Sleepers

self bump cause i want a little more info/options than what i have now

>>14870923
>v6 maxima

lemme fix that for you:
>2002-2003 v6 manual maxima
>2004+ v6 altima manual*

>>14870999
altimas? i never really entertained them, how do they compare to the 02 maxima SE?

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Crown victoria

An M3 rebadged as a base 3 series.

>>14871014
what can i do with ford panthers that i could just buy a marauder for
>>14871025
i know youre probably going to tell me to get an e36, but i'm a bit skeptical on BMW's

What's your budget?

>>14871025

Anyone who is even slightly interested or even dislikes bimmers can tell the difference between an m3 and base 3 series

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>>14871042
good point. you never posted your budget though. i figured you're a poorfag like the rest of us.

>>14871043
i am maxing out between 6-7.5K

Ford Taurus SHO

V6 Toyota Camry and then turbo it (I guess)

Old Chevy Caprice and then drop a 4.8 or 5.3L truck engine in + turbo + tune. Or just build the carbed 350 it doesn't matter.

>>14871042
Around me, Crown Vics are $5k max. You pay $5k more for about 70 horsepower. That's money better spent in an easy 100+ hp in forced induction, better gearing and suspension, etc.

>>14871054
I'll have to research the plumbing that goes into a camry and compare it to a maxima
Modern SHO's are out of budget and earlier ones are a bit more costly to modify
Engine swaps are no gos, for the cost I could just straight up buy a 96 impala SS

>>14871058
Ok cool, I'm looking for more low end torque on even power bands, so I could check out the cost on supercharging a panther platform and the work required

>>14871051
Alright here's a ton of quick or potentially quick cars of a wide variety in no particular order

Acura TL
Lincoln LS V8
Taurus SHO
Old Gallant VR-4 with the 4G63
TSX or 03-05 Accord 4-cylinder for that K24
Volvo 850r or V70R
Saab 9-3, or Saabaru (9-2x)
Audi A3 2.0T plus a tune (if you want an amazing 6-speed manual)
Cobalt SS Turbo Sedan or HHR SS (I know)
PT Cruiser GT (or whichever one had the SRT-4 engine)

>>14871106
I've been looking at TL'S, 6 speed can be had for 4500 and parts can be replaced with honda parts
Volvo reliability I'm a bit scared of, there's an S60 diwn the street from me with the same situation I'm in that's been jacked up since January
Same goes for Audi and Saab's that aren't Saabaru's
Cobalt SS's I have been looking at

>>14871106
+1 on the v70/s60r
good samples can be found in your price range, 300 hp from factory, pretty reliable by euro standards. put in another 3-4k and you get 400 hp. here's mine, not super sleeper-ish but definetly not considered "racecar"

>>14871137
I also know LS V8 reliability is a little more on the sketchy side

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>>14871146
i forgot a picture i'm retarded

>>14871154
bretty nice

>>14870849
>and because my mother would flip shit if I were to buy an obviously fast
Do you still live with momma, kid?

>>14871235
yeah dude i'm in high school
>inb4 young

>>14871261
underage B&

>>14871235
it's also probably for my own good
going fast and dying is inevitable with some like an SN95 cobra or an LS catfish

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Accord V6 6-speed. 0-60 in under 6 seconds. Godlike shifter. Comfy. Practical. Reliable.

>>14870849
i have a 2013 maxima. can confirm is pretty fucking fast for a family sedan (0-60 in 5.7 to 6 seconds) handles great and is fairly roomy

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>>14871303

>>14870849
forget the maxima (altima) bolt iswap with 300zx twin turbo but only if you own shares in a petrol station.
a better option is: infinity g20 (nissan primera) same sr20 as all the other nissans so parts are cheap enough and no one looks at them. used to win the british touring car races in the 90s

mazdaspeed cars are too hard to find and cost a mint when you do.

the best sleepers have always been vw beetles. the newer ones (2001+) are basically a vw golf. and the rule is never buy a auto one. because vw doesnt make a good sludgebox.

>>14870849
ford focus or fiesta fampai

>>14871358
the infiniti g20 are not the most reliable. avoid any vw if your looking for cheap parts, avoid maaximas from 2004-2008, v6 altimas were extremely reliable from 2007-2012 and v6 maximas have been extremely reliable from 2009-2014. accords are good but the v6's have bad transmissions. camry v6 are extremely reliable and surprinsgly quick (0 to 60 in 6 seconds or so)

>>14871106
>Accord 4-cylinder for that K24

I drive one and I wish I had the V6 manual 2bh

Lexus gs460, not the gs430.

Now that I see your budget maybe the gs400? Maybe you wants something newer, but this is what I'd pick. Very reliable engine that you can beat on. It has the buttons to tell the automatic transmission what gear to go into, so it's fun to drive. Just throw an exhaust on and you'll have a lot of fun.

Downside is that you can't get much more power out of the engine. Don't buy the gs300 thinking you can turbo it, the vvti 2jzge engine has weak rods that can't handle a turbo.

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>>14870849
>>14871673

>tfw some old jewish lady in Florida has a 5.4 second 0-60 time in this hybrid with totally linear acceleration and a 13.5 second quarter mile.

>>14871701
holy shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbv1i6GvE7s

>>14871673
You can get a fuckton of power out of the GS400 engine, but it requires forced induction. Also depends if it's a vvti 1uz or not.

There's a guy where I live running 700rwhp on a stock block non-vvti 1uzfe. Twin turbo. It's epic, in a 70's corolla. Turboing a 1uz isn't exactly childs play though, at least not for my LS400.

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>>14870849
TL Type S
G8 GXP
1st Gen CTS V
E39 545i/M5
E36 M3 sedan
E36 hatch(?)
Volvo S60R/V70R
G35/37 Sedan
Altima SE-R
EP3 Civic Si
Mazdaspeed Protege 5
Mazdaspeed3 and 6
Focus SVT
Cobalt SS
WRX
RSX Type S
TSX

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>>14871780
>cars with distinctive physical features which makes them stand out aesthetically
>sleepers
Pick one jackass

+1 for the Saab 92x Aero.

I found a mint, one owner, 05 for my girlfriend.
Her previous car (05 Legacy 2.5i sedan) got totaled so I figured something a bit more sporty would be cool.
It's an automatic, but still surprisingly quick once the turbo spools up. Also pretty nimble and has responsive steering.
She absolutely loves the car, washes it every week, takes care of it like it's her baby.
We do the basic maintenance together when it's needed, fairly easy car to work on. (dat Subaru modularity.)
It's got a damn nice interior and great sounding factory stereo too.
Overall, I'd say it's a really cool car. Unique enough to feel special while driving it, but not as flashy and "boy-racer" as the Subaru equivalent.

>>14871732
All GS400s have vvti
I made 310whp with bolt ons, porting, and tuning. Not an insane amount, but a fair bit for a small high revving NA v8.

>>14871780
>E36 M3 Sedan
>sleeper
Are you mentally retarded or do you just not know what sleeper means?

>>14873162
E36 M3 is the opposite of a sleeper anyway. Has a racer look but does mid 6s 0-60. There's a Camry nowadays that pulls harder than that. Cars that were fast 20 years ago aren't necessarily fast anymore.

>>14873230
E36 M3 is REALLY subdued. Especially with not yet having the 4 exhausts.

>>14871267
you can be 18 in high school you moron

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHxW-NxkHRo

nobody expects the LS

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>>14871358
> G20

Good answer is good. Or get the Sentra sedan with the SR20 - 1994-1999 Sentra SE. Basically, scour Wikipedia for good engines put in worthless cars. Pic related could be had with a 4AGE. Yes, it's a Geo.

ford crown victoria

modifications are plentiful and available anywhere in north america.

plus the car itself is comfy as fug

>>14871780
TL and TSX im looking at
G8 is out of budget
CTSV is out of budget and doesnt really scream sleeper since most people can tell its not a normal CTS
RSX, FoSVT, and Civic Si are ehhh
WRX i can consider because it could get under my moms nose but it would probably have to be bugeye to be in budget, maybe the gen after
BMW and Volvo reliability is sketchy
>>14873408
not really looking to do engine swaps

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Someone has to say it: Civic. Double wishbone suspension, low curb weight, practically infinite aftermarket. 300 horsepower out of a moderately boosted B20 is not out of the question. Do it right and it can look very good too.

>>14873417
The G20/Sentra SE came stock with the sr20. The Prism came stock with a 4AGE. No swapping required.

>>14873421
oh i read that wrong, my mind put a "to" between put and in
but how eays are they to be modded, the age turns me off because it will be hard to find an older model, and thats another gripe of my mothers, but again, with good reason

A Chevy corsica sleeper

>>14873425
an older, good condition model*

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Turbo Mopars
USDM4LIFE

>>14873437
those interest me too as well as the starion but realiability becomes an issue, as well as age
but those things make me kum

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>>14873460
Turbo Mopars, especially the Turbo II ones (intercooled 2.2 engines) give no fucks about reliability. They're built tough like bomb proof tough.

I've owned two, one boosted to around 300bhp and other one stock. The boosted one had half a million on the clock and still ravaged the local streets. Thing was based as fuck because it also got ridiculously good em pee gees.
Was rear ended by a truck. Still miss it.

Still have the stock one with almost 300k km on the clock, still going strong and making sure that the local VW scene of our small town doesn't get too out of hand.

>>14873487
Which transmission did you have in those? I have a Turbo I backed up by the a525, and heard a pretty mixed bag about them, some saying they're bullet proof and others that they're made of glass.

>>14873460
The older 525 was kinda ehh, the Turbo II had the A555 on both of my GTCs. They're much stronger than the old 520 and 525. Original clutches are a bit ehh though, they slip quite easy when attempting burnouts.

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>>14870849
>fellow sleeperbro
I salute thou

>easymode

Corolla S. Bonus points if you can find one with the TRD bold-on supercharger.

Mazdaspeed 3/6

3 less so, 6 moreso

Ford Fusion Titanium (2013)
It's autotragic only but it has a bretty good aftermarket.

Ford Fusion (old body style)
If memory serves correctly there was an older fusion that was AWD, had a V6, and was available in manual.


Pontiac Vibe

Nissan Sentra SE-R Spec-V
I only specify Spec-V because the newer sentras (while having a worse engine - swap it) come in an SE-R and an SE-R Spec-V trim, and only the Spec-V gets the manual, rest are CVT.


Nissan Altima SE-R

Ford Flex

Toyota Rav4

Ford Escort ZX2

pretty much any non-vert Saab

Older Mercedes Benzes
I know what you think, but ones from 2004 can and still will punch with cars from 2015.

Lincoln LS /w the V8

Volvo S60R (not the most agile car, the thing quite literally handles like my truck)
source : drove one for a week

Cobalt SS

Neon SRT-4 rebadged as an SXT

Aveo Hatchback

Abarth 500

Mini Cooper

Infiniti Sedans

Bimmer wagons.

>>14870849
First gen CTS-V, de-badge it, then put some nitrous on it or whatever go fast upgrades you prefer.

Also get a cutout exhaust so most of the time it's quiet but you can switch it to be stupid loud and scare people.

>>14870849
>my mother would flip shit if I were to buy an obviously fast car and I'm not too keen on driving an applia
So what?

>>14870849
>>14871780

Friendly reminder that anything that says "M", or "SVT", or "SS", or "Mazdaspeed 6" or "Hemi" or "SRT" etc is not considered to be a genuine sleeper.

>Unless you remove the badging, graphics and certain (fairly important) parts--like the bumper and the rear air splitter--from your car.

And even then sharp eyed folks can usually discern if your vehicle is truely a sleeper based on the minor, but very important details....

...like the number of tail pipes

....size of the rims/tires

.....size of brake pads and rotors (even if you paint them some sort of stock color..like black)

>>14871042
A marauder is a panther first of all, second of all crown vics cost probably a third of what a marauder will cost you. Spend the money you saved on mods.

>>14873875

This

>>14873875
My cousin owns an old body style fusion and he says it sucks ass,especially because he used to have an M tune 3 series and an LS1 trans am

>>14870849
>my mother would flip shit if I were to buy an obviously fast car
Fucking hell, stop acting like a bitch and buy one. It's your money, do what you want with it.

>>14874008
no matter what i do i can not automotively redpill her
it would be better for insurance anyways

>>14871054
The 9c1 police issue caprices have the 5.7 LT1. Try to find one of those, usually dirt cheap to buy

>>14874002
>comparing a stock sedan to a tuned up 3 series and an LS1 powered muscle car

m8 you asked for sleepers.

>>14873875
Meh list. ZX2's transmissions and differentials can't handle much boost, and are only worth 150hp absolute maximum all-motor.

Why get a Corolla S when you can get a 2005-2006 XR-S with the 2ZZ?

Aveo? Really?

>>14874049
Most of these can be had cheap and can have work done to them cheaply, while keeping them within the criteria of quiet.
The ZX2 is an example of a particularly ambitious build.
Aveo? Yes. Though it would be a risk as they don't have much of a non-imported aftermarket.

You got me on the XRS corolla, I forgot that the Corolla S is a new trim.

And while I'm thinking, a Scion xB would make a very nice sleeper.
Maybe some of the Kia models as well.
I always liked the idea of that.

>>14873418
The problem with the B20s are the sleeves, to make proper horsepower with them the blocks need to be sleeved because the stock sleeves will crack (check the forums), essentially all B20s have to be properly built in order to make power reliably

>>14874109
lad there's a handful of cars out there that come out the box ready to sleep on people, and none of them we can likely afford.
Most if not all sleeper setups will require you to build. Like, a lot of building.
That's the difference between a sleeper and a sports car. The sleeper is a goal, the sports car is a finished product.

that said I don't consider hondas to be very sleeper anymore. they can be, it's just not as surprising when they are.

>>14873875
>Ford Fusion (old body style)
I own a '10 Fusion Sport, your memory is incorrect, the only trim Fusion that you can get manual is the S trim which is the Duratec 2.5, the Sport and non-sport V6 AWDs are auto only

>>14874123
>duratec 2.5
better engine for bulding off of desu, I'd only suggest older AWD fusions for the AWD.

>>14874128
Only for the gas mileage, inknow post facelift the Duratec 30s got bumped to 240hp AWD or not, but the AWD in the Sport is stronger due to the Duratec 35

>>14874121
I know what you're saying, not disagreeing with a thing, not OP btw, I was just commenting on the B20 because that's what has been said by Honda builders working with B20s, I've heard the B16s and B18s can take boost on stock internals upto 400hp as long as they have a good tune, but B20 sleeves crack in the same place every time

>>14871154
>>14871146
>fwd

>>14874159

>2005 and newer front wheel drive Impalas as sleeper cars

>>14874155
>AWD
fair enough. And even then, some basic rooting around the web says that the 3.0 V6 and manual tranny from the Mazda6 fit into the older style Ford Fusions, so there is the possibility of an AWD V6 Manual, just not from the factory.

And as far as the civics would go, it was more of a general statement by me. I'm the guy who posted
>>14873875
Sleepers almost never come built from the factory, and when they do, they rarely keep the sleeper label for long, as it's only a matter of time before a benchracer looks at the specs and goes "oh fuck!"

There are two vehicles I can think of that haven't followed this trend -
Chevy SS (because it's so new and HC rebrands are never very popular)
Volvo S60R (Volvos aren't seen as the same sort of foreign luxury status symbol as other, more well known German brands)

>>14874179
Those are shit sleepers. The last good Impala for sleeping without an extreme re-build would be the 90's SS.

>>14874186
>Those are shit sleepers.

That's the point I was trying to make

>>14874186
>so there is the possibility of an AWD V6 manual, just not from the factory

Nah, still isn't because that trans from the first gen 6 was not part of an AWD system to begin with, therefore it's not compatible with the AWD system of the Fusion unless you do a shitload of fabrication which is going to get expensive to the point where you could actually buy a proper car with a V6 and AWD

>>14874197
but you weren't making it for the correct reasons. FWD isn't undesirable on a sleeper

>>14874204
>buy a proper car
which defeats the purpose of building the sleeper.
That's the eternal paradox we have.
Do we want to build our dream car and sell it for pennies on the dollar?
Or do we want to buy our dream car and total it?

>>14874208

.....I apologize for not making it clear for you then.

I do not, nor have I ever thought that, front wheel drive cars would ever make great sleeper cars.

>>14874159
>Volvo R
>post 850
>fwd

pick two

>>14874186
>the last good Impala for sleeping without an extreme re-build would be the 90s SS
Incorrect, the last true sleeper Impala was the 04-05 SS that had the L67/supercharged 3800 which can make some serious power, and the body style was inconspicuous as fuck, the 90s Caprice/Impala are spotted a mile away by anyone that knows anything about cars

>>14874208
Build your dream sleeper, but be more realistic on the approach, trying to fit a square peg (Mazda6 trans) into a round hole (Fusion AWD) is not realistic

>>14874208
>>14874204
Also, most sleeperbros are involved in some sort of automotive work, generally body/small auto shops that do engine work, so most of what we pay for is parts, labor is on our own time.

>>14874214
Which is why it makes it so much more fun for people like me who don't really care about where the wheels are getting their power from as long as they're pushing me forward faster than yours are to you.

>>14871780
>e39 545i
>like there is such a thing

>>14874223
I never said they are a horrible decision, I said they wouldn't make great sleeper cars.

Many police departments use Impalas 2005 and newer Impalas.

I'll give you a great sleeper idea OP
>AE100 Toyota Corolla
>swapped 4A-GZE from MR2 Supercharged
>swap 20V Silvertip/Blacktop cylinder head for 4A-GZE
>build cylinder head
>tune
>???
>profit

>>14874221
90's caprices and Impalas are generally owned by the rougher echelons of society in my area, so yes, it is easy to spot an impala sitting on 20 inch wheels rolling around.
But a stock SS? I mean, I can see it happening at drag strips and during the day, but against today's generation and their obsession with tuners? Likely not. But we'll agree to disagree, no?

As far as the trans swap, i was hoping to prove you wrong but it appears you're right and I'm not the only guy to think that it was that simple, based on forums.
MS6 engines should work, but yeah, the overall consensus is to swap an MS3 engine and tranny into a FWD setup fusion.
Oh well.

>>14874237
And as I said, your entire basis for not wanting one is which pair of wheels receive power, which is not the correct reason as to why they make bad sleepers.

>>14874288
You probably don't even half tonswap an MS3 engine, I would probably just try to either turbo or supercharger the Duratec 2.5

>>14874288

>... your entire basis for not wanting one is which pair of wheels receive power

Particularly when it comes to heavy Front Wheel Drive vehicles such as the 2005 Chevy Impala....

>>14874297
-shrug- When it comes to older fusions I'm going off secondhand sources, I own a 2013 Titanium.

>>14874303

>>14874179
your post here made it seem like your criteria for a sleeper was built before 2005 and not FWD, and you didn't try to correct or expand upon that until now, my apologies.

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Get a 97 - 04 regal gs - $2k tops, put less than 2k into it, 300whp

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>>14874329

>>14870849
i would go the GM route, just so cheap to upgrade/ fix /maintain, you'll be putting those jap v6s within an inch of their little lives trying to make more power out of them. like the movie Drive, i would get a silver plain-clothed impala (ss) with a ton of power under the hood and some wide tires on the back. tint the windows a little bit, make 400+ hp with some bolt ons maybe a tune, you're golden

Get a Subaru Outback with a blown gasket for $500. Get a wrecked WRX/STI engine/brakes. Boom good sleeper.

>Wanting a big plain American rental car
>Okay, Tyrone.

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>>14871047
you cant tell difference between e36 mpacket vs e36 m3 if you just see both of them on street.

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>>14874577

>>14874329
>>14874345
this is why im fond of the L67 platform and is my second choice

>>14874641
Yep, that's my car and I never get a second glance unless I give it enough throttle to make the supercharger scream, and most of the time they're not sure where that noise came from

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GXP Grand Prix

>>14874414
Too bad theyre FWD dumbass

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>>14870849
saab 9000 aero
volvo 850r
volvo v70r/s60r

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>>14876136
9-5 aero makes a damn good sleeper too

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AE102 wagon with 5spd swap, and a built 7A-GTE with Garret GT2871R turbo

>>14876331
no swaps
they will have to wait till once im done with college and got my aerospace eng degree
a personal dream of mine is getting a 59 cadillac 6 series and dropping an ls6 in it and putting it on self adjusting air ride

>>14876472
Technically, it's not a full engine swap, it's the 7A-FE bottom end with either the 16V or one of the 20V 4A-GE heads with GZE pistons, the 7A comes stock in the AE102 Corolla, you're basically just doing engine work

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>>14870999
>>14871009
An Altima SER would be cool if you could find one