Is Dodge/Chrysler dead?

>>14331500
They're just gonna limp along by trying to
HELLCAT ALL THE THINGS!!!11ONE!!
They're a volume manufacturer that can't make good affordable/normal cars. They're just being kept alive on life support via their halo cars.

>>14331500
Rumor has it Fiat is considering pulling out of the partnership.

I'm sure they'd get bailed again, the concept of only 2 large car companies in America would be too hard for shareholders in the States to grasp.

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post yfw the snek comes back and it's auto

>>14331500
>FCA is discontinuing the Dart and 200C.
Same happened to the Bravo/Delta.
There's a new platform, based on the new Tipo. That's why they're discontinuing it. The Giulietta on the other is still produced, maybe because the new one won't be based on the Tipo platform.

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>makes fastest production car in the world
>no one gives a shit

Dodge needs to learn from this. Dodge will never gain notoriety for making something great. They need to make something cheap and fun to sell in big numbers and make a name for themselves, get people talking about Dodge in a good manner. I don't want to say like a Miata, something a little bigger that can handle their V8s

>>14331690
> makes fastest production car in the world
But they didn't

>>14331698
Have you been living under a rock?

>>14331500
Proof we should've let Chrysler die instead of bailing them out. They just aren't competitive.

>>14331702
Dodge never has and likely never will make the fastest production car in the world

>>14331720
http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/news/a27254/the-dodge-viper-is-going-out-on-a-high-note-setting-13-track-records/

>>14331722
track records have nothing to do with that

why would anyone care about some time attack special setting lap times anyway

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The next gen Wrangler will save us all.

Fiat fuked the dart over so hard. This is why i stick to classics

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>>14331727
Continue with your damage control

>>14331736
Jeep has turned into a soccer mom mall crawler brand, something that is already flooded with much better vehicles.

>>14331743
Dodgefags are this retarded

the Viper isnt the fastest not even close

>>14331743
>Implying every Jeep model isn't class leading in off-road capability

>>14331755
Even if they are they retail for over $30 grand and only a small amount will off road them to those capacities off the dealer lot.

>>14331748
It's the fastest at 13 tracks. And to go back to >>14331727
>why would anyone care about some time attack special setting lap times anyway

That's exactly what Dodge has to learn from. They can make a car that breaks every single record and no one will care, no one can afford these vehicles, it's a popularity contest for teenagers. Dodge needs an affordable, likable car with some muscle that Dodge is known for. They should have made a real pony car ages ago.

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>>14331748
How's it feel to be wrong, Europoor?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXP3Eij2GGA

OVER A

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A Fuggen' HYPERCAR.

Now piss off and be poor in cu ckland.

>>14331526
Jeep and Ram are still profitable tho

>>14331788
Porsche is still faster

how does it feel to be retarded

>>14331793
What.

Look at that image again blindfag.

>>14331779

Off road stuff is expensive.

>>14331748
The snek is arguably the fastest track car one can buy
How ever if your talking about raw top speed the yeah not even close.
Although that's because the insane downforce.

>>14331797
lap times has nothing to do with how fast it is

Viper is a piece of shit that cant even hit 186 mph

>>14331510
They're killing the challenger to retry the barracuda

>>14331805
>he only thinks about top speed
What's it like to be 12

>>14331736
If they ruin the wrangler they shoot the last cash cow

>>14331814
Isn't it going hybrid?

>>14331805
Vipers have been breaking 200mph since the 90's

>>14331807
The Barracuda was the bigger car in the 70's. The name doesn't matter, they need a new platform to make a car on instead of the land whale LX and the fwd shitbox platforms Fiat has been providing.

>>14331811
>calls something the fastest production car
>slower than Corvettes from 15 years ago
>damage controls hard

kek

>>14331820
nope

and this one cant even muster 180 so its nowhere near the fastest production car

>>14331821
I'm not the guy who said its the fastest production car
It's not by any means

It is however probably the fastest track car you can buy

Reason why it doesn't go faster than 186mph is because muh downforce

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>>14331817

I guess it's been considered. I hope they won't

>>14331690
>makes fastest production car in the world
>no one gives a shit
99.9% of their market base can't afford it, why would they care.

>Dodge will never gain notoriety for making something great
no, they just need to make something great that people can afford, that doesn't mean it has to be the fastest in the world though. mazda is smart making the miata which is a cheap fun car, and honda with their civic si/type R, subaru with the WRX, volkswagon and the GTI, ford and all their small cars that are getting performance versions, chevy V6 camaro?/Volt? (do they really have a lot of in demand small/cheap cars?)

anyway manufacturers need to make small cars that people want to buy, it also helps to have a gimmick to bring people to your brand like subaru with AWD. dodge doesn't really have a gimmick except for making high performance cars that most people looking for a dodge aren't going to buy.

>>14331828
yeah

and no one is impressed by a borderline racecar time attack special setting lap times

>>14331837
I'm impressed

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>>14331820

I guess this is what they're thinking

>>14331830
dodge still wants to sell to boomers, but theyre all dying

>>14331829
people see this and they think the option in the future is going to be having a gas model or a hybrid model, however it's more likely to be a hybrid or nothing eventually.

>>14331850
Sadly

>>14331845
But the problem will be it will be priced like the Mustang or Camaro which have been in the game far longer and probably perform better. It would have to be noticeably cheaper to have any relevance.

>>14331837
If you're impressed by top speed you buy the normal version, if track times you buy the track version. And yes, you can buy two of these for the price of one of its competitors. But again none of this matters because hardly anyone buys these.

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>>14331849
>dodge still wants to sell to boomers, but theyre all dying
true that, they're going to have to make the shift eventually though.

on a side note, dodge is in one of the better positions to make retro looking sports cars, imagine if they made something like a challenger that was the size of this nissan concept, I'm sure it'd steal the hearts of many.

>>14331868
They had a chance with the dart

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>>14331690
The Crossfire was a failure too

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>>14331868
>millenium fresh

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>>14331880
It was a rebadged Mercedes.

>>14331890
>Dodge could have had the Miata crowd but Mercedes said no

>>14331910
>>Dodge could have had the Miata crowd but Mercedes said no
Are you saying that Mercedes cucked Dodge?

Just imagine if Dodge made a light weight platform and then slapped a big V8 option in it, they could market it as the cheapest v8 in the industry/ most fuel efficient v8 (simply due to light weight)

>>14331920
Mercedes cucked the entire US.

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>>14331890
>>14331910
COPPER

HEAD

>>14331845
Lol that just looks like a squished camaro

I want FCA to make a baby Viper with a 4.2L straight-5. Call it a Boa/Python or something.

>>14331920
>killed Plymouth
>kept Chrysler from becoming a luxury brand
>wouldn't let SRT team go apeshit
>cut the cord when times got rough

They messed Chrysler up good.

>>14331500
We can but hope.

>>14331500
The condensed wisdom of the blogosphere is that Chrysler is indeed a dead brand walking but not for the immediately obvious reasons.

It seems that Ram trucks and Jeep have been the cash cow keeping FCA awash with a huge drag on the whole thing being Fiat and the emphasis on getting Alfa launched. This leaves nothing for future product development and the word is they've got nothing for beyond 2018. That means that if they started today with a moon-shot equivalent crash program it'd be 2021 before new product was available and with the public already tired of current products this is a death knell. This is largely why Sergio has been desperate for a partnership.

>>14332012
>Ram trucks and Jeep have been the cash cow
don't forget all the chargers they sell to the police, although from what I've seen most police are moving to ford explorers

>>14332012
This is ridiculous. The Hemi architecture has been out since 2003, the LX platform since 2006, Journey is on the chassis from the Avenger, everything else is a rebadge from other companies. How have they not have a single thing to come out with? Chrysler hasn't made anything on their own for like 2 decades.

>>14331837
NO ONE? Are you kidding me? I don't think even 1/4 tards never reach the top speed of their vehicles in their races. No one gives a fuck about top speed beyond a certain point. For a long time the Ceylon was the fastest production car but I'd never dream of owning one because of how hideous it is. It also never impressed me.

>>14331845
That actually doesn't look bad to me. Not gorgeous for sure, but could be worse. I'd be glad if it turns out at least this good

>>14331942
Why.

>>14331823
> and this one cant even muster 180 so its nowhere near the fastest production car

it's obviously not designed for the fastest possible straight line speed

Man.. what track times will /o/ shitpost about all day when the viper's gone..

>FCA is discontinuing the Dart and 200C.

literally nothing of value lost

dodge chrysler are dead brands but the BIG TRUGH RAM and Jeeps sell well

how would you all cut fat from dodge/chrysler?
>keep jeep, except for the crummy crossovers that never sell
>keep ram
>cut/redesign all dodge/chrysler models except the caravan since they sell

>>14331845
Painfully hideous

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>>14331890
>THAT SCOOTER
Christ alive, was their plan to appeal to old cucks going through a midlife crisis or something?

>>14333677
it was 2002

how young are you?

>>14333685
I was 8 years old in 2002.
Not that guy btw

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>>14333685
didnt see that it was from 2002,
that makes a bit more since I guess. Still though, if 2002 me saw this I would probably still think that they dressed this guy to be "hip" to the point of going way overboard. So cool it's uncool dawg.

Chrysler is fine. They're killing the 200/dart because crossovers are dominating the market. They're making a new Journey, Compass, and Caliber that will all likely fit various versions of that field. The Durango is winning awards like crazy, just like the Cherokee and various iterations of the Ram. Volume sales for those brands are through the Goddann ceiling and into the stratosphere.

Smart money is on Trucks, SUVS and crossovers right now. Chrysler is smart to jump on that - especially since they're industry leaders with Jeep. They'll probably get back into rebranding Mazdas or Mitsubishi to keep in the small car segment, but the investment there will be in tech for the inevitable fuel cost inflation.

The Challenger and Charger are still due for major overhauls by 2020, probably to include a turbo 4 and a new Hemi. People seem to forget that the Charger is still making money hand over fist because it's the only reasonable V8 sedan on the market. Fleet sales are avsolutely retarded for a car that is old as it is. The Challenger has remained incredibly successful and sales have only improved with the updating.

You have to spend money to make money. Fiat isn't going to drop Chrysler because it's the only thing making them money.

>>14333713
me too
wanna fuck?

>>14331500
Nah man.

The only problem is that Fiat doesn't really understand the US market, and doesn't know what Dodge and Chrysler are supposed to do. Is Chrysler the luxury brand or the everyman's brand? Is Dodge the performance brand or the everyman's brand? SRT, wtf?

And how could they possibly believe that capturing the US market under their own name could work with their low quality vehicles? The best way to put yourself into a market is by making solid, quality vehicles like the Japanese did in the 1970s. Fiat, well, they're unreliable.

>>14331820
Cheap gimmicky (and if it's a 500, overpriced) cars have been the only cars Fiat have been able to produce and sell for a long time.
Their reliability record kills them in every segment up.

Fiat was a poor match for Chrysler. Daimler-Benz would have been a much better match, but that bombed.

>>14331935
And Fiat knows how to build lightweight cars. But they ruined it.

>>14332012
Which will fuck them up sooner or later when gas prices inevitably go sky-high again. They're highly dependent on oil prices.

At least they've got multiple platforms approved for usage in the US, unlike GM back in 2007.

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>>14331526
>mfw my dad works for Chrysler and I read this

>>14333810
isn't fiat making a miata based car? what if they got dodge involved, stuck a challenger grill on it, gave it a V8 and called it a day (I'd say make it a hard top as well, but that'd be asking too much)

>>14333849
>mfw my dad is the President

This is fucking Daimler all over again. 85% of FCA profits in 2015 came from Chrysler, yet they are running them right into the ground. Using profits and cash on hand to dump money into fucking shit Fiat's and Alfa's that don't sell anywhere.

>>14333873
You forgot Hellcatting it.
Because that's the only thing Dodge has been capable of for the last couple of years.

>>14333898
A lot of companies seem to hate on their profit machine; trying everything to destroy it.

Italian chauvinism needs to be ripped out of FCA. FCA should do what PSA and Renault-Nissan did; appoint a CEO that isn't from either one of the countries.

>>14333993
>You forgot Hellcatting it
that comes later, gotta make the car first

>>14331817
Yup, but keeping the straight axles.
>>14331829
>>14331850
Going with a notorque gas motor, fuel economy gears, and massive electric torque for acceleration and crawling might be a strategy worth trying.

>>14334305
>Going with a notorque gas motor, fuel economy gears, and massive electric torque for acceleration and crawling might be a strategy worth trying.
that might work, but whatever they do it MUST be better than what came before it, otherwise people just wont buy in.

>>14334320
It's The Wrangler. If Sergio fucks that one up, he's doomed the whole company.

It's the vehicle that provides credibility to half their profit center. He'll be lynched if he lunches it.

If course it'll probably suck because he's been pouring all the Jeepbucks into Italian small car development, but the stakes are as high as possible.

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>>14333849
>mfw my dad works for fca too and i find it hilarious he may be losing his job considering he is fca's biggest cuck

>hellcat wrangler
>hellcat snek
>hellcat caravan
>hellcat dart
>hellcat 300c
>hellcat fiat 500
>hellcat fiat 500L

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but i just wanted my wrangler pickup :(

>>14334598
>Hellcat 300
I'd fucking love to see that

>>14334625
they're finally going to make it
>2017

>>14334625
>>14334729
fuck it's finally happened? after how many years of begging?

>>14335289
And they plan to offer a diesel.

>>14331805
Ohhhh NOW the Europoors wanna talk about straight line speed?

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>>14331500
>>14331526

>FIX IT AGAIN TONY will save them.

>>14331690
Where I live only niggers drive Dodges, they love the Chargers and Challengers they get on dubious lease terms.

Old White people buy the Darts and slap a big 'ol 3 on the side. I've only seen a few of these though so I'm not surprised it's dead now. I have no idea who the fuck bought the 200s, evidently nobody.

Dodge only has like 5 cars left, I wish they'd just import gray market jap cars again.