>makes an extra 40hp with just a CAI, catback, and a tune

>>14449471
tuners just advance timings or fuck with compression, a tune will work if theres enough knowledge behind it

I'd wager you're a stupid faggot who can't into the superiority of forced induction.

>>14449471
is it that bad to have a civic

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>>14449483
>electronic tune fucks with compression

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>>14449518
Sounds about right for the knowledge level of the average "tuner." My other favorite is

>just get a bolt on turbo kit
>these engines LOVE turbos
>it's 12.5:1

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>>14449537
Is that a fucking scissor jack

hey its the guy who thinks its impossible to turbo an engine because of an arbitrary compression ratio

>>14449471
>believes this video
it's satire you autist.

>>14449603
Everybody knows its satire, but it's a good visual.

>>14449607
OP clearly doesn't. hell I bet OP vapes.

>>14449549
With a kid underneath as well by the looks of it. That guy should be shot

>>14449518
Remember, /o/ is filled with foolish children who can't even pump their own fuel let alone understand compression or ECM / PCM tuning.

>>14449586
Found the guy who doesn't like his pistons.

>>14449614

>I bet OP vapes
>OP specifically makes fun of mouth fedoras

>wow you don't understand bro it's satire
>OP is clearly using it for its satirical effect

I suggest you go to a psychologist and ask for the aspeger's test, my friend.

>>14449648
I suggest you go back to school and figure out the fuck is wrong with your writing style.

Was scrolling down and saw the word "vape" and I'm curious why all you auto faggots have vapes.

It's like you want to look cool SO bad but you're afraid to get real cancer. I've tried hundreds of these e-cigs from guys claiming "oh my god HURRP DERPSS 700MG OF NICOTINE BRO SO BUZZED" and taken 40+ drags without feeling a goddamn thing.

WHAT THE FUCK IS THE POINT

I'm not a tuner but here how I would tune it for an aftermarket bolt on turbo

Prob just use factory or close to factory ignition timing

run a 14.7:1 AFR for normal out of boost driving

If loading the engine I'd go 12.0:1 then as boost goes on get it richer and richer.

Based on cylinder head temps I'd run the engine run a bit rich to cool off and lean it out to STOIC for better MPG's.

But im a retard I'd prob blow the engine up.

>>14449654
Whoa, calm down there, sperglord

>>14449667
Real niggas dip snuff

>>14449667
you're a moron if you think that's why people vape

>>14449682
>dip
you mean niggers.

>>14449667
We make fun of people with vapes, not have them. Swagfags/stancefags have them. Also there's no way in hell they aren't bad for you, just give it a few decades for research subjects to appear.

>>14449622
seconding this

>>14449586
Yes anon, it's just an arbitrary number with no significance.
>>14449667
I switched to vaping a fortnight ago. Haven't smoked since, so it does what I wanted.
Not sure what you're expecting.

>>14449701
>it's just an arbitrary number with no significance
What is the significance of that specific ratio though?

>>14449721
I'm not sure what your point is. You'd want lower compression ratio with forced induction unless you're prepared to run race fuel everywhere.

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>>14449691

The stereotypical dipper is a white trash person.

That said, I don't live where there are niggers so maybe I'm wrong.

>>14449654

I just woke up and greentext doesn't make grammatical sense anyway. Pic related is you, just replace "typo" with "unspecified writing errors"

>>14449752
>can't spell
>and is a nigger
Why am I not surprised.

>>14449622
Logged in to say this

>>14449758

You have the reading comprehension of a 4th grader.

>I don't live where there are niggers
>LOL NIGGER

That's almost as bad as when you were projecting your autism onto everyone else earlier in the thread.

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>>14449768
>I don't live where there are niggers
You don't seem to understand, you ARE the nigger.

>>14449749
Yes it may do better with a lower compression ratio. But "HUUR XXX COMP RATIO MEANS U CANT TURBO!!1!" is plain retarded. What is the significance of the number? Why is not arbitrary? At which point is a compression ratio too high to take forced induction?
These are the questions I'm asking and the retarded tripfag OP can never answer them. He just stands by his baseless statements.

>>14449773

If you live in a place with no niggers, you can't be a nigger. The place itself is free of niggers, so you can't be one. It would make sense if the statement was "no niggers other than myself."

>smug anime face

Oh, now I see. You're actually autistic.

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>>14449778
You are trying awfully hard. Nobody said it wasn't possible to turbo a high CR engine, you could turbo anything, the only question is if it's smart/reasonable or not.

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>>14449799
It's okay nigger-san, no one is judging you.

>>14449682
>tfw went to school with redneck folk and had to watch them spit brown drool into water bottles all day

Dip is fucking gross, man.

>>14449778
The significance is that the manufacturers will have left you bugger all room to play with

>>14449810

>>>/r9k/
>>>/a/
>>>/minecraft/

Autistic hapa weeb go

>>14449778
It's the number of atmospheres the air fuel mixture is under just before the spark plug fires
If you have a high compression ratio then adding any additional air into the mixture will cause detonation of the fuel which is bery bad

>>14449471
>I'd wager maybe 1 in 100 "tunes" are an actual improvement over the factory one
You're an idiot.

Also AFR isn't the only thing that gets changed in a tune. Your babby is showing.

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>>14449825
>visiting other boards
you seem upset nigger-san.

>>14449837
>expecting heartbreaker to know anything
hes a minimum wage greasemonkey and had to buy custom prefabbed parts for his baby boomer mobile instead of drilling holes in what he already had

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>it's a heartbreaker shitposts but people still reply episode

/o/ is kindergarten

>>14449841

>desperately posting smug anime faces with one hand while you fap with the other, tears streaming down your face as you realize you will always be a virgin with autism
>"lol u mad nigger"
>haha i rely got him, mom, come look at this

kek

>>14449855
>british teeth in murica
is this legal?

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>>14449874
>sex
>pure nigger train of thought
how's that child support nigger-san?

>>14449837
He's just parroting dumb shit he read on /o/

I do it too sometimes

>>14449889

>Implying having sex is for niggers
>Complaining about people noting your virginity and NEET status after you attacked others for being "autistic" niggers

This is what weebs actually believe? I bet you unironically complain about "normalfags" invading your board despite only having been here for 2 years yourself.

>>14449916
>can't even into proper sentence structure
What's it like being a nigger on welfare?

>>14449471
Cant be fucked to check, but you mean LEAN. Not Rich.

Unless its turbo, then OK rich makes sense. But you just said CAI and its a honda. So you mean LEAN

>>14449682
You're the s10 kid aren't you

>>14449925

Point out the errors, using proper terminology.

You can't because you're an unemployed NEET with no education. You're not even white and you will always be a virgin. Nobody loves you and you're going to die alone.

>>14449925
stop

>>14449835
C/R is cylinder volume at BDC/clyinder volume at TDC. High C/R means more power because the more the air/fuel mixture is compressed, the more energy that mixture contains, and the more time it has to exert force on the piston. However, compressing a gas makes it heat up, which is why if you take an engine not designed with forced induction in mind and cram even more air into it with forced induction, thus raising cylinder pressure even more, it is could start preigniting (knocking). Proper tuning and new pistons (and possibly rods depending on applicaiton and amount of boost) the drop C/R are what prevents autoignition.

>>14449986
Look at this nigger, look at him and laugh.

Oh look, some kid is projecting his downfalls as a man onto other people in an attempt to make himself feel better about being an unemployed obese virgin loser.

But at least you only watch western animation, right?

>>14450000

Shut up weeb, you are nothing without your smug anime images. Kill yourself.

>>14450020
Niggers shouldn't even exist. off yourself before you cause some sort of time collapse.

>>14449892
I'M parroting? That's funny

>>14449943
No, I don't

Does anyone else have more respect for straight up ricers than the kind of dunning-kreuger "I read it on the forums" stage 2 tunetards like half the posters in this thread?

>>14450032

I'm not a nigger though. Whereas you are actually a fat ugly virgin weeb. Keep calling me a nigger while you cry, I enjoy it.

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>>14450069
nigger

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>went from 180 to 230whp with a turboback, intake and a tune

My fuel economy improved too.

>>14450077
how do i go from 140 to 250 on the same engine

>>14450058
Ok. So you are just willfully ignorant or you are implying forced induction?

>>14450076

Unlovable faggot

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>>14450097
>wanting to be loved
So a nigger with mommy issues.

>>14450082
You don't know what you are talking about. New cars are pretty lean, 14.5:1 to 15.5:1. Leaning them out further will reduce power. You make the most power from an NA engine around 12.5:1, but you lose efficiency. Are you just confused as to what lean/rich means?

>>14450081
effu effu can do that

>>14450111

>sex is bad
>love is bad

Keep going, I want to know what sort of faggot I'm replying to. I bet you're fat, too ("wanting to waste time on exercise," of course). No friends and no job ("wanting to be a wage slave" amirite?). Not actually white despite hating niggers (you do watch chink cartoons, after all).

tl;dr you're a fag

>>14450081
Factory turbo with a factory rich tune and a restrictive exhaust is what I had. My AFR gauge was pegging 10:1 after I did the exhaust and intake and intercooler.

AFR's now 11.5:1 where it counts, and cleaned up across the board. Ignition tuned off mbt and egt's. Small bore engine, we tried it as high as 12:1 but it got a little hot but never detonated with the fuel we have here, but it's my trackday/weekend car so we agreed to keep it a bit safer. Went from 14 to 19mpg around town which is nice. Some engines just respond really well to getting the whole thing tuned and nutted out with some bolt ons. Others not so much.

Factory turbo cars generally respond well. A b16 honda doesn't make shit from bolt ons and a tune

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>>14450138
>this butthurt
It's okay nigger-san, I get it, you are upset. I know why you hate all of those things, because your father was also a nigger. He didn't have a job, he didn't love you and hated you. He wasn't in the best of shape. and as such you project everything you hated about your father onto others.

Not sure if your father was into white women though, probably the reason you hate chinese cartoons.

>>14450116
Yeah you are an idiot. L2stoichiometry.

But its ok, i once just spouted memes and knew nothing too

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>>14450153
So you are actually saying that the way to make more power from a stock, modern NA car is to make them run more lean? And I'm the idiot?

>>14450151

>Weeb projects fact that his father hates him since he will never have grandchildren

kek, more please. I can do this until mommy calls you upstairs for supper.

>>14450175
Im saying you spout means and dont know shit.

And i stand by what im saying.

>>14450148
are you saying my honda is worthless?

>>14449537
Why are there no jack stands?/

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>>14450209
No not at all. I love 92-00 hatches with all my heart. By all means, spend a few grand to make an extra 10 or 15 horsepower.

It's all fun in the end

>>14450182
you're literally autistic for responding so much

>>14449778
Not that you cant turbo, just that it'd be a silly idea.

>>14450221
What's the best way to improve horsepower in a small, high-rev NA engine like that?

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>>14450236
You enjoy it?

>>14450221
You're an asshole

>>14450236

>have nothing to do on a Saturday afternoon, would be posting on 4chan anyway

eat shit, faggot. Fight me irl.

>>14450265
the whole world doesn't have one time zone you autist.

>>14450265
>have nothing to do on a Saturday afternoon
Dude youre such a fucking failure at life

Why arent you out with friends or fucking your girl?

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>>14450288
He's a nigger, he doesn't have a girlfriend.

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>>14450246
For a B series? Header, 2.25-2.5" exhaust, get rid of the resonator section of the rubber intake pipe and, and Hondata. Biggest difference would be a 4.78 or even a 4.9 final drive ratio.

Anything else is just going to keep getting diminishing results for increasingly larger amounts of money.


>>14450236
>>14450250
You're both retards

>>14450279

No shit, that's why I clarified that it is a Saturday afternoon. You fucking nigger.

>>14450288

She's at work :^)

>>14450295

Fight me weeb, why'd you run away? Pussy.

>>14450302
i have a b18. Are you saying I'll never break 200hp for cheap? I'll never be fast?

>>14450308

>Do rebuild with cheap parts
>Ebay turbo build

Enjoy your fast car. If you can't rebuild it yourself then no, you will never be fast. I say this on the basis that as a B18 owner you are too poor to afford good parts or someone else installing them.

Not the guy you're replying to btw

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>>14450308
A b18c can do 200whp fairly easily depending on how happy the dyno is. A fast B series honda comes down to less weight and steeper gearing. So it'll be fast if you're willing to do all that

I believe in you, anon!

>>14450335
But you told me I might as well buy a new car.

It's a b18b1 to be honest

>>14449471
what wheels even are those?

>>14450253
Wow rude and wrong

>>14450344
>But you told me I might as well buy a new car.

No I didn't.

>>14450353
You said getting any more power than 140hp out of my B18B1 would be so expensive I might as well buy a "real" performance car.

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>>14450344
>It's a b18b1 to be honest

You'll be lucky to make 170hp unless you put a VTEC head on it

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>>14450196
Well, you are wrong and it's very easy to show why. Perhaps you shouldn't correct people on subjects you don't understand in the future.

>>14450364
You're mistaking me with someone else, I haven't been mean once in this thread.

>>14450370
Ok? I don't understand
>>14450381
I know its you!

>>14450387

>I don't understand

He's saying that with a 1.8L engine with a shit head will not make much hp. You could turbo it. Otherwise, yes, you should buy a car intended to go fast instead of an econobox if what you want is to go fast.

>>14450305
>She's at work :^)
at work on my dick! faggot!

>>14450472
how is it an econobox? and why would I not make it vtec?

>>14449471
Best I could do for my car's performance right now is installing a new air intake, so it's ingesting air at a nice 8 degrees C, instead of the <0C air that seems to be causing issues.

Otherwise, handling > power any day.

>>14450531

>how is it an econobox

It has the econobox engine. What is it, a Civic or an Integra? They're both econoboxes. The Integra is a borderline "sport compact" but it's slower than a new Corolla, so...

>why would I not make it vtec

That's what both he and I told you to do, go read those posts again. Installing a new head is necessary, you can't just magically put VTEC into the current one. Even doing that will still only get you to 150~ whp at most. It will always be slow if it's not turbo or engine swapped.

Why did you buy a non-VTEC Honda if your goal is going fast? Serious question btw

>>14450717
because it's a really good honda
I dont understand the question, it's not like the other options had better engines

>>14450717
>Why would you buy a fwd if your goal is going fast? Serious question btw
ftfy

>>14450726

You're being silly. Either accept that it is and will continue to be slow, or get more money. Or, learn how2car and rebuild the engine and turbo it on the cheap.

The "other options" depend on where you live and stuff but you probably could have got a foxbody for the same price, fucking Honda tax.

>>14450308
>Are you saying I'll never break 200hp for cheap?
Correct if you keep NA

>>14450749
Why are you being such a jerk?
>you could have bought a foxbody
A 30 year old car? Are you stuck in 2004?
It's an EK Civic with a b18b1, I don't understand why you're acting like this.

>>14449682
I agree. First and only time I dipped I got so lightheaded i puked and passed ou in my 7th grade social studies classt. incredible body sensation

>>14450783

I'm not being a jerk, why are you being so sensitive? You asked if your car will be fast. We said no, and tried to explain how you could make it fast. Then you seemed to get confused or not understand what we were saying, so I explained further. If my tone is upsetting you then my bad, but your inability to recognize that a base Honda is going to be slow if you're poor is quite aggravating.

The last foxbody sold was in 1993 and the first EK sold was in 1996 so I really don't see your point there...

>>14450813
I don't understand? I never said any of that. Why can't it be fast?
What else could I have bought for $2500? Calm down.

>>14450820
Stop pretending to be retarded, it's been obvious for like an hour

>>14450820

5/10, you had me going for a long time there.

>>14450820
>What else could I have bought for $2500?
a miata

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>>14450820
A MOTORCYCLE COREY YOU STUPID MOTHERFUCKER

>>14450840
>>14450846
>>14450854
>>14450855

Jesus what I just wanted to know if I could make more than 140hp easily

>>14450881
ebay turbo kit

>>14450885
No thanks

>>14450888
but the only way to go fast in any car is with forced induction

>>14450888

Then the answer is no, the end. Enjoy

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>>14450901
Then enjoy your slow piece of shit, riceboy

>>14450895
But I want to go fast before than and then apply forced later on.

>>14450910
fast is relative. you already go fast now compared to cars like american v8s, but youre slow compared to german sports cars. turbo will make you faster than german sports cars, but youll still be slow compared to japanese rwd sports cars.

Fast isn't relative, fast is fast to me.
Why would I be slower than japanese rwd?

>>14450926
>civic
>faster than my 5th gen Mustang 5.0

>>14450926
Thanks for posting, friend.

>>14450937
ever heard of the tortoise and the hare?

vid related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRrRdF1RbVU

>>14450931
meant for >>14450926

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>>14450931
>Why would I be slower than japanese rwd?
thats just the food chain dude

>>14450986
Well, why wouldn't I be able to beat an FD? Or an NSX?

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>>14451007
because fwd can only compete so much

>>14451019
Are you fucking serious? Fuck this board.
This discussion is over, fuck off Corey

>>14451023
nah dude im anon. fwd can still compete but the ceiling of potential is much lower than other platforms. its just fact dude deal with it.
its the reason fwd has never won le mans

>>14451026
>its just fact its just physics
Blah blah blah. Stop it.

>>14450854
>miata
>better

>>14451082
you can beat german and american rwd with a japanese fwd. is that not enough?

>>14451120
No. I'm going to be number one! I want to be the very best! I don't really understand why I can't beat a Japanese RWD. Or why I can beat American / German RWD. This all sounds like bullshit

>>14449518
Smash tuner
Stuff broken bits of it into combustion chamber.
What's so hard to understand?
It's like some of you don't eben know what a car/bus is.

>>14449471
says the moron who drives a grandma's car

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>>14451125

> what is suspension geometry for 500 dollars, alex

If you're talking about conefagging, yeah, sure, you'll be able to keep up in your modified econobox.

But unless you simultaneously dump money into the engine, stiffen chassis, and maybe even go as far as changing your offset all around, your slowness will become more apparent on larger tracks.

Now, I'm not saying there aren't guys that can't do this. This guy that drives a CB7 regularly wipes the floor with the yoloswagfags that have actual nippon sports cars.

But it comes down to two things: skill, and money.

And since you're anon, you're pretty low on both by default.

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>>14452354

Wrong image, fuck.

>>14452354

Jesus Christ.....

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Click on thread
>Nigger
>Vape
>Dip
>honda

>>14449471
I gained 100hp from headers and a tune, and my car is N/A.... What are you on about m8o

>>14452461
OP is stupid. Nothing to see here.

>>14449537
this thing is so big it's disgusting, I know there's no load on the suspension but this is basically a midsize crossover

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>>14449667
>want to look cool so bad but afraid to get real cancer
Kek. This board is so void of automotive knowledge

>>14449778
>what's the magic number
About 10psi at 11:1 compression ratio on factory internals before you start cracking rings, blowing out a gasket or maybe even break a connecting rod

>>14449622
If he keeps it up he wont need to be since the car will crush him.

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>>14452759
What else would you expect on this Cambodian meme sharing website?

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>>14449537

>Man with child under a car not supported by anything but a fucking scissor jack

>>14454858
Some people aren't privelaged kids like you

>>14454864
lell

>>14454864

Rhino ramps are fucking $30 your poor slav

Jack stands are just as cheap

>>14454877
Nope.
Some people are poor, dick.
To work on my car I have to call my friends
Ask them to lift the car

>>14454877
wood is even cheaper.

>>14449471
cool story bro

>>14454883
At that point you should just get them to tip it over on its side. Then you have unlimited access. And you can fairly easily flip it back over yourself

>buy straight pipe
>hks intake
>boost controller

Literally made 80more whp on the dyno

>>14455595
Don't forget about the LED boost gauge with 28 different colour settings

>>14449586
8.8/1 cr
70 psi boost
>DA DA MUi!

>>14454864
privelaged childs
>1337 master race vw golf
>still cant afford a bottle jack or jack stands

>>14449806
>jack rolls away
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EMW7CgAKl8

>>14449677
That's all well and good, but that's just the bare bones basic shit.

VE table and spark advance tables are easy to create.
Even more so if you don't need to meet emission standards, just map for maximum torque.

What about idle tuning, over run settings, acceleration enrichment and transient response tuning including boost control, decell fuel cut, cold start calibration, closed loop fueling correction.

As someone that calibrates for an oem I know these guys with chassis dynos aren't going to make an oem quality map.
And by that I mean its not going to be possible without a good deal of research and development. Testing and test data analysis takes time and money, and these speed shops don't have enough of either to compete with the oems.
And anyone that says you can map on the road is a moron and certainly doesn't know what they're doing.

ITT: 4bangerfags with CAI's and cheap aftermarket exhausts vs everyone else

>>14449586
Sure, you can turbo a 12.5 CR engine. Too bad it'll only take 3-5 psi before it'll start knocking. Turbo kits are kinda useless at that level.

i am SORELY DISAPPOINTED IN ALL OF YOU

fucking posers are still vaping us cool trendy people are already on to dabbing (its a way of fashion)

>>14450380
Those numbers are pretty old. Might be true for wedge chambers from the 60's.

Modern high-swirl heads make max power closer to 13.0 AFR.

Factory tunes are set to cruise at a perfect 14.7 or even leaner, but go far richer than necessary under heavy throttle; you can see 11:1 or richer. While the OEM's focus on getting the most precise high-MPG/low emissions part-throttle cruise that they can, the open-loop full throttle mapping is all about reliability.
The OEM's would much prefer to err on the side of too rich rather than too lean, especially when they're going to have to use the exact same mapping in a quarter million not-quite-identical mass-produced engines per year, without individual calibrations. It keeps temps down and discourages detonation.

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>>14456424
>OEM quality map
lol

>>14449749
Combustion chamber shape and efficiency plays a roll in all this too. A well thought out combustion chamber can operate at a higher amount of cylinder pressure with out detonating or pre-igniting compared to something less well designed. Then of course there's also the big difference that direct injection makes. The more precisely you can control the combustion the more cylinder pressure you can build without needed race gas.

>>14456584
Yes, because the WOT performance is a tiny part of the overall calibration.
And you know that harmonics are responsible for the shape of that torque curve, which isn't a calibration issue.

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>>14449537
>mfw

>>14449682
Yeeee buddy copenhagen wintergreen

>>14449537
I hope that jack collapses.

>>14449695
>just give it a few decades for research subjects to appear.
Those have already come out and most of the flavors will give you popcorn lung