>Saturn no longer exists >Buick does literally why

>>14764534
China

>>14764534
China

>>14764534
But isn't Opel still around? Who cares about the logo?

>>14764534
What was the point of Saturn anyways?

Like if GM actually needed another brand...

>>14764534
Saturn as a division was a mistake. Those billions should have been spent on the existing divisions product and any Saturn specific ideas done by Pontiac.

>>14764534
Saturn never turned a profit ever, and Buick was always profitable, even without China.

With China, Buick was the second most profitable division (behind GMC).

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>>14764571
Buick was still making 90's cars in the 2000's

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>>14764560
>Opel
>Who cares about the logo?

But didn't Saturn make their own cars at one point? i thought the S series was an all original in-house design?

I feel like if maybe GM had let them continue to do what they were doing maybe the S series could've been to GM what the Civic is to Honda.

A very moldable reliable platform that GM could use to fill all their small-car needs.

They have a small car called the "Cruze" and "Spark" but it feels more like a place-holder than anything like the Cavalier, Cobalt etc.

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Buick exists because China.

Saturn was good as a proof of concept that GM's rules were silly and ignoring them would result in a better and more popular car, but was ultimately killed because daddy GM only sees that number next to a line called "net profits".

The S-series was the only car that was truly Saturns, the rest were rebadged Opels, much like half of GM's lineup is nowadays anyway.

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>>14764595
>2005
jesus christ why are American manufacturers so awful?

this is what Mazda was putting out in 2001

>>14764708
i actually own a cruze. bought it for cheap and i agree the car can feel slapped together. not the top tier GM vehicles like their large trucks and full sized sedans. sometimes panel gaps are weird and wide and the seatbelt mechanism is pretty weird keeps fucking up. still a good car but not great compared to godlike GM vehicles.

>>14764737
Pretty sure the LeSabre was after a different demographic than your 6. And I see FAR more LeSabres running around my area. So maybe Buick knew what they were doing???

>>14764737

Just like the Crown Victoria for Ferd, Lesabre kept selling well for GM.
They just kept milking that cow.

>>14764546
/Thread.

>>14764568
Jap cars were overtaking GM in the 80's so GM had the bright idea of operating a company inhouse like the japanese ran their companies.

To GM's Dismay it worked, and then they tried their damnedest to kill it.

>few years down the road
>saturn is brought back as GM's internal EV-ONLY sub brand
>they only have like three models but the evs are clearly distinguished
thoughts?

>>14764828
No its more like Boomers kept on driving the same bullshit they've always driven becuase muh merican' car.

>>14764708
I think the S-Series and Vue were the only Saturn original designs. The Ion looked original but I think it was just a slightly different Cobalt.

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>Oldsmobile and Pontiac don't exist and only spurted out a few shitboxes before they died

>>14764976
That was planned. GM wanted them to be forgotten. They moved all their good cars to Chevrolet before they killed them off permanently.

>>14764595
And they made a lot of money doing it.

Those things are actually great normalfag cars, if somewhat mediocre on mileage.

>>14764901
The Buick has a much lower cost of ownership, is incredibly cheap to insure, and very comfy.

Yeah, it's a slow lump that gets terrible city fuel economy, but they are good, safe, economical choices.

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>>14764534

Holy shit LMAO so hard why the fuck does this car have a wedgy?????

>>14765295
I've seen the last gen LeSabres get over 30mpg on the highway, the Lucerne was a step backwards.

>>14765383
Yeah, but you're lucky to get 18 in town.

>>14764976
> Olds Cutlass best selling car in America 5 times between 78 and 87
> Oldsmobile out of business by 2004
Why tho?

>>14765477
because they were rebadged cars that encroached on Chevy, Pontiac and Buick's price point all at the same time.

>>14764546
First Post is Best Post.

>>14764900
I could actually see that being GM's route if they decided to get into the ev market. They
Could probably get away with more stuff that way

>>14767410
>>14764900
I like this idea desu, even the name fits.

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>>14765317

Because pantsu are cute.

>>14764976
>tfw we will never live in the universe where there's a modern cutlass/442 blowing the doors off the Hellcat twins