Should the British be allowed to continue designing cars?

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That gold and silver thing is the shock absorber. How does it work? Nobody knows.

>>14113594
What the fuck am I looking at here anon? Why does this shit box have 4 chain drives under the seat?

>>14113725
more chains for more horsepowers

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I seriously love MGs but they had some really fucking strange suspension designs

>Make mid engined econobox using off the shelf parts for maximum cheap
>Put in really complicated suspension that costs thousands to maintains

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>>14113725
One for each gear, senpai.

>>14113631
They fixed that in the series 3. By putting a transverse leaf spring over the back axle ala corvette

>>14113584
>no strut rod for the upper a-arm
>"rubber boot"

those lazy inbred ninnies

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>>14113740
The transverse leaf spring was the whole problem.

>>14113753
Nope, the problem was the swing axle suspension from the 1920s that would send a wave from one side to the other under heavy cornering, lifting both sides at the same time and causing the fucking in you see there.

They solved that by putting a stiff leaf spring attacked to both swing axles to reduce the effect of the wave, which worked very well apparantly

>Source: My dad owned a GT6 series 2 in his youth, once lost a gf when the rear axle tucked in for nearly half a mile. Solved it by swapping in a series 3 rear axle

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70 pounds of red hot cast iron bolted to your diff with zero airflow? What could possibly go wrong?

Oh, and let's just put four shocks per axle for no goddamn reason whatsoever.

>>14113773
>Oh, and let's just put four shocks per axle for no goddamn reason whatsoever.

For maximum comfort you plebian. That rear axle was so amazing they used it for like 50 years with very little modification

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>>14113768

>>14113779
it's so the force on either side of the lower a arm was equal which would keep it from twisting.

That whole setup would tear apart if you put any power and grip to it.

>>14113779
You can get the same spring rate and the same damping curve with two shocks. Need I remind you that >>14113584 was used for a similar period of time?

>>14113768
>once lost a gf when the rear axle tucked in for nearly half a mile
wat?

>>14113573
Only McLaren.

>>14113794
Later models split the spring into two halves, which solved the problem

>>14113803
>That whole setup would tear apart if you put any power and grip to it.
Strange how it works fine in race XJS making 700HP
>>14113810
Maybe today, but it was cutting edge in the 60s, far better than anything else on offer.
>>14113812
Bitch got scared, refused to enter car again. Dad made the right choice and kept the GT6 over the bitch

1:Great Britain
2:Italy
3:France
4:Japan
5:Germay
6:Sweden
7:Australia
8:USA

>>14113823
That may be true, but it's not like there's been a paradigm shift in spring or dashpot design since then. There is no technical reason for the extra pair of shocks.

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>>14113823
Took 10 seconds of google to find this "race prepped" version
Modified to use one shock, and with a strut rod coming off the front to handle accel forces.

But I'm sure the race version you're talking about was totally stock

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>>14113855
>But I'm sure the race version you're talking about was totally stock

Beefed up shocks, but still 4 of them

>>14113838
All of europe is trash except for Germany

>>14113611
What's wrong with this?

>>14113909
Aluminum tubular subframe bolted to a plywood monococque with a fiberglass clamshell over the top.

>>14113925
Sounds light as fuck, what's the issue?

>>14113930
The part where the front of your car is attached to the back with lag bolts.

>>14113866
this
also checked
Porsche is probably the best sports car manufacturer for reliability period.

>>14113779
Have fun servicing those brakes.

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>>14113631
to be fair the germans did that too, it was later rectified with IRS though

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>>14113768
>>14114520
The swing axle is IRS. And it's fairly easy to make a swingaxle suspension handle well, while still be confortable. You just have to be good at it, like the french.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20uayE1aJaM

>>14113594
>how to go deaf 101

>>14115443
that was beautiful but the suspension design is still shit.

>>14113736
Isn't that the Citroen style?

>>14113773
gotta love these cars.

if you want to know how to adjust the rear camber on these cars, to make an adjustment you remove the subframe from the car, and pretty much entirely dissemble it to put shims on the axle that pushes/pulls the spindle out.

believe or not, i'd rather drop the axle and put it back than disassemble the subframe to do the shims. installing the lower control arms is a major bitch unless the subframe is in perfect shape (it never is)

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>>14113573
>implying the british do still design cars

the japs took care of this problem for us in the 1970s/80s.

>>14115443
European Takumi

All we need now is a eurobeat edit for it.

>>14113573
>pushrods

>>14119255
in the suspension

THE ONLY PLACE THEY SHOULD BE

>>14119275
I sense a new dank meme in this...

>>14113861
holy shit that car is sexy

>>14113773
wut..

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god damn i've seen some shit now

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Yes

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well here is some superior Japanese engineering

>can't prime oil filter
>oil starvation at every startup
I don't know what the flow design is though

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>>14119521
or their previous design in which you burn your wrists trying to unscrew it on the exhaust

>>14119521
stop using big words kid you don't know better than those jap engineers

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>>14119541
yes I don't know where the oil flows from the pump but I do know manufacture's are cheap and want to reuse old parts like oil filter instead of engineering a cartridge filter

>here is another fine example of a mazda under shield design

>>14113659
i think it is similar like in rear suspension in Suzuki TL 1000 S aka widowmaker

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Only if they can be insane.

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>>14119230
no, european takumi is gif related, including mountain racing, inertia drift and wheels inside the rain gutter.
>>14113573
But that's a pretty good suspension design, loads of engine bay volume saved and pretty good at absorbing road imperfections.

>>14113659
The funny thing is that F1 race cars do use rotary dampers, mounted directly on the pushrods.

>>14113839
Actually there is, because two smaller dampers dissipate heat better than one big one, so rally and offroad cars do use the setup. And no, there is no reason for the jaguar to employ them; other cars do it because one pair of the two is the self levelling sistem.

>>14113743

The rubber boot just covers a knuckle joint

>>14113739
Why are 1 and 12 lower?

>>14119521
You prime the oil filter by turning the engine over with no fuel/spark.

Non-shit oil filters won't drain oil back to the pan.

Eat a dick.

>>14123446
The sleeves have been removed. The Jaguar V12 is the idea of an open deck block taken to the extreme. It's just got a ring in the middle to hold the sleeve in place.

>>14123683
That sounds just horrible.

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>>14123683
>>14113739
So is there a shit ton of coolant in that engine or what? Sorry, not a mechanic, but all that open space looks crazy. Seems like the cylinder sleeves wouldn't seal with the head for shit. What do the head gaskets look like?

>>14113838
Obvious bait is obvious

>>14119536
Or you could wait for it to cool down before trying to remove the filter. But, whatever, burn your arm, dumbass.

>>14119536

That's the least of your worries.

Fram detected.

>>14123467
turn the engine
to prime the filter so it doesn't start dry...

>what

>>14125624
yeah that's great when you are doing it yourself oh but there's this magical thing called time and people don't seem to have it. so to avoid customers complaints I wrap my hand in a rag but still isn't full proof

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britbongs make the best cars

this is a fact

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>>14126615

>worst opinion
>worst girl

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>>14126675
post a car that doesnt have a superior british counterpart

>>14113768
The solution to the swingaxle: don't make it travel. At all. Just make it as astiff as possible.

>>14116808
Yes, except that in a Citroen the four corners aren't interconnected because why would you push another wheel down just because one moves upwards?

>>14126699
except that will actually make the suspension worse, since the rear will be stiffer and thus will take more load. No, the solutions are: lowering the roll center by either articulating the diff or allowing the half axles to slide, setting the dampers with no compression damping and as much rebound as necessary, lowering the rear end, and giving the front end a stiffer anti-roll bar and/or a higher roll center.

The triumph spitfire not only managed to do none of this until the S3 (which only made the spring pivot, and added a decent front anti-roll bar), it actually made it worse with the leaf spring because being multi-bladed, it has a progressive spring rate that makes it jack it up even more in cornering.

>>14119255
>>14119275
>pushrods in the suspension THE ONLY PLACE THEY SHOULD BE

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>>14126710
Actually, they are (pic related), they are just coupled side to side rather than front to back.

It's a good thing, because interconnecting the front and rear suspension makes it softer in pitch and in twist, the first being good for comfort and the second good for traction and limiting that scuttle shake. The conventional mg tf was much harsher without being any faster. Too bad hydragas sucked in terms of durability.

>>14126685
Crown vic

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>>14127245
superior taxi mobile incoming

>>14119521
filter has an anti drain back valve.a lot of designs do. did an engine replacement on a h3 3.5 that somebody put a 6.0 filter on. too bad the flow is going the wrong way. fuckin lunched

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No

>>14127245
If you wanna get technical a early 2000's MG ZT shares the same 4.6L V8. The ride is a bit more comfy but it's fucking FWD.

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>>14113659
There are two pistons on a crankshaft that move in oil according to the position of the upper wishbone which is formed by the two arms of the damper. Unfortunately, that's a pic with a telescopic damper, so the gold thing is just an upper suspension mounting

>>14113573
>Should the British be allowed to continue designing cars?
Obviously not. That's why our car industry died in the 80s-90s.

I don't know the real reason, but I have heard it was:
Shitty components (probably engineers being too ambitious i.e. K series rover engine)
Poor build quality (probably due to shit unionised workers and cheap materials)
Awful design (Austin Maestro anyone?)

>>14128699
The MG ZT is rwd, especially converted for the effect. The engine sucks though.

>>14124369
british car mechanic again here, comparatively to another v12 engine it doesn't use that much more, but in comparison to normal modern 4 bangers and such yeah its a ton of coolant.

the radiators are fucking huge too. last one I installed in a series 3 was over $1500 straight from the manufacturer.

>>14128810
It was because the unions were full of commie twats, who hated based Maggie and deliberately shat on everything.

>>14121467
The world is a poorer place without TVR

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>>14113740
>ala corvette
ala Trabant

>>14131388
Ew