2017 ZL1 Revealed, GT350 On Suicide Watch

>forced induction

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Dumping pics from the press pack.

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Slower and more expensive than this, and it looks like ass. Why would anyone buy a new car for performance reasons?

Wooo 100k camaro

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1.- looks like utter shit, its literally hot-wheels tiernow

2.-LT4 overheat after a lap

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>more retarded badge placement

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>>14653434

It was hot wheels tier 6 years ago, m8.

https://youtu.be/zwTuJ-FAi8U?t=12s

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>He unironically drives an automatic

>>14653404
So if you go and buy some Eurotrash, your choices are all over 100 grand and produce less power.

BMW M6, Merceds E63 AMG Coupe, RS7, Aston Martin Vantage and DB9, Bently coupe thing, Jag XKR.

Or you can buy American. For ~$60k you can choose between a 707hp Challenger, a 661hp GT500, or a 640hp ZL1, 640hp Caddy. All of which (except maybe the GT500) offer the same toys, in some cases MORE technology, better build quality, lower maintenance costs, reliability, heritage, better comfort, more space, faster around a race track, better engine sounds. There is more I'm jsut forgetting it.

>>Supercharged 6.2L V8 LT4 Small
oh so its a unreliable piece of shit that can only do one lap at full power

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>He unironically drives a manual

>>14653484
>in some cases MORE technology, better build quality
>heritage, better comfort
wrong on all these points.

delusional amerifat

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Last pic, more info can be found here.

http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=444455

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More like GT350R/911/M4/M6/S6/GTR/ect on suicide watch.

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As I recall, the 5th gen ZL1 could match plenty of same generation super cars, this one looks like it will mop the floor with them.

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>>14653484
>all of them weight 100 tonnes

>>14653565
>Weighs 100 tonnes
>still crushes Eurotrash

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>>14653574
>it doesnt

I am detecting a lot of buttrage from your posts

>>14653585
>http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/willow-springs
>GT-R FUCKING CRUSHED BY A 4-DR CADDY
>800+ HP Porsche Crushed by a 650hp Viper
>z06 crushing everything else from Europe/Japan
Eurotrash and Jap Crap.

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>>14653404
And I thought the SF-R had the worst REEEEE face

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>>14653599
>z06
>crushing anything but its own engine

tip top kek
http://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/c7-z06-discussion/3650835-c7-zo6-blown-motor-with-6-miles.html

>>14653404
>electronic limited-slip differential
nigga you better not be tellin me gm is just slapping in an open diff and letting a computer actuate the brakes in this shit

Wake me up when the Z/28 with a proper track package comes out. Fuck this trying to shoehorn the LT4 into everything, just give me a mostly stripped down SS with an aggressive looking track pack. All I fucking want.

>>14653404
>still can't see out of it

>>14653670
You mean a 1LE? or still too comfy?

>>14653404
>10 speed auto

Why stop there even?

>>14653681
The 428 in the C6 Z06 was a smallblock.

>>14653681
small block and big block stands for deck height, not displacement alone

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>>14653670
>just give me a mostly stripped down SS with an aggressive looking track pack. All I fucking want.

This pretty much. also if they make a Z28 hopefully they don't go too crazy with the flares and whatnot.

The old Z28 was pretty straight-forward.

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>>14653670

Here.

>>14653683
Still to comfy, I'd like them to go nuts with a track variant. Make everything in the car manual, make it as mechanically simple as possible while keeping the car road legal, do things like remove the rear seats, replace the trunk and hood with carbon fiber. Even maybe even enlarge the current LT1. Then keep all the suspension, brakes, and tire upgrades from the 1LE.

looks like what happens when your dick gets electrocuted

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>>14653681

>>14653404
>that fucking wavy grille

Ugly as fuck.

>>14653740
That would cost way too much money and not sell.

>>14653747
Haha someone post a gm v8 vs a dohc coyote. And they call pushrods pigfat engines...

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>>14653790
>le coyote meme

fuck off kid

>>14653779
Porsche does it and they sell like hotcakes.
They convince buyers to pay more for removed seats and door handles.

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>>14653793

>>14653799
Less..actually. I used to laugh at the ala carte options until I realized the true purpose.

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>>14653754

Can you imagine if there was a Firebird WS6 Ram-Air version? (holy shit)

I kinda like it though because even though i don't necessarily like its looks it will make a lot of people buttmad especially the Z28 and to add insult to injury being beat by a car people consider ugly and grotesque just makes people even more mad. the SS already kinda triggered bimmer fans recently. http://www.motortrend.com/news/comparison-2015-bmw-m4-vs-2016-chevrolet-camaro-ss/

>>14653793
>250lb/ft of torque
C U C K
U
C
K

>>14653867
>needs torque to haul her fat american gf around

JEW
E
W

>>14653790
5.0L DOHC Coyote
>28" Length
>26" Height
>27.5" Wide
>444lbs

LS1
>28.75" Length
>28.25" Height
>25" Wide
>423lb

>>14653790
5.0L DOHC Coyote
>26" Length
>28" Height
>29" Wide
>444lbs

LS1
>29" Length
>28" Height
>26" Wide
>440lbs

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>>14653886

>>14653619
That is definitely not what an electronic LSD is.

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>>14653874
>can't take off at the prinny drags
>isn't even a lebbo

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>>14653479

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>>14653895
Only weight I can find is 465 full dressed.

>>14653909
can you just fucking stop already

>>14653434
>Not wanting a hot wheels car

Your 10 year old self would look at you in shame.

any idea what MSRP is going to be?

>>14653404
That gaping front grille looks hideous but I'm sure it'll be a nice performance bargain. Hopefully it doesn't suffer from cooling issues though.

>>14653404
holy christ that thing is ugly

what an obnoxious front end. I'm sure its good though

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>>14654124

I don't think the new CTS-V did, did it? if not why would this one?

>>14654091
it doesnt look like the hotwheels from when I was 10 years old, it looks like the garbage they started to make when i was 15-16

>>14653427
There are better looking and more attractive people than you. Why should anyone have sex with you?

>>14653611
That's it boys, this anon literally posted once instance of bad shit happening. Therefore, all C7s are shit. Time to pack it up

>>14653404

All that power yet it can't outrun ugly. That grille is ass.

>>14653740
Just buy a fucking go-kart

>10 speed torque converter
TOP
FUCKING
KEK

>>14654177

You probably made a huge mistake by replying...

>>14653599 could've just listed the ACR as the Z06 allowed him to meme.

Your penis must be over 12" to drive this and not look a twat.

>>14654123
Probably around $60k starting

>>14654153
It does

>>14653416
>implying this matters on street cars.

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Camaro went for the oversized fish mouth grill styling meme, too.

Wew lad, a 10 speed? Reminds me of a CVT but done for good reasons
Can't wait to see the track times n shit

>>14653471
>American Interiors

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>>14654214
>implying I can't meme the ACR

I am a professional memer

>>14653740
You're the reason the FRS/BRZ sucks. They listened to shitbirds like you.

>>14653895
Is this a post for ants?

>>14654410
You have to be subscribed to HOT ROD® Magazine to view the full size pic

>>14653404
plz come to europe
plz be 10k

>>14654420
>subscribing to Motor Trend OnJewmand
It's like you don't want to stay rich

>>14654355

That is indeed a meme but not really a bothering one. the Viper went out on a good note much like the Evo and the Supra.

>>14653404
>Gaping anus front end
>That hideous plastic mesh inside it
>>14653435
Rear kind of reminds me of an Evo in that pic... but fatter and uglier.

>>14654434
Gone to join the great carpark in the sky.

>>14654643
>plastic
>metal is better than plastic meme

>>14653895
A full 5 inches wider than a 302

>>14654677
>Becomes brittle as shit with age
I don't even really care that it's plastic, it's that it just looks like complete shit.

P I G F A T
I
G
F
A
T

>>14653404
>supercharged 6.2L V8
>****ONLY**** 640hp.
>pushrods.

meanwhile:
>ford N/A 5.2L v8
>makes 526hp

difference of 1L and a supercharger for a whole whopping 114hp, while still weighing significantly more and being GM shit.

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>>14655202

Move over pleb.

>N/A
>727 hp

>>14654124
the cooling issue with the z06 is mostly due to smaller cooing bricks and no room under the hood to dissipate the heat. I remember reading they had to change the design to meet european pedpro standards,

>>14655941
they should just say fuck Europe and fix the fucking car. no one buys them there anyway.

>>14653434
LT4 doesn't overheat in Alpha platform cars with plenty of coolin surface (CTS-V).

>>14653404
Kinda disappointed it doesn't have the double-overdrive 7-speed.

>>14654355
There's no definitive cancellation of the Viper yet. They might just pull a convertible out of their ass that skirts all the side impact airbag requirements.

>>14653404
>Heavy-ass 6.2 rather than glorious master race LS7
>10 speed auto for maximum pointlessness, no corvette 7 speed manual
>Pussy button for suspension, pussy traction control, electric diff so your baby arms don't need to do anything, launch control for light racing faggots and some more pointless electronic bullshit for adjusting seat position

Pigfat, electronic piece of shit with the non-revving, heavy, boring engine and an automatic.
Cool.

I'll stick to master race flat plane, thanks.

>>14655202
>most powerful 2015 Mustang engine: 526hp
>most powerful 2015 Camaro engine:640hp

>>14654285
Source?

>>14655947
I bet Corvettes sell like shit over in Europe what with the displacement tax and not being a European car. Maybe they should just make a US and a Euro-spec version.

>>14655964
6.2 isn't heavier than the LS7. Besides, LS7's aren't DI like all current GM V8's are trying to be, and that thing really went over the bore limit of the factory LS blocks.
7 speed manual only offer gas mileage. 6 speed is actually better for track use due to less rotating mass. Auto is indeed pointless, but competetive and required for the market segment.
Magnetic ride is actually one of the best things to have in a performance car, unless you've got 10 grand worth of coilovers and enjoy lying under your car to do suspension settings.
TCS and electronic nannies are standard nowadays.

>>14655976
They actually sell pretty well over here, despite their price hike.

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>>14655713

LOL i remember when this thing first came out, I have magazines from the early 2000's with this engine all over the cover

Still wouldnt pay the price theyre asking, theres

2ugly
will sound like shit
no visibility
GM

yeah the GT350 is better still

>>14655978
The supercharged 6.2 is much heavier then the LS7. Shit, the LS7 is lighter than the normal LS3.

It doesn't need to be an LS7, all it needed was the LT1 or whatever it's called with some cams so it revs.
then they could take some of the pigfat out and actually build something fun on a track.

This heap of shit is like a hellcat, only it won't sound as good or do as good burnouts therefore defeating the entire motherfucking point.

>>14653479
Autotragic for the burgerlards

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>Ford transmission
>Z06 motor
>Caddy chassis/suspension
I guess they're saving the cup tyres, carbon brakes and serious aero for the Z28. $80k Camaro here we come.

>>14655202
>What is a torque curve?

>>14653484
I love American cars, but even I'll admit you're full of shit.

>MORE technology
No

>better build quality
Definitely no

>heritage
Maybe

I'm afraid you're just looking at the benchracer numbers and I have a strong feeling you haven't driven anything good with 500+ HP.

>>14653740
Here's the thing, people like you say all this stuff, and when manufacturers listen to you, you don't even buy the car. Fuck off.

>>14655976
He's bullshitting. The Caddy's haven't had any cooling issues. It was just the Corvette.

>>14656003

>Talking about LS engine
>Cams

Stop posting.

>>14656053

>Ford transmission

Hope this is bait since GM and Ford co-developed it.

>>14656003

I know right? Remember how bad the previous ZL1 was?

>>14656003

>You need 700 hp to sound good or do a burnout

You are bench racing incarnate.

>>14656168
If you're being a retard and putting more than 600hp in a camaro you might as well go 700 and make it actually sound good

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>muh 7 speed manuel
IT. WON'T. FIT.
The vette can manage because it uses a trans axle to help with weight distribution.

>>14656205
How can a 10 speed fit but not a 7?

>>14656191

100 hp does not change the exhaust note.

>>14655962
Lt4 does overheat in caddys
Do your research

>>14656118
You too


http://news.boldride.com/2015/10/2016-cadillac-cts-v-review-first-drive/91419/

>>14656214

Look closer at the picture you retarded fuck. Where is the transmission located?

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>>14656158
>implying a venture between FORD and GM is a marriage of equals
I like you. You make me laugh.

>>14653404
looks like a damn corolla.

>>14653404
THAT HOOD
>Shaker hood
>muh dick

>>14655202
the old z28 (or the zl1 not sure) has 100 more hp and torque during all the rpm ranges as dyno tested. in other words, the z28 feels better and doesnt have to rev to a gazillion revs just to notice any power

>>14653867
Hahaha holy shit even my 90s Buick shitbox has more torque than that, what the fuck

>>14653672
Underrated post

Fucking hell, I didn't think they could make that front bumper even uglier.
They really outdid themselves.

>>14656139
what exactly are you implying?

>>14653404
golf clap for chevy finally passing 100hp/L
and with forced induction...

>>14656662

There's only one cam senpai

>>14656672
>Chev need forced induction to hit 100hp/L
>Ford have 101hp/L from an N/A or 154hp/L with the choo choo

>>14653540
M4 is already on suicide watch, Motor Trend tested it against a 2016 Camaro SS and they came out even.

>>14655202
ford is a dyno queen, has lots of hp but not as much guts as the camaro. The 0-100, 100-200 times show that. Same deal for the SS vs. GT

>>14656094
You know that just makes it worse. The fact that even with all those things European cars are still slower while being at a much higher price point.

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How can Europeans even compete? Lmaoooo

>>14657237
they'd rather build 0.9l diesel shitboxes because people over there aren't allowed to buy anything fun

>>14657237
By building cars capable of more than a one lap effort

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>>14657252

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>>14657420
>mfw i watched the 24 hours of Daytona and the corvette driver bumped the porsche driver who was in 1st place in the GTLM class on the last few minutes of the race nudging him out of the way so he could pass

Man i bet he was fucking PISSED heh...

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>>14657420
>posting a racecar because the production version is a piece of shit

>>14657420
Oh look it's the car that doesn't use the new lt series engine because everyone knows it's a massive piece of shit
Thanks for proving my point retarded fuck

>>14657503
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66kcZYTncMg

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>Implying Chevy can match up to Ferd

>>14657517
Im sorry what does this have to do with anything?

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>>14657463
All's fare in love and racing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brNtbaMadX4

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>>14657539
read
>>14657503
then watch
>>14657517

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>>14657557
but the corvette race car does not use the new LT

>>14657557
I'm still trying to understand what the Daytona car has to do with the lt4 engine being an unreliable piece of shit
The c7r still uses a ls

>>14657590

Not him but to be fair you started out saying >>14657252
>By building cars capable of more than a one lap effort

Basically implying Euro cars never over-heat or are always capable of more than a one lap effort when we see here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJx85diM3IE
>@ 13:15 the porsche breaks down and the vette doesn't

he posted the C7R to basically try to disprove your point that that they can build cars capable of more than a one lap effort

>>14657503
>Oh look it's the car that doesn't use the new lt series engine because everyone knows it's a massive piece of shit

Then you said the LT series engines are a piece of shit than he showed>>14657517 video to prove that the LT1 is fine its just the LT4 and its super-charger that's the problem child.

>>14657590
Now you go from saying LT series to just LT4. your point never was that the LT4 was shit you just said "by building cars capable of a one lap effort" then you said LT series and now your just saying LT4.

I'm not taking sides i just think there was a misunderstanding based on what transpired.

>>14657671
> all this damage control
Top
Kek

Gm a shit

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>>14657671
>to basically try to disprove your point that that they can build cars

but the C/R has a different engine than the production corvette dumbass

posting a C7R porves they can't build an engine

the LT1 is just as shit

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>>14653404
>electronic limited-slip differential

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>>14657721

>>14655976
>>14656118

http://news.boldride.com/2015/10/2016-cadillac-cts-v-review-first-drive/91419/


http://gmauthority.com/blog/2015/07/and-now-some-breathtaking-pictures-of-the-2016-cadillac-cts-v-on-the-track/

http://corvettec7fiasco.blogspot.com/2015/10/2016-cadillac-cts-v-inherits.html

>>14657721
Not sure if your>>14657252 or >>14657590

But he or you didn't say anything about the LT you just said by building cars capable of more than a one lap effort.

>posting a C7R porves they can't build an engine

Proves GM can't or at least they cannot into the LT anyway (the LS was also their engine).

>the LT1 is just as shit
Were there problems with it? i thought it was just the LT4.

>>14655966
>most powerful 2015 Camaro engine: 640hp
>most powerful 2013 Mustang engine: 662hp
>GMfags on suicide watch

>>14657875
gt500 couldnt take a corner without killing itself. Just like the hellcat.

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>>14657875

>>14653867
Haaaah my fucking 30 year old wagon does more than that shit

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>>14657941
>yfw you add 300+hp and nothing happens

>>14653479

>faster shifting
>better acceleration

why would I get a stick

>inb4 connected to vehicle

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>>14653404
>10 speed

>>14657941
>>14657994
fuck i really, really, really, like these. i think they are great and modern cars will never get as good as these, but fuck! they weigh too much!

>>14653619
>eLSD is the same as brake modulation STM

>'no'

>>14657784
>posts 3 sources
>of 1 source

At least read them first... Your third source actually says that only one test of the CTSV had issues doing laps on a hot day, others didn't, and points to your first source.

>>14653435
and retarded bumper sizing too, kek

The entire side of the car from the mirror down is a ripoff of the new mustang, and its the only good looking part...

>>14653484
>better build quality, lower maintenance costs, reliability, heritage, better comfort, more space, faster around a race track, better engine sounds


What are "things that are all wrong?"

>>14657941
>>14657994
Do you understand that the Supersnake is an upgraded GT and that the GT350 is a completely different beast?

>>14653404
>2016
>lolpushrods
COME ON

>>14658688
still wipes the floor with anything yurop has to offer

>>14658775
maybe before you need to turn
btw power is useless with a pigfat car to move

>>14658867
>new Camaro
>too pigfat to move
>can't turn
top kek

>>14658867
you forgot to mention the no windows part

>>14653735
>>14653670
GM is a bit retarded. The C7 Z06 is really the ZR1, and the Camaro SS 1LE is really the Z/28.

>>14653720
I wonder if we will get a Z/28 at all. They only made like 3000 of them.

>>14658901
>The C7 Z06 is really the ZR1

I thought the ZR1 was just meant to be a higher trim level than the Z06 for that generation.

if they can squeeze more performance out of the C7 than they will make a ZR1 trim otherwise it may be just like the C5 which was another corvette Gen that was Z06-only.

They might have to make a whole new corvette platform before they make a ZR1 because i don't think they can make more performance than this besides minor tweaks unless they make a mid-engine vette (for fuck sake why haven't they done this) at least see how the market responds.

>>14653740
Dude just buy a f-body and put a suspension on it.

>>14658961
I laughed more than I should have

>>14653841
That's a good looking ride.

>>14653404
Yeah it would totally rek the gt350 on a track, but its ugly, so who cares?

It will never be as cool as the gt350 anyway.

>>14653404
does it come with a spare engine?

also
>custom cheater tires

>>14653427
because, like you, they can't build a car for shit

>>14658993
>Putting good tires on a performance car is cheating

What kind of mind games are playing with yourself? I don't even like the camaro but it you can't just live under a rock and pretend its slow.

>>14659023
>sure they'll be trash after 5000 miles, but fuck does our brochure look good!

>>14659027
lol good point

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>>14653895

>>14659023
Putting tires barely legal for road use just to boost lap times is cheating
Nissan set their records at the ring on run flat all seasons

>>14659220
gtr is all wheel drive you tard

>>14658953
I don't buy that they need to go to a mid engined platform because the FMR layout is tapped out. For one thing, there isn't a C7 that is a legitimate hardtop car. They all have the targa top option or can be had as a convertible. Maybe the ZR1 will be a true hard top? Who knows, but there is still some performance left in the current Corvette chassis.

>>14653998
>>14653895
>>14653801
>>14653793
>>14653747
I remember one of the engineers for the confusion said a dohc engine like the coyote would very incapable of fitting into the city
How much truth is there to that and why

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ZL1 vs Hellcat vs GT500 when? Who will be king of the
>track
>strip
>street
How funny would it be if the next uberstang had the Ford GTs motor?
>#ecobeast

>>14653404
I honestly didn't think it could get uglier

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>>14653404
You know, that sounds great and all. There's one problem though. It's damn so damn ugly it makes pic related look fine.

>>14654153
not sure why but I get gundam feels with this car. but in a good way

>>14656053
i much prefer the z28 design. The new gen has way too much going on around the bumpers.

>>14658993

>Custom cop out argument

>>14653793
>le undersized 10000 rpm v8 notorque maymay

I think youre missing the point of the v8 configuration

Face it yropoors, your cars are getting BTFO.

the front of the car looks like it wants to kill the shitty designer who cuts his windows even more every year

>>14663582
It looks hungry.
Hungry for yurotrash and japcrap, which it eats for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

>>14654349
It will literally never fall out of the power band. This is amazing. Almost makes it worth considering over the stick

>>14661072
Holy shit I thought the edit of this pic was more exaggerated

>>14658901
The 1LE is not the Z/28.

>>14663875
Do we even know which engine the Z28 will have?

>>14663941
Probably a Version of the lt4

>>14653404

Holy shit that thing is ugly.

It's like they took the old catfish and made it angular as fuck.

>>14653435

Hey Camaro, what kinda blindspots do you want?>>14653443

>>14653443

The back of this thing looks like a Prius

>>14657994

850HP and does 1/4 in 12.3...amerishitty is at it again with the idiotic horsepower war. I'd rather have a car with usable power than this garbage piece of dated engineering.

>>14653479

> an automatic
> with leather

For what purpose...

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>>14663969
>supercharged Z28
Will we ever see a modern interpretation of the LT5?
>INB4 TTDOHCV8 from Caddy
That's a modern Northstar

>>14653878
>>14653886

Hivemind.

>>14657923
>Muscle cars are for turning

>>14664005

So you wont have to explain to every casual why a 10 speed is awesome.

>>14653404

Nice capabilities, I'm sure, but I don't like how it looks.

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>>14654354

90 hours photoshop

>>14664005
for old people

>>14661639
I guess it doesn't matter.
The pensioners and trust fund kiddies who buy this gaudy turd won't drive it enough to wear out even the shortest of short fuse tires.

>>14653435
>even the taillights are angry

>>14653841
if the firebird were around today it would literally be a camaro with a "retro" 70's inspired front nose.

>>14657994
How is this slower than a challenger hellcat on a dragstrip, what the fuck ford

Convertible when?

Whether or not you like this Camaro, holy crap. First the Hellcat, then the GT350, now this... In a few years well have super muscle cars.

Somehow they've even kept them semi-affordable. Plus all the big ones are halo cars that make the lesser models better. A new v6 meme pony beats old v8s. The fag ecoboost 4 is even great!

Idk guys, this is exciting stuff.

>>14653740
You can get a whitebody Camaro, you know.

Then, take a wrecked LT1/SS, and swap over the bits you want while you throw a tube frame suspension setup.

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>>14667626
>golden era
Thank you technology AND displacement
>11 second factory cars with sub 8 minute ring times that cost less than 100 grand

>>14668620
I don't understand why Europeans cannot get into the look of muscle cars, especially the Camaro.

When I look at it all I see is fun and badassery.

>>14668679
They're not allowed to have fun.

>>14667946

>>14668620
This. 600+hp for 60k. 400+hp daily drivers for 40k!

Truly this is a magical time

>>14655713
That's cute.
http://www.stangtv.com/news/video-2013-cobra-jet-5-0-put-to-the-dyno-test/

>>14657875
Actually the cobra jet mustangs have around 1,000

>>14665416
>Street tires

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>>14668679
>I don't understand why Europeans cannot get into the look of muscle cars, especially the Camaro.
Fuck you buddy, Camaro is my dream car. All gens. You offer me a Camaro or a super car, any super car, I'll pick the Camaro every fucking time. Fuck Boogatti. Fuck Koenigsplebs. Fuck Furrari especially. Camaro's where it's at nigga.

>>14657994
>Peak hp limited by fuel cutoff
>Peak torque over 5k

>>14669280
>that z/28

Hnnnnnnggg

>>14669199

>That's cute
>Look at this engine that makes less power

>>14669280
Don't let euros hear you say that or you'll be gassed (assuming you're european)

I remember Richard Hammond was also a muscle-fanboy and owns a vintage mustang and wanted a challenger.

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>>14670040
Hammond is an honorary American.

>10 speed torque converter
Because the jerky as fuck, overheating, unreliable piece of shit 8 speed slushbox in the C7 isnt good enough. What is the point.

>>14670076
8 speeds are so 2015. Get with the times grandpa.

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>>14669280
its over half the lhd cars imported into nz last year
and the Cadillac owners club is crazy here too people just don't know
I would post photos here more often but do not trust 4chan

>>14669472
>302 cubic inches making 85% of the power of 572 cubic inches
GayM btfo

>>14670916
Did you really just play the hp/l card in a ponycar argument?

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GM should make another Fiero

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>>14653463
>>14653471

From photos, I like the new Camaro interior so much.

I sat in the new Mustang and the interior seemed cluttered and blocky. The materials were okay, but there was a lot of hard plastic, and the shiny texture didn't look attractive in the direct sunlight.

I want a Camaro convertible.

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>>14653427
>>14654169

fuckin savage

>>14656759
That ss wasn't even a 1le

>>14673030
There isn't a doubt in my mind that the 1LE will style all over the tree fiddy. The non R version (w/track pack) can't even keep up with a Stingray.

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>>14669239
These aren't exactly cheapshit all weathers

>>14670977
...
>>14656112

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>>14654354
>European Cars

>>14653404
>640 horsepower

How is still legal and pop-up headlight aren't?

>>14681613
You can buy a 662 hp cobra, a 707 hp challenger and a 640 ZR1 that doesn't blow up for about the same price or cheaper than the new zl1

>>14681734
sadly the voodoo has been dead for a few years.

>>14681613

pedestrian safety laws and the stupidity of having pop ups when day time running lights are required.

>>14681748
The voodoo was just released 2 months ago

>>14681911
shit I was thinking about the trinity my bad.

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>Born in 1955, spent most of life working hard
>Father was WWII and Korean War vet, bought an original Z/29 when it was new
>Spend entire life working and paying for shitty kids and wife
Finally get to retirement age/kids are graduated/wife is getting social security
>finally squeeze enough shekels together to buy one new car for the first time in my life
>Buy brand new Camaro ZL1
>It's red just like pop's was!
>having such a blast- throttle response is fantastic!
>back into garage, "gee pop's was sure easier to see out the back of"
>"no, no! i turns corners much better than pop's 'maro ever did!"
>slowly start to realize I can't fuckin' see out of this thing
>on 65th birthday drive to son's house for my birthday
>oh boy!
>take the highway to save some time
>get fucking annihilated by a pickup in the right lane as i'm merging on to the highway
>be dead
>son pulls up to my funeral in a much more functional and practical GT350
>he can see out of it perfectly in all directions
>"at least he bought american" as I get sidswiped by jap cars in hell in my camaro for all eternity because their rooflines are below my windows

>>14668620
murrican here. old muscle cars look great. when I see these things all I can think of is "FAT" and how atrocious modern front grills look, and how much better metal looks. these cars look like they were designed by a fucking inflation fetishist.

>>14684314
>wat are mirrors/cameras

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>>14684314

1.) You're 65, you can't see shit anyways
2.) Camaro is literally one of the safest cars you can buy, you'd probably live getting hit by a pickup truck
3.) Your son wouldn't do come to your funeral for a few reasons: you would have smoked his GT350 estranged him, you'd still be alive cuz reason 2 up there, and finally he wouldn't be at your funeral because he doesn't exist because ur a fgt and never had a gf to make babies with

>>14684314
If you cannot check your blind spots properly in your mirrors you should not be driving.

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>>14654158
>>14653434
>Hotwheels Camaro

quit talking shit about my car

Will the CTS-V get this new 10 speed?

>>14685646
This is why cars have blind spot monitoring. How lazy are mfers getting can't check over your shoulder to see if there's a fucking car there

www.nettiauto.com/vaihtoautot?pfrom=60000&pto=70000&yfrom=2010&yto=2017

LOOK AT THESE PRICES JUST LOOK
>Slavshitstan
>Will never get 600bhp car for 60k

>2.0TDi Volkswagen/BMW/Volvo only

>>14688773
perkele

>>14653404
Gt 500 to get a tt 5.0 with over 700 hp. Chevy fails again http://horsepowerkings.com/ford-shelby-gt500-under-development/

>>14653695
Ford patented an 11 speed.

>>14653886
Tbh, 3 inches of width is actually huge.

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>>14688846
lel
>>14657994

>>14657994
This bitch car can't grip the road, that simple

>>14688755
Yeah no, if you adjust your mirrors properly you don't have to do that. The whole "check your shoulders" thing is just for stupid Amerifats to teach retarded teenage girls in driver's ed.

>>14688874
Those numbers are wrong, but you already knew that. Spreading misinformation is the cheapest form of trolling.

>>14688980
The Camaros #s? or the Mustangs #s?
>>14657517
>>14657557
For reference.

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>>14688863
>mfw I've driven commercial vehicles with fewer gears

>>14688846

Same website that claimed the last GT500 set a world record I the burgerkingring.

>>14664000
We get it... You can't afford an engine displacement over 1000cc because of taxes