Your opinion of this car?

godmachine, best in class like everything Ford churns out nowadays

>>14512059
>performance vehicle
>latitudinally mounted engine

i dont think so

its a ferd

>>14512066
So an Evo isn't a performance vehicle then, right?

>>14512150
It's a hopped up shitbox.
Like the RS.
But at least it's not a $50,000 shitbox like the RS

>>14512066
>>14512160
bus lad please leave

>>14512168
Delusional lad plz leave

I'll have to drive one, but the steering on the St fucking sucks, no visibility, shit handling. I'd take a bubaru or VW golf r over the focus

>>14512179
You are the delusional one lad

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>>14512059
Looks like a cheap A45 AMG. Performs similarly, though I'm curious about "Drift" mode. It looks nice in those colours, though.

Will attract Ken Block fanboys and people jumping ship from the WRX STi.

>>14512059

Almost bought one, but went with the GT350 instead. I -might- buy it later, although I will likely end up with a Model S commuter car.

How many of these will turn up in your neighborhood with a fucking "HOONAGIN" sticker on it?
Take your bets now!
(But I am a little hyped for the car)

>>14512184
Agreed.
Hoping to try a Fiesta ST to see if it's any better.

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I'll take an rs3instead

>>14512326
>haldex
intothetrash.jpg

>Subaru hasn't been able to exceed 310hp for years
>Ford decides to enter the AWD hatch market
>350hp on the first try

>>14512404
>Blubaru btfo

>>14512404
Hopefully that changes with the new FA series. EJ engines were long overdue for the trash.

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>>14512404
pretty much this

i wanted a wrx hatch back in 2012 and was pissed to find out years later that the hatchback was discontinued

i wasn''t going to buy some used wrx with 100k+ miles hooned by some boy racer so i decided to get a cheapo FiST and wait for a nice AWD small hatch to come out again

RS will probably be my next car but i will wait a couple years for the issues to get refined and get everyone's opinion of it

>>14512059
costs 10 thousand dollars more than an ecoboost mustang. I just don't see 10 thousand dollars of value in it.

Why anyone would get this over a mustang GT is beyond me.

>>14512787
>AWD
>practical
>4 cyl fuel efficiency

They don't really overlap

>>14512446
I'm doing precisely the same thing. My s2000 was on its last legs at 220k odo, but I couldn't afford to keep the s2000 while waiting for the RS. I sold the S and purchased a new fiesta st last year. I'll be holding it until the markup drops a year or two from now.

Insider info from a ford family member, the RS is being up sold by over 10k in some places and they're actually still getting preorders at that number. I absolutely love my fiesta at though, most of my friends don't approve of the trade, but then I give them a ride through Palomar and they change their tunes pretty quick after nearly shitting my passenger seat.

>>14512446
Lets hope they're still making the RS in a couple of years and it isn't just a limited run.

>>14512059
Ugly

>>14512991
Only reason I'd rather take an Evo/Scoobydoo desu

Ford can't make a good looking front fascia to save their lives

>>14512059
>hatchback
into the thrash it goes

One of the worst front ends on a car imo, looks disgusting

>>14513122
Got a lisp there buddy?

>>14512059
Based on the reliability of the current line-up of Ford Turbos like the FiST it's going to be an absolute money pit.

>>14512059
>drift mode
>le ken block generation is fapping like mad

>>14513360
>>drift mode
Warrantee void.

For the money it destroys the competition. The Golf R, WRX STI and Civic Type R are the closest rivals. The Civic is FWD, the Golf is too slow and the Subaru isn't as practical or fuel efficient. It will also destroy them all in a race. The A45 and RS3 are 33% more so aren't conpetition.

>>14512168
>implying a transverse engine setup has any performance merits compared to a longitudinal setup

>>14512222
If they'd just make a Fiesta RS, that'd be great. Use the Focus ST's engine, it'd be awesome, possibly a better drivers car than the Focus RS.

>>14515725
They wanted to bring a Fiesta RS with a performance boosted 1.6L ecoboost (about 250hp in overboost) and FWD but I guess they stopped the project.

Vastly overpriced for what it delivers.

Retards and tourists from Jalopnik will continue to shill for it, despite the fact that for that kind of money, you should just blow a little more and get an M2 or a Cayman or another actual performance vehicle, rather than a shitbox Focus.

It's laughable that Ford fanboys say that it blows WRXs and GTIs out of the water, considering that out the door, it's going to cost fifteen to twenty thousand dollars more, depending on dealer markup.

I guess if Ford can trick some people into dropping damn near 50 grand on a transversely mounted 4 cylinder with an electronic center diff that "totally isn't Haldex" and the interior of, well, a Focus, then more power to them.

>>14515975
M2 $20,000 more expensive according to google
>blow a little more

>>14516064

M2 is $52,695 as per Google.

Focus RS with the blue paint that the shills adore, with even a few options that still put it well below the M2's setup, gets it to $40,255. Then tack on the dealer markup of $5000, as per several sources including the owners club (http://www.focusrsclub.com/forum/209-purchasing-ordering/2162-markup-thread.html), and you're looking at a difference of about seven grand. But hey, if you wanna pay 85% of the M2's sticker to end up with a Focus, that's your prerogative.

I'd rather go the extra inch and get a far superior vehicle in the M2, myself.

Thought they would use Haldex but chose GKN, I am intrigued

>>14512446
>but i will wait a couple years for the issues to get refined
By ford themselves? There won't be a second run, they're making 4000 cars and they have all already been sold. A couple of years for a car like this won't really uncover anything huge considering how little they will be driven anually

>>14515975
>Retards and tourists from Jalopnik will continue to shill for it
>car gets good reviews
>OMG ILLUMINATI SHILLING FOR FORD

maybe it actually is a good car? did you ever consider that the reason for a lot of good reviews?

>>14517047
Haldex was the original plan IIRC, or at least it was rumoured early on

>>14515780
That would be tits

>>14517070
Inconceivable!

>>14515780
>>14517078
Mountune FiST

>>14517094
There are tuning companies around that will give better results than the standard mountune, but mountune is the only one that doesn't void the warranty

>>14512837
A fucking fiesta? Are you joking? That was the first car I looked at for my first car. Its a joke. A shitty computer in a shittier shitbox. Im so glad I found a 2012 impala with only 30k miles.

>>14517167
>xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

>>14517070

Sure, it's a fine car. Just not for the money.

>>14512059

Fords are really suffering from the Peugeot Face now, aren't they?

>>14517217
No

>>14517221

I was gonna prove you wrong by uploading the Peugeot 308 and 207 but I was wrong, they aren't suffering from the Peugeot Face.

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>>14517241

It's actually WORSE

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>>14512059
i love light blue.

dont have anything else to say about it.

>>14517250
Check out french racing blue

Motor trend needs to get a hold of one already so we can bench race

>>14512059
overpriced

>>14517255
thats pretty sweet.

i like the laguna seca blue that BMW does too.

>>14515975
M2 and Cayman are clearly out of the RS's league. True competition would be the Mustang GT and the new Camaro. Right in the price range, bigger horsepower, actual RWD bias.

>>14512194
i drive my gallardo in the winter. i -might- get the st for my daily but i will probably end up with a bmw i8

>>14517167
The Fiesta ST is something like my 6th or seventh car, I've lost track in the last 20 years. If you legit were looking at a Fiesta ST as a first car, the nicest thing I could say would be nothing and then snicker under my breath. No new driver could handle the clutch in that without burning it to shit in the first 5k.

I stand by it being just as fun as the s2000, just in a different fashion. Definitely was a good interim car to spend on while I wait for RS life that may never happen lol

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>>14517296
RS with decent options is 40k before any dealer markup bullshit. Personally, the 12-15k extra that a M2 or lightly used Cayman S will cost is definitely worth the better interior, fit and finish, and performance. Not to mention I really don't need 4 doors.

I was pretty hyped for the focus RS but that's sort of faded over time. The interior is pretty much the big sticking point for me right now. I know it's sort of a trademark for hot hatches to be like that but it doesn't change the fact that 95% of the interior is carried over from a 14k base model. 52-55k for a M2 is really stretching my budget but I'm of a mind to just yolo and do it sometime in the fall.

>>14513349
>citation needed

>>14520153
Get a 435i instead? How do you like those? I think they're a nice compromise right in the middle of this price range

Is the 3 cylinder turbo fiesta SE worth getting over the focus SE with the same engine?

Am I just wasting my time, and should just get an ST of one of those?
I'm just looking for a turbo car to get me to work everyday, until I can afford me a good car. I'll be getting them near $3,000 off for an ST, 2k for an SE.

>>14517058
They already said 'The cars will be available to those who want them.'
They aren't making enough of them to have them sitting around in each available color at dealerships, but they aren't doing a limited run either.

>>14512059
pigfat as fuck

>>14512338
guess you would also trash an Aventador, then.

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Already put down an order.
Delivery time is a bitch though... Estimate is mid '17

>>14520673
Get the ST or don't bother. Its far more car, much more fun too.

>>14512338
Lel
And what do you think ford's awd is?

>>14520911
The RS uses GKN

>>14520919
Still transverse FWD-based. How is GKN any better than Haldex?

> fwd biased awd

> but anon it has stuff that lets it into torque for the rear wheels for that noice 50% split

> still running fwd until the computer decides the rear wheels need it.

>>14520943
I was just pointing out that ots not Haldex like you implied. Im not the person you responded to

>>14520946
So you're basically getting cucked by a computer? Damn.

>>14520952
I'm not the person YOU replied to either. Just wanna know how GKN is any better than Haldex or any other transverse FWD-based AWD system.

>>14520955
I dont know

>>14520953

basically everything that isnt subaru is CUCk WHEEL DRIVE

> also I'm not that into subaru, had an 06 wrx, it as meh

>>14512059
The Focus is a great car. I'm sure slapping performance stuff onto it would make it a great car that's also fast.

>>14521037
Oh gawd I wonder how many people will fuck this car up! Stay stock, stay worry free + get more money from it when you're through.

Take $18K shitbox
Add $5K drivetrain, engine
Add $2K interior
Paint it unique color
Charge $38K.
Dealer adds $10K because "we can"
$50K shitbox some kiddie talks dad into buying

Car is worth $15K in 5 years.

>>14522148
>
Land of the free
Dealer markup
AHAHAHA
smells like 3rd world country

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>>14512059
>Jesus Christ how horrifying

>>14512059
Is that a Roush

>>14512466
>Buying the ecoboost version
>350 hp
>4x4
>Drift mode
>Not wanting it as a daily
Are you actually serious?

>$35.900 MSRP

Way too expensive for what it is.

>>14527119
Funny because Subaru and Mitsubishi have been selling worse/slower cars at that same price point for years successfully

>>14528871
Yes. And it's been so successful for Mitsubishi that they're no longer going to produce the Evo. The truth of the matter is that that your Evos, STIs, WRXes, Type-Rs and the like are loss leaders for their respective companies.

>>14528968

>And it's been so successful for Mitsubishi that they're no longer going to produce the Evo.
The probelm with Mitsubishi is that their models are so shit they can no longer financially justify a halo model.

>The truth of the matter is that that your Evos, STIs, WRXes, Type-Rs and the like are loss leaders for their respective companies.
These cars are not meant to make tons of money on their own. Commuter cars and overpriced luxury cars make profit.

These halo models are meant to generate brand interest which in turn brings people into dealerships and sells lower tier models.

>>14527119
Hell, thats if your lucky enough to even get it at that fucking price, dealerships around here are tacking on an extra 8k before any options because "muh limited run" and an extra 4k because "muh heavily sought after"

>>14529005
>not knowing how to negotiate
>not ignoring whatever bullshit they put on the sticker and talking them down to at least MSRP

Who cares what shit they try to tack on the sticker, that is literally never what you pay unless you're a retard.

>>14528982
Thank you for illustrating my points.

>>14529317
Your points that these cars are overpriced and have no use.

The reality is that they generate brand interest which DOES generate revenue.

There's a reason manufacturers like Toyota are seen as such boring manufacturers, they completely gave up on halo models and produced nothing but appliances.

Manufacturers like Subaru have made models like the STI for a decade now and people see Subaru as an exciting manufacturer, even if the vast majority of the cars they sell are nonturbo Imprezas and Legacys.

Your argument that these type of cars are overpriced and possibly useless is flatly wrong. They are priced low enough that they will sell enough to justify their existence (albeit not super profitable like a shitbox would be) AND they will bring people into dealerships and generate excitement for the brand they fall under (which bolsters shitbox sales).

>>14529345
>Your points that these cars are overpriced and have no use.
I didn't say they had no use. I said they were loss leaders. You've defined what a loss leader is not once, but now twice.

Now, before you come back and say, "But a loss leader is a product priced too low to be profitable in order to raise interest in more profitable products," understand that this is only one loss leader strategy.

Another strategy (and it's still a loss leader strategy), as it pertains to the aforementioned vehicles, is to offer a high-end product in order to build prestige and to attract customers to a company's less expensive but more profitable products.

http://www.fromtexttospeech.com/output/0836528001456463080/10860764.mp3

>>14512066
>NSX, Lancer Evos, VR-4 3000GT, Miura, MR2, Fiero

>>14512059
One of the most uncomfortable cars I have ever had the displeasure of sitting in

I'd rather buy a Mustang GT

>>14513349
the only money you need to put into the FiST is all season/winter tires if you get the summer tires stock.

>>14515780
because with an accessport, a RMM and a FMIC upgrade you can diy for a grand

>>14517217
it's more of an aston face

>>14520673
drive em both and find out. I'd go for the focus over fiesta for a daily, but opposite if you're going ST

>>14524256
blastoise?