>THE NEW FORD RANGE ROVER, FROM LINCOLN

Lincoln had the right idea coming out with the first ever luxury SUV. Then Ford fucked them with a shitty no power modular engine, and now there isn't even a v8 available.

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>>14695957
this car is a meme

>>14695957
That picture just reminds me of the fact that Ford needs to get the fuck back in the minivan game.

They are high margin vehicles, and Ford could poach a shit lod of buisness off Chrysler/Dodge if they actually made a decent one

>>14695966
>first luxury SUV ever

Land Rover and Mercedes had luxury SUVs before Lincoln.

>>14695985
They did so well with the continental concept. It made me realize that some at Lincoln still know what luxury is. But this...throws it all away again. The Navigator is forever bound to the Expedition however. Nothing more than a rebadge

>>14695957
>step ladder
Is this a SUV designed for little people?

>>14695988
Minivans are dying. Even Chrysler knows that. They're going to come out with the Pacifica which is a smaller less traditional minivan.

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whatever
production model is going to look like a high trim kia, it's going to be fwd, it's going to be a crossover, it's going to be turbo 4 powered, and there'd literally be no other reason to buy a buick or an acura over one
>like literally their entire lineup

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>>14696008
Friendly reminder in the late 50's that is was Imperial > Cadillac > Lincoln

>>14696000
its an suv designed for americans

>>14695991
Ford had the first in the US market, with the Navigator in '97, and Mercedes dropped the M class the very next year in 98 to compete

M class was also the first luxury SUV to offer electronic stability control, and first luxury SUV to get a max score on the IIHS crash safety tests

>>14696005
Chrysler sold 140,000 minivans in 2014, and just below 100,000 in 2015

Honda has NEVER sold less than 100,000 Odysseys a year since 2002, they sold 130,000 units in 2015

Toyota sold 140,000 Sienna's in 2015, thats 40,000 more units than they sold of 4Runners. Minivans are NOT dying anon

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>>14696022
at least they were #3 in the chain and not like #20
also
>chrysler imperial
what a glorious car that was

>>14696031
But the Range Rover came to the US in 1987. Hell, I own a 1988 model myself. In 1987 Ford didn't even have a four-door SUV at all.

>>14695957
>big suv
>steps
>giant doors

This unironically, not even joking or messing around looks like a car for literally fat people

>>14696000
China is projected to be 60% of Lincolns market within 5 years. So yes.

>>14696084
>"The first-generation Range Rover was produced between 1970 and 1996. It was available only in a 2-door body until 1981, though prior to this 4 door models were produced by specialist firms"
>"Unlike other 4x4s such as the Jeep Wagoneer, the original Range Rover was not designed as a luxury-type vehicle"

Now you can debate the real world merits of that, but they didn't sell, market, or classify it as a luxury car in the US market. By the record books and 'official' classification, the Navigator was the first 'luxury' SUV, followed by the M Class the next year.

In fact, the early quality issues with the 98-99 M Classes were because Mercedes rushed it to market to compete with the Navigator, as it sold 44,000 units it's first year on the US market.

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>>14696008
Jesus fucking christ you're stupid.

The F150 platform is a front wheel drive crossover platform and powered by an I4?

>>14696099
Key word: ORIGINAL. The original Range Rover was just a much more civilized Land Rover with a V8. It had two doors and a very utilitarian interior. By 1987 the Range Rover had four doors, a stock leather interior, and had standard stereo and AC. It was a fashion statement even in Europe. The only reason the US market wanted them was for boulevard cruising.

And even if the RRC wasn't considered a "luxury" SUV even up to 1995, the P36 sure as hell was.

>>14696105
The platform now supports heavy emphasis on aluminum and v6 engines. Not really that hard to believe this is how the platform will end up.

>>14696119
it's because the Navigator was the first lux SUV to sell in any real numbers. Yeah you had range rover floating around, but those were considered purpose built off road SUV's, and didn't sell in any sort of real numbers in the US

>>14696119
It's dumb, but it's just a simple matter of marketing in the US. The Range Rover wasn't sold under the 'luxury' header/category by the company, even if the car itself fit the criteria. Ford marketed the Navigator directly as such, and it was the first "luxury" SUV to get large scale commercial success

If you get outside the marketing term, Wikipedia actually credits the 1966 Kaiser Jeep Super Wagoneer in the US market in terms of being the first vehicle with "luxury car trim and equipment in a off-road model vehicle"

>>14696159
Really, it's easy to think that they're going to suddenly decide to make an already completed rear wheel drive platform front wheel drive? They're going to spend money to re-develop an already engineered body on frame platform into a crossover? God damn /o/ is stupid.

>>14696186
>It's dumb, but it's just a simple matter of marketing in the US. The Range Rover wasn't sold under the 'luxury' header/category by the company, even if the car itself fit the criteria.

But that's wrong.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emTYcr7eW9U

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PlaOi81eRo

>Range Rover, the world's most capable luxury vehicle.

The whole time they were playing it up like it was the safari companion to a British great white hunter.

>>14696289
You didn't pay a luxury tax on them in the US, hence not a luxury vehicle. plain and simple bro.

>>14696105
I'm talking about the next gen, aka what the concept is underlying. in which yes they probably will ditch the f-150 truck platform for a crossover for better efficiency like they did with the exploder, and like dodge did with the durango. might also become fwd too like the exploder to increase efficiency and also provide more interior space. not far fetched considering the navigator was/is the last rwd lincoln. and ford along with everyone else has been heavily shilling turbo 4's and v6's and whatnot. hell ford dropped the v8 from the expedition/navigator lineup all together a few years ago in favor of the ecoboost v6.

>>14696292
Loophole. Because the Range Rover is a truck, it can skate.

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1290&dat=19901215&id=M_5TAAAAIBAJ&sjid=L40DAAAAIBAJ&pg=6717,9481201&hl=en

>>14696297
doesn't matter, since it didn't pay luxury tax, it wasn't recorded as a luxury car in terms of sales

there for it lost the crown to Lincoln. deal with it

>>14696301
That is fucking retarded. That's not even a technicality, since the Range Rover was marketed as a luxury vehicle before that luxury tax came about.

>>14696297
correct. it was sold as a truck, and you didn't pay luxury tax. You DID pay luxury tax on a navigator or a mercedes.

just like lpg said, it technically wasn't sold as a luxury car in the US at the same time as the navigator was, even though it obviously was one.

>>14696312
>You DID pay luxury tax on a navigator or a mercedes.
I don't think so. That's why SUVs became luxury in the first place, to avoid the tax. They did however, not avoid the gas guzzler tax.

>>14696294
This is the preview of the next gen Navigator. It's already confirmed to be a derivative of the 2015 F150s platform. There's not really a point in a FWD four banger platform when the vehicle is even bigger than a Suburban.

The primarily reason the Explorer moved to unibody was due to Ford killing off the Ranger small truck and it's platforms production which the Explorer was based on. To save money, they built it on the scalable Taurus platform.

IRL, Ford is one of the few automakers moving towards expanding their RWD porfolio. They're bringing back the Ranger and Bronco in 2018 and 2020 as a RWD body on frame mid sizers and Lincoln is going to be building something on a stretched version of the new Mustangs RWD architecture too, probably a small-mid sizer to compete with the 3 series which is scheduled to grow slightly next generation.

>>14695957
That door will literally never get approved anymore on a car costing less than $100,000

>>14696319
It's not the luxury tax, because as you said, they used being classified as light trucks to get around it, it's just that range rover was considered a niche market car maker in the US

The lincoln navigator gets the crown because it was the first mass market luxury SUV

>>14696031
Ford has the Flex and the Transit,

they arent going to spend money creating a new Freestar, just for the USDM

>Muh Global corporate presence

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>>14695985
I think it looks pretty nice other than the wing doors. Lincoln already stated the gull doors aren't going to make it to production. They're just their so they can show off the cabin easier.

>>14696294
They already said it's going to be bof, F150 based, and powered by a longitudal twin turbo V6, likely an uprated version of the engine in the Continental with larger bore.

They're not going to be moving it to crossover territory. This thing is being built with China in mind where Lincoln is on the same level as Mercedes and Range Rover in terms of prestige.

Chinese peoples' views of the US auto industry are kind of frozen in the 40s-60s and they still see Lincoln as a builder of massive elegant barges at parity with the highest end European brands.

That's largely why they brought back the Continental nameplate.

If anything Lincoln will probably become more rear drive biased in coming years to maintain their appeal in China and create differentiation. The MKZ replacement is slated to be rear drive and Mustang based too. It honestly wouldn't surprise me if they end up making Lincoln FWD focused in the long term like what GM did with Cadillac.

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>>14696351
>The Range Rover wasn't marketed as a luxury vehicle in the US, so it wasn't the first
>Yes it was
>Well, it didn't pay the luxury tax, so it wasn't the first
>The Navigator didn't pay it either
>Well, the Navigator was the first MASS MARKET luxury SUV, so it gets crowed as first

>>14696377
lol not the original guy you argued with, but I am just saying, the navigator is universally considered the first luxury suv, mainly because it was actually successful in terms of sales. It scared about a half dozen other automakers so badly, they had a competing vehicle in the segment within 2 years

was it the 'very' first? probably not, but people don't really give a shit about anything until it gets popular, so since the navigator actually got wide mass market appeal, it's always going to me thought of as the first luxury suv in the us

>>14696289
Commercial marketing (what customers see) and sales marketing (how things are reported) are two different things

You have to keep in mind that Land Rover was 1.) considered a niche brand and 2.)treated differently because they only sold SUV's

Like I said before, I'll grant you that in the real world the Range Rover was a luxury vehicle, but they really didn't even have a 'luxury suv' sales category until the Navigator blew the segment open and got everyone else rushing something in to compete against it.

The Navigator gets remembered because it sold well enough for the luxury SUV segment to get broken off into it's own category. Like I said before, the true first was the Jeep back in the 60's, but again, that's a car basically no one knows even existed.

Idk how the whole luxury tax thing got dragged into this, all the companies had these things classified as light trucks to duck it, and they dropped it in 2002 anyway

>>14696366
The problem is the Flex sales like shit, they didn't even sell 20,000 units last year. You could very cheaply adapt the Transit platform to a minivan, and create a very profitable vehicle for very little in terms of R&D overhead.

>>14695985
what's up with the step ladder?

>>14695957
I'd welcome that thing making it to production simply for the sheer extravagance.

>>14696099
>"Unlike other 4x4s such as the Jeep Wagoneer, the original Range Rover was not designed as a luxury-type vehicle"
So the Wagoneer was the first luxury SUV

>>14695957

>park next to curb
>open door
>destroy side of the car and stairs

Yes i know, it'll never reach production like that..

>>14696342
I'm not sure if it can get approved on any car.

>servo or battery fails
>whoops can't get out of the car because door weighs 200 lbs

>>14696683
On the SLS and GT, you have explosives to remove the hinges in an emergency.

>>14696444
how do disabled people get in

>>14696698
>battery dies
>ok now how do I open the do-BOOM
>welp here's a $25,000 repair bill

Note that on SLS, the doors have no servos, just regular gas lifts, and even if those fail, they are light enough to be pushed out manually by an average person. Explosives are *only* for roll-over accidents.

>>14696813
Good point, yeah.

>>14696813
the delorean doors have torsion bars and struts and too its too heavy for them

>>14695957
well that is fucking stupid.
>guys let's build an enormous car that requires as much space as possible to get in and out

>>14696837
Well, Delorean doesn't conform to modern safety requirements anyway.

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>>14696850
bricklin sv has the same sort of door

>>14696005
M8 the Pacifica was a terrible Daimler era money pit that pioneered the modern crossover, there's no way they would ever revive such a hated name badge

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>>14697338
Yet they have.

I honestly kind of like it.


But man, the gullwing doors and the fucking staircase are just too much for me.

Trade them for normal doors and a little more ground clearance.

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>>14695957

>We make gud cars now
>I p-promise murrica makes gud cars now!
>P-please, buy american! THEY'RE GOOD NOW, YOU HEAR ME!!

Man, at this rate america will forever be just slightly above Lada-tier in terms of cars

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>>14695957

>steps

They expect to sell these in Murrica, right? Should really ditch the steps and install tiny escalators instead.

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>>14697389

Hello

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>>14697394
>Should really ditch the steps and install tiny escalators instead.

Not a bad idea desu.

>>14697413

A Porsche has problems. A Ford has flaws.

How to make this car a success:

>remove the seats
>remove the steps
>install a ramp that fits a mobility scooter instead
>driver's "seat" has to be docking port for fatmerican's mobility scooter instead
>robot arm cupholders that bring the big gulp to you instead of having to reach for it!

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>>14695957

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>>14697475

6th place detected

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>>14697481
>if requested will stop by every drivethru in a 10 mile radius

>>14697497

Which they aren't

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>>14697485
At least the front looks """different"""

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>>14697515

>proud of winning with a british car

>>14697348
I really wish carmakers would put actual effort in designing a new hardtop instead of painting the pillars black out of laziness.

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>>14697528

>still won more often than Ford

>>14697538
>race 4 times
>win 4 times

>>14697538
>loses to a mustang in a bodykit

>>14697543

>he doesn't even know the GT40s raced in '64 and '65 and failed miserably

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>>14697556
>>14697544

>more damage control
>"built and designed in Britain"

It looks like they tried to cross an F-Pace with a Range

>>14697560

Wait a second, I get it know. Googled for GT40 history and pretty much all websites just don't mention the '64 and '65 races

Kek, that is damage control par excellence

>>14697531
Can't really make a hard top economically due to rollover tests. Even convertibles are starting to have those explosive role over poles now.

>>14697568

>Ferrari's failure to compete
>still forgetting about '64 and '65

>>14697586
>>14697581
>>14697571
>>14697568
>>14697563
>>14697560
>>14697556
>>14697544

Fuck you two are annoying.

Alphonse confirmed for worst new tripfag

>>14697586

Not even a Ferrari fanboy, m8. Porsche all the way

>Ford has to drop out of Le Mans once again
>because 917

>>14697389

>not competing in the same class as its predecessor

Embarassing really

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>>14697604
>calling someone a tripfag means your new

I've been here for 8 years. What's even worse is that you think your anime responses are clever.

>>14697604

>Ferrari is shit
>compared to Porsche

Yes, we've established that but then again that isn't a really hard conclusion to come to. Everyone is shit compared to Porsche

>>14695966
I think people forget what a MASSIVE success the Navigator was when it first came out. Lincoln was the #1 selling luxury brand for a couple years pretty much totally on the back of the Navigator.

>>14697629
>can't tell the difference between a namefag and tripfag
>implying their a difference

You're all attention whores. Except for based LPG

>>14697481
>American cars are for fat people

So by that logic

>European cars have suicide bombers mounted in the airbag areas that detonate and inflate the bags during an accident and include a Somalian dildo in all seats. No cup holders though, those are silly.

>>14697653
>>14697629

Not to me there isn't.

>adding trump hats to animu girls

Why?

>>14697639
>>14697663
If you were here for 8 years not only would you know the difference between a namefag and a tripfag, you wouldn't be butthurt about them.
>log on to anime imageboard every day for 8 years
>see a name on a poster
>get upset
Sure, sounds realistic. 8 years would also imply you are an adult, do you really think even a socially retarded adult would get genuinely upset about "tripfags"? Of course not.

>>14697716
I think Alphonse personally is an obnoxious individual, like most trips are. Being a namefag in itself isn't annoying, but most of them are in fact obnoxious.

>>14695957
>not wanting to drive a republic gunship

>>14696030
>stairs
>Americans
It's more like an anti-American vehicle. If only they put stairs on the sides of tanks maybe Germany could have won.

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I hope it has a V8 option like the Range Rover.

>>14697604
>>14697629
>>14697653
>>14697816
>"I'm not a tripfag!"
>Bans anyone who tries to impersonate him
>Is reigning king of faggots

Not really seeing how alphonse is appreciably better than an "actual" tripfag. if anything he's worse.

>>14697338
I'll have you know that we had a Pacifica and the only real flaw was its terrible rear view visibility.

>>14695957
Even more accessible fat person-carrying vehicles from American car companies.
What a shame I live in this country.

>>14695957
But boomers will all be dead before this comes to market....


So Why?

>>14696022

>Nostalgia

Shitty sheet metal monstrosities.

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It looks good, is going to be f-150 based so aluminum and ~4800lbs. Naturally it will have the 400hp/400ftlb 3.0 ecoboost out of the other lincolns, and possibly the ~500hp/500ft/lb + 10 speed out of the new raptor.

It could be a big comfy rocket. The current navigator basically runs the same 0-60 and quarter mile as the ecoboost/auto mustang, despite being 6200lbs and only 380hp.

>>14696105
This looks more like it's based on the Explorer from the wheelbase. If that's the case, then yes, it's going to be a FWD-biased AWD system paired with some turbo V6 and/or I4.

>>14698308

>not competing in the same class as the original

Embarassing.

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>>14698381
It's almost certainly F-150/expedition based.

>>14698573
So when are you and your ass buddy going to spam again?

>>14695957
What I see is the all new NiggerMobile

>>14698358
It's an enlarged. 3.5 liter version of the 3.0 from the Continental. With increased bore that probably means it'll be making more power. Lincoln says 400+ but is not yet giving specifics. It's already been leaked that there will be hybrid and V8 versions.

>>14698467
sort of want...