If you never had an italian car you won't reach car valhalla

Muh feels!

>>14243331
>lancia delta
>fiat punto

WITNESS ME

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Alfa master race reporting in.

>>14243331
Can I introduce a new rule that says any Lancias that have been sold with a Chrysler badge, the Alfa Romeo Mito and non-GTA 147, and Fiats post 1970 that don't have "Coupe", "Dino", "Spider", "Abarth", "Barchetta" or "X1/9" in their names don't count?

Had a chance to buy a 124 Spider.
Regret not doing so, but the owner was a bit of a cunt tbqh

>>14243331
>Buying cars made by shitskins
I'll pass. Germany won't be brown for another 15 years anyway.

>>14243414
Porsche already has women building their cars for a long time now

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RIDE ETERNAL

>>14243331
>Italian car
reaching any destination other than a tow truck

>>4162878
Pretty sure you have to die in a race to reach car Valhalla.

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aww sheeeeiiiit

I'll buy an Alfa at some point, wouldn't touch any others.

>>14243405
>"Spider"
But the Fiat 124 Spider is literally just a Miata with a turbo and repeatedly beat over the head with the ugly (and probably unreliable) stick.

>>14243502
The only Italian cars worth a dime are pre-Fiat Lancias and pre-DeTomaso Maseratis.

>>14243528
It's not about what they are worth, its about driving them.

>>14243527
>ugly (and probably unreliable)
your opinion a shit
why should it be unreliable if it is just a miata with a turbo?
and it's way more beautiful than the Miata

>>14243534
Worth a sentimental dime as well. Maybe Ferraris, too. When were Alfas ever innovative or outstanding performing or looking cars?

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>>14243538
Because it has a FIX IT AGAIN TONY engine

>>14243498
trippy mayne

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>>14243527
I was really thinking of the other 124 spider, to be honest.

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>>14243542
>When were Alfas ever outstanding looking

Bah, when did Shakespeare ever write good plays? When did Alexander the Great ever see military success? What did Mozart contribute to music?

Don't have a picture , but I've owned a 1984 Pininfarina Spider Azzura for the past 5 years and used as daily driver. Love the car to death, never had any problems. Then again not made by Fix-It-Again-Tony

>>14243548
I sadly forgot what website was able to do this shit.

>>14243543
>fiat engines
>unreliable
you are thinking about minor electronic flaws, not in engines.

>>14243387
Current Alfas have a face that looks like a really angry, pointy-nosed jew

>>14243554
Mozart is indeed overrated.

>>14243421
And Porsches are built great

>>14243331
From these brands, only car worth a damn is the Lancia Stratos.

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>>14243629
Porsche indeed is the best crossover company!

>>14243644
Crossovers are the best selling cars for just about every company that makes them

I don't know who's stupider the people who buy them, or you

>>14243644
Panamera on suicide watch.

will I reach bike Valhalla if I buy a ducati

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2JP-b-pwW4

Man, I want to buy this thing.

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>>14243331
>fiat stilo abarth
my body is ready

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>first car is italian
ayy

>>14243679
This car sounds like a wet fart. It's gurgling and shit

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>>14243543

Those Germans are improving a lot lately. They found right suppliers with strictest QC. Sehr Gut.

>>14243826
>the C63 AMG and the F-Type sound like a fart
Just fuck off.

>>14243658

It is long in the tooth right now. Next gen is coming. Idiot.

>>14243838
>Comparing a turbo 1.4 I4 to a 3.0 V6 and 4.0 V8

What are you talking about?

>>14243863
They both gurgle, except V6s and V8s have a more deep noise.

>>14243331

>implying Italians make good cars.

Please leave. Most over hyped, and over rated cars ever.

>>14243421
Tons of western manufacturing has been women since WW2.
You can find videos from west germany of car assembly being largely done by women.

>>14243639
>Ignoring the 037s
>Ignoring the Delta HFs

Are you retarded?

>>14243881
>memes

>>14243898

yeah, not only western. Japan/korean companies also employ women workers.

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>>14243700
ayy lmao

>>14243331
Why does fiat only sell variations of the 500 in the us? I would buy a uno or puto or whatever if they were cheap and availiable

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>>14243918
Don't think there's a market for them in the US.

>Rudolf would be proud

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>>14243543
>Kia
>at the same level as Subaru
>Infinity
>one of the worst
doubt.jpg

Kia is dogshit, and Infinity is GOAT.

>>14243929
>muh feels trump data
I'm sure you're gonna go to Car Valhalla, since that's a pretty Italian way of thinking.
Pooparu's pretty GOAT at selling interiors from the 90's

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>tfw dad is thinking about giving me his 2011 Quattroporte
pls, I need that Italian beauty dad

>>14243917
>not including the Meme500(TM)
m8

>>14243963
You took the picture u fukin faget

>>14243993
>not posting a picture that includes the Meme500(TM)

>>14243918
I'm willing to bet the majority of people in the ES buying 500s are women who wants cutesy retro shit

>>14244058
>I'm willing to be the majority of people buying 500s, Minis, and Beetles are women who want cutsey retro shit
ftfy

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>>14244009
4u

>>14244077
Jesus fucking christ, why would you do that?

>>14244089
for the sake of memes

>Lancia
Irrelevant
>Alfa Romeo
Only driver's car is automatic only
>FIAT
Unreliable shitboxes that make 00s Chryser look good
>Ferrari
Trackwhores, way better options for the price
>Maserati
Ferraris without the Ferrari badge (which is the only reason people buy them in the first place)
>Lamborghini
Priorities: Attention whoring and numbers

I'm good

>>14244099
pretty hot oppinions bro

>>14244064
To be fair, those cars are largely bought by women and metrosexuals even here in Europe. The new New Beetle has partly managed to throw that off, and Cooper S and JCW Minis drive well enough that people seem willing to overlook the styling, but the core buyers of cars like these are still, in my experience the sort of people to own flowery skirts or pink chinos.

>>14244099
t. eg6 hatch owner

>>14244104
Well, if we just focus on their new stuff, Lanica IS irrelevant nowadays, Alfa QVs and the 4C ARE automatic only and, Abarth aside, Fiats ARE generic shitboxes aimed at teenagers and people who don't like cars.

ok alfa boys give me cold hard truth about the 156

what engine is best, is it really THAT expensive etc.

>>14244139
>Fiats ARE generic shitboxes aimed at teenagers and people who don't like cars
You are wrong though. Nobody buys Fiats because they are the norm like Renaults, Peugeots and other brands. People buy Fiats because they genuinely like the cars.

>>14244152
>tony actually believes this

>>14244139
too bad they stopped making fun stuff like the coupe 20v turbo, punto hgt or uno turbo

>>14244155
It's the truth. Ask any fiat owner, they won't say they bought it because a friend had one.

>>14244155
>he only believes the memes

>>14244159
>grande punto 1.9m-jet sporting
>punto evo 1.4t sporting
>abarth 500
>abarth grande punto/punto evo
>fiat 124
>abarth 124

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>>14243331
I drive a Fiat Wrangler, thank you very much.

>>14244188
>by our powers of unreliability combined
nice dubs doe

>>14244161
No, they'll probably say something about finance packages, or possibly how the like the little red bits on the seats.

You don't sell base model superminis by catering to enthusiasts.

>>14244212
>No, they'll probably say something about finance packages, or possibly how the like the little red bits on the seats.
Except base fiats are as expensive or even more expensive compared to the competition.

>>14244188
noice

>>14244212
but that means they like cars

>>14244232
Well yeah, no-one's going to buy a car they don't like. Aiming to please people who, when you get right down to it, don't really care that much, though, as you have to in that segment, doesn't make for particularly interesting cars.

>>14244220
Not really. Punto sits between the Clio and the Fiesta price wise. Corsa's a fair bit cheaper, I'll admit, but that's presumably because they start with that NA 1.0l

All European cars are shit
Regards american and weeaboo car enthusiast

>>14244303
thanks for you are valurable onion

>>14244278
>Not really. Punto sits between the Clio and the Fiesta price wise. Corsa's a fair bit cheaper, I'll admit, but that's presumably because they start with that NA 1.0l
And the Punto is still better built than the Fiesta.
The Corsa is cheaper because it's overall mediocre.

>>14244338
I mean Fiesta's a bit cheaper; Clio's a bit more expensive.

But yeah, I'm not saying the Punto is bad, so far as by-the-numbers B-segment superminis go. Just that it's silly pretend it's much more than that.

>>14243955
Better have him do the clutch, engine mounts, and cam variators before he hands it over or you're going to go broke within a month trying to keep it on the road

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>>14244220
The new Tipo starts at €14500 fully loaded, most competition starts at €18k+.

>>14245431
>14.5k fully loaded
Where?

It's true. You can get a used quattroporte for about 20-30k CAD right now. I'm very happy with the Saab I have now, I'm hoping to get five or so years out of it. After then, I'm hoping I'll have enough money to drop 10-15k on a used Mas. Beautiful cars.

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My father had a lot of FIATs.
Palio, Premio, 147...

>>14245554
Italy

>>14246332
south america spotted

>>14243331
>implying your Italian car will stay running long enough to reach car vallhalla

>>14249080
It's almost 22k€ here, 1.6 m-jet fully loaded.

>>14249104
XD

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>>14249096
Hue.

>>14244145
The JTS is the best petrol engine economy and performance wise (I get about 32mpg).
As long as you pick one up that's been looked after and had the timing belt changed within the last 3 years you're fine.
Not much goes wrong with them other than some corrosion under the passenger footwell which will most likely have been sorted by now.

>>14249123
> tfw no mad fiat community like in brasil
It hurts to live in Germany

If I get a Challenger does that count?

>>14244145

The 2.4jtd, 5 cylinder diesel that you can beat on like a petrol.

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>>14243331
>you won't reach
I owned a car that was forged in the actuall halls of Valhalla.

>>14249212
t. geography teacher

SOUL AND PASSION

>>14249276
Nope, just a common worker.
I own a 9-5 Aero now.

>>14249161

> wat

That engine is a piece of shit. You ever so slightly look at it wrong and he'll present you with a repair bill verging on the thousands.

Now, you want to ask me how I know? I owned a Brera with that engine.

2.4jtd is unreliable as fuck.

>>14249631
This is the reason I didn't buy a 2.4jtd after looking through the forums.
Fuck that noise, if I did go for a diesel Alfa it would be the 1.9jtd.

>>14245431
That's because it's just a Dart with new sheetmetal and no turbo.

>>14249711

Still, better engines out there.

Better yet, better cars out there than an Alfa.

I owned two, never again.

>>14249711
the 1.9jtd/m-jet is fucking godlike. With a remap it pulls easily 200hp/400Nm.

>>14249738
It's not. Not even the same platform and every engine spec will have a turbo.

>>14249783
It seems to be the same way with lots of former Alfa owners, you either get a good one or a Friday afternoon at the factory special.
I've been lucky I suppose.

>>14249954
Yeeeup, there's a reason it's been stuck in basically everything Fiat makes at one point or another.

>>14249954

lel, no

Even if you were talking about the 170, pushing 200 through it would be pushing the envelope.

25% rule.

Plus, 400Nm is way to much for the DMF and clutch.

50K and there will be slippage if not sooner.

No one remaps a car to go around slowly.

>>14243695
same here
it feels like a retarded goblin operating the clutch, gearbox and throttle for you

>>14249989

Ah, nah.

Everyone will undoubtedly end up with problems. Its just the scale and timing that differs.

>>14249997
People who do those remaps always change the clutch.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=1.9+multijet+200hp

There's also a vid of an alfa 1.9 pulling 380hp/650Nm with some mods.
Fiat's diesel engines are goat.

>>14250172

No they don't.

The ones that do, usually end up changing a lot more than a single clutch and usually also dont stop at 200.

People that customize hardware are a very small percentage compared to the universe of remaps.

And btw, remaps should be banned.

>>14250177
>The ones that do, usually end up changing a lot more than a single clutch and usually also dont stop at 200.

Dude, pls. I've been on lots of forums and I've read a lot of stuff about people who do remaps. They usually only change the clutch on those 25% remaps.

>>14250190

Forums.

I've got bad news for you son.

Real life a bit different. On forums you get a skewed view from the people that use the internet, and those once again compose a small percentage.

>>14250210

Dunno about the forums you visit, but the ones I do usually have real people showing their real cars.

I have a 1.3m-jet, I've been to a shop that does remaps and they literally told me I could easily go from 85hp/200Nm to 110hp/+250Nm without changing a thing with no impact to the general reliability of the engine.
Now, if I wanted a more agressive remap I would be looking to spend some money on a better clutch, change the headers and maybe even the IC.

>>14250251

You are of slow comprehension.

The people that show their cars online are a small percentage. Negligible. Do you understand it now?

Every remap compromises components. Every. Single. One. Of. Them.

However tells "remaps don't damage anything" is simply marketing their shit. Remaps always remove the safety boundaries the engineers have put into the vehicles. Or go beyond that.

The 1.3 was designed for a useful life of 250.000Km. Anything beyond that is unknown territory. If anything I wouldn't even get near a small CC engine with remapping software.

Do whatever you feel like, I'm not here to educate you, nor am I here to have the remap vs no remap conversation for the 100th time.

If remaps were so good, cars would come out from factory with the horsepower level remaps offer you.

And no single electronics grease monkey on a back alley garage intricately knows more about an engine than a team of engineers that spent a decade designing it.

>>14250342
>The people that show their cars online are a small percentage. Negligible. Do you understand it now?
Engines are still the same.

>Every remap compromises components. Every. Single. One. Of. Them.
Not really, no. Depends entirely on the remap.

>However tells "remaps don't damage anything" is simply marketing their shit. Remaps always remove the safety boundaries the engineers have put into the vehicles. Or go beyond that.
That's why they give you a warranty.

>The 1.3 was designed for a useful life of 250.000Km. Anything beyond that is unknown territory. If anything I wouldn't even get near a small CC engine with remapping software.
Pulled that out of your ass? I've seen lots of 1.3 multijets with more than 250k kms with general maintenance only/wear parts changed.

>>If remaps were so good, cars would come out from factory with the horsepower level remaps offer you.
>what are price brackets
>what is engine spec cannibalising
>what are emission restraints

>>14243331
And if you do have an Italian car it'll break down halfway to Valhalla.