Is engineering or art more important when it comes to making

>>14835191
>art
>important

>>14835191
Are you implying the Pagani isn't nicely engineered too?

Honestly both are equally important, however I honestly think art takes the cake a little more in terms of a supercar. Interesting question however.

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Engineering is art.

It's why people get butthurt about stance. Everyone is either "form over function" or "function over form." Both are incorrect.

Form FOLLOWS function. The car ends up being beautiful as a result of being engineered into the shape that helps it serve its design purpose.

>>14835191
Prestige and exclusivity
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6vJVijRk_M

>>14835191
I'd give aesthetics a bit of an edge. Supercars are statement pieces.

>>14835234
engineering is a science

>>14835745
maybe to you pleb

>>14835191
what are you implying?

the pagani has avional subframes and suspension arms
the koniggnogg doesn't

the engine on the zonda isn't overpowered so it won't new re-honing as soon as the v8 koniggsegg

also: pagani's chassis are made of a blend of carbon and titanium cloth, like no other car

>>14836374
need*

>>14835191
Engineering for supercars.
Art for Beautiful cars.

No modern cars compare to the masterpieces of the 50's and 60's anyway.

>>14835234
This. Makes sense when you realise some of the best scientists are great artist too.

>>14836395
>le born in the wrong era

>>14835745

Science and art go hand in hand even if people don't realize it. People even see math as art.

>cars
>art

AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

you fucking plebs haven't the slightest idea what art is.

>>14836535
your cuckoldry porn is not art

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>>14836539
get lost, child, with your pathetic and typical 4chan tier comeback.

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>>14836535

>implying

>>14836627
Absolutely disgusting

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>>14836535
please inform us what art is
when you bait you should atleast have some knowledge of what the fuck you are talking about

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>>14836648

Art may be subjective, but your opinions are objectively shit.

If you want to call it a supercar I would think the engineering aspect should be first. The act of making it should somehow push the limit of what was previously possible.

>>14835234
Except the Ultima looks like dog shit, tbqh.

>>14836535
This guy is right, though.
Art should never have a purpose, it should be appreciated solely for what it is and not for whatever purpose it would serve, since it does not.

>>14836559
>4chan should be the way I WANT it to be

calling another a child... klek

>>14835191
As >>14835234
said, art comes from your own engineering.

there is no near-perfect car in the enginer-side of things that is not aesthetically beautiful.

>>14836661
Nope. the exhaust is trash. Just bevause some try hard spent a good hundred hours trying to make it look "skillfully made" for literally zero objective (becuz it looks good duur doesn't cut it) purpose doesn't mean it's "art".
Go back to whatever baby boomer show car forum you came from and stop trying to fit in with the autist crew

>>14836676
Look, from a philosophical standpoint, engineering is the absolute opposite of art.

Engineering tries to make things that will serve a purpose while art doesn't.
Art is the term you attribute to something that was purposely created to be admired or rouse emotions/reactions.
It should never serve a purpose.

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>>14836685

It's a two stroke exhaust fuck tard. You can't make that out of simple round tubing. It has to be pieced together into that shape, so that the pressure waves of the exhaust reverberate back into the cylinder at a certain rpm, carrying with them un burnt fuel and air causing a spike in power and efficiency. Those pipes are 100% form following function and they required an insane amount of engineering and welding skill to build.

>>14836754
>Those pipes are 100% form following function
Art has no function.
It was skilfully built, but it's not art.

>>14836769
>but it's not art.
Not the same anon but I disagree and you're an idiot.

>>14836790
It's not a matter of disagreeing. It's a fact.
Just because something is made with great care and engineering, doesn't turn it into art.

Get educated.

>>14836754
I know it's a two stroke exhaust, try hard. It is still over the top and the amount of work put into it serves zero actual purpose over the average aftermarket pipe.

> $500+
That's literally the only reason why it's made like that. To overcharge the "it is art!" retards such as yourself

>>14836802
>It's a fact.

"Art is a diverse range of human activities in creating visual, auditory or performing artifacts"

Just because you don't like it / can't appreciate that art is more than just a van Gogh painting doesn't mean it's not art.

>>14835191
>1200bhp
>RWD
Koenigsegg thinks art is more important it would seem.

>>14836825
Are you one of those faggots who consider the latest i-product as "art" bevause you think it looks pretty?

>>14836825
>"Art is a diverse range of human activities in creating visual, auditory or performing artifacts"
And mentions nothing about said artifacts having a function.
I'm not talking out of my ass, I had a class on art history in uni.
Just because you think everything that looks complex or pretty is art, doesn't make it so.

>Just because you don't like it / can't appreciate that art is more than just a van Gogh painting doesn't mean it's not art.
Never said that. Art takes many audible and visual forms, but none of these forms have any other function than to be admired for what they are.

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>architecture is art
>it also serves a purpose

>>14836867
According to anon, architecture can't be art either.

>>14836867
That is debatable.
From a strict point of view, it isn't. Since architecture follows a function.

>>14836884

Alright oh wise arbiter of the fine arts. Show us what you consider art.

>>14836906
I've already told you.
Art is anything that was made to be appreciated for what it is and nothing else. It must not serve a physical purpose.

Could a car body without any running gear (let's say, a non functional concept car) be appreciated for its design alone, making it a piece of art? Maybe.
But then again, it was designed with a future physical function in mind.

It comes down to a really philosophical point of view on what is and what is not art, having in mind that primordial concept.

>>14836906
Not an exhaust pipe you autist

>>14836937
>>14836938

I said show us retards, not adjust your fedora and ramble on like art is some kind of deep philosophical idea. Art is something that's aesthetically pleasing. It doesn't matter what its purpose was. now show me what you would consider art.

>>14836969
> calling anyone a fedora when you think anything that's "pretty" is art
kek. You probably think anime is art too no?

>>14835191

Engineering. Same goes for motorcycles. That's why there are so many hipster project bikes on craigslist. Trying to make something cool instead of function will lead to failure.

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Is my ironic shitposting art?

>>14836976

You're like the autistic kid that walks around car shows talking shit about everyone's cars after your mom dropped you off in her beat to shit tercel.

Anime is art too btw. It might not be your cup of tea and it's certainty not mine, but it's still art. Now instead of crying about how everything you don't like isn't art, how about you show me what you consider art.

>>14836976
If it arouses an emotion, then sure.

>>14836969
>Art is something that's aesthetically pleasing.
What?
That's not how it works, anon.

>>14836976
Anime technically is art. I don't care about it all, but it is art.

>>14837001
Whatever you find in an art gallery (not the hipster faggot gallery in some run down warehouse) is art. Sorry your autistic feelings are irrelevant

> you're also that guy who walks around car shows rubbing his dick while mouth breathing on some baby boomers polished shit box mumbling something about art

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>>14836976

yes

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>>14837038

My point being that you have nothing to contribute. Yet you want to go around knocking everyone else's shit. Show me a picture of what you consider art. Don't just give vague answers. Show me an actual picture of what you consider art.

>>14837080
> he thinks that hipster shit bike is art
Pic related is art *insert painting of your mums pussy*

>>14837103

It's not hipster trash numbnuts It's a legit race bike from the late 70s. That specific bike in that picture was the one raced by kenny roberts at the indy mile.

You've yet again bashed something else without any knowledge of it and you've still contributed nothing. Show me your art.

>>14837042
> Working under a car
> Not wearing goggles
> Not wearing a shirt at the very least
> Hair isn't secured, it's lying on the ground while she's on a shop crawler
Just fuck my shit up senpai

>>14837103

nice bait. now show us art

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>>14835191
na m8 the wind tunnel made both
that and suspension travel requirements
no art is present

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>>14836668
front fenders so aesthetic the steering does not work
>would you remove them ?

Veyron looks like fucking shit tbqh.

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ITT: a very persistent /o/ troll

get an education in aesthetics. read schiller, hegel, etc. everything is art. only an idiot or a troll says something is "not art".

an aventador makes me feel. it makes me feel like it's shit designed for people with bad taste. sure, it's a marvel of technology but only insofar as possible with a dumb old combustion engine.

>>14837341
>get an education in aesthetics. read schiller, hegel, etc. everything is art
Good joke there, mate.

>>14835191
Supercars in past years were just fast pieces of shit with big engines and nice styling, nowadays they are technological showcases pushing everything to the limit (some still have nice styling).

The closest thing to older supercars nowadays is the dodge viper, the only difference is that this one is both a piece of shit, fast with a big engine AND capable of crushing cars 20 times its price

>>14835191
>Is engineering or art more important when it comes to making supercars?
yes.

They are both super cars, or really hyper cars.

Both very capable, i think the conan's egg out performs the punani, the the zonda is absolutely breathtaking to look at, and the why-ray is beautiful in person, doesn't photograph well for some reason. With the punani, there really isn't any part of the car that isn't beautiful, you could spend a lifetime looking at the car and will always see something new.

>>14835206
The car clearly has too much torque to be track reliable. Supercars and Hypercars are, mostly, museum pieces.
>muh 1000hp 400km/h
>which has no time in nordschleife or laguna seca

>>14838553
>which has no time in nordschleife or laguna seca

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMUVyFJugI4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPd0ATqvoJM

wut?

>>14836996
The art of faggotry

>>14838005
Shit troll there, mate.