OFF-ROAD GENERAL

>>14646071
Thoughts on the suzuki samurai? Can get them for pretty cheap and I was thinking about adding a true beater to my line-up. Cars you don't give a shit about fucking up are the best cars.

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About to buy an xterra tomorrow. Looking forward to having a real 4x4. My IS300 will finally quit being abused on dirt roads it has no business on.

>>14646093
>suzuki samurai
Wait a second-.
>don't give a shit about fucking up
Oh ok.

>>14646136
What year? Xterra wouldn't be my choice but its a decent offroader.

>>14646151
2008. For the mileage and cost it's the best option. A 4Runner would be my preference but the prices are out of control. I like FJs but an Xterra is roomy enough to sleep in back of for cold nights.

Xterras seem to be reliable except for the timing chain tensioner and SMOD issue. Getting a six speed to avoid spending 7k on a new tranny.

>>14646172
the 4runner is definitely better but im with you the resale value on them is absolutely retarded. 08 seems like a pretty good year and xterras are fairly reliable. any mod plans?

>>14646315
Probably a fresh set of tires as big as I can fit. Melt the wheel wells out of the way. Winch bumper and maybe some lights eventually. Maybe some wheels. Nothing too wild. I live in Utah so not having a 4x4 is seriously limiting.

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>>14646315
For the same year and mileage a 4Runner is close to double in price.

>>14646339
just saying bigger tires are not always better. you need travel.

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Love the Gen 1 Pajero

>>14646093
Samurai are like 5k around here. Why not just get a 16V Sidekick/Tracker for 2k? More power, newer, and still basically the same thing.

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>>14646071
Lexus is best 4x4.

>>14646789

looks sick, m8. Although I would be driving that like iggy pop when he thought he was a jug of orange juice.

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>tfw no patrol
nissan pls america wants them too

>>14648397
>america wants them too
they dont though. nissan made a smart decision not offering them here. the sales would be low as shit.

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Heading back to the desert in a couple of weeks!

>>14648397
America gets the Y62 now

>>14648498
BUT ITS JUST NOT THE SAME MAN

>>14646172
You'll love the 6sp, it's great.

>>14647178
Until the ahc shits the bed and you get raped on repair costs.

>>14648498
Is it the diesel version?

>>14648397
Whats that black pipe is that a diesel exhaust?

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>>14646071

>>14649447
Are you serious??
It's a snorkel for the air box

>>14650852
Oh I get it for like off roading through the ocean and stuff.

Yeah I saw a jeep with one once and I was like whhhat jeeps dont come in diesel. Thanks for clearing that up.

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It's there somewhere.

>>14650877
Well not exactly the ocean. But it raises the cars wading depth buy a huge amount. Car will float away before the engine floods. Also helps with dust and sand.
Also they're not only for diesel, any car can have a snorkel

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>>14646071
the road is for faggots
>mfw that 4x4 life

>>14646071
>>14646789
>>14647178
>>14648397
i like these.

>>14649425
it wont it not made by britain! really the only reliability issue on these things is the dash indicator light for the center diff lock button. my uncle owns one and does not maintain it at all, drives it rough as shit, and it sounds like it has only 20k when it has 400k!

>>14649425
>repair costs
>not just throwing normal shocks and springs under it for ~$500

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My hot lady Denise

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My shitbox

>>14653030
>square tubing
come on
>naming your truck
straight up faggot

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>>14647178
'no'

>>14653140
How many brake calipers have you replaced again?

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My new 4runner. I'll be selling my old 91 Explorer 4x4 as soon as I can get it prom ready.

>>14653279
Is that a 2nd Gen. Yeah fuck that 3.0 junk V6. Fucking headgasket eating mother fucker. Worst than my disco 2

>>14653050
that thats 4x4 right?

>>14653381
Why?

What do you guys think of Broncos? There's a '94 on CL here with 140k miles, they're asking $3k.

>>14653381
It's not, and I'm a faggot.

>>14653140
>comparing that piece of shit to a 100 series
nigger pls the lc is well regarded as one of the greatest offroaders of all time

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>>14648482
And another . . .

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Should I put superfluous off-road rice on this shit?

>>14648904

3rd gen 4Runner guy here, I had the biggest shit eating grin on my face when I test drove a 6spd pro 4X Xterra this fall. Dat short shift. Dem torques.

The suspension setup left me cold, I can't believe how soft the setup is in the rear, I can see why many people immediately add a leaf or two to right that wrong. Cargo space is also unfortunately a bit less than what I've become used to. But I still lust after a low mile used Pro-4X. Their poor resale makes them a total bargain compared to 5th gen 4Runners, which may as well be a different class of vehicle at this point in terms of size/cost.

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my 3rd gen a few weeks ago down in Brown Co. Indiana. Mostly just super tame graded gravel with a few minor washouts that a 2wd truck or crossover would walk right over, but I've been discovering a few unmaintained sections that get nice and muddy in the spring. Thunderstorms also lead to some pretty interesting situations with flash flooding:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTneGPG2ZrM

Looking forward to going back to some of the newly discovered spots with a few buddies of mine (2 3rd gen 4Runners, and a 2.5gen Motnero)

I'm super jealous of you guys out West/Southwest, we simply don't have that kind of wilderness and number of remote trails, or that kind of scenery for that matter.

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>>14657937
Terre Haute fag here. Brown Co. is so damn nice, though. The Hoosier National Forest is fantastic. I would recommend you check out some of the DNR's trail guides.

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>be my wrangler.
>GF's wrangler is way more built than mine.
>feel cucked.

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Before we installed a new crawler concepts bumper because she was fed up with the stinger. I also believe this was before we replaced the China brand lightbar with a GG. Same with the pods.

>>14658911
>having a gf who's into cars
enjoy walking in on her and a pack of niggers taking turns spitroasting her

>>14658921
She hates niggers, it's great. She would be very sympathetic with /pol/

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beep beep im not a jeep

>>14655032
looks like a blast man. really jealous i dont have that kind of terrain near me.

>>14656821
>Should I put superfluous off-road rice on this shit?
of course
where do you think you are faggot

Have a quick sort of related question. I have a 2000 TJ and just found out the shocks are worn out and the coil springs are starting to sag.

Replacement stock springs and shocks will cost me around 800$ CAD, but I was looking around and found a complete kit from OME that will give me a 2 inch raise for around 940$ USD (about 1250$ CAD atm).

So I was wondering if i should just save for a bit more for the kit or just get stock stuff.

I wasn't really planning on doing a lift. Not a huge fan of the look but I could probably handle 2".

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Have a 1.8 L EA-81 and matching dual range transfer that I'm planning on putting in next month. Does pretty well right now but I'm toying with the idea of a lift.

>>14658911
>having a wrangler
You were always a cuck

>>14658990
You really didn't need to type that, we can tell by the fact that you only mall crawl.

>>14658911
>That flex pose

Ok, I laughed a little bit, thanks.

Also, the stock tires are trash. Get better tires before investing in anything else.

>>14657937
I'm also a hoosier. Go to Attica at badlands ORV park. One of the best in the nation with an assortment of terrain.
Or go to Haspin acres if you don't mind sharing the trails with drunks and ATVs.

>>14658921
You have a very sad and bleak outlook on life, and are probably very inexperienced with women as well.
But look on the bright side, you could end it all simply by slicing your wrists with all that edge.

>>14659040
That OME lift is a very good one. Most people add a 1" body lift to it and run 33s on TJs.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLVVOoUSwdk

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>>14660542
>ever

>>14650877

jeeps come in diesel

>>14660553
>meme

>>14659464
>>14660814
>cuck
>meme
People that actually work on shit, that wheel shit, and know shit, don't use these words.

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>>14659019
Thanks man. It's amazing terrain and the XJ has been the perfect combo of enough space for passengers and gear, but short enough wheelbase and size to go where other 4WD's have problems.
4.5 inches on 31" has been great, but currently upgrading to a long-arm suspension up front, ARB lockers front and back, and re-gearing for 33". At that point I will consider it done. New additional build will be ready for the next trip to the desert on the 30th for 10 days of exploring!

>>14659869
Eh, the SR-As are fine for what I do. If I want to do anything gnarly, I just get in the GF's rig. I mainly do trails and light obstacles, which I really haven't had that much of an issue with.

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Alright boys lets hit the trails.

>>14661055

You and me, we're the same.

THE SAME, ANON.

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>>14661309
LOL!
Come along ANON, you're welcome to the party!
When you get stuck, I'll just attach a recovery strap and drag you out!

>>14662986
Aren't you a little young to be driving? And short too.

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>>14646071
Working on the XJ as we speak. Fender trimming tonight.

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>>14664144
My son. I've been letting him drive the Jeep since he was 7. He just turned 9.
Here he is on his motorcycle . . . age 6.
Same area where we often 4wheel.
Off-road ON ANON!

>>14664532
Yeah.... I was just making a joke. Shame your son will have to live life without a sense of humor.

>>14664753
auto/manual doesn't have anything to do with how capable a truck is. This is coming from a manual off-roader, an auto would actually probably be easier to drive for me, but I'm more into rock crawling.

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>>14657898
The 6 speed is sweet. I haven't had a manual since my Acura Integra got stolen. I was used to the 5 speed in that and now I have to remind myself to shift into that final gear on the freeway.

I'm not used to driving a short wheelbase SUV for sure. It doesn't feel really planted compared to a longbed truck and more squishy than my IS300 (surprise!). It's sweet as hell when I hit all the potholes and divots I'm used ot swerving around and barely notice them though. Lotta tire meat to absorb that impact.

>>14662986
>>14664532
10/10 would bang

>>14664753

i drove military humvees and they're all automatics.
Nothing wrong with an automatic offroader. Tbh a tiptronic is probably best for offroading. It gets out of ruts as good as any manual.

>>14660814
Claiming a genuine criticism is a "meme" doesn't make the criticism any less genuine. Good lick with those 10 splines m8.

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>>14666586
>lick
lol

>>14666586
Have been for the past 3 years

>>14667394
>babbied for the past 3 years
Cool story bro

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Went to some local light-medium trails the last two days with some buddies. We had tons of fun. didn't get many pictures, but I thought this one was pretty cool looking.
I just got the jeep not long ago, but I plan on doing all the typical upgrades over summer when I can make more money, and I've already got the lift in the mail. My buddy's rigis a suzuki xl7, and even with bald street tires and moderately low clearance, had almost no issue going where some of the other lifted yotas and wranglers went

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>>14668824

My bro has an XL7 with Cooper AT3s and manual hubs, stock aside from that. It continues to impress me every time we take it out. My 3g 4Runner has a ton more clearance, better articulation, and a locking rear diff but if I'm honest for the medium/lighter trails it makes no difference, and his XL7 can eke out like 25mpg and is a much more stable vehicle on the road.

>>14669207
Oh yeah dude, what year is his? I think my buddy's is a 06. I've really been looking into early 00's grand vitaras and such, they really are over looked here in the states

>>14668804
Yeah, sure

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>>14669224

His is an '02. It's treated him okay, he recently had to replace the timing chain guides/tensioner on his 2.7Lv6, a brutal 10 hr job that would have cost a fortune if he wasn't a mechanic himself and doing his own work. Aside from that it's been a front wheel bearing, and some annoying issue with balancing the driveshaft. It uses a CV joint instead of a u joint so it's basically impossible to rebuild the way you normally would.

I agree, they're a great budget platform and their small size and low cost actually makes them more fun that some overbuilt expensive monster.

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>>14669537

I should mention, his 25mpg is almost solely a function of it being a 5spd. This also makes it pretty darn fun to drive (as a stick shift generally does).

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Where does /off/ wheel?
I usually go to hollister hills or hungry valley when I'm in So-Cal.

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>>14664151
Got one done, and painted. Job is really getting in the way of having fun.

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Oceans dunes SVRA

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After I installed my Korea LED spot/flood combo

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>>14668824
>>14669207
The Suzukis have always been surprisingly good. Shame they're the only who still makes a serious contender in the small SUV segment, but even then, the new Vitara has turned into a FWD based crossover.

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the new gay version...

>>14671267
bl on your car bro.

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Since this seems to be an appropriate thread, I'll post here.

I'm trying to learn to tackle off-roading in 4L with my vehicle, which has a manual transmission. I don't have a stupid low crawl ratio as many others do, but there are situations when leaving it in 1st gear is still too fast.

So how do I tackle these situations without riding the clutch? If it's fully engaged, I lose fine control, but leaving it partially engaged will fuck it up. I don't think I need to spend beaucoup bucks for regearing just to crawl slower without burning the clutch.

>>14672128
Just curious, any idea what your low range reduction is?

>>14672133
2.72:1
But I don't think upgrading the transfer case would be any cheaper than re-gearing the axles

>>14672249
That should more than short enough to crawl most things with the clutch fully engaged. I find simply idling up to what ever I'm trying to traverse and loading up the throttle as needed without exceeding 1000rpm never has me feeling as though I'm going too fast.
I'd say just keep practicing and get some more experience under belt :)

>>14672128
>So how do I tackle these situations without riding the clutch?
By not driving through shit your car is not suited to. Choose your path more carefully.

>>14672249
This is pretty low. Although I can see it being a problem if your engine cannot into torque at low rpms.

I'm putting an LS in my toyota pickup and need some full size axles because the transfer cases on these 4L60e transmissions are all driver side drop and all the yota axles are passenger side drop, what's a good/cheap/abundant set of axles I can get that will work fur this?
If I can't find anything too cheap I'm just gonna say fuck it and turn it into a 2WD truck and the front axle will just be dead weight.

>>14672409
Why not utilise the factory Hilux transfer with an adapter to bolt up the 4L60?

>>14672409
>cont
http://www.marks4wd.com/engine-conversions/transfer-case-adaptors/toyota/4runner-hilux-surf.html
This is from an Ausfaggot website, but you get the idea.
Saves a hell of a lot of re-engineering and alignment issues.

Adapter either doesn't exist or is expensive as all fucking hell.
I think I found one fur like 700 dollars or something when I looked, I can get beast full size axles fur that much desu.
Also, LS is about 350hp vs the stock 22r which is around 90, shit will probably explode.

>>14672451
>everything is over a grand
lol not even gonna bother trying to use the stock toyota stuff, there's no reason to keep it.

>>14672455
was for
>>14672446

>>14672455
Just a suggestion, but you're quickly going to find re-engineering the whole drivetrain is going to be a damn sight more expensive than the initial purchase prices you're mentioning, and I'll wager you're going to suffer your fair share of trial and error failures.

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>>14672475
I have a grinder and a welder and hella time, I'm not really worried about it desu.
I can make shit fit.
I'm not scared to rip out everything toyota either, I'm not a purist like that I don't give a flying fuck if it's not a true toyota lol.
I just want it to be beast.

>>14672484
Don't really care about purism either.
Good luck to you, but I think you're severely underestimating how involving and precise drivetrain conversions are.
Keep that tripfaggot Burbalade in mind, and his SAF conversion that so far has taken 5 years with yet no result.

>>14672507
might just say fuck it and go 2wd but it would feel super gay to have a 2wd 4x4 toyota pickup with that front axle being dead weight, just don't know what to do yet.
:/

>>14672519
I'm still sure you can find a US local built transfer adapter kit for a better price.
8" Yota axles can be (and often are) built to cope with SBC conversions, so I don't see why an LSx wouldn't work. And while adding to cost of the project, it'll be a damn sight easier, cheaper and and trouble free over all getting it back on the road while removing the guess work.
Just google all the V8 powered Hiluxs, 4Runners and pick-ups and see how they've been setup. It's been done many times before.

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low budget college /out/fag here. what's good, everyone?

>>14671246
I'm going to a wedding in Camarillo and driving from Santa Cruz. I was thinking about hitting it up. What are the rules about the whip and flag?

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Laundry list of mods

7.3 powerstroke, 5 speed, dana 60 front axle

>>14672592
Jeeps. Jeeps are good. Fairly broke myself, working on a budget XJ build right meow.

>>14673121
Any pics that aren't glamour poses on the side of the road? Or is that just a mall crawling brodozer?

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>>14673297

Yea man I mud it, and had plenty of trail time

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>>14673297

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>>14673297
Put a jeep seat in the front hitch and ratchet strapped some people to it

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Selling the heep for $10k guise ;_;

>>14664532
Ur sons so cute that I would spit on his asshole before I penetrated him to make it less painful for him

>>14674241
Rip in pieces. What's going to be your next car/dd then?

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>>14674339
the volt he bought a month ago

>>14674241
no one is going to pay 10k
:^)

>>14674339

LSx Volvo Wagon (Someday). I still have my Volt and Camaro to drive.

>>14674145
>>14674156
>>14674170
Nice. Good to see some 4x4s actually getting used.

>>14674447
muh dick.

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>>14674241
What's the point in selling it if it upsets you?

And why the fuck does every xj owner leave those rear bumper cap brackets attached? I just drilled out the rivets and took it off. Ended up trimming the bracket and the bumper cap then putting them back on to make the corners look nice.

Also, got the other side done and painted. Now on to cut and fold the rears.

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>>14674994

I was waiting on armor plates to go over them when I took that pic, pic related.

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>>14673115
I didn't really have one. It just depends on the park ranger. Previous visits I put one on. $5 cheap insurance.

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>>14671313
BL...huh? 95k miles and no issues whatsoever. You just have to stay on top of it. Overall a fun rig.

>>14675085
straya

>>14675085
Do you live in Jaban to have an upside down pic?

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>>14674241
10k eh?

>>14675068
What rear bumper/tire carrier is that on your XJ.
Is it rock stable or does the spare tire waggle a bit?

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>>14675068
I see. But all the ones I see around here, and there are a LOT, they all just have the bracket.

An update on my progress. Took the final bumper cap off to start the rear trimming. Found pic related underneath. Pretty fucking surprising, and bullshit, because the rest of the Jeep is completely rust free. So the project is on hold until I can weld in new sheet metal. That's the right rear rocker btw.

>>14675146

$10k, I wouldn't pay that much but there's plenty of suckers in Colorado and it a pretty bitchin XJ.

>>14675302

JCR makes it, it's called the adventure tire carrier and the bumper is called vanguard. Rock solid after two and a half years. Pricy though.

>>14676045
Nice. Don't see many modded ZJs around. That yours?

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>>14659119

do it mang

Renault twingo is best offroad vehicle.

>>14671300

Since they brought this out its been pretty much done with the jap small SUV's. Everything has gone soft roader. Thank Nissan for starting that trend.

>take pathfinder, a medium sized, easy to maintain, capable off-road vehicle
>turn it into smaller, fwd, mom car that you can get stuck on dry Tarmac as it lifts 2 wheels in the air with the slightest undulation.

It's only when you go larger or smaller that you start getting good stuff again but even then you are running out of options.

>>14678241
>running out of options

No. There are literally MILLIONS of wranglers, land cruisers, 4runners, and cherokees left in the world. You won't run out in your lifetime.

And buying new? The Tacoma is still there. Or gay shit like the renegade.

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best expedition vehicle? my vote goes to the land cruiser.
>large enough to handle several people + all the gear you would need
>easily one of the most capable offroaders of all time
>insane reliability
>fairly easy to work on

sup, Im looking to get me an used 3 door 4x4, with probably over 10 years of use since I cant spend a lot. Im looking some Monteros since I really like that car. Can I expect my moneys worth for them? any other models to look up you guys would recommend?

>>14646071
I was in a 46" lc 80 today lads

>>14678499
Patrol tho

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>>14678623
what gen?

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>>14680792
I was about here

>>14680752
>>14680792
damn thats fucking awesome
what kind of suspension were they running
i wonder what kind of funds it takes to get it to that level.
i have about $5k in mine so far already

>>14681454
Didn't ask him much about the suspension but the thing is worth about the equivalent of 50k usd

I'll try to answer any question you people have

>>14678623

cant really go wrong with a 12x dakar rally champion

>>14683245
this is about as much as im planning to do for a bit. tfw getting first truck 2wd tacoma
not a prerunner locking diff a good investment or should i save that and get 4x4 later on?

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>>14678499
sobol 4x4

>a fucking minivan with off-road capabilities of a land cruiser

>>14647178
>ifs

Top kek.

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>>14678499
>>14680761
*Old* Land Cruiser and *old* Patrol.

J200 and Y62 are bloated 3-ton land yachts, and IIRC the Y62 Patrol has body and suspension that's built more like a Juke than like the old Patrol.

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>>14672592
Hey /o/, what is the proper way to go about turning my Cherokee into an "Overland" mobile? Pic related

>tfw can't afford a sexy Defender

>>14684580
Fuckin yuck. When will designers stop turning capable 4x4's into soccer mum grocery getters?

>>14684732
Unless you're ISIS or Russian, you don't need a 4x4.

>>14684580
Thought about this and the lc70 is probably the best modern vehicle for off roading

What are your thoughts on a 99' pathfinder? I'm getting one within the next few months and I am wonder if they are any good for off roading. I've heard that they can be quite capable, but I'm more concerned with the costs of modifying the vehicle.

If I wanted to go wheelin with my friends in their 4x4's, but I'm only RWD, and one has a winch, should I be fine if I don't get too reckless, or should I not even bother?
anything I could do to make it more viable? mean tires on the back? it's a stick shift, is that better or worse for off road?

>>14686859
R50 pathfinder is worse for off-roading than both the original one and the later R51, it's got no frame, has a weaker suspension and is sometimes RWD only. And no diesel engines in the US, though that is a common problem. It's also harder to lift and mount protection and winches on. It's by no means bad, but if you want a base for a seriously riced off-roader, there are better options (e.g. gen2 montero)

>>14684770
why Russian?

>>14687039
Just stick to less extreme paths. Mud tires can help, on the front as well since that'll prevent the car from slipping, but that depends on terrain. Get one of your friends with a switchable transmission to drive in RWD mode in front of you, this way you'll know in advance whether something is impassable without AWD.

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>>14687331
I don't have a choice with this vehicle sadly. Being given to me by a family member, but I do know that it is 4wd. I didn't know about any of these issues so thank you. I'm not going for too riced out, but enough to where I won't have any issues with deep snow and mud, considering the area I go with friends gets snow in the winter and will have at least a foot and a half of it until late April, and then after that will turn to equal amounts of mud with any amount of rain.

>>14684341
and the tipping capability of a plastic cup
get that piece of shit out of my thread

>>14686859
The #1 thing is to watch out for rust, these things are horrid as far as corrosion protection goes. There was a recall for rear trailing arms rusting off and/or front struts punching through sheetmetal IIRC.


>>14687331
I'd take an R50 over an R51 any day. better articulation in the rear with the solid rear axle, more compact and less weight, better angles.

>>14684678

I think the big things are having a rear leaf spring pack that is rated to hold a decent amount of weight without bottoming out offroad. besides that, the XJ's only failing is perhaps a lack of interior space for cargo/people, but I'd say you could make it work. Put a skidplate or two on it if it doesn't already have some, and get some recovery gear. Forget about huge tires, what you've got on there looks like plenty.

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>>14683245

ma nigga

>>14688369
>Camping alone with two chairs

God damn, anon..... That's some serious loneliness.

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>>14688392

Haha I was there with my fiance and dog.

>>14688405
Thanks for ruining my fantasy where there were people as lonely as me. Couldn't you just pretend I was right?

>>14688369
>no rtt
2/10
jk looks cozy rtt's are better in every way tho

>>14689196

Except for the whole costing a fortune and sucking up mpg factor lol. That's a $60 Coleman right there, been working just fine. I think some overlanding people spend too much time jerking off to gear and truck modifications, just my opinion

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>>14688326
>get some recovery gear
Yea, haha, I learned that the hard way on Saturday. I'm putting on my new bumpers this week then getting a winch next pay check.

Ever use any MaxTrax? I'm thinking about copping some before I head out west this summer.

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What's the cheapest off road capable truck you can buy?

>>14653030
35's or 37's?

>>14646071
Can you guys help someone who's new to the world of offroading?

I live in australia and want something for aussie conditions, but i've never owned a 4x4, just sports cars.

I don't want a bitchmode SUV like all the soccer moms drive that they never take offroad though.

What's something that's decent on road and amazing offroad?

Been taking a look at nissan patrols recently.

sup bois.

i have only ever owned a cherokee. i just love them so much. but i have recently been thinking about getting an old Toyota lifting it and putting a flat bed on it. thoughts?

I have zero experience with Toyotas are they shitty to work on? and what should i look for when i am buying one?

>>14680821
Why use a pencil on MS Paint? Why not use the circle tool, pleb? It's much cleaner.

>>14689522

cruisers and pajeros are pretty solid.

>>14689416

i bought my 1943 chevy coe with 4x4 for $4000 and invested some $3000 into it over the years. Runs like a charm. Only cons are no aircon, no turn signals, no high beams.

>>14690711
>no turn signals

Why? These are simple to rig if you aren't concerned with keeping it 100% authentic.

>>14690810

honestly i cant be fucked to install them. It's a big truck so I just turn when I turn.

>>14690949
That typically goes swell until you encounter a bigger truck.

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>>14689335
got mine used for $600
although thats still not cheap so i kind of agree. the mpg factor is real tho
>mfw went from 11mpg to like 7

>>14689416
not a truck but the xj is probably the cheapest capable offroad vehicle
you can find runnings ones that will be relatively reliable for ~$1000
theyre fairly capable stock too

>>14689522
land cruiser
patrol
pajero
no real need to look at anything else. aus gets the worlds best offroad vehicles.

>>14689633
depends on which toyota but for the most part they are fairly easy to get used to.
flatbeds have their positives and negatives but personally i like them.