/o/, why does Japan opt for V6's now instead of the fantastic I6?

crumple zones

>>14109993
Packaging
Costs

Mercedes and Audi use V6s as well, it's not just Japan. BMW is the only company I think of that still uses an I6
Also VQ >>> RB

>>14109993
Can't you into volumetric efficiency? (no, not that kind faggot)

>>14110014
Except VQ's are stupid to work on, especially when they're sideways. And I'd be very happy if I found a good transmission to bolt behind a VQ35 without an adapter bellhousing.

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>>14110014
heard you talking shit like i wouldn't find out
wanna go cunt?

>>14110027
VQ30DET > RB25DET

>>14110023
I thought the 6 speed was okay besides the synchro issues

>>14110027
what are those runners coming off the intake just in front of the compressor inlets?

>>14110030
Exactly, I don't need to swap a VQ into my car so I can pull it all back out to fix the synchros 30K later

>>14110043
They look like recirc pipes from the BOVs

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>>14110030
RB26DETT>Everything

>>14110043
recirc pipes for the dump valves

>>14110050
VQ30DET swaps need to be more of a thing
They're dirt fucking cheap and will be in way better condition and lower mileage than any RB

>>14110043
nvm its a bypass system.

>>14110055
I was seriously considering swapping a VQ35DE into my Starquest until I found out about the timing-chain-driven water pump and shitty transmissions.

>>14110061
I would just go 4G63/4

>>14110066
That's too easy and common, swaps aren't about being easy, that defeats the purpose!

>>14110075
VH45 then

>>14110130
If only VQ35's had transmissions that lasted as long as the longblocks

>>14110014
this is the only reason

ive never owned a v6 but my v8 is just a average v6 with 2 extra cylinders.

i'd much rather i6 or v12 but obviously that isnt practical anymore

>>14110055
>current year
>not spending $20k on rebuilding an RB
this is why I don't want americans owning GTR's

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>>14110321
>mfw americans will LS1 swap R32 GTRs to save money

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>>14110014
>VQ >>> RB

>>14109993
Better weight distribution
Nissan switched to a V6 in super gt so they could push it as far back as possible, Toyota switched to an I4 because the 2JZ was ludicrous boat anchor

>glorious I6 turbo sounds
>smoothness, well balanced engine

I love my RB.

No doubt with the new technology the v6's are just as smooth. Drove a friends V35 once, that was a really nice engine, shame they are N/A

>>14110346
It is true anon

>>14110362
The V35 would have been alot better if they had put the VQ25 or 30DET in it

>>14110361
I always wondered why Toyota didn't take a stab at an aluminum JZ.

>>14110030
>VG30DETT>>RB25DET

ftfy

>>14110075
Put a 6G7 in it, you moron.

>>14110394
Mitsubishi made an aluminum 4g63t, and once people tuned the engine(and I would imagine they would do the same with the aluminum jz engine) it had the habit of shitting itself. Plus the 1j proved to be a very succesfull engine, that was used in a lot of toyota models.

>>14110551
Same deal with SR's. Could of been so much better but the alloy blocks just seem to fail.

>>14110551
>Mitsubishi made an aluminum 4g63t, and once people tuned the engine(and I would imagine they would do the same with the aluminum jz engine) it had the habit of shitting itself.
You know how I know you're making that up?

>>14109993
Lighter weight and ppackaging. ne of the chief engineers of the R32/R33/R34 GTR's wanted to switch to a V6 but the costs to convert the chassis would've been prohibitive

>>14110381
I have a brochure for the V36 Skyline and the VQ25 was available.

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What is the difference between the NISMO Skyline GT-Rs and cars like the 400R? Aren't they all NISMOs?

>>14110130
Only correct answer for muh special snowflake swaps. Or rotary

>>14111194
VQ25DE not DET
And V35 250GTs are fucking slow

>>14111194
Only the n/a version. If the V35 had the turbo VQ25/30DET it would have been much better. Made the same power as the VQ35 and had turbos.

Still would be even more pigfat than the R34

>>14111294
Depends on the car
Fine Spec like in op was mostly just an engine package. (Then you get into stuff like S1, R1 etc)
Then you have complete cars like the 400R, Z-Tune, R1 etc
Then conversions packages like the Clubman Spec that omori factory has now

>>14111393
My brochure specifies a VQ25HR

>>14111487
It's still not the DET which I was talking about

>>14110023
>Except VQ's are stupid to work on, especially when they're sideways.
What the fuck does that have to do with the V6 being a much shorter package overall and therefore shifting the CoG of the engine back towards the middle of the car where you want it?
You think packaging = ease of maintenance?

Also, I can only think of 2 manufacturers that use transverse mounted I6s, Volvo and Suzuki. V6s are much more modular between FWD and RWD.

>>14111495
ah. fair enough

>>14111511
>Suzuki
That was actually a rebadged Daewoo, lots of thsoe in china badged as a Chevy and they're fucking retarded

>>14110023
lmao VQ's are my favorite thing to work on. I dont understand how its hard.

>>14110050
wanna shove some more shit in their? jeezus

>>14110050
nice hot air intakes you got there kek

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the only thing that was a bitch to change out was the alternator..

>>14109993
>fantastic I6

[citation needed]

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>>14113893
It doesn't matter that much if you have an intercooler. The real problem are the shit filters.

>>14110014
>Also VQ >>> RB
This is so wrong, coconut.

>>14110014
>Also VQ >>> RB
Retarded tripfags strike again. Go vape in your straight piped g35 faggot

>>14113893
well memed, retard

>>14113998
He's actually right for once, cry harder

>>14113984
>>14113998
Then say how the RB is so much better
>iron block
>aftermarket
That's really it.

>>14110594
CAs are underrated, prefer it over the SR to be honest

>>14109993
Cross platform development.

That's the MAIN reason.

>>14114000
it's not a meme. pod filters have been proven over and over again to supply no benefit to your car.
>current year
>not wanting an airbox

>>14114589
Makes a huge difference on turbo cars.

Same with any exhaust mods.

Turbo cars benefit significantly more from airflow mods vs non-turbo.

>>14114602
I know they do, but I've seen countless dynos that show pod filters achieving essentially nothing in terms of power output when compared to the stock intake.

>>14114608
on both Turbo and NA cars i mean

>>14114589
oh yeah behind the headlamps is such a hot spot in an engine bay (sarcasm)

>>14114608
there's even more dyno sheets showing the opposite

>>14114602
yes, they improve performance, longevity, health etc. But they do not add power as many idiots have come to believe.

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>>14114619
>>14114619
lel righto mate

>b-b-but muh pod filter adds powah

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCi2yo4UqPI

>>14114660
>using MCM as your source
ayyy, way to lose any credibility in your argument

>>14114685
>not believing thorough video evidence to show that you can't increase power simply by shoving a warm air intake in your engine bay
>disregarding evidence that shows without a cold air intake the pod filters temperature increases by 10 degrees

ayyy way to make yourself seem like a stubborn faggot.

do what you want to your car, i don't give a shit. have fun wasting money on pod filters, bruh.

>>14114627
Uhh.

You just said they improve performance.

That's literally what adding power is, improving performance.

You're wrong dude.

What turbo cars do you have experience with.

The bus doesn't count.

>>14114660
>Mighty car mods

There goes any credibility you had.

Lets put it this way.

Say you have a 1.5 inch intake pipe and a 2 inch intake pipe.

Which makes more power, assuming they're both restricting the intake system.

Now lets say you have two filters

One that has an effective flow of a 1.5 inch pipe.

And a filter that has a flow comparable to a 2 inch pipe.

Which makes more power?

>>14114696
can you not see how what works on a car tuned to more than double it's stock output differs to the one MCM tested?
are you really this stupid m8?

>>14114608
>I've seen countless dynos that show pod filters achieving essentially nothing in terms of power
Post them

>>14114747
in person you mongoloid, not on the internet.

>>14114740
i was talking about stock vehicles, but sure, if you want to talk about modified cars that have large increases in power, here's an example: my housemate has a 650rwkw Nismo Tuned F6 Typhoon. It was one of the first BA Typhoons to have the modifications that your generic plasmaman or whatever it's called are based off now.

The F6 has it's pod filter largely cordoned off on the battery/turbo side of the engine bay to prevent engine bay temperature affecting the temperature of air going into the intake. currently, battery relocation kits for XR6 turbos and F6's have boxes to cover the pod filters.

i concede that once you have a certain performance level you require a pod filter because the standard air box isn't sufficient, but i refuse to agree that someone buying a pod filter to stick on their otherwise stock engine, as well as not covering it, is a good idea.

>>14114708
not necessarily. you can have performance increases without changing the power, such as when turbos spool, torque and power curves etc. Power might come on earlier, boost could come on earlier etc. Of course, the latter could occur and performance could be decreased.

>>14114804
ur thinking of efficiency not performance

>>14114804
>hurr hot air filters
>durr an airbox is better even though it's not for the car in question
>let me move the goalposts to "otherwise stock engines" because I am a dumb opinionated nigger
can't you admit you're wrong? does it hurt that much? lol fucking cretin

>>14114859
are you this mad?

stock cars do not benefit from pod filters. is that so hard to understand? i didn't move any goal posts, it's called common sense and logic being applied to a separate scenario.

>hurr i don't need to forge my engine i'm not running enough power
>durr better forge it or it'll blow
>hurr durr goalposts

>>14114886
confirmed for mentally ill

Can anyone post proof cone filters DO improve performance?

>>14114984
the MCM video was the only one I could find on it, which is why I used it, and depending on which website you visit and which thread you read you'll get differing opinions.

>>14110328
wait people actually do this why

>>14110014
Mercedes are ('considering', all sources are vague) switching back to a I6. They cite that the V6 feels 'unrefined' and 'cheap', and they can save money by using it to engineer their V12's, in the same way they now engineer their V8 and I4's together.

>>14114589
>having an airbox on a turbo car
>when you can have a velocity stack and stainless mesh layered with panty-hose

>>14110075
The fuck are you talking about? You one of those special snowflake retards who hates any swap that's already been done?

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Just to chime in on the whole pod filter thing.

The stock GTR airbox is good for around 400kw or so. The pod filters might be better beyond that but from what I've heard the difference will be somewhat small.

Also earlier HKS pod filters had a nasty habit of breaking apart and sucking into the intake. They had to release a revision to fix this. I don't trust pods personally and the ARC induction box for the Skylines has been proven to be worse than the stock air box.

>inherent balance
>important

The lexus ls400 commercial featured wine glasses in a pyramid on the hood over a 4.0 v8 with the uneven american firing order and yet it was silky smooth

>>14115305
Who the fahk takes out a four cylinder to put a four cylinder in?

>>14115358
Dumbass mitsubishi fans that think the the 4g63 is a "good engine". It's built like a brick shithouse to hold boost but the stock internals fall to pieces on a regular basis. Necessitating a complete forged rebuild costing thousands of dollars. Coulda' had a v8.

>>14115366
Exactly. A VQ35 isn't a special snowflake build. I want it because it actually makes power N/A without being a V8.

>>14115242
no, the reason is because it's cheaper to extend a four cilinder into a straight six, than to make a v6 from the ground up.

>>14110144
>v8 is just a v6 with 2 extra cylinders
This is false. Your v8 is much more akin to two i4s, not 4/3 of a v6

>>14115327
thanks for the info. i'm glad someone else here is making sense...

>>14115669
who cares a i6 is a glorified i4 truck motor thats too long and is a i8 shrunk down

>bitchcumatme

>>14115729
i bet you drive an auto

>>14109993
Because l6's are trash

>>14110050
That packaging is as beautiful as it is cringy.

No intercooler. Turbos piped all the way around to the other side of the engine bay.

The craftsmanship and just managing to do something like that is beautiful. But holy shit is it cringingly stupid.

>>14119387
it has an intercooler bruh, those are recirc pipes for the dump valves
10/10 if merely pretending to be retarded though

>>14110050
This is why it's bov not bpv