F1 is kill

At least NASCAR takes the idiots' money and leaves it at that...

How about f1 goes back to God Damn v10s

>>14741482
Yeah the amount of cylinders will sure solve all the problems with f1
Great suggestion m8, you should send an email to the FIA so they can hire you and take advantage of your amazing problem solving skills to bring f1 back to life

>>14741508
F1 and Prototype racing seemed to be at their peak when there was a lot of commonality. If there was an open wheel formula that could use Porsche, Audi, Toyota and Nissan LeMans power plants, we would be in great shape.

If hired into the Fix F1 Position I would draft rules for a completely new open wheel championship that first and foremost excludes FOM, and bans the commercial rights from every being sold to single entity.

Next I would tie the power plant, transmission and fuel regs to WEC/LeMans.

Next I would create a box and say whatever you build inside the box can race with the following stipulations.
>Passes our safety tests
>Uses the spec tire
>Has exactly two double element wings where ever you want them
>Has no more than 4 winglets or other protruding airflow elements wherever you want them
>If the wheels have fairings, those fairings must move with the wheel
>Control inputs may never cause it to exceed 5G in braking, cornering or accelerating
>Meets a spec minimum weight

For communications
>Only guy allowed to communicate with the driver during normal racing is a spotter high up, with screens showing the track. Basically what NASCAR has.
>The spotter and driver are allowed zero communication with the team. The only exception being the driver has completely open communication with the team when the pit lane speed limiter is engaged on pit lane.
>All remote telemetry and adjustments are banned EXCEPT when the car is on pit lane.

>>14741708
Audi and Porsche are pussies. Too afraid to lose.

>>14740881
heh. Still gonna watch anyways. The racing has still been breddy good, so I'm not really concerned about all these other distractions and gimmicks. Although, I kinda wish the gimmicks as ways to fix F1 would stop already.

Why are all faggots called Bernie?

>>14742206
It is in their nature.

Why don't the teams just leave? Literally no one in the world stopping them from creating a better series.

>>14743417
>looks exactly like my cat I had to put down Monday
don't do this to me, anon

>>14743425
I'm not sure if I've made it better or worse, but I've tried.

>>14741708

>Next I would tie the power plant, transmission and fuel regs to WEC/LeMans.

Been there done that. This kills the WEC.

And none of your shit fixes overtaking. So F1 is still trash and WEC is dead good job!

>>14743458
How does this kill WEC? They have a great formula right now. If the top open wheel formula shared specs it would ensure a good supply of customer enginges for both series.

>>14743458
>overtaking
I'd go back to wide cars. The narrow track we run now was supposed to limit cornering speeds but all it did was put a bigger emphasis on aero download.

>>14743615

Money. Top WEC teams basically spend what shit tier F1 teams do. F1 engines in WEC would cause a cost explosion that would see all current factory teams out, Toyota first.

It killed Group C, and it would kill LMP1.

>waah F1 is boring and, m-muh V10

literally most normie opinion ever
go back to lebbit

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>>14743665
I wasn't really clear. I think F1 should adopt what WEC is doing with their engines.

WEC is already doing everything F1 engineers are trying to do but at a lower cost. They last for 24 hours, they make great power, they are hybrid and they are fuel efficient.

Now imagine if you are running WEC or F1 and you can choose from Ferrari, Mercedes, Renault, Porsche, Audi Honda, Nissan or Toyota to buy your motor from. Also all the different configurations and fuel types.

This idea makes me fucking diamonds right now.

Also I thought of a name for this new Formula.

>Formula Won

Because if we managed to get Bernie out, we all would have won.

Imagine Formula 1 without any limitations on technology, with only safety requirements.

It would become a place for innovation again with CVTs, dual clutch thingies and so on.

>>14744397
Isn't that how lmp2 works though? A bunch of external chassis manufacturer that sell their cars to teams and teams can choose between two or three different engines.
Obviously p2s lack all the fancy tech from P1s, but the formula is already there, not so much with p1 since they do most of their stuff in-house so they are much closer to F1.

Anyway, I think the P2 formula can't work in F1.
F1 has always been about who makes the best cars and everyone does things in-house because of that (the big teams, at least), you will never see outsourced chassis a-la Indycar for example, because that kinda defeats the point of F1. It's a strange vicious cycle where you can't just set no limits to development because then you would see like 10 cars on track, but you can't even set too many cost caps or manufacturing limits because at that point it just becomes AutoGP.

The problem probably is that there is already a formula for everything, so you can add X limitation to F1 and suddenly you have created, say, a more expensive F3 or an LMP2 with less bodywork and shorter races. There are so many series that it's difficult to deviate from a consolidated formula while keeping it unique at the same time.

I think we are past the point where you will ever see some real action on track, the grid is so unbalanced towards the usual big teams that half the cars on track are basically just moving obstacles for those who have a car that goes fast.
Unless new manufacturers decide to start going all in with F1 (very unlikely), we will never see anything new or interesting in F1 again.

>>14744413
>It would become a place for innovation again with CVTs, dual clutch thingies and so on.
And no teams because nobody except the biggest ones can afford to be competitive.
The era of 6wheeled cars and bigass rear fans is over, nobody except for the few richest teams can afford those experiments anymore, and those who can afford them wouldn't risk their reputation on something so extravagant like that.

>>14744413
Go watch the video where williams F1 tested a CVT F1 car. It just reaches optimum revs and stays there for the whole lap, sounds awful.

>>14744653
Yet it was apparently insanely fast.
and IMO the whole V6 turbo thing sounds even worse

>>14744833
They sound a hell of a lot better in person than on the shit mike/mixing setup FOM uses

>>14744397

The point is that regardless of ruleset, F1 teams would increase costs to a point where privateers would be instantly wiped out, Toyota would bow out very quickly and, best case scenario, VAG focuses the budget of both Audi and Porsche into a single brand.

You guys severely underestimate the level Formula 1 teams operate at and how many rules are strictly there simply to stop teams from going insane.

if you watch f1 that is post 1999 you are not watching F1

just a bunch of pussy ass rich fuckfaces jacking each others dicks off with bernie taking diarrhea shits all over everything

>>14744891
VAG is spending $400,000,000/yr on Audi and Porsche combined.

Before they tried to make F1 cheaper Ferrari was spending an average of $500,000,000/yr

Having more engine competition should drive prices down for privateers who are already buying customer engines.

>>14744626
From where I sit I think the biggest benefit would be to make LMP2 like GP2, spec chassis and motor. A stepping stone to LMP1

Make LMP1 and F1 have as much in common as possible besides body work. Of course the works teams are going to do everything in house like they always do.

I agree with you that LMP1 or F1 should not ever become spec series, both are about building your own car. The privateer teams have never been competitive for wins unless the works teams are collectively having a really bad year.

I think the frontier is in building rules that instead of restricting teams to limit costs, make limitless expenditure have diminishing returns so significant that budgets auto regulate.

Sure you can make a motor that 10 more HP than everybody else, is made of exotic materials and needs to be replaced after every race. But anybody can make a motor for a quarter of the cost that will last 5 races and makes 10 less HP.

You know, it needs to be so that money can't make up for drivers skill, or far surpass the baseline performance of the formula. It can make things easier, but it can't be allowed to win races by itself.

>>14745978
>From where I sit I think the biggest benefit would be to make LMP2 like GP2, spec chassis and motor. A stepping stone to LMP1
Well, it's almost like that already, from next year they are going to limit chassis to 4 manufacturers and there aren't many choices of engines outside of the usual suspects (Nissan, Judd, AER, Honda), honestly, I wouldn't like a spec P2, I like to see different cars on track, also there are so many spec series already that there is no real point in making another one IMO. P2 ills already a low cost solutions with a lot of limits.

>Make LMP1 and F1 have as much in common as possible besides body work. Of course the works teams are going to do everything in house like they always do.
How can you have stuff in common? P1s drivetrains are designed to withstand 6 and 24hr races, while F1s go for like 2 hours. Materials and designs are a whole lot different. You can't make an F1 engine that doesn't blow up constantly during a WEC race and you can't make a WEC-proof engine that is not slow as balls in F1.
Same goes for the hybrid systems and gearboxes.

>I think the frontier is in building rules that instead of restricting teams to limit costs, make limitless expenditure have diminishing returns so significant that budgets auto regulate.
I don't know how that could work, I mean, the times where a somewhat rich private could come up with a ground breaking new design and win with that are long gone IMO, Nissan tried with that last year and it failed, and they have a lot of money to throw at these things. It's not going to happen with privates.
Big teams are pretty much established forever, they had their history in a particular field and no newcomers will ever be able to compete with them, both in money and know-how.

>>14744397

id smang that

>>14744413
> i4 Hybrid tarbo diesels everywhere
>Electric f1 cars (well this isnt a bad thing apart from the sound/weight issue and obviously battery tech)
I guess they have taken petrol motors as far as they can go.

>>14745978

Customer engines are not competitive. And if those customer engines become F1 spec engines the cost would be huge for the privateers. I'd like to remind you that the best privateers operate on budgets 8 to 10 times smaller than the factory teams. Modern F1 engines simply aren't cheap, its the most expensive part of a F1 car by a considerable margin.

>>14748607

>electric

implying it wouldnt be some twin turbo v12 monster with 2000hp. or that crazy red bull shit from gran turismo

>>14748613
>crazy red bull shit from gran turismo
Fuck you for making me remember what F1 could have been.

Oh well at least we have LMP

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>>14743689
>mfw I'm banned from /r/formula1 because I spoiled the ending to star wars