at 9k. Should I even bother, or is the 9k a bait price, so that at 5k someone thinks they're getting a good deal?

>>14875126
I wish I could find a Vic in decent condition. The monkeys in Cleveland LOVE to scoop up any police related vehicle and turn them into POS.

Also I think it's pretty risky buying a Vic/Marquis with 180+ miles, and my other other vehicle is my Supra. If both were to go down..

>>14875149
In your situation, while it would be possible to trade back to an older car, you wouldn't want to. Rolling negative equity backwards into an older car is going to jack your APR up, even with strong credit.

You need to pay until you reach break even or get a little ahead. Even then, if you trade backwards, you will want to keep with something that is:

-Less than 10 years old

-Had less than 100K miles or so

-costs at least 10K

Banks don't like making small auto loans on old cars with a ton of miles, and another year of payment will probably catch you up to break even. Right now, you're still in the first 2 years of severe depreciation that comes with new car ownership

>>14875162
Bait, 9K is a financed price, You will never get them to 4200 on a trade swap deal, there is no incentive for them, they stand to make way more money on the shitbox. In your situation, you really need to avoid trying to trade with a dealership anyway. Sell the car outright, then take the cash to buy whatever shit box it is you have your eye on. Most dealerships are going to have no major incentive to make the kind of deal you wanna make

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>>14875225
You gotta go to municipal auctions, that's where they flog them for 1200 dollars or so. Or literally just take your phone and call the local police station and ask around if they want to sell you a Crown Vic, given that they are in the process of phasing them out everywhere. Fuck, if you can get them for that cheap, buy two. One to mod and one to drive, then sell for 2k when the modding of the first is done. You know, manual swap, 3 valve headers and boom, refreshed V8, with your deeds you honor him. Surely a car to keep.

>>14875228
thanks LPG. guess ill be holding onto the car another year. I still like driving it and can afford the payments so im not crushed.

>>14875228
Thanks lpg. I may just keep my Lincoln.

>>14875261
>>14875280
no problem guys

>>14875360
Do you do car importing or have any experience with it? Because I'm German and the Twingo threads tempt me to start shipping 25 year old 200€ shitboxes over the pond.

>>14872422

This

>>14875360
how'd you get into car sales? Interviewed? Knew a guy?

>>14875369
That's something I don't have any experience with man. I know people in this area who do it, and there is an extremely legit importer in Charlotte NC, but I would be the wrong person to talk to. In general though, it's a very small/niche market in the US, especially on the east coast

>>14875390
My family ran a small/medium sized car lot when I was growing up, so I was around it a ton as a kid/teenager. When I went back to grad school, I was looking for something to do part time that would make decent money, so I applied, interviewed, got hired that day

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>>14875402
No I was literally figuring I'd sell to anons memeing in the threads. If only 10% of those posters are in for it for serious that's at least like ten of em sold. Bernd Lauert Import Export. Has a nice ring to it.

>>14875422
Sign me up for a yellow one if you do... soft top

>>14875422
Also, can you tell me as a German-fag, will I catch too much hate as an American if I spend like 1-2 weeks in germany on vacation? I took 2 years of German in college, so I'm not completely helpless when it comes to the language. I've done England 3 times now, and the UK is getting progressively more intolerable with every visit (sorry brit-bongs), so I'd like to hit up some places across the pond

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>>14875445
nigga no one cares about other people in germany, no one will hate you or shit, and as good as every (white) person speaks english, so you should have no problems.

>>14875445
Yeah that's perfectly fine man. Some of the more ballsy Germans might ask you dumb questions or blunt accusations about NSA and all that horrible shit that went down two years ago but that should be it. Despite memesters from all sides incessantly crying on and on about the refugee situation, everyday reality hasn't changed whatsoever.

Pop into the sticker Dischord, I wanna tell you in what city you can find me! If you come over here I have to buy you at least three beers and a dinner. Your threads taught me infinitely much about how not to get utterly ripped off when looking for cars. I don't know if your credit lessons apply to the way German banks work 1:1 but I still plan on getting detailed info from a banker guy I know about this.

>>14875450
>"Bize her yer Trabzon"
"For us, everywhere is Trabzon (a city in Turkey)"
I think it means they like it there.

>>14875525
there in Trabzon or there in germany

>>14875619
Well if they didn't like Germany so much I'd think someone with a slogan like this would prefer to stay in Trabzon eh!

How to negotiate on new car? Offer invoice and then just normal haggling with walking out if you don't get a price you want?

>>14875445
B-bro? pls respond, i hope i didn't scare you off

>>14875831
Volksdeutscher here. Was born in NA, but spent so much time in DE to know. Germans are civilized folk, you won't get hassled period. Even visible minorities get along well enough, unless you are in some hick town in the east, for the most part you won't run into trouble. The only times I've been hassled in DE was in Kreuzberg by shithead Turks.

>>14875854
Das musst du mir nicht sagen, haha.

>>14872089
>depends entirely on the lot, the area, and the car.

Ok, well let's just say the lot is a used-car department at a mid-sized suburban new car dealership, in your area.
Lets say the car is whatever the common dealership-fodder one-step-down-from-midsize 4-cylinder 4-door is in your area. (Jetta/Elantra/Focus competitors) Moderately equipped - say minimum cruise, A/C, power windows, keyless entry.

> Used still have quotas just like new dealerships, just not to the same extent

What I was getting at is that the generally accepted buyers wisdom for new car shopping is to go at the end of the month, because a sales manager with only a couple days left to meet quota & qualify for bonus will cut deals at/below cost that they would not normally do. Is there a similar effect on the used car lot?

>>14875369
From my experience watching import/export the automobiles exported to NA from DE are typically the G wagons, some of the rare and harder to find Euro brands like Citroen, and the odd high end Porsche/Mercedes.

A lot more autos being exported back to DE, especially from Japan. Mercedes SL's, 8-series BMW, Ferrari. Watch the auctions on Catawiki, most of the SL's are from US (US front bumper). And a lot of the 8-series on Autoscout24 ate from Japan.

>>14875886
Nigga I'm literally talking flipping '94 or '93 Twingos for 2k to anons I personally chatted up on this very meme exchange hub, as if I'll make more than a few spare pennies over it. I'd do it just for the experience and making anonbros happy.

Is it possible to downplay your interest when travelling far for a car? Or do you just not mention it? If the dealer knows you've travelled hours for it, I can imagine he'll want to keep a tight grip on the price because you're not interested in returning home empty handed.

>>14875903
You wouldn't be able to export to US until 25 years old. You have to wait until 2018 for the 1993's.

>>14875933
I could start exporting right now, people just wouldn't be able to register and drive until '18. Might as well get started early before 'serious' exporters get on it and snatch up all the cheap models.

>>14875903
And why not shoot for the stars. Your English is good, you have an interest in import/export at a reasonably younger age and its a market with no limit. I'm looking for a seller in the US and in Germany if you are interested?

>>14875942
As far as I know that car has to be declared upon entry into final destination. For it to enter early it would have to be declared a parts car without VIN and will never be eligible for registration ever again. Most importers buying early actually end up storing vehicle for allotted time in country of purchase for that reason.

>>14875965
I figured you could just register it as a show car. Can only drive like 1500 miles a year or so but should be enough for the time being.

>>14875970
I could be wrong, but registering it as a show car is a massive mountain of paperwork, lawyers and again, it will be declared as such and never again anything else.

>>14875970
Your only way into NA early is through Canada, which allows importation of exotica at 15 years instead of the 25 years in US.

>>14875917

There's no reason to mention it. Just say you saw they had one you're interested in and you came to check it out because you were in the area. They don't need to know you're in the area because of the car.

This would be pretty dope:

http://auction.catawiki.com/kavels/5417311-citroen-c2-vts-2003

Easy import but never would be registerable as roadworthy vehicle.

>>14875946
I'm in university so my time is limited (and possibly a premium depending on exams, lol engineering rapes you in the ass in Germany). If you can deal with that, sure, I'm not averse to some adventures.

>>14876028
Where are you located in DE?

>>14876047
South. Sadly not Hamburg my friend.

I went to a used dealer and he told me the price on the car I was looking at was non negotiable. I thought all prices were to some degree..I'm only 19 so that may have been why. Is this actually a thing?

>>14876109
He's trying to rip you off. Did you give him your number? If he calls back bus this balls.

>>14876052
multipanel at hush (dot) c o m

I will reply back with a market that sells for 4 times more on the bottom end here than on your end over there. If we could pack 4-6 in a container its gold Jerry, gold I tells ya.

>>14871822
Greensboro or Raleigh. Maybe Fayetteville considering all the dindoos you talk about.

>>14876140
sent :^^)

>>14876121
He has my number because they "only take appointments." He showed up 45 minutes late, if he does call I'll tell him he needs to work with me

>>14876182
He's obviously trying to put you down and basically interact "down" to you so you feel like any offer he makes is a generous one in his extremely limited schedule that you barely register on. Fuck him up and do not ever be afraid to tell him to eat shit for trying to rip you off. Do not be pressured into a sale.

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>>14871471
I live in an expensive area of California and my quote is $1,000 less than yours. What gives?

>>14876233
Because wealthier people buy luxury/higher end cars, thus keeping the supply of these types of cars up and demand lower, which results in lower prices.

>>14876204
Yeah that's the vibe I was getting..when he saw I had zero credit he gave me this dirty look. Of course I have none I'm 19 I've been working for a year and I'm in school. The only reason I stayed was because the car he has very low miles, one of lowest in my area

>>14876527
What kind of car are you aiming at? How much?

>>14874609
If that's your experience I feel sorry for you if you don't make good choices in life. Leant to buy good clean cars for cheap or pay out of your ass for new.

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>>14876571
Lexus IS 300, I found a 2002 with 60,000 miles, 1 owner with a clean title for 10 grand. The price isn't too bad...especially since most of the others I've found have over 100,000 miles and are around the same price. I've got 15 grand saved up but I'' trying to get the best price possible.

>>14877561
Does that car mean something special to you? Because I personally, with the aftermarket and spare parts situation in America, would go for a Crown Vic for 3k to 6k. Those in that price range are usually unreasonably pristine and well maintained and even if anything breaks you can just exchange the part for pennies at the nearest junkyard.

>>14876233

>Fiesta ST for 19k

Sign me up senpai

>>14877593
I've had my eye on the is 300 for a few months now. I love the look, not flashy but not boring, 4 doors, and a little extra horsepower. I don't need a lot because I drive like a pussy anyway but I enjoyed the power on the test drive. I thought about a crown Vic but I don't really like driving a "cop car." IS 300's also have great reliability apparently

>>14877690
Well, you're def not doing anything wrong with a Lex but, you know, I'm looking at this from an engineering perspective and the best vehicle is always the one that you have a steady, cheap and reliable supply infrastructure for. If you were in Europe I'd suggest you get a Golf, or a Twingo, ot an Opel Corsa B. Since you're in America, full body Ford sedan #343524324 ought to be a good bet. Your choice though.

Am I able to bring a mechanic along to checkout a dealership car? Also, 21 and absolutely no credit, looking at picking a 02 Gti. What am i getting in to?

>>14876233

goddamn they're like 30k in canada

fuck this place

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>>14877714
If I was smart I'd get something boring, reliable, cheap but you know how it is when you're 19, you want something you like. The Lexus seems to be a good compromise...I could have picked something much worse

>>14877748
Yeah like I said, you're def not doing anything wrong with it. Follow your own choices man, this is a pretty good one as far as I can tell.

>>14877728
>looking at picking a 02 Gti
>buying a VW
>buying a used VW
>buying a used sporty VW
>buying a used sporty VW that's been out of warranty for a decade

You are looking at buying a broken piece of shit that will need everything fixed on it within a year, and VW parts are, hilariously, priced along the lines of Audi and Porsche parts.

Do not do this thing you are thinking of doing.

>>14877732
It's your currency collapse.

>>14875057
Thank you LPG, truly helpful advice.

>>14877762
Owned 16v Scirocco with no problems, and besides parts being scarce were not that expensive. Give me some examples as why they're that bad.

>>14875831
No you're fine, I will try and dip by, just had shit to get done this evening

>>14875880
in that case, 1-2 weeks. That sort of stuff usually has a fairly short shelf life, unless it's ordered in some god awful color combo. Extremely base model shit, and extremely high end stuff tends to lag. middle of the road sedans with decent options usually have no problem getting off the lot

And yes, the traditional wisdom of going towards the end of the month still holds true, even for used. All of them have quotas to get too.

>>14876142
RDU area

>>14876233
Because California

>>14877801
No problem

>>14878156
It's four in the morning over here and I can't sleep. Pop right on into the Discord and we can laff it up while I drink this honeyed milk.

>>14877561
>>14877748

I'm with you there. I'm looking for an IS300 too.
Wish there were more with manual transmissions though.

Still dat inline 6 and RWD and Lexus reliability and build quality.

>>14871216
Hey lpg so I got a used car from a dealership. And 1 day after the rear driver window won't roll up anymore. We brought it back and they said we had to pay a couple hundred bucks but the manager said he'd help pay for it or some shit. Shouldn't the dealership pay for it. I mean it was one day.

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>>14871216
What is scummiest thing you have done? Ever sold a shit box to am unknowing customer?

>>14878750
they're under no obligation, no warranties expressed or implied

Can we get on with the stories?

>>14878844
K dat sux

For anyone trying to buy a new car and want the best price:

GO TO THE DEALERSHIP WEBSITE AND SUBMIT AN EPRICE/PRICE QUOTE/INFORMATION REQUEST ETC

Literally all you have to say is "I am contacting all dealers within 200 miles that sell XXXX and will be purchasing from whoever gives me the best price."

At that point you say how you want a quote: cash price, lease with xxxxx criteria, the dealership document fee, added accessories you don't want --- total out-the door cost.

Once you get pricing, ask for a buyers order to be sent to you that clearly outlines the VIN, selling price, taxes, fees, etc. If you get to the dealership and anything changes, LEAVE.

I regularly quote people $900-$2200 BELOW our dealer cost [invoice minus holdback] via Internet pricing, yet people in the showroom who are "driving to every dealership in the area" get cracked for $500 below sticker.

>>14878877
Oh, and if you get responses that completely ignore your price request, just move on. It will be like pulling teeth getting a price from that dealership.

Internet [BDC] employees get paid on appointments that come into the showroom and the sale. If you don't come in, they don't make any money. That's why you'll find they heavily push the appointment and call you 400 times without giving you a real price yet.

Make up an email account solely for your search, and put down a fake number.

>>14878527
Only found 2 Manuals, both with around 120,000 miles. Not bad but I'd prefer something lower so I'll have to settle for the automagic. I loved how the car felt when I test drove so I'm determined on getting one

>Keeping this alive for interest

>>14871955

How much are kei cars?

>>14872212

what the fuck? I had to buy a reman head for my Escort (2.0L SPI) with better valve seats and it was only $500

>>14875445
Visit Luxembourg. :^)

>>14882344
It wasn't just the head, it was also water pump, radiator, lots of hoses, timing chain, etc.

>>14879116
Lucky, all the is300s round here are 150k miles or more. Even the automatics.

>>14878877
>>14878923
Thanks for this advice, I'll give it a go.

>>14871216
I've got about $4k to spend on a used car that'll last me a year or two. I've never bought a used car before, so I'm fairly cautious when dealing with dealerships, since we all know how scummy and dangerous they can potentially be.

What's the best way to cover my ass when looking at cars from a used dealership? At my budget I'm not going to be getting anything certified, and most likely all sales will be as-is. Is it standard practice to have a third party mechanic inspect the car prior to purchase? How do I go about this? How thorough is the inspection?

I guess I'm worried about buying a car and having it shit out on me not long after owning it, so I just need some advice to prevent that from happening.

>>14883031
At that pricepoint you might as well check the sticky.

If I was in your shoes, I would get a 1500-2000 crappy car and spend the rest getting it in good shape. Just as long as you're not doing any major repairs (transmission/engine) you'll even be under your budget.

Then again, I'm not a dealerfag, so take my advice with a grain of salt.

>>14871640
>boxers
Ew wtf is wrong with you fag
Enjoy getting swamp ass and your ballsack getting stuck to your leg

http://www.edmunds.com/cadillac/deville/2001/used/vin/?vin=1G6KD54Y91U200589

>>14883077
This is one of the cars with an autocheck report. It seems pretty good, but I still want to have it inspected. What's the procedure for that?

https://www.diigo.com/item/pdf/5gt7b/kywq?k=d5c64a7fcea8b68865d8a6179ab42d66

Also, is there anything glaringly stupid about this?

I have a 2000 corolla, automatic air blows cold, just a few scuffs and scratches from rocks and the like from 23x,xxx miles is there any hope to sell this car for a over 2grand if its cleaned up with new tires?

>>14875252
Say I manage to buy a crown Vic for 1200 with a shit ton of miles, how much money am I going to have to pump into it to keep it running? I don't see much point in buying a car like this that I'll have to spend a ridiculous amount fixing up.

>>14883338
>how much money am I going to have to pump into it to keep it running?
Ever been to a casino?

>>14883154
pimpmobile/10

>>14883240
I'm in a similar boat, how about a 2003 corolla with with 203,000 miles and with some parking lot scars?

>>14871216
tell me about those outrageous deals I hear about on the radio. like $8000 guaranteed for any trade in, even a total shitbox. there's no way a dealership can eat a $7000 spread on a $1000 car, is there?

>>14883338
Basically, depends on what craps out and what was replaced or serviced before. Vics are known for having worn out transmissions because of cops being lead-footed madmen. I don't think I need to tell you to get new brake pads and rotors. Obviously exchange all of the fluids as soon as you get the thing, and I mean all of them from brake fluid to motor oil to tranny fluid.

On the other hand, it's a bigass Ford sedan with the most jellybean parts that you could imagine. Any part that breaks you can probably go and get for pennies at a pick n pull junkyard from one of the eight billion other ford sedans.

>>14883338
I bought a Crown Vic police interceptor at 80,000 miles took it up to 160,000 miles what i did in between those miles was:

Power steering pump
AC Compressor
4 ignition coils
Wheel bearing hub
Serpentine belt

All relatively easy to do by myself and when i got the car i had 0 knowledge about cars

>>14883154
Bump, still curious if it's a retarded idea to buy this. Also wondering why it went through 6 owners in 15 years.

>>14878877
I'll give that a go mate, i went to local dealer on the weekend, they wrote down all the shit and haven't heard a peep apart from an automated text message asking how my experience was but no quote no nothing...
Will try other dealers

>>14871216
Hoping LPG checks this thread still.
Is the price for this Mazda 3 fair for the apparent condition and the mileage https://orlando.craigslist.org/cto/5540998461.html

>>14883031
Can someone answer this post? I'm in a similar situation and want to not get fucked over.

>>14888711
What country?

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So itt have we determined the lowest possible price from a dealer comes from using dealer financing to push the price down as low as possible, and then paying it off as fast as possible and not agreeing to any financing that has a fee for early payment or pre-compounds the interest?

>>14871216
Hey LPG, I went to a ford dealership looking to trade in my 2014 mazda6 for a new fiesta st and they acted like pricks and gave me a ridicolously high number for the monthly payments on the FiST(415 a month for 6 years). Anyways I asked them how much was my interest rate and he said he couldnt reveal that information. Then I asked how much he was taking my trade in and he said he couldnt reveal that information either. I said goodbye and he finally revealed it to me just to make me stay I guess, he was taking my mazda6 for 12200 or somewhere around that. Anyways I laughed at him and walked out, they did lower it to 326 a month but it seemed too much money for a FiST I am already paying 339 a month for 72 months and 18% interest for a mazda6 (wasnt my choice thats another dumb story). Anyways tl;dr is it true dealerships cannot reveal to you how much they are taking your trade in for? Also is it also bullshit when they say they cannot reveal to you your interest rate? Oh and I was thinking of going around wanting to know how much they would offer for my mazda, can you just go to a dealership and ask them if they couls evaluate their car, before you even decide to talk about exchanging for a car in their lot? Thankk youuu

>>14888795
USA

>>14889437
Don't buy from a dealership at all. LPG stated multiple times in threads that dealerships are only good for cars beyond the 10k mark. If you want a car cheaper than that just go Craigslist hunting. Stick to reliable stables like Honda Accord, Civic, Toyota Corolla or (if you dare) Prius. Or hell, if you feel like big balls tonight, just go for a Crown Vic off the closest municipal auction. Doesn't get more easily repaired than a full size Ford sedan with an entire nation's worth of spare parts in junkyards to pick over.

How much do rare cars hit up the stealership and do they overprice them?
I was thinking of Porsche 944 rare. I've seen them for 5k euros around here.Wondering if stealerships might have it, though unlikely as it seems they deal with commuter cars for most part.

>>14884785
>wondering why it went through 6 owners in 15 years

Because it's a Deville. Each owner had it for a year or two, then had to sell it either because he was going to jail, or because he needed a newer, flashier lifestyle accessory.

That, or it's got a blown head gasket, and each owner just drives it long enough to find out, then dumps Blue Devil in it and sells it.


>>14889179
That's the general consensus. Financed price will always be better than cash price. Finance and then pay in full in the first 3 months.

>>14889292
you gettin' scammed.

Currently paying 256 bi weekly for a 2014 f150, 60month term...
Been on it for about 2 years now.. Am I getting ripped off as a Canadian? Also what are my re financing abilities if any?
Currently paying 2.65% or some shit on interest..
Didn't have credit at the time but I do now..

>>14889707
If it's got a blown headgasket, would a mechanic be able to catch that sort of thing on the initial inspection?

>>14889463
Well what specifically is wrong with dealers at that price point? Is it almost guaranteed their cars will be junk? Also a crown vic is definitely a tempting option for me, but I can't really afford to be sinking a ton of money in repairs into one, and I don't know the first thing about them, their parts, or finding their parts.

I specialize in guns, not cars. If I had 100 more hours in a day I'd learn everything I could about cars, but alas.

>>14890448
Dealers often only sell touched up dumps at that price point and will almost assuredly be lying about crash damages or whatever needs to be done. Also, dealers always sell at a premium because they buy at whatever CL average price there is and sell at profit. Dealers also most often aim for a financing plan and LPG explicitly said never to go for a sub-10k finance plan for a car more than 10 years old because your rates and APR will be horrible.

Also, what guns? Nuggits?

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>>14890472
Nuggets are meme-tier, but I do a lot of military surplus.

>>14890487
Y'oughta go for an old police cruiser then. Nothing more American.

In general, for those Vics, here's the rundown: the engine's a tank, the transmission is also good but weaker. If it was running hard for a long time, that's where the wear will be. Cops treat these machines badly, so pick one with low miles, under 100k if at all possible. You'll have to pay a bit more, but it'll be worth it in the long run.

I won't even mention all the standard wear and tear parts like brake rotors, brake pads, all of the fluids (brake, power steering, engine oil, tranny oil etc.), but those certainly need changing too. That's standard on all cars though.

I won't go into mods. Fords are infinitely moddable, at least in the USA.

>>14890472
>sub-10k finance plan for a car more than 10 years old
But 18k on 15 year old car okay?

>>14890543
No. Anything that old is too dangerous. Any part may crap out any time and then you're left to pick up the pieces of the loan. Loans are there to finance new cars that run safe and well and will not put your finances at risk.

>>14890558
Well if the car craps out, I'm stuck paying for it regardless of if it's financed or not

>>14890618
No shit, but financing a dead car still holds the threat of ruinig your credit score. Just don't buy that old unless you know 100% it's been treated perfectly (protip, you don't)

>>14890632
>holds the threat of ruinig your credit score
Wat

>>14890639
Look mate, if you buy an old beater cash and it craps out, it's just dead and you can move on. If you finance it, it craps out and you're left paying forever, chances are you won't make some of the payments. Your credit score goes down. Why the fuck would you pay so much for an ancient car anyway? Looking for some mint condition Ferrari or what?

>>14890656
I'm not who you think I I'm. I was just going off age and cost with my question. I'm looking at a lowish mileage Z06, not a beater.

I owe 14k on a loan, and the kbb dealer trade in value is around 12k. The Nada value is 15.5k I need to get out of my loan due to an unforeseen layoff, and a dealership has a car I want for 3k. What is the best way to get the dealer to help me get out of my loan? I really appreciate the answer!

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>>14890529
I don't care about mods, I just want a RELIABLE, running car. I'll definitely be looking more seriously at a crown vic if that's the situation.

The only question now is where the hell do I find running crown vics? There were a few on Autotrader but they were listed at 6-7k. Say theoretically I find one in decent shape with under 100k miles, how would I know if the transmission has issues? When buying used from a dealer/wherever else, I'd bring a competent mechanic with me to look things over, but will that be possible wherever you're saying I should go?

Sorry for the newfaggedness, have gun porn in exchange

>>14890984
If you start looking, first just call your local police departement if they're willing to sell you one. Depending on how hick your location is it might just work. They're slowly phasing them out since production stopped in 2012. Or check for municipal auctions, that's where they're the cheapest. Snipe fags love to buy then for 1k-2k at those auctions and then flog them for upwards 5k on various platforms.

Check Craigslist, obviously. It'll def be more expensive than the municipal auctions but I've seen passable ones with halfway acceptable mileage go between 2k and 6k, depending on how much you want the thing to look like a shitbox. Just make sure to only buy unmodded ones from the most pedestrian pre-owners as possible, grandmas a plus. Hoon-machines often are fucked mechanically.

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>>14891023
I'm in south florida, so I'm not too confident when it comes to calling police stations, but I'll give it a try.

And more gun porn, for your viewing pleasure.

>>14891111
Nice quads. And bonus points, cars in Florida are much more plentiful and cheap compared to the north.
https://miami.craigslist.org/search/cta?query=crown+victoria&sort=priceasc&max_auto_miles=90000&auto_title_status=1
Now just pick any that fits your budget and does not have pimp rims.
Oh, and try to figure out the VIN and post it in the VIN check thread. Always good to know the detailed vehicle history of the damn thing.

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>>14891173
Thanks, There are quite a few I can choose from. I'll definitely be looking into this in the next few days. As I asked before, how would I be able to find out if it has issues? I have a little test-drive checklist for shit to listen and feel for that a friend gave me, but should I find a local mechanic to bring it in to for an inspection? I'm definitely gonna look into the VIN beforehand though.

Thanks again!

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Hey longpost, just need to get the grit on not-so-recent car purchase.

Almost a year ago, you helped me decide on upgrading from a v6 mustang to a v8. Same year and color. Well, I wanted to let you know about what happened and what your opinion is.

They were selling it for 32k and some change, I remember after giving you all the info on the car and mine that I should try for 29k or at least stay as close to 30k as possible. Well the short story is that we agreed on $31.5k for theirs and $18k for mine. I got financing for 2.39% and being the spineless person that I am, they convinced me to get the 6 year ESP plan for $1880, since it was fully loaded, missing only the glass roof.

I focused so much on the cost of the loan ($844), and not to focus on the monthly payments that I completely neglected to look at the final cost of the car, after the payments were finished. Well I pulled my papers out again because of a nagging feeling and it turns out I'm paying $35.5k for this car. They even got me for $199 processing fee.

The car had 3.7k miles on it when I bought it so tell me, how badly did I do? Sorry for the long post

>>14892693
Sorry, should mention it was a 2014 model

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>>14892693
>They were selling it for 32k
>I should try for 29k
>at least stay as close to 30k as possible
>I'm paying $35.5k
>$199 processing fee

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>>14892790
Yeah, it sounds even worse when I read it back to myself. I'm not feeling well at all about it. Still love the car, but I'm the worst haggler in the world, and let me tell you, it feels bad.

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>>14892854
>"I'm going to get myself a really good deal!"
>Pays 3.5k over sticker
>and .2k fee

I'm not sure if haggling is what you failed at. What you had trouble with was math.

>>14872513
>Work vehicle is a first gen Prius
>Over 110k miles
>Parked outdoors
>Endures multiple Michigan winters
>Never breaks down
>Battery lasts 5ever
>Even in the worst of shitstorms I still average 38 MPG highway
>Effortless to drive
>Lots of rooms to haul around inventory

Prius is a pretty decent daily driver and work car unless you absolutely need your vehicle to have a soul and an engine that doesn't sound like a food processor.

>>14891583
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rks40ng2C2Y
Do all of this. The scanner thing especially., and also checking the seams.

Great thread. Questions unanswered. Engaging CPR.

>>14871611
>>14871640
dont forget that sweet sweet insurance. in australia it's compulsory to get comprehensive insurance. because car dealerships make a fuckton of sweet cash off the premium. then they make more the longer you stay with that company. its not just the one off, it's also a continuing retained customer dividend.

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>>14890413
Ordinarily yes, but it can be covered up for a few months with a can of "block sealer" and a coolant flush.

>window shopping used vehicles at dealerships in town
>see a few I really like
>decide to guess what kind of rate (high 600's credit score, it took a little dive because I was a good little goy and maxed out some credit cards but I'm paying them off at an alright rate without missing a single payment and should have them payed off by the end of the year) I'd get on them with my credit
>could actually afford it easily
>even more so if I pay off the credit cards
>tfw kinda want to get it now but feel like waiting would be smarter.

Am I better off selling my car myself? I'd use whatever I make off of it to add to my down payment.

>04 ZX3 Focus
>no mechanical problems of any kind
>would have 155-160k miles by the time I sell it
>has visible body rust but no rotting yet
>cracked bumper
>dent in the passenger side fender
>dent in thepassemger side quarter pannel
>scratches on the drivers side

The dent in the passenger side quarter pannel is softball size and it's been there since I got the car. The others three all happened when I had the car parked somewhere and it got hit.

>>14895189
Also what should I look out for when buying an F150 from around 2007-2010?

Hey LPG does your dealership currently have any C5 Corvettes that haven't been raced/abused?

Sadly, most of them have due to their price to power ratio, but I've seen quite a few clean ones, so I stay optimistic in my search. However, clean ones get snatched up pretty quickly the second they are listed on any car site...

I've been talking to a friend of mine who runs a dealership and he says most dealers don't immediately list a car they just get, they take a bit to look it over and all that, is this true for yours?

>tl;dr Do you have any clean C5 Vettes and how long do you usually wait to list a car on a car site after getting it in?

>>14875445

>will I catch top much hate as an American if I spend like 1-2 weeks in Germany

Not at all. Also, don't be too concerned about speaking fluent German, most all Germans speak English.

All in all a nice trip, but stay out of Hamburg. It's ugly. Go South, Bavaria is really pretty. That's all the advice I can give, hope it helps.

>>14895200
Your vagina

Get at least a 250 you fag

>>14892693
>31.5k for theirs
>.85k cost of loan
>total cost $32,350

Where are you getting the extra $3k tacked on?

Cost of loan is the projected accrued interest, right?

LPG, I have two questions.

First, is there a compressed archive of screencaps of your various story threads? I find all of them interesting and would like to sit down to read through them.
I bet you could get a book published if you wanted to (anonymously if need be). I'm sure similar publications exist, but someone would find enjoyment out of reading it.

Second, I'm looking to get a early 2000s 3-5 door hatch in stick. Looking at Pontiac Vibe (particularly GT) and Ford Focus (ZX3/ZX5/ZTW or potentially an SVT). What else should I look for or avoid? Looking to spend about 3-4k, maybe more with credit. My credit score is pretty good. Any tips/tricks?

>>14896911
The service plan knocked it up almost another 2k, and along with government and processing fees, it came up to the final price.

>>14896911
>>14897349
Sorry forgot to mention, yes the cost of the loan is the accrued interest.

>>14897349
What does the service plan include?

>>14897372
Ford ESP Premium, and by their definition (and looking at the brochure they gave me), it's the most comprehensive plan, supposed to cover everything from pretty much all engine components, as well as all body components and electronics (power windows, seats, infotainment, nav).

By their wording it pretty much covers the entire car. Good for 72 months or 75,000 miles. Doesn't include any maintenance though, its as different plan entirely.

>>14897911
For 6 years? I'd say that's worth the extra you paid, easily.

Not sure of the specifics, but that basically means your vehicle expense is steady for half a decade.

LPG,

1.5 Years ago I bought a 2013 Dodge Dart Limited that's fully loaded, turbo engine and 6mt. I now am being put through an unforseen layoff, and desperately need to get rid of the car.

Do you think it's possible a dealership would buy it off me? I currently owe 14k on it. It's KBB dealership trade in is around 10-11k, and it's private party value is about 12k. The NADA value is 15k.

What is the best way I can go about selling my car to try and get as much of the money as I can towards it? I can probably pay the remainder off if it is within $2000

>>14897918
Thanks, I feel a bit more justified that I got it.

>>14898298
Are you financed through chrysler capital? What's your interest rate? You may just be best off just trying to sell it and paying the difference.

bumpi

>>14896006
wooh the size of my truck makes me manly wooh

>>14875093
yeahhh, trying to avoid my bank
or any really
or irs

>>14900394
Should you really be buying a car anon?

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>if I was LPG i'd abandon this thread too

>>14896933
>screencaps
http://archive.4plebs.org/o/search/tripcode/%21%219TEWI1TbGdH/page/1/

>What is the only Pontiac model to be produced for the 2010 model year?
that's right, the Vibrator!

>>14883338
Engine running hours is another part to keep an eye on just as much as miles. Fuckers run all day long. As stated there are countless Vic's to scavenge parts from.

>>14872513
>But I will not demean and degrade myself by purchasing the same car used by every self-righteous smug asshole in the country.
tbqh I have never interacted with a smug prius driver
the smuggest assholes drive mercs or bimmers

>>14902678
How do I find engine running hrs? Why is it important?

I found a black crown Vic with 120k mi for 2500 that I'm going to go see tomorrow

>>14903017
I think they have a meter somewhere? Haven't been in one for ages. Not particularly good for gas engines to sit and idle all day so it's just extra wear the miles won't show you.

>>14871216

It's my first week as a used car salesman and my dealership has been really slow, talking 1-4 ups a DAY all week. How do I sell fucking cars like this? Do I just wait for it to pick up?