Anyone else pissed off at Ford GT? It has a v6tt rather than

>>14117364

It isn't worth the boomer nostalgia and sound, especially since they would have to spend a considerable amount of money getting that flat plane crank v8 up to the same R&D levels as the V6TT that already has proven itself in endurance series for a good while now.

I wish it got the V8, but the V6TT is clearly the more sound choice, and allowed them to put more money into developing other portions of the car. (Like its unibody composition and what not.)

>>14117364
>Anyone else pissed off at Ford GT?
no, not at all. I think its a beautiful car and I hope it wins the lelmans. The car is cool as fuck, its expensive and flashy and ill never own one. I think its a really neat way to show off their 6 cylinder engine technology

>>14117364
The V8 wouldn't fit.

this is like a modern intepretation of the xj220...expensive, boat-length, v6tt, and probably soon to develop all sort of problems.

>>14117364
I know a GT owner that will not consider it because of the V6. Yes he is a boomer.

Personally I am disappointed by the price. I think cars of its caliber and price point should exist, but when I was a kid I was told cars of its form would be the norm and accessible to the working man. Why isn't there a steel and firberglass version assembled with the precision of a Focus ST available at a Mustang GT price point?

>>14117617
>but when I was a kid I was told cars of its form would be the norm and accessible to the working man.
Your delusions are the car's fault?

>>14117364
Just wait until it blows Ferrari and Lambo the fuck out and shows yuros they can't even compete with a V6 Ford.

>>14117364

It needs a <2.5s 0-60 time and a <7:00 ring time to be worth the money they're asking for it in 2016.

In a world of Viper ACRs, 911 Turbos doing 0-60 in 2.4s, and GT-Rs that can nearly break the 7 minute mark on the ring, looking like a jetfighter isn't enough to warrant that price anymore.

>>14117658
from the looks of things it may well do both of those things.

>>14117364
if you're going to slap that price tag on a ford, this thing needs to be absolutely godlike, which it won't be

>TTV6
>LeMans
Enjoy losing to Corvette/Porsche/Aston.

Turbos and LeMans don't mix.

>>14117691
Note for the pedants: IN THE GT CLASS

>>14117691
>engine that's already proven itself in other endurance races
>having trouble with an endurance race
top kek

Fug, I'm hyped about the GT at Le Mans. I can't wait for the /o/ threads.

>>14117702
LeMans is different. Almost 90% of the race is spent at full throttle.

GT can't do the massive sculpting that is necessary to keep a turbo motor cool. There's a reason that everyone in that class runs n/a. There's no reason to add that level of heat and complexity when the horsepower levels are easily attainable n/a and are all within 5-10 hp of each other.

>>14117727
*GTE

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>>14117364
i'm pissed it's autotragic

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>>14117364
MUH V8 HERITAGE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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itt: benchracing.

>>14117571
Except the v6 they provided was actually better than the proposed v8

>>14117364
it's a packaging decision you fuckwit

>>14117741
>clinging to obsolete technology
get with the times, automatic is faster

>>14117756
>it's a packaging decision you fuckwit
That's what Corvette says about leafsprings.
Truth is, they didn't have the time to develop a VeeAte for the car.

>>14117364
>I'm fannyfrustrated about a car that I can't afford and will never own.
Who cares? You aren't the target market.

>>14117771
>didn't have time

Actually, I think it was decided to do a V6 to demonstrate the abilities of the EcoBoost engines.

>>14117691
Ferrari is going turbo too.
But I'm sure some random autist knows better

>>14117364
No. The V6 is lighter and will be faster than a supercharged V8 would have been on a road course. The old V8s are awesome and the GT40 is one of my favorite cars, but if that's all I want them j can get an old GT or a replica with a Z06 or Shelby mustang engine.

If it were a street car it would be complete and total trash for not having a V8. Since it is a racecar it is flawless

>>14117364
It's uglier than the 2005 gt.

>>14117617
>I was told cars of its form would be the norm and accessible to the working man.
Anon, I got some news for you. The "American Dream" has been dead for along time.

>>14117364
The turbocharged cars are faster within the ruleset, the proven 3.5L makes sense.

>>14117774
This

Just buy a v8 gt or a 1:1 gt40 replica if you have the cash and don't like the v6. The new GT is supposed to dominate ferrari again anyway, not please your silly arse

>>14117571
I haven't had any problems with it in Forza yet.

>>14117710
>racing threads on /o/
>good
lel, back to reddit senpai

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>>14117710
I'm not sure if I want Ford or Ferrari to win, leaning towards Ferrari because of the blasphemous V6

>>14118017
see >>14117751

>>14118000
>He wasn't on /o/ for the last Le Mans

Projecting

>>14118044
all the GTR butthurt

>>14118017
ferrari deserves to lose regardless of who wins

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>>14117364

Daily reminder than "flatplane crank" is a meme.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/flat-plane-silliness-how-crankshaft-press-release-duped-stephen-kim

Haven't heard much about it apart from people complaining about the V6. Apparently it did well in endurance tests or something. A GT40 evolution without a V8 still feels kinda odd though.

It's got a hell of a legacy to live up to.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhVnLObVF7Q#t=3m5s
[spoiler]This video definitely doesn't give me warm feelings[/spoiler]
[spoiler]delicious porsche tears[/spoilers]

>>14118121
wow i love it when I forget which board im on and try to use spoiler tags

>>14118044
you're right, i was on the /sp/ thread, where people actually talk about racing and dank memes. /o/ racing threads are just low tier memes

I dont care which engine it has cause honestly ill never own one. So long as it smashes the 918 around the ring and rapes ferrari around the track im good.

>>14118166
it wont

>>14118098
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>>14118098
>4 cylinders have flat plane cranks

Woah thats amazing who would have ever guessed that? I mean there is only 1 cylinder bank so why would it have anything else but...

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>>14117397
>>14117756

What are the dimensions and weight of the flat plant crank v8 and the v6tt?

I've lurk all over the place and I still can't find the details.

It seems more of a Ford marketing ploy for their EcoBoost engine lineup.

>>14118199
Someone should make a 4 banger that fires at 0, 90, 180, 270, then just coasts for a rotation, bet it would sound good. I agree though the article is retarded, there's 0 reason to bring up any configuration outside of a V8 for the comparison, just makes the author look like a moron.

>>14118235
He gets into why it causes secondary vibrations and also goes over why its an advantage. And that in the end its a very good marketing tactic but not something revolutionary.

>>14118212
>It seems more of a Ford marketing ploy for their EcoBoost engine lineup
thats all factory teams are
fucking hell you're dense as shit

>>14118228

It isn't a hybrid tho.

The modular 5.4 is 540lb.
>http://www.sullivanperformance.com/YVS450/tech/tech1.htm

The VR38DETT is 600lbs
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_VR_engine

Maybe it has a lower centre of gravity?

>>14118266
What the fuck does this have to do with anything?

>>14118266
>consumer engines

>>14118269

Because the details of the ford v6tt haven't been released and the nissian v6tt can be used for comparison sake.

The voodoo engine is based the modular engine. Haven't found anymore info on it.

>>14118294
your comparison is shit

i dont know what an apple is so I'm going to put an orange in its place to compare it to this banana

>>14118301

Then you lurk for the details, because saying it's a shit comparison doesn't add to the discussion as to why they wouldn't use the voodoo v8.

>>14118306
to market the ecoboost
racing for factory teams is just marketing
they want to develop their v6s and move on from v8s when all the boomer fucks die off because regulations for emissions and things are only going to get more stringent

>>14117364
ford wut dont care right click hide

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>Voodoo Swap
>Normal doors
>Gulf Livery

I know they're making less and they're more expensive, but seeing how many 05' GT's got fucked with, I'm hoping someone buying a '16 is rich enough to do this.

>>14118539
No one's gonna give it normal doors. Gulf livery most likely, but those doors that scream "LOOK AT ME" are not something that people that can afford a 400k car want to miss.

>>14118550
The whole car screams look at me though, not even Ferraris have memedoors unless your spending a million. If it were any other car I don't think anyone would chance it, but I do hope some disgruntled Boomer comes along and makes the car 'right'

>>14118567
Ferraris have a memebadge though, and for Lambos the memedoors work great.

>>14118306
>be ford
>develop new flatplane V8
>well shit, it "only" makes 520hp N/A
>but the last GT made 550hp in '05
>better stick that in a Mustang instead of just wasting R&D money on it
>but we still need an engine for the GT
>well, we've got the 3.5TT to make over 600hp >and it'd be great marketing for ecoboost as engines are being downsized due to the stranglehold the EPA is putting on us
>Good thinking Tom and Larry, put that shit into action

>>14118539
>normal doors

You mean nothing any GT40 or GT has?

Is there a reason why they can't use a V8TT? Would a forced induction V8 disqualify it from Le Mans?

>>14118599
Displacement limitations, probably.

>>14118599
4.0l turbo or 5.5l n/a.

>>14118613
I wonder why the GT only has 3.5 liters then? A 4.0L V6 or V8 twin turbo seems like the best way to go.

Still an exceptional car.

>>14118640
DP regulations are 3.5l for turbos. The Ford GT uses the same engine.

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>>14118592
They're purposefully stangely shaped, but they don't stand up in the air like some automotive ritual to attract mates. They open normally.

>>14118539
fuck off boomers

>>14118719
Oddly shaped does not a normal make friend.

>boomers got the car they wanted in 2005
>asking for it again in 2015
I don't get it.
Plus, ferd made a car with the intention to actually win something, which is actually true to the original GT and something they can't do with retrograde boomer mentality.

>>14118740
They open normally, therefore they are not meme doors. Lamborghini doors look fairly normal, but since you have to lift them into the air to open them, they are meme doors.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJIAOosI6js

It's all in how they open friendo :^)

>>14118747
a purpose built ttv8 engine would be so much better though
an actual detuned race engine
this is expensive enough to demand it

>>14118754
do the world a favor and just kill your self

>>14118747
I agree that winning with it is more important than having a V8, of course they're putting all their cards in on the assumption that it will win. Still, Chevy won last year in GT with a V8, it's not like it would've been out of the question to develop one.

>>14118757
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>>14118760

>>14118770
it's a road engine built into a race engine then detuned back to a road engine

>>14118757
If they went the V8 route it would be n/a. According to Ford they couldn't get the V8 to fit anyway. Not without widening the car.

>>14118812
ferrari are using a tt v8, not sure if this car is super narrow that it can't fit a v8, never seen it irl but if it's designed from the outset to barely fit a v6 then sure a v8 won't go.

>>14118863
Ferrari makes a V8tt that fits the regulations. Ford would need engineer a whole new V8.

>>14118921
that's exactly what i'm saying they should do

>>14119091
But why? Roush already fields the 5.0 in DP. It is legal and proven. There is no point in a 4.0tt V8.

Jesus christ for being an auto board did all of you forget they used the exact same engine in the ganassi daytona prototype? Ford basically has been running the engine in a daytona prototype for two years for R&D. Compared to the new ferrari, bmw, and other new cars in gte they have bullet proof engine now in a sophisticated car/package

>>14119127
for the glory of the ford

>>14118640
A company can't just shit out a new engine every time FIA changes the rules

The V6TT was the most suitable engine for the FIA's rules

See, Ford can't take a gamble and make something that barely fits the rules (like a 3.9 V8 TT) because they don't have much power over the FIA. They could spend millions making that engine, only for Ferrari to whine the next year and have the rules changes slightly to disqualify such an engine, while keeping theirs legal (Ferrari has done shit like this before with the FIA). In this case, it made the most sense for them to use an existing engine that was already heavily-tested within endurance racing settings, and fit the rules quite well.

Ferrari can take such a gamble, and specifically develop a 3.9 V8 TT. They know no one else can control the FIA and fuck them over. They announced the 488 after the new GT for a reason.

Reminder that fuel consumption is incredibly important in endurance racing.

A turbocharged 4.0 will do far better than an NA 5.5 in an endurance racing setting, with how reliable modern turbo systems are. Plus they're capable of making far better power/torque figures with those displacement restrictions. 3.5 turbo and 5.5 NA would probably be more fair

>>14117364
Unlike the 2005 GT, Ford plans on racing this one. If they thought they would have more success with the V6 (it's already been proven to be a race winner) then that's what they are going to do. No point in making your car slower just to satisfy tradition and nostalgia.

is this ecoboost thing a fancy way of saying twin turbo?

Like if i'm wrong here, correct me, but the japs have been making better 6's for a long fucking time.

Well, to be more accurate, they were making superb 6's over 20 years ago, then they stopped and switched to making econobox trash, with the exception of the GTR.

Seriously, what the fuck japan. You had the supra, the nsx and just abandoned them for over 10 years.

And now the new NSX is just shit because they had to go green and refused to put a v12 in.

M..muh enviroment.

>>14119764
"Ecoboost" is their way of saying direct injection+ turbo, iirc

>>14119764
>refused to put a v12 in the NSX
>missing the entire point of the car this completely

>>14119265
Ferrari is literally the biggest scumbag company.

Not only are they the poor man's lambo, they manage to piss off their loyal customers AND all the journalists reviewing them.

>Loyal customers who've been buying ferraris for years don't even get a chance to buy a la ferrari, they get sold to rich people who are not true fans, before the car is even announced
>The whole stop/start button fiasco where it was not covered under warranty and a new 20k system was required
>The refusal to let the la ferrari participate in a race with a p1 and 918 spyder because they are terrified
>The fact ferrari sends customers cease and desist notices for PAINTING THEIR OWN FUCKING PROPERTY

Seriously, they're cocky fucking assholes and they managed to piss off all their former fans. Now they are only bought by rich people who can't see that they can get a better porsche or lambo (or even a konegsegggGG) for the same price.

>>14119786
What, the point to make it a daily driver supercar? If that's their goal they succeeded.

It's literally a heartless point and drive car according to all the journalists.
And to put it into context, even the GTR has heart and soul when you take it out of daily driver mode and into race mode.

When you switch the new NSX into race mode it's just more of the same but a little faster. There's no dramatic shift.

>>14119782
Weird, not exactly a new technology. Anyway i find it fucking ironic that the americans are doing what the japanese should have continued doing.

Good on you guys.

>>14119792
Strange, almost like I've seen this same ridiculous post before

>>14119809
Because they're common complaints.

I used to be a fan (never owned one) and their attitude made me react exactly like that guy said. I switched my love over to other companies after seeing they have zero appreciation for their fans.

I could imagine someone who owns one getting pissed off as well and choosing a lambo for their next car to spite them.

>every team that raced the Ford GT last decade failed miserably

>people think that post-1960s US Ford can seriously go toe to toe with European cars

>>14119825
If you think this is some new thing you are clueless about the company. Ferrari has existed for 6 decades to build race cars, and sells street cars to get money for their racing program. Lamborghini and Koeniggsegg make fancy street cars and don't race. Most people who buy Ferraris are interested in their unique racing history and prestige, not buying the "best" car (which is a laughable concept for street cars anyway, the best street car is whatever you like to drive). Enzo was notorious for not caring about street car customers, it was no secret, neither were journalist blackouts on their cars, same thing happened with the F50. I don't know how you could have ever been a "fan" if you don't know anything about the history of the brand or the cars themselves, seeing as that is what Ferrari fans are attracted to in the first place.

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why not a v8 twin turbo? they could make the intake manifold out of composite materials like koningsegg does, and use variable tunnel turbos.

>nobody at Ford could make this work

>>14119866
>Most people who buy Ferraris are interested in their unique racing history and prestige
lol I'm sure all the 17 year old Chinese students in my city are this
A very small minority of Ferrari buyers would fit that mold.

>>14119878
BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE A SUB 4.0 V8 THAT HAD BEEN EXTENSIVELY TESTED IN ENDURANCE RACING SETTINGS WITH TURBOCHARGING

THEY HAD A V6 THAT FIT THAT CRITERIA THOUGH

FUCK

>>14118017
would you feel better if it had 427ci v8 ?

Why can't Ford forget this whole racing thing and build the twin turbo big block V8 Nurburgring lap setting machine we all want and can't afford?

>>14120059
You have it backwards my friend, that may be the only buyers you are exposed to, but the vast majority of Ferrari buyers are 40+, care about the prestige of the brand, and want the social club experience that Ferrari owners have established due to the history of the brand. Asian kids and rap artists looking for garish supercars might make up .5% of the ownership base at best. Collectors who own several to a shit ton of Ferraris account for a much larger chunk. 65% of Ferrari owners own more than one Ferrari, you aren't going to see that with any other car brand.

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>>14118098
flat plain gives less inertia at the cost of smoothness of operation
not really a consideration if you can keep the rpms stable

>>14120165

lel.Porsche

>>14120209
Some Porsche enthusiasts are definitely right up there with Ferrari enthusiasts for the same reason, Porsche's racing history, but Porsche has a whole different side of making consumer cars that Ferrari doesn't, even Mondial and California owners are drawn to Ferrari for a specific reason, not just buying a nice car in the price range like people who buy Cayennes and Boxsters.

>>14119139
shhhh, don't ruin the fun with your logic

>>14118584
The flatplane V8 in the GT350 is also too gutless for half its RPM range which will make it slower than it would have been on paper. I'm sure the TT V6 makes more torque earlier on.

>>14120165
>65% of Ferrari owners own more than one Ferrari
Bullshit. Have owned, maybe.

>>14120501
Faster than the z28 is all that matters

Chebby either bullshits or straight up refuses to release track times

At this point chebby is scrambling to copy gt350s times until they can match their times without going over budget.

At first chebby thought the z28 can compete with the GTR, then after that they thought the z06 could compete with the GTR again they they were wrong finally they thought oh the zr1 is the one to do it, but they couldn't

Chebby doesn't even know where their dick is

>>14120638
Oh don't get me wrong, the GT350R is my favorite car from Ford in like more than 20 years, along side the new Focus RS (fingers crossed that it's actually good). It's pretty great.

But the Ford GT is a super car and that engine just isn't good enough for it. I think what they went with is a good choice. I'm sure it'll get around 7mins on the ring before the new RX-7 beats it. :^)