Wagon

cause they ugly as fuck

>>14678214
Wagons is EU prerogative.
It looks ugly in Russia too.

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>>14678214
What's with all this sloping roofline angled door bollocks? Estates are meant to be practical.

Can someone redpill me on Subaru Liberty/Legacy wagons pls?

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>>14678265
Muh aerodynamics and safety and etc.

>this counts as cargo space in a modern Volvo wagon

>>14678275
>wagons
>aerodynamics
LoL.

>>14678275
I could fit more in my ass.

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Because Detroit have done their business so lousy for decades that they've lost the passenger car market to foreign competition, so in order to save themselves they've banded together with the federal government, created favorable legislation for pickup trucks with cargo hatches, and convinced the public that it's impossible to live suburban life without a four wheel drive SUV.

>>14678283
Everything is about muh aerodynamics, anon, as well as muh pedestrian safety, muh electronic nannies, muh infotainment and muh chilluns.

>>14678214
No idea why American's don't like wagons.

A Magnum SRT/8 is a pretty car to look at. Interior is crap, and I wouldn't own one again, but it did turn heads.

I like and have owned a few E39 and E61 wagons, and am working on picking up a 2003 Passat W8 wagon.

Yes, I'm aware of the W8 problems. I have a spare longblock and transmission in storage already.

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>>14678275
>this counts as cargo space in a 40 year old Volvo wagon

Where did it all go so wrong?

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>>14678265

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>>14678214
Fuck, why B8.5 A4 only in Sedan for US market? I hate you, VW.

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because they rather buy a gas guzzling broSUV

Because as kids we made fun of station wagons so they still have that gay look to us millennials

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>>14678294
>think it's just perspective and specifically chosen images to make the meme-tastic 240 look bigger
>consult google

>2016 V60 cargo space:
28 cu.ft with seats up
44 cu.ft with seats down

>2010 V70 cargo space:
33 cu.ft with seats up
72 cu.ft with seats down

>1992 745 cargo space:
39 cu.ft with seats up
75 cu.ft with seats down

>1988 245 cargo space:
41 cu.ft with seats up (!)
76 cu.ft with seats down


Huh.

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>>14678316
I duno, as wagons go, I think this looks pretty decent, especially as a starting point.

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>Posting best wagon

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I actually really want one tho

>>14678214
Because an suv is basically a wagon with better ground clearance and can have a higher towing capacity. Will everyone use that ground clearance or towing capacity? No, but it's nice to have the option.

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>>14678344
> clearance
Only for stupid cunt.
> and can have a higher towing capacity
Kek.

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because hurr grandma's ol' woodie station wagon

FUCK AMERICANS

>>14678369
And what's the towing capacity of that Avant?

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>>14678369
Nice non argument senpai.

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>>14678344
told ya >>14678311
>ground clearance
Because that's what you need on American roads, right?

>towing
I love how so many ameritards are almost obsessed with towing capacity, but you very rarely ever see people towing anything there.

>it's nice to have the option
Better buy a proper truck then, it's nice to have the option to crush worlds, drive through rivers, tow entire buildings or carry other cars, right?

>>14678275

And look at the fucked up door jamb

You couldn't fit anything with even 3/4 of the floors footprint in.

>>14678376
Like Q5

>>14678344
But also more weight, worse economy and far worse handling. Meaning both have their unique appeal and both should be available.

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>>14678324
The 700 series Volvos do have a hilariously huge cargo space though, that thing is gargantuan inside.

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Superior wagon coming through.

>>14678395
>Because that's what you need on American roads, right?
Maybe, depends on where you are. Or maybe you're not driving on the road at all.
>I love how so many ameritards are almost obsessed with towing capacity, but you very rarely ever see people towing anything there.
You're right, I only tow boat 3-4 times a year but I still tow it.
>Better buy a proper truck then, it's nice to have the option to crush worlds, drive through rivers, tow entire buildings or carry other cars, right?
SUVs are trucks f.a.m.
Tee bee aych it seems your argument boils down to "stop liking what I don't like."

>>14678400
>weight
V8, who cares?
>economy
Fuel is ridiculously cheap thanks to the all mighty petro dollar.
>worse handling
Oh no, I can't pull hectic boy racer skids.
>availability
There are some wagons available but the demand is extremely low.

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>>14678417
Make way, inferior German "engineering".

>>14678454
>lolvo
keep it serious guys

>>14678423
>SUVs are trucks f.a.m.
nope

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>>14678459
What's the matter, too PRACTICAL for you? Not expensive enough and riddled with ridiculously complex mechanics for you?

>>14678442
Are you really trying to tell someone on an automotive board that weight and handling don't matter? I mean, really?

>>14678423
>Maybe, depends on where you are. Or maybe you're not driving on the road at all.
Maybe I wasn't talking about exceptions
>You're right, I only tow boat 3-4 times a year but I still tow it.
maybe ditto (and excuse me while I remain sceptical of your alleged towing activities)
>SUVs are trucks f.a.m.
Maybe I specifically said "proper truck". No "a truck". Have hamburgers clogged your brain?

>it seems your argument boils down to "stop liking what I don't like."
It seems you have pretty bad reading comprehension

>>14678465
Are you arguing that they aren't built on truck frames or are you just ass blasted that they aren't unimogs?

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>>14678454
Close enough.

>>14678338
A 2017 C-max?

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>>14678489
Looks like a hearse. I like it.

>>14678476
Because it's a twenty foot long, top heavy people and cargo carrier used for commuting to work and going to soccer practice , not a miata.

>>14678502
What if you can only have one car for some reason, and need to carry shit but also want to enjoy driving?

>>14678423
I think, more accurately his argument boils down to: "Start liking what *I* do like"

>>14678479
>"Why murricuck don`t like wagons?"
That is the OP, what I've listed are the perceived reasons(true or not), you not agreeing won't magically make wagons more popular. Besides, SUVs are getting replaced by crossovers.

>>14678524
All right, good point.

You seem to agree with those reasons though.

Oh well.

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>>14678301
Can confirm. Wife owns 2016 A4, in sedan only

Automakers don't want to sell wagons in the US since they count as "cars" and so have tighter fuel economy regulations, whereas if they just jack them up a bit they're "trucks" and are more loosely regulated.

>>14678522
Then you're shit out of luck, the best handling SUVs you're going to find are Range Rovers or maybe Escalades.

>>14678542
Yeah, which is why wagons are a good thing and have every reason to exist. Unlike some people on this thread, I'm not saying SUVs are terrible and should stop existing, but you have to admit that the Golf Gti and Focus ST estates would be a couple of nice little editions to the US market.

>>14678397
So 5500#?

I love my bmw wagons, but my expedition will haul 6 adults 2 dogs and 9000# bone stock.

>>14678539

This is the actual reason. You basically have CARB to thank for it.

>>14678537
B9?

is there anything a wagon does better than an SUV?

>>14678617
>>14678628
datass

>>14678639
Handling
MPG

>>14678654
anything important though?

MPG maybe, not even sure if that's true, but who buys a giant family moving vehicle because of handling?

>>14678665
Probably cheaper to own too, like insurances and taxes and shit

>>14678665
height

>>14678665
>giant
Wagons are exactly as big as sedans, only with a bigger boot.

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Because movies like Harry and the hendersons, and national lampoon.

Americans grew up seeing wagons as the Akward father vehicle.

>>14678665
Someone who wants to be able to enjoy every car they own to some extent?

>>14678694
>tfw no LeBaron wagon with SRT4 swap

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>>14678267
Make sure they don't have headgasket issues if it's older
Make sure they weren't abused by hurr durr Ken Bloke retards if turbo
Get a proper PPI done by a good mechanic

They're solid cars, I've had a few

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Because when Americans want more trunk space they'll just buy a giant chevy tahoe bc muh big murricen truk

>>14678722
Cool.

Might get a GT but I think i'm leaning towards a 3.0R.

Trying to find a 2007-9 Spec.B at the moment.

>>14678214
We do, its just that the energy independence and security act of 2007 has banned smaller cars from getting a modest fuel economy, which de-facto bans small 4 wheel drive cars and awd wagons, therefore the crossover was born.

>>14678395

>rarely see anyone towing anything there.

>Implying people here can't afford boats, RVs, and other fun things to do on weekends that require towing.

>implying you're not assmad because you're a yuropoor who will never be able to afford AWD, Cargo Space comfort.

kek

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I could not tell you

SUVs hold more (taller clearance) and let you see over obstacles.

>>14678762
>>Implying people here can't afford boats, RVs, and other fun things to do on weekends that require towing.
There was no such implication.

>implying you're not assmad because you're a yuropoor who will never be able to afford AWD, Cargo Space comfort.

That's an amusing statement considering I have two AWD cars, one of which is an SUV. Well selfrekt

Judging by this single post, I'm going to assume a quarter of one of my cars has more value than the one 90s Suburban you have.

>>14678786
You cunt?

>>14678214
Because wagons are now seen as quintessentially European and most Americans don't want to go the direction Europe is going in any form.

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>>14678799

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stay mad euros

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>>14678857
Oh, are we meming now?

>>14678880
It looks like a hearse

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Murrica fuck yeah

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towing muh hemi with muh hemi

>>14678395

>Caterpillar

I'm surprised by the things they make, including their cell phones

Keep spreading freedom cat

>>14678214
Because ESS YOU VEE means FREEDUMS.

America is a bunch of idiots.

>people drive their kids in wagons
>"I don't want a wagon, they're for old people like my parents"
>they drive their kids in minivans
>"I don't want a minivan, they're for old people like my parents, and wagons are for my grandparents"
>they drive their kids in SUVs
"I don't want an SUV, they're for old people like my parents, and minivans are for my grandparents"
>they drive their kids in crossovers
"I don't want a crossover, they're for old people like my parents, and SUVs are for my grandparents"
>???

>>14679024
Shooting brakes

>>14679024
And this is an issue because…?

You guys do understand most american enthusiasts do like wagons, right?

>>14679048
this
I had a tdi wagon that was bretty good

>>14678401
Is this what the Chrystler-badged European Dodge Magnum looks like? Because that distinctly looks like a Dodge Magnum with a Chrysler grill.

>>14679303
Both 300 and Magnum wagons are just long coffins. 300 is just a bit posh.

>>14679303
That's exactly what it is. The Dodge Magnum was sold as the Chrysler 300C Touring in the EU.
EU never got the base 300, only the 300C and our 300's were assembled by Magna SXteyr in Austria. Mine in the pic for example has a 3 litre turbo diesel engine made by Benz.

I love the car, would never give a second thought if I had to pick between this one or a Benz wagon. THe interior space is just ridiculous, even though the interior looks vomit inducing

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>>14678214
They've been effectively replaced by SUVs and Crossovers thanks to select legislation. Also, the last time manufacturers had wagons in their line up literally only niggers bought them

>>14679047

automakers keep trying to cater to fucking millenials (even though they're broke) and fucking boomers (even though they should die). So they make the stuff they think millenials and boomers will buy and fuck everything else.

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I want one.

>>14678214
Why yurocucks don`t like fun?

>>14679562
But we do, the fuck you on about?

>>14678665
Yes. Handling, and fuel economy.

Because it's not a fuckbarge like SUV's are, it can make better use of available torque and wastes less fuel

Because it's not a topheavy fuckbarge, it handles better and is much less likely to roll over

If you need to haul people or may need lots of space more often than not, a Minivan is perfect for what you need as it's designed to be roadgoing instead of being a topheavy memebarge

If you need a vehicle that can get good mileage while still being practical enough to carry 4 people and cargo or 2 people and lots of cargo, but still being as economic and the width and height of a sedan, the wagon is king.

What are modern SUV's good at? Maybe cargo space and towing, but they fail at everything else.

And no, I'm not European, I'm as American as can be, I just really hate what the SUV has become.

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>>14679593
SUVs are the new limousines tbq

>>14679583
Then why is it nearly impossible to own a fun/fast car in yurop?

>>14679618
Because yurop, fun and fast cars simply don't exist here. You have to pick either or, or have 2 cars like I do for both.

>>14679618
define fast plz

the doding father in his goofy family wagon has become a sort of cultural icon of uncool, and wagons have fallen into association with that

i honestly feel like the national lampoon movies killed wagons

>>14678214
A5 better.

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>>14678665
Handling probably isn't the best word here, but roadholding, road feel, steering feel, responsiveness, lower center of gravity, less likelihood of tipping, etc. are all major factors that contribute to a safer (objective) and better (subjective) driving experience.

Also,

> handling isn't important

Get the fuck out.

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>>14679514
You're right, why cater to the market when you can cater to /o/, with all of their money and good taste?

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>>14678984
Go on.

>Murrikans can't into Towception

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>>14679863

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>>14678265

Modern wagons are fucking useless, I bet you cant even fit a small kart in there.

>>14678283
>Volvos
>aerodynamics

double kek

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The one in the back is supposed to be a wagon.

>>14678369

Towing with a VW car....

Those trannies can't even hold themselves together under normal driving conditions. North America has things called hills and mountains.

>>14678334
Are these actually decent though? I saw one the other day in manual never thought that was an option and I've been intrigued ever since.

>>14679825

>implying /o/ isn't boomers and millenials

>>14679970

Euro Mondeos were one of the best non-suv towing cars at one point. Brits should know, they lug around caravans all day.

Who /raisedwagonoffroading/ here?

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WE INVENTED THE WAGON YOU FUCKING EURO KEK.

Now our wagons are AMERICA SIZED

DEAL
E
A
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USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA

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>>14679993
1938 PV800 says fuck you and your country.

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>>14680039
1904, where da wagon adventures at?

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>>14680039
>not 4wd
>Heavy as fuck
>can't offroad

get your shit together senpai

>>14678756
H6 have timing chains so there's that.
Spec Bilsteins are sweet sedans

>>14679048

>Which is why any time they have been made they didn't sell.

No amercan enthusiast like saying they like wagons, they don't like buying said wagons or hatches.

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>>14680064
>gears
>combustion
>stuck in a museum

>>14680107
Combust or bust!

>>14678502
>he needs a SUV to carry people and things from point A to point B.
>lives in the suburbs

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Q5 3.0 TDI better 2.0shiTSI alloroad?

>>14680114

What is a third row seat?

Some people have multiple children to move around and don't want to drive a Minivan.

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>>14680126
Allroad is allright.

>>14680136

Allroads lead to insanity.

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>>14678324
The 240 is insane when it comes to space. I had a 1992 and I work as a courier delivering lost luggage out of my city's airport. With all the seats fold down I was able to cram 12 full size suitcases in the back and buckle another one in the passenger seat. I loved that car.

>Dat feeling of accomplishment after loading up my Tetrismobile

>>14678857
>not 10% amerindian.

Do you even special snowflake?

>>14678919
>Canada is just a hat

kek

>>14680114
And how is this even remotely related to what I posted?

>>14680132
>oh no, I`m getting cucked into buying something practical, but don`t want to look like a huge faggot cuck
>I know, I`m gonna buy the most tuffguy SUV I can find, that will show em

>>14680195

Uh yeah pretty much. Having the freedom and money to do so is beautiful isn't it?

>>14680195
Why eat anything besides rice and beans? Afraid you're getting cucked into eating something practical?

>>14679647
>wagons are barely relevant in murrika today
>still seen constantly in shit like Simpsons and Family Guy

>>14679774

Hummer stronk

>>14678214
associated with hipsters and mothers

they are real popular in pacific northwest usa where there are lots of hipsters

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Wagon... Yes Plz!

Murica... this is why we can't have nice things :(

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>>14680421
Goddamn muh dick

mazda pls

>>14680421
"new" sky-active engine it`s a peace of shit

>>14678267
The boxer engines are a pain in the fuarking ass to work on, even with simple jobs like changing spark plugs. More complicated jobs like having to replace a head gasket, 4g3t about it.

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Ausfag here, our wagons don't fuck around when it comes to boot space.

>>14678296
kek

>>14678338
>Fusion wagon?

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>>14680227
that's the weird thing
soccer mom cars are crossovers and SUVs by a massive margin but in media, they're seen more in wagons for some reason

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I'm european and I'm tired of wagons desu. I'm more impressed to see a coupe than a wagon as there are so many of them. They are practical though, also good for fugging in the trunk after lowering the rear seats. Pic related my current wagon, i5 diesel engine

>>14681395
Mondeo wagon. Same thing, different market.

>>14681406

Because they only do wagon type work

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>>14681406
Not really. The stereotypical soccer mom car in the US today (not counting a van) would be a Chevy Traverse or an equivalent large crossover. You wouldn't think of an Audi as a mom car would you?

>>14681444
just watch various shows involving sterotypical soccer moms or doting dad's and you'll notice they're disproportionately in wagons of various kinds, usually subies and volvos. that's just the cultural image which has long since departed from reality

>>14681350
Why?

>>14679643
160 burger units

>>14681427

That`s because most modern coupes are pretty ugly.

>>14681431

I always kinda liked this. Its still small, but less so than the hatch.

>>14678214
Because practicality for the sake of practicality will never be cool. Also look at wagons your parents drove in the 70s. The image has been ruined beyond repair.

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>>14678459
>he hates maaaaad skids

That redblock though

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'16 VW Sportwagen.

Love my Wagon

>>14678214
Dad had a Mercury Sable station wagon, seats in the trunk were fun to sit in and watch the world go by

>>14680132
It's called too bad. If you wanna buy a vehicle that crumples straight into your kids heads in a crash, cause god knows if you're one of those "waaaah, minivans aren't fashionable" people you drive like a dangerous cunt, then go ahead, buy a top-heavy vehicle that rolls like a barrel. We'll all be happy when you're dead.

>>14680094
>Bilsteins
I saw one the other day, it was bright red and looked a little ugly, not sure about the front grill either..

>H6 have timing chains
What does that mean? I'm a car dummy sorry.

>>14681564
mmm, that's a nice boooty

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can i post my grocery getter here

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>>14682758
Timing chains and timing belts are simply two different ways of linking the crankshaft and camshaft(s) together to keep them in time. With chains they last the life of the engine, usually, but if they fail it's a bigger pain in the ass to change them. Belts have to be changed every 100k or so but are lighter and less complicated. Belts are also much quieter than chains.

>>14682917
keep in mind "lifetime of the engine" can also mean different things to different manufacturers
it seems like most german manufacturers these days don't care about anything past 100k

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I very honestly miss my wagon. Goddamn piece of shit that it was.

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Feeling pretty comfy with my VAGina xD

>>14678880
Stay mad at what? GM Ford and Shitsler haven't had the balls to make something like the typhoon since the 90's

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>>14682927
not to mention that the chains themselves might be 'lifetime', but the guides and tensioners definitely arent and tend to go after 100k, grenading your entire motor.

Do Legacy GT Turbo wagons make choo choo noises?

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When will this hit America, pls respond

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rip

>>14678265
Audi avants are known to have the least cargo space amongst competitors

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Too low?

>>14684242
>buy avant for practicality
>make it utterly useless irl driving

>>14684245
It's an rs6, what practicality?

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Why come only Germany makes station wagons in Europe?

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Fastest wagen evar

>>14684231
>stolen at gunpoint then burnt to crisps

Wow I remember seeing that rs6 all over the gram

>>14684252
What is Sweden..

>>14684260
A German country. And an anomaly.

>>14678395
Nigger, people tow shit all the time. Everywhere I go there are trains on the interstate of RVs and boats traveling throughout my state. Shit, I tow hay bales, ATVs, motorcycles, jetskis, and horses on a near-daily basis.Most of the time off-road, or on really shitty dirt roads.

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>tfw I drive a wagon

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9-3 and alfa 159 best wagon ever.

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>>14678373
>>14678394
>>14679559
M8

>>14678267
Can attest they're fantastic. Pic related, mine.

>>14683616
From the factory? Yes moderately so, as they use a recirculating blowoff valve. Could easily be modded to add more choo choo.

>>14679001
It's a cat engined DAF truck.

>>14681643
There was even a gti made out of 206sw.

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>>14684212
>Americans can't buy even RS6 sedan

hahaa uhuhuh ohohoh

https://youtu.be/8ppDuVGsDV8?t=33s

>>14678214

Crossovers have more room.

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Sedan cucks pls go

>>14684739
>https://youtu.be/8ppDuVGsDV8?t=33s

Jesus christ Audi A6/S6/RS6 is just so goddamn ugly as a sedan. Why did they even consider making anything else than an A6 estate. Glad they only made the new one as estate atleast.

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Im converting people everyday

>>14684251
The one you get with the fact that its a wagon for fucks sake.

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It does look strange, but driving down the road in a flying sofa feels good. All you can hear from it as its driving is the shrill sound of the turbo spooling and eurobeat.

>>14684242
Why the fuck do people think this looks good? The fact that it totally ruins the car by removing any possibility of driving it basically anywhere is a chapter for itself. But when the wheel arches no longer even follows the wheel, and just hangs down over the wheel it looks plain ugly.

>>14678324
>tfw over 100 cu.ft of cargo space and my family still finds ways to completely fill it with junk

>>14680039
I wouldn't even call that a wagon. The back is too short.

Nice suicide doors though.

>>14683010
Reminds me of my dads Audi A4 3.0TDI. He has the first gen 3.0TDI, and looks just like this thing when it comes to the timing chains. It has like 4 or 5 different chains, instead of just 1 like the second generations had.

>>14681757
what on earth is that ugly mother fucker

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the Kingswood tho

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>>14678214
I love my wagon.

>>14684906
nigger mobile

>>14678311

That looks like a hearse

>>14681757
absolutely pig disgusting

>ugly, crooked arch extenders
>exposed holes everywhere
>non-matching hood
>what the fuck are those mirrors

>>14678214
oh good god audis are so fucking boring. the only design elements they have are the headlights and taillights. sideview looks boring af.

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>>14678454
>volvo btfo

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>tfw all you want is an audi 200 quattro wagon
>tfw they are all gone
why even live

>>14678880
>American quality so good that brand new Typhoon whose "leather" seats looks more worn than my 1999 9-5 Aero seats.

In North America the minivan is the choice for practicality , fuel-economy, cargo capacity, seating capacity etc.

>obviously a wagon will fill all these holes

the holes no one thinks about is in the rocker panels of every Dodge Caravan , the clinking sound of coins as the engine mounts come loose
Chevy/Pontiac uplander/pursuit
Astro/Safari

certified POS's but they generate revenue when they fall apart and breakdown so why spend money on selling wagons that are reliable when they can have return business in the form of labour

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Can't believe nobody has posted the best looking wagon yet.

>>14684802
I'm sure it's got airbags to make everything all right again

>>14686453

Pretty sexy, but they had to pull a Honda Prelude and give it a long ass hood with a transverse mounted engine. Ugh.

>>14686975
Bags*

>>14681529
Not him, but SkyActive motors are shit for people who wish to mod motors, because of it's limits it is nearly impossible.

Mazda did a really good job at torks and mpgs with the compression they have on that motor.

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>>14687046
I essentialy have a mustang wagon...
5.0 Fox body Fairmont

>>14684906
And you chose the most boring color of the decades?

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>>14678214
because this happened

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>>14678214
Because to the generation ahead of mine they were effectively mini vans. Now to my generation they're fine because they've been replaced by the crossover segment, the new mom car. No, seriously google mom car and see what comes up.
But because of the stupid cafe laws we'll never get them back, because suvs are more cost effective to produce because they can be classified as a light truck and not a car that has stricter fuel economy regulation. In the end even Subaru gave up and turned the venerable legacy outback into a fucking suv

>>14689815
this look like an old merc from a distance

>>14689829
Agreed

Americans don't buy wagons because most of us are too fat to sit our asses down in a car that sits lower than your typical crossover.

>>14686453
I would kill for a 159 wagon with a high revving v8

>>14678390
yesssss

>>14678214
for non americunts its an estate*

>>14679971
I'm pretty sure the SS variant came only in manual. It has the same drivetrain of the Cobalt SSTC.

>>14678214
Why do 3rd worlders always make sweeping generalizations about the land of the free?

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>>14678333
GOAT wagon

My avant

>>14678334
Theres nothing good about this car.

>Be fat fucking American imperialist pig
>Can't drive the p e r f e c t Subaru diesel wagon
>Us gov actively cucking every American citizen with regulations

Just.

>>14691767
>perfect
>subaru
>diesel
Go back to sleep and try again tomorrow.

>>14691785
Could you educate me then? I'm an American so I've been deprived of information. All I know is Subaru is good, diesel is good, and wagons are my personal style. So what's not to like?

>>14691813
Do you know anyone who drives a subaru diesel? No you don't. Guess why.

>>14691824
Because I live in America where they aren't sold or legal to drive?

>>14691985
Because theyre shit. Im also american btw

VW, FUCK, I WANT A4 AVANT IN US

>>14692332
>a Passat wagon with a fancy badge and price markup to match
You're not missing anything, trust me.

>>14692374
> Passat wagon with a fancy badge and price
Nice joke, idiot.

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>>14678373
>>14678394
>>14679559
>>14684343

Ayyyyy
Sedan legacies are nicer

>>14692164
If everything that was shit would be illegal in the US, Detroit would've been outlawed by 1975.

>>14684331
> GM shitbox
> Best
kek

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HSV Clubsport R8 tourer.
6.2L supercharged LSA
400kw

>>14678311
Fuck this car. The analog to itis the cherokee srt8. Douchebag vehicles of the same tier.

>>14678984

There's only one "hemi" in that picture, champ.

>>14693027
>sedan
What a fucking loser.

>>14694385
Subaru wagons are fucking ugly, most wagons are ugly. Only a few look good. Modern wagons look good, classic wagons look good, the bullshit Subaru dumped out does not look good.

I wish more were sold in the US so I wouldn't have to settle for a hatch back.

>>14694445
> Subaru wagons are ugly
> most wagons are ugly
If this whole thread didn't convince you otherwise, then there's no helping you.

>>14678287
The chevy suburban, which is the god king of all SUVs, has been in production since the 1930s.
>>14678369
Don't pretend that you couldn't tow more behind an SUV, also the ground clearance and 4wd helps in the snow.
>>14678395
SUVs have more interior space and a covered cargo area which trucks don't have.
>>14678400
Most americans don't care about weight or fuel economy because gas is cheap here, and most casual drivers don't care about handling.
>>14678465
They are built on truck frames, with the same drive trains you idiot.
>>14678476
To a lot of regular drivers they don't, not everyone is a driving enthusiast, most users don't give a shit. As long as its comfortable to sit in, goes fast enough to drive on the highway and starts every time they turn the key.

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I just imported this into Canada for the wife, been driving it for just over a month. E55T AMG best minivan ever.

>>14678522
>but also want to wnjoy driving
Most of the car buying public doesn't think like this

>>14679593
>makes better use of available torque
But SUVs typically have big v8s which produce so much more torque that it doesn't matter if they use it as efficiently.
>minivans
I agree, I fucking love minivans and 90% of the people on the road driving SUVs could be driving minivans instead with no loss of functionality.
>SUVs are only good at cargo space and towing
If I'm not building a drag racer, cargo and space are my primary concerns when I shoo for cars

>>14682643
>being this butthurt that complete strangers like what you don't like
You need to go outside more

>>14696086
Having had a wagon and an SUV and a pickup, I can honestly vouch that the covered cargo area is not that great in the end. The interior storage is nice and good for say a road trip while towing a trailer, as there is plenty of room for friends, food, a couple dogs and more. The wagon definitely lacks as much interior space and towing capacity, and pickups have even less interior space.
Big part of the utility of a truck isn't just it going off road and towing stuff, but throwing stuff into it. Doors, smaller appliances, plywood, lumber, drywall all goes well in an SUV, but when it comes to loose things like firewood, gravel, mulch &c, it's a major mess in an SUV.
I found the ground clearance of my SUV was not that much help in the snow and ice, I lived on a fairly steep road that would get packed down to ice very fast, and the truck only had RWD.
It was the only thing that could climb the street without the road getting plowed as the sheer weight of it crushed the ice and it climbed up without a problem. I never actually had a problem and used it to go skiing with friends and such and remained unstuck in storms that pinned their AWD cars, while I just sunk to the road in the snow and it happily plowed out everything in front of it.
For casual drives though, they do care about handling. Drive an old SUV and compare it to a new one, the new one is far more comfortable and handles very much like a stereotypical american car, while older ones really show their truck basis. The SUV is nice, I loved mine and they have their place, but for a lot of people they fill a fairly minor niche. They're a decent all rounder if you need an all rounder that is more than a car base, but they don't exactly excel at any one thing.
Crossovers are definitely killing their advantages though, trying to be SUVs and usually lacking body on frame, so the better durability and ruggedness isn't really going to be there, and any body damage is going to be pretty serious.

>>14691985
They aren't sold because americans in general don't buy them. Yuros need to get 50 mpg because fuel is like 100 bongs/crumpet or some shit so they all drive 1L turbo diesles shitheaps that are slow as fuck and sound like wet ass. Americans are fucking poor and gas here is cheap so we can afford to drive things that don't suck.

>>14696213
Crossovers are fucking hideous though. As far as gravel and loose shit go, you can tow a trailer on the back of your SUV if you find yourself doing a lot of that stuff.
I think the all arounder factor is a big part of their draw. Rather than paying for upkeep and insurance on a pickup that you don't drive regularly most people would just rather have a DD that they can do most truck stuff with.

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>look for a 3 series wagon
>can only find base model 320i wagons
>all cloth interior, none even have electronic climate control
>All base model and everything, but of course they have the FUCKING STUPID steptronic

I wouldnt mind the basic bitch cloth and non electronic climate control if i could atleast find a 325i

>>14696261
Bruh, get a 5 series wagon instead. e39 come in 530+

>>14696261
BMW cloth seats are super comfy
Dont be a dick

>>14693385
>auto only

>>14696782
Wanting to waste 1 second for each gear change while accelerating

>>14692424
Actually, >>14692374 is right.

The Passat and A4 Avant are the same platform.

With the exception the B5.5 Passat. I think Audi jumped to the B6 sooner, and there was no B5.5 A4.

>>14679943
>bitches dont know bout muh 850 R drag coefficient of 0.29