Give me one reason I should consider a BMW over a new STI.

>>14864639
Because people won't assume you are a middle aged mother. It's literally the gayest looking car a man could drive next to the miata. I remember watching 2 youtube videos on the miata and both guys were clearly fags, Don't be a fag OP, the ST is trash, if you tried to pick a girl up and she followed you to your car, she would tell you how she left her oven on and needs to leave or that she forgot something and to just wait for her as she walks away and never cones back. Now if you are actually a fag in real life then by all means get an ST. Girls will stay away and men will know you are gay making it easier to pick up men

>The interior is a lot nicer.
>you'll look like a adult douche instead of a kid douche
>sti's reliability is so shit you might as well get a bmw

>>14864721
>bmw's reliability is so shit you might as well get a sti
Ftfy

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>>14864721
>you'll look like a adult douche instead of a kid douche

Well put, supreme gentleman.

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>>14864639
>buying a boy racer car

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Are you socially retarded and believe you need a car as a relationship crutch?

>>14864639
/thread

>>14864727
Id rather replace components than the whole block due to ringland problems

>>14864727
STI reliability is really bad.

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>>14864902
>the average reliability of a car that gets the shit beat out of it its entire life is bad
>this is a surprise

>>14864912
So why do bmw's owned by 10 y/o still last 20 yrs but wrx's can't even last 10 years?

>>14864639
subaru owners are usually women in their 30s or guys in their 20s that think theyre in fast and furious. either way they're one of the most abused cars around.

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>>14864932
tfw people get a car with all wheel drive to think they have a fast car.

>>14864639
Because BMWs can actually look decent, the production WRX is boring as shit. Not to mention the BMWs interior would be echelons above the Subaru's.

I own an 02 Legacy, so if anything I'd be leaning towards the WRX.

M3 owner here chiming in.

We can argue semantics about 0-60 times, AWD, etc. I do believe BMW is superior in many ways, and the STI will have it beat in the snow/mud.

It depends what you want. If you're a car enthusiast, you don't want to deal with the type of people that buy STIs in general. Bunch of Asian Honda/ricerfags. BMW believe it or not, does attract a classier clientele. For $25k, I'd personally buy a 335xi or 335i (e90 or e92) for about 20-22k, and put the rest into mods. For $4-5k in mods, you can get it up to 450 WHP. Interior is debatably nicer, and I have driven both and can firmly say the BMW transmissions, both manual and DCT, are far superior.

>>14864922
[citation needed]

>>14864993
>classier clientele
>basketball americans and middle eastern douchebags vs. yoloswagfaggots and ricers

I think I'd rather hang myself

>>14865006
Really varies area to area. In my area, it's 100% white, 25-45 year old men and women. I understand it's subjective.

>>14865006
try buying an M3 instead of a base model.
>>14864639
pretty much what this guy said >>14864993

Subaru's interiors are just god awful. That alone should be enough reason to not buy one. Then again unless you are looking at used BMWs you don't have enough money to afford a decent new one.

Also subjective, but RWD>AWD

>>14865025
Yeah if you want to top out at $25k, I'd put that all into a newer (2011-2013) 335i, you should get one with under 30k miles. Save up for the mods. Stock, it will keep with an STI. Modded, they are damn quick. Very upgradable cars with stock turbos.

>>14865037
An STI starts at 35k new, which kinda puts OP into a real rut BMW wise new. This does squarely put him in e90/2/3 M3 range which is just worlds better than a Subaru could ever dream of being.

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>>14865048
At 35k he'd be into the e92 M3 range, but buying an M3 with 100k+ on it presents a few problems. E92s for under 25k are typically salvage or 120k+ '08s. I firmly believe he's going to have a better experience going 335i. If he wants to fork out 35k, a low mile e92 M3 would absolutely be his best bet.

Mine for attention.

>>14865062
mmm tasty. i was considering an e92/3 M3 but they are just a tad too large for taste. wound up going with a Z4M that I will probably be trading in for an M2 soon. Bet that V8 with the ESS SC hauls some serious ass tho.

>>14864639
It's a comfier DD.

>>14865112
They are large, comparatively. Even looking at the F82, they got like 6 inches wider again. I think smaller will catch on in 5-15 years in the high end cars. Porsches are even turning into land yachts. Kinda sad. I looked at the Z4M, I don't like the aesthetics, personally. It looks kind of girly IMO, but they are fantastic to drive. Yeah it's a fun car. It's around 3.3 0-60. Next up is down pipes/catback, wheels, and then Awron gauge.

>>14865139
>It looks kind of girly IMO
kek I went with the roadster too but that is because summer car is best car. I really hope smaller cars catch back on the inflation of the 3 series every new model drives me insane. Very thankful for the 1/2 series, just with the M2 had a bit more power, but a Dinan kit should make quick work of that.

>>14865062
Stop posting shit that isn't yours you fucking faggot.

>>14865166
I don't hate the Z4M by any means, and I actually strongly considered it. But I think you know what I mean.

The 1/2 series will likely keep getting bigger. They were supposed to be essentially an updated e46 in terms of power and driving dynamics. I believe the M2 with some pricey mods can be a damn good car. Upgrade turbos, ECU flash, downpipes, intake and pulleys, I bet they'll be up to 600-700hp in the next 2-3 years. I think they look like squished M4s, or mini-M4s in kind of a bad way. I wish they went in a more "unique" direction with it. But I'm probably in the minority there.

>>14865173
Who are you and what do you want from me

Get a WRX instead. Newer engine yields better performance, and is much more reliable.

>>14865190
Are you illiterate? I mean, I know you're pretty stupid pretending to own an M3, but I'd hope that basic English understanding would at least be in your meager toolset.

>>14865194
>Subaru
>Reliable
please, pick one. at least OP will have a warranty assuming he doesn't void it.

>>14865205
If you're the same person that knows who owns "that car" then message that person on FB.

>>14865211
I don't have to message Galen. Stop pretending.

>>14865219
God you're irritating.

Both are shit.

>>14865223
>said by the faggot pretending to own someone else's car

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>>14865025
>M3

that's even worse

>>14865230
Who are you? Initials?

>>14865233
Nah a bunch of poorfags buy high mile newer BMWs. They are the stereotypical BMW cancer. Well maintained M3s are the anti-cancer.

>>14865235
doesnt matter you fucking mouthbreathing retard he called you out and you're trying to dodge it just let it go

you're pretending to own a hella easily attainable thing, get a job.

>>14865235
bread on hood

IMO the only good looking generation of STi is the first one that we didn't get here. It pulls the same 0-60 times and is a lot more tuneable. Fucking thing is in the top 80 for the hamburger ring, not bad for a sub 10k car imported. But yeah, girls will be anti-impressed with it, more than likely. It's unfortunate but true. I still am getting one because I'm pretty.

>>14864721
>>14864727
>>14864902

What do you people mean by reliability? How often would something break down? Are you counting in the difficulty of replacing broken parts (how easy the car is to work on, can it be done at home), the price and reliability of replacement parts?

I don't know much about neither brands, but I'd like to own an impreza or a beamer sometime in the forseeable future and as far as I've heard, BMWs are more complicated, harder to work on and at least some of the parts cost a fortune.

>>14865569
>BMWs are more complicated, harder to work on
maybe you should not trust memes as that is simply idiotic. the engines are all longitudinally mounted with tons of space in the engine bay. subarus are the polar opposite of easy to work on for most things.
>some of the parts cost a fortune
very true.

subarus aren't known for being reliable...ever. just look at their headgaskets on most models.

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>>14865206
>Subaru
>Not reliable
>This is what Europoors actually believe

>>14865737
JD power rates them not so well sweetie.
Enjoy your headgaskets while they last.

>>14865737
also that is a mere two points above BMW. and anyone who rates Audi as number one has been paid off. VAG? what a joke.

>>14864639
nah

>>14865737
the amount of ringland failure is pretty high

>>14865756
>litterally a once a life span replacement
>fixed in anything newer than 2008

try again

>>14865780
>76 vs 78
>Audi is #1
Come one we both know this is rigged.

>>14865780
>headgaskets a regular maintenance item at 100k (WHO DOES THIS SERIOUSLY)
>blown ringlands
>transmission synchros on 5 speeds
>spun bearings left and right on 2009+ wrxs (recent epidemic on the 2015-16 stis)
>2015-2016 wrx stis getting bad steering racks from the factory (clunking/loose feeling on new low mileage cars)
>blown turbos on legacy gts that ultimately end up nuking the shortblock from the turbo bearing shavings
>warranty denial for any reason
>absolute shit tunes due to trying to make a 25 year old design pass 2016 emissions
>body roll everywhere and shit handling on 02-07 WRXs

only reason people even let this shit pass because they were the only AWD performance car under $30k since 2002. think about it, you're spending at least another $10-20k for a 335xi/s4/g37x if you want

>awd
>somewhat fun to drive

>>14865737
oh shut the fuck up eurofags don't buy subarus in nearly the amount americans do, i guarantee you half this thread is made up of americans shit talking crap ass turbo subarus while the eurofags defend them left and right despite seeing a subaru IRL once every 2 years.