Ferrari 348/Owning a Ferrari

348 is timing belt + interference, needs an engine out service every 3 years. You won't be able to do it yourself. Yes going to an American V8 will make it easier to deal with but there's 0 chance you are going to be able to do the swap if you're asking here. You can find wrecked Ferraris on Copart. Major service on a 348 is ~$8k, plus whatever else you need to keep it going I would estimate $10-15k every 3 years to keep it in good shape.

>>14154279
So you don't give a shit about resale value, right?

You should keep an eye out for one with a dirty title. The place down the street from me had 2 512's a few months ago. One was $75k and one was $150k. They were almost identical years, miles, condition. The one for $75k had been stolen a couple years ago and written off, so it had a rebuilt title.

And definitely search outside your local area for a good deal. Don't be afraid to drive a few hours for a good deal.

But as far as cost of ownership, I have no fucking clue. Good luck.

>>14154279

I was curious about this too, but I'd rather find a 308 for the same exact affect.

All of them are expensive for what you end up getting: a go kart with a prancing horse logo.

https://autofrei.wordpress.com/2012/03/12/ways-to-lose-money-ferrari-348tb/

Good luck finding a rusted snowflake for cheap, though. I want a high revving LS1 dumped into one of these, and 180 degree headers.

Honestly, go for a fiero with a bodykit and drop that FWD 5.3 liter in the bay.

>>14154304
>there's 0 chance you are going to be able to do the swap if you're asking here.
wouldn't be me, it would be one of my buddies. I am an army transportation officer, I have a ton of mechanic buddies that can fix pretty much anything. How difficult would it be?

>>14154328
I've never seen a rear engine Ferrari with an engine swap, the only one I've seen in person is a 400i with a SBC, the car was a disaster, ended up having to get a Corvette IRS grafted into it because the original one exploded from the power. Putting a small block/LS in a 348 engine bay would be extremely hard, IDK what transaxle you could use, maybe a Porsche with whatever adapter Factory Five uses for their MR kit cars, but to do it properly would cost more than the value of the car, and isn't the kind of project "mechanic buddies" can take on.

>>14154319
yeah, I can accept that I will never sell it for anything other than parts.

Thanks for the advice, im looking at anything in America.

>>14154327
I am literally looking for a go-kart with a prancing horse logo. I am trying to find the cheapest way to do it that.

>>14154348
>basically your project is not economically feasible
thanks for the input, I was afraid that would be the case. I'll go find another way to get a go-kart with a dancing horse logo

>>14154384
The only remotely affordable Ferraris are 400is and Mondials which you are never going to make fast. Just save up and get a good Ferrari further on down the line, they hold value well so it's not like you are torching money like buying a brand new sports or luxury car.

>>14154403
thanks captain reality, I guess ill stop daydreaming now. I think that I knew deep down that that was true. I just want a 348 looking go-kart with a dancy horse. I also want to avoid selling a ferrari though, I hear selling them is a pain in the ass and people haggle over tiny shit and maintenance records

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buy an NSX instead
its better, faster, more reliable, and has more aftermarket, plus it wont catch fire everyday

>>14154455
but it doesn't have a dancing horse. My intent is to get a ferrari for cheap, and use it as a status symbol. A lot of the guys around me are buying houses and cars they can't afford and showing off, id like to beat them in the car department while not actually overstepping my budget. (inb4 "save your money," I have $17,500 go into my TSP annually and $5,500 into my Roth IRA every year). I knew it was a long shot, I ust wanted to see if there was a way to do it. An NSX would not impress the 911fags here

also these fucks can't drive for shit. They all have automatics and most of them text and drive. I just want to one-up them

>>14154622
>le status symbol meme

saged

>>14154384

Me too, but dat Pontiac do.

>>14154627
I don't understand, are you trying to say Ferraris are not a status symbol? are you retarded?

>>14154622
>TSP
You're a government worker you can't afford any Ferrari.

>>14154622
An LS swapped Ferrari would only impress retarded rednecks.

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>>14154446
>I hear selling them is a pain in the ass and people haggle over tiny shit and maintenance records
Selling ANY fucking exotic is a pain in the ass dude, you have noooooo idea.

>>14154873
>I don't understand, are you trying to say Ferraris are not a status symbol? are you retarded?
A new one? Sure. And old one? Hellllll fucking no. Literally the only people you are going to impress with an old Ferrari are basketball americans and 12 year old boys

That aside, my dad pretty much did exactly this when he was younger. Bought a 308 brand new for no other reason than "fuck it, I'm single and have a shit load of money, I want a Ferrari to impress bitches". I've given him shit multiple times for selling it, but to be honest I can't blame him. It was a huge pain in the ass to deal with.

>>14154918

Then we'll do a 13b swap to only impress retarded weaboos.

I'm not spending over 9000 bucks every 3 years for some engine out bullshit. Lemmie build a high revving. SBC and call it a day.

>inb4 "Muh Purism!"

>>14154961

I got compliments when I was driving an S130 with flat paint. You better believe any classic car is a looker!

I doubt you're really LPG if you don't expect folk to look for eyecandy.

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>>14154982
It's a cool dream, but as I think this thread has pointed out, the only way you'd ever get it done is to walk into a high end custom shop, and be willing to throw down hysterical amounts of cash

Even then, I doubt you'd make any more reliable or easy to service than it would have been originally

>>14154904
>Thinking /o/ knows how money works
There was an engineering student on here who seriously unironically believed he could afford a Gallardo 2 years out of college.

He thought that if he just lived in a cheap apartment and ate cheap foods it would become feasible.

>>14154873
>buying a car for le status symbol meme
>an old ferrari

pls go

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>>14154994
>You better believe any classic car is a looker!
No. Just no. Plenty of old Ferrari's are ugly as fuck (pic related)

And most people don't give a flying shit about classic cars. You might get props from actual gearheads from time to time, but an old Ferrari is not a status symbol.

>>14154327
My friends did the fiero to Ferrari body kit with a tuned up LS engine it. The thing was so well done that he was able to go to several Ferrari only clubs before someone finally caught on because the seats didnt "feel" right.

>>14154982
And completely ruin the car.

A high end sports car isn't like a fucking 4 banger shitbox /o/ told you to buy for cheap. These are purpose built cars that are engineered meticulously down to every last bolt.

If you seriously think you can just toss a new engine in a Ferrari of any kind and expect it to
A.) Be more reliable
B.) Retain it's handling capabilities
you are fucking retarded. If you can't justify spending $9k on your engine every 3-5 years, why oh why in the name of ever loving FUCK are you looking at a high end sports car? Stick to fucking econoboxes if you can't shell out for the cost of a performance car.

You wanna know how your engine swap is going to end? With you and your rusted ferrari wrapped around a tree on a interstate off ramp.

>>14155031
Sorry, but your shitty Italian designer car isn't any different from any other car mechanically. It's just as valid to swap out the powerplant, retard. You can't just make up magic reasons and pretend that it's true.

>>14154622
>butterbar confirmed
why not take care of your Soldiers first before trying to show off your micropenis. I swear to god the military is going to shit nowadays.

>>14155055
calm down specialist, go to college

>>14154904
>what is the reserves.
I'm in real estate man, I play army on weekends

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Bad idea. Get a Factory Five GTM.

>>14155030
> things that never ever happened

>>14154622
PRANCING
NOT DANCING
PRANCING

>>14155010

Statusfags lease some Euro shit for 36 months rather than own and operate an expensive rare piece of machinery.

So is a 355 F1, 550 Marenello, or a 250 GT, not status symbols even if they are iconic and other people know they are worth a lot?

Hell, C5s and C6s are status symbols.

>>14155030
My dad works for Lamborghini and he said they were going to make a new huracan that's faster than the bugatti!

>>14155053
Have you seen the engine bay of one? The literal only engine that will fit is one that is the one in there or a tiny inline 4 or 5

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I'm sure it's already been mentioned but if you're only doing this as a status symbol and not some sort of bizzare DD or something, then that's the perfect reason why you DON'T want to LS swap it.

You're literally taking the most unique part of the car out and swapping it with a dime-a-dozen LS.

Either way, it sounds like a retarded idea and I suggest you save up

>>14155194
Nope, it happened alright. But who fucking spends 40K on a fiero?

>>14155031

M-muh PURISM!!!!!!!!!

Fucking hell Anon, if I find somebody's shit with a blown drivetrain, you can bet your ass I'd rather fabricate a reliable running engine for cheaper than buying a new absurdity to drop in.

I would give a fuck what some dude thought when I'm driving the damn car how I want to.

>>14155231
NOBODY would confuse an LS for a v12, even an idiot that bought a Ferrari because his father gave him a sizable allowance that month.
The interior is definitely american, no body kit EVER lines up without extensive filler, and the shape of a fiero is completely different than any Ferrari. Keep spewing bullshot, it never happened.

>>14155256

>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>14155229
the original idea was to try and find one with a blown engine and swap it like >>14155256, thus dodging the price and maintenance of Ferrari. From this thread I have pretty much gathered that this is not feasible, and I'm better off just getting one and babying it. I'm going to go research that some more.

>>14155289 here, meant >>14155255, not the guy talking about body kits

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>>14155256
Problems with your theory
1: meant to say friends dad, my bad, but its a boomer project.
2: Ferrari owners arent the brightest bunch, especially when it comes to cars. They see the badge and thats all most know.
3: With boomer money, ANYTHING is possible. He did use genuine ferrari parts for the interiors and almost anything else he could.
4: Pic related; a good fiero kit could pass to the average midlife crises boomer.

>>14155229
diamond dozen*

>>14155231
Pics or didn't happen

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>>14155229
>>14155219
>>14155031
>>14154918
>>14154403
>>14154348


Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me!!!!!
Fuck you, I WON'T DO WHAT YOU TELL ME!
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me!!!!!
Fuck you, I WON'T DO WHAT YOU TELL ME!

http://www.chevyhardcore.com/news/swap-insanity-1976-ferrari-308-gt4-gets-twin-turbo-lsx-treatment/

>>14155164
This tbhfam
You aren't going to impress anyone in a nigger-rigged low-ball Ferrari

>>14155389
>308 GT4
>GT4
I was scared for a minute. Almost thought he ruined a good Ferrari

>>14154279
1. It's NOT for tall people

2. jack up the passenger side rear, take wheel off, unscrew a few screws to reach access panel. From there you can change timing belts and shit. It's a tight space but it is workable. Any dealer who tells you they gotta charge you thousands to remove the whole engine to change a belt is bold-faced lying to you, and a lot of tards who had 308's/328's/348's/Mondials have been ripped off not knowing their longitudinal-mounted-engine Ferraris had those access panels.

3. No you can't LS swap a 348. The engine compartment's too tiny and it's set up for a longitudinal-mounted engine with rear-mounted trans-axle behind it which you can NOT find for a Chevy crate engine.

4. LET THE FUCKING THING WARM UP! So many tards get in and drive without letting it warm up. It's like any other car even moreso due to the high-RPG engines where letting it arm up first adds years and miles to its life. So just let the needle get off the peg before driving it.

5. ebay I guess as well as one hell of a google scouring to find small local places across America that might have one

>>14156898
The LS is probably smaller than what ever engine is in it
And most people who LS swap mid engined cars use a Porsche transaxle

>>14156909

But the Ferrari transaxle is designed to be mounted to a longitudinal engine, not a conventionally-mounted engine. Think of an engine with the gearbox attached to the side of it

So to make it work would take major surgery on the car because the LS1 would have to go in the normal way due to its size and to accomodate a more conventional transaxle behind it.

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>>14156949
>Think of an engine with the gearbox attached to the side of it
what?

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Have a real 63 250 GT/E with a DZ 302 small block Chevy

>>14156949
You mean horizontal right?
If it was longitudinal there would be no issue.

Also there are horizontally mounted fwd LS engines. Although the gearboxes on those are shit

Also being longitudinally or horizontally mounted doesn't make any real difference. If you have the knowledge or can throw enough money at it, it's not an issue

>>14156973
Who ever owns that car, must either have so much money that he doesn't give a fuck or regret every day that it's basically worthless compared to if he left it alone.

>>14156973

Oh wow way to completely destroy the value of that car.

>>14156993

Car would be worth $350-550k if all original. Bought a long time ago as a shell with almost no parts. Would cost about as much as it's worth to get it to 1/2 concours and more than it's worth to concours.

>>14157006
Even as a bare shell it probably would be worth more than it is now.

>>14156993
>>14156997
I'm pretty sure the story behind it is that he came into ownership of a spare body without a chassis through one way or another, and without a chassis it's not a car, so he just dropped it on one.

>>14157009

Nah. Read the whole story. Basically it was a body only and the chassis and engine only parts are so rare the body itself would only be of value as a replacement but Ferrari guys aren't into replacing bodies so not much value. Just to come up with a numbers matching V22 is about $150k.

>>14157019

V12

>>14156983
the engine is longitudinal, but the gearbox is transverse. imagine taking a FWD LS engine and rotating it 90 degrees

>>14156898
When you do an engine out it's because it's the fastest way, it's not to trick the customer. The book hours are the book hours (50 to 65 hours for a major on the cars in your list depending on the trans, if they are a cabriolet, etc.), if you could accomplish that in half the time working through the access panel like a 360 (on which majors pay half the hours) it would be a dream job for flat rate techs, but Mondials through 348s are losing jobs for techs and most shops

>>14156949
>>14156972
>>14156983
I think the guy is getting mixed up between the 308/328/non T Mondial which have transverse engines and the 348 and forwards and the Mondial T which have longitudinal engines and clutch units and transverse shafts on the transaxle.

>>14156983
so basically you can't LS swap it


>>14156898
tell me more. I am 5'9 and I am getting into working on cars now. Is it possible that somewhere down the road I can work on a Ferrari and avoid the maintenance costs?

I know how to treat a car, I always let the engine warm up and keep the RPM's low until after a few minutes of driving.

>>14158611
There's no way you are going to get any work done on your own without a lift. Even if you had one it's very difficult if not impossible to get information and any special tools you need from Ferrari, they hate giving that stuff out even to independent shops, I have no idea how you would go about getting it as a single person. If you get a post 1996 Ferrari there is an independent company that makes a scanner that does most processes you need to do, it's called the Leonardo and made by Accini, I think it's around $35k. You cannot do any work to an F1 trans without it.