Can we talk about the obvious superiority of VR engines over

>>14111801
Except all VR are shit becuase only VW makes them.

what ever happened to the Miller cycle engine

>>14111801
>>Exhaust all exits on the same side
how?
post exhaust ports please?

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>>14111828
As requested. It's due to how all intake valves are controlled by a single camshaft, and all exhaust valves are controlled by a single camshaft

>unequal runner length
no thanks

I only drive cars with longitudinal engines anyway so

>>14111828
.....
Are you this new?
Also google it you tard.

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>>14111818
Stop fucking reminding me. And Bugatti, kind of, but I don't have that kind of money, and it's not a true VR

>>14111818
This
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdkzBEP_T6o

>>14111841
I've never seen a VR6 up close.

>>14111838
interesting

>>14111848
Bugatti is still a VW

>>14111889
this. ducati is an audi

>>14111900
It's not quite the same, Ducati has a separate core of engineers while Bugatti is made up of engineers looted from Audi, VW and Lamborghini

>>14111824
It will probably become a thing again now that turbos on non-sports-cars are becoming really widespread.

Atkinson cycle engines (Miller minus the forced induction) is common on hybrids afaik (they make up the power less with the electric motor).

>>14111908
why would you just make up lies on the internet.

>>14111801
If it was notably cheaper to manufacture other manufacturers would be making them

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>>14111801
>Six cylinders takes up the same amount of room as an I4
>Only one cylinder head
>Exhaust all exits on the same side
>Less complicated than a V engine with the same number of cylinders


>VW

>>14111919
http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2015/01/how-it-works-2016-toyota-tacomas-atkinson-cycle.html

Toyota is coming out with a non-hybrid atkinson cycle v6 on the Tacoma. Not sure how it won't be gutless, unless the compression stroke is only mildly shortened.

>>14111922
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfgang_D%C3%BCrheimer

>Head of Bugatti
>Former engineer at BMW, Porsche and Audi
>Also worked on the Porsche 918

The entire company reads like this, it's a bunch of engineers with other jobs that shit out hypercars in their spare time

>>14111801
It kind of bugs me that the exhaust exits are all on the same side.

>>14111859
Enjoyed that

>>14111801
>six cilinders that take up as much real estate as an inline five in length
>as much real estate as a Quadruple Overhead Cam inline 4 in width
>exhaust packaging crams six exhaust ports into one side of a busy engine bay
>no efficient use of the valley in between cilinder banks
>uneven port length
>three long and hot intake runners

To summarise the problems:
>inline six packaging (long and unwieldy)
>inline six weight (heavy and long)
>V6 complexity (balancing needed)

>>14111980
the entire german car industry is like that you mong

>>14112097
>real estate
>bank valley

Is this real life anymore?

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>>14112251

>>14112097
You fucktard, tell me an engine design that isn't unbalanced. VR6s are actually more balanced than V6s

The best thing about the vr6 is the sound and you loser Hans haven't put a video of the sound.

My dream car is a Audi TT with the vr6 engine with a aftermarket exhaust. That shit sounds better than any v10 lambo.

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>>14112707
boxer is best layout

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>>14112097

I'd also add that with a VR6 you end up with asymmetrical combustion chambers which are not great for power or emissions.

Plus you end up with one bank having a negative bore offset and one with a positive bore offset, so the one with negative offset has much greater friction during the firing stroke. Pic Related.

>>14112707
>VR6s are actually more balanced than V6s
[citation needed]

>>14111801

>Having to pull trans to do chains
>goat

lol

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>>14111859
>this guy

>>14111859
>try that in your fuckin' dub, ya mug
OK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIa_drJsKlY

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>>14111801
> VR engines

Absolutely disgusting.

Either be a real V or become an inline. Choose a side -- No in-betweens allowed. It's engine equivalent of politician without an opinion.

>>14114005
>actually being this retarded

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>>14114017
Not wrong, though.

There's really no physical advantage of VR and W engines other than really narrow V engines.

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>>14111838
That's not true. A VR6 has two cams but at the same time has two banks of cylinders. Each cam deals with the intake and exhaust valve of each bank of cylinders. It's equivalent to a SOHC V6 so it's kinda misleading to call it a DOHC, even though technically it is.

The VR6 is able to have exhaust and intake on their own sides because it has unequal lenth runners inside the head. Pic related.

>>14114042
the advantages have been listed in this thread

>>14114090

And yet most of them are theoretical advantages not seen in practice. Also, the benefits that it does have are offset by the negatives.

Bottom line: There is no point to VR/W engines.

>>14114445
professional engineers think differently.
i doubt you're a professional engineer.

>>14114472
Engineers are paid to make what ever their companies want them to make.

You think VW engineers lobbied to make the Veyron?

You know what I hate about the VR6? It's only available in FWD, or FWD biased AWD. It'd be great if it were available in an FR sportscar,it'd be kinda good there. Problem remains that all VR engines are pigfat, like, inline six tier. To compound this, VW went full retard making them out of cast iron.

Problem remains that they take up the length of a comparable inline six(almost), the width of a narrow V6, combined with their massive weight, and huge internal complexities
>asymetrical combustion chambers
>balancers(which an inline six doesn't need)
>uneven intake runners
>thrust loading
As an idea, I prefer Volvo's inline five to the whole problem of "guys how do we fit most of this inline six into this FWD car". Packagibg is ten times better - enough to cram a turbo next to it. Both are unbalanced, but the inline five is way easier to build, with a way better head design, and at least it can do proper independent cam phasing.

>>14112825
That engine width though.

>>14114472
Professional engineers in 1 company thought it was a good idea. Everyone else didn't.

>>14114480
>>14115229
reminder you are not professional engineers and should shut the fuck up when it comes to professional engineer things

>>14115234
My Msc says otherwise.

>>14115309
Master in sucking cock lol am i rite

>>14111801

About the only good thing about VR6 is the noise it makes.

Expensive, mechanically complex, heavy, under powered and bad gas mileage everything in one package.

>>14115318
Mechanical engineering. Couple of my friends started interships at VAG (Audi sponsors our Formula Student team, and hands out interships like candy). Even they can't explain the VR - especially the 5.

>>14115323
Alfa V6 noise > VR6 noise

>>14112825
And yet /o/ loves to shit on Subarus and their engines

>>14114472
I am. I design hoists and cranes for GE.

>>14115234

You first.

The rest of the world is going to choose not unquestionably swallow corporate bullshit like a docile idiot.

>>14115461
no they dont

>>14111801
What are the big holes between the blocks? Get rid of those and it actually would be the same length as an I4.

>>14115970
Err, between the cylinders.

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>>14115970
there needs to be a working crankshaft though, so thats out.

>>14115976
They can't share journals like a V6?

>>14115981
no thats retarded

>>14115985
Then what's the benefit if it's not actually shorter and each bank has its own camshaft? It's the size of an inline with the complexity of a V.

>>14115461
/o/ shits on anything and everything

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VR6 turbo miata master race

>>14116940
>picking literally the worst possible engine option

>>14116950
>Ignoring this entire thread

what does the mitsubishi VR4 look like? is it like a v4 engine? pls respond

>>14117575
what

>>14117575
Troll pls

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24v vr6 owner here
Sounds fucking beautiful with the magnaflow
Its shit off the line, lots of cars have better 0-100 but what eves, it is a nice commuter if not a little thirsty for my liking.

The car is just a killer on the Coquihalla Highway, it sits comfortably at 140km/h (97mph for you American) and doesn't flinch on the inclines where almost every other car is slowing down.

beautiful engine, the Jetta would be perfect if it were RWD, but FWD isn't that bad as a DD

>>14115988
except it's not the length of an i6

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:3

>>14119761
one of these with a proper centre diff would be amazing

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These engines are heavy and don't make that much more power than the 1.8t. Tune the 1.8t a little and you have a better engine.

Vr6s never came in the nice 20th ae edition gtis or the 20th ae gli. So the vr6 was always stuck in the blander looking vilkswagens. So throw those in the trash.

Fuck the vr6 the only thing good about it is the sound but even that gets annoying after 5 minutes.

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>>14115988
Except the vr6 has 2 less cams than a v6? Isnt that less complex right off the bat? Its also shorter than an equivalent displacement i6?

Youre making this hard to read.

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>turbo straight six best six.

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>>14118042
Are you really going on about a econobox that has enough torque not to completely shit itself going up Hills?

>>14114069
newer ones (24 valves) have 2 camshafts one for Exhaust and one for Intake
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c6/Klepbediening_VR6_24V.PNG

>>14115229
porsche cayenne have logitudinal vr6 engine

>>14115326
v6 60 deegres noise > any 6 cylinder noise ever

>>14111801
>vr6
>not running it with e85 and a turbo in order to go to the future
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrVEn96EmOw

>>14119785

In no possible way is a 1.8t better than a VR6. Just because you can overboost the fuck out of the K03 turbo and make more power than a stock 12V VR doesn't make it better. Also there is no such thing as a '20th AE GLI'. The 2003 GLI acutally got the 24V VR6, which I'd take any day over a sludge machine 1.8t.

Also I guess you would consider the Mk4 and Mk5 R32's pretty bland since they both came with 3.2 VR's? Alrighty then.

>>14122781
Look at the pic I posted. That's a 20th anniversary edition gli. Rekt.

The R32s only had 240hp which is pathetic when the 2.0t could easily match and exceed that power number easily. Same with the 1.8t.

Face it the vr6 is a turd that sounds good for q while