Why haven't these cars changed much in over a decade?

Because subaru want to be the new toyota and Mitsubishi wasn't selling very well.

Rip evo ;_;

>>14100471
>subaru want to be the new toyota
What could possibly lead you to this conclusion

>>14100452
No competition but each other for the longest.

>>14100452
Subaru doesn't give a shit because you'll buy it anyway and Mitsubishi doesn't give a shit because you won't buy it either way.

>>14100755
>literally no new innovation since the year 2000
>churning out the same shit over and over

cuz stupid kids keep buying wrx/sti over and over.

>>14100811
this

>>14100452
why change perfection?

>>14100452
Don't fix what ain't broke

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>>14100811
>charge $40k for 291hp car that hasn't changed since 2008
>how come no one buys our cars?

I never understood something

why didnt mitsubishi make an official WRX competitor.
they made an evo 9 without the AYC, a 5 speed and a spartan interior, which was priced like the WRX

then they call the proper evo, the one with AYC, 6 speed and othergoodies the Evo Ralliart or something

>>14103821
They did. The Ralliart.

>>14100452
Because they were trying to improve minor things and save the big changes for tuners.
>I'm absolutely in love with my 500 hp Evo X

>>14103826
The Ralliart has 31 fewer horsepower than the WRX though.

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>>14100452
Subaru. Sales have been largely increasing every year for the last 10 years so why change somthing you know works.

Mitsubishi on the other hand is retarded for not trying to improve it when it is clearly a good concept with a really poor exicution.

>>14103826
the ralliart was a turd

it didint have the cool bodykit, so it did not attract any boy racers

also the ralliart X had the evo 9 engine and drivetrain iirc, not the X

>>14103885
It had the X's engine and the MR dual clutch transmission, but the turbo was a lot smaller and they tuned down the transmission to not shift as fast as the MR.

>>14103900
question: can I pull the engine out of a ralliart 10 and drop it in an evo 9, since the transmission in the 10 was from the 9, it should bolt right in right?

>>14103908
Probably but the 9 engine has just as much aftermarket or more than the 10's engine.

>>14103918
but muh aluminium

>>14103821
they made the 260
smaller wing and pretty much the spec you just said

>>14103923
aluminium a shit
iron is best material

>>14103925
i was talking about the evo 9 GT

nice to know about the 260

>>14100822
If it's not broken, don't fix it.

>>14103931
but muh weight savings

iron sleeves and closed deck mod and you are good to go

>>14103885
What bothers me most about them is:

Mitsubishi pricing them $3000-5000 less than a Evo X when they were new (they were seriously $27-29k when they were new)

DCT Auto only knowing damn well they could use the 5 speed from the Evos just fine, and that most people bought their direct competitor (WRX) with manuals

Shittiest possible all seasons in a $27-29k car so it handled like ass in every road test

Charging $27-29k (LITERALLY the same money as a WRX which was quicker and had a solid reputation behind it, and $5000-7000 more than the Mazdaspeed 3/Focus ST)

237hp in a 3460lb car. C'mon. Seriously? I know the Evos are making 60hp more but it really wouldn't hurt to give it another 20hp.

If they priced it more realistically ($23-26k), gave it a manual option, and gave it a little more power it would've done way way better. The Lancer Sportback was a neat little car. Mitsubishi thinks they can charge Honda/Toyota/Subaru prices forgetting that they were successful during the 1990s being the cheapest Japanese cars with the trademark 1990s Japanese build quality and having tons of tech features. They also should've scrapped the 3KGT VR4 around 1996 and replaced it with the Evo IV for America (which would've been way cheaper than the VR4s, they were equivalent to $26-29k cars in Japan vs the VR4s costing double that), but that's another story.

>live in Canada
>want an Evo
>a million X models are being sold
>nothing between XI and IX

>>14104088
>Living in Canada
>Can buy Evos 1-7

fuck off cunt just get the good one

>>14103846
The 4B11 in the Ralliart came detuned. Sort that out and it'll outmuscle the WRX.

>>14103900
>they tuned down the transmission to not shift as fast as the MR
There is a way to get the MR-exclusive S-Sport mode on the Ralliart. Some sort of ECU dark wizardry. Would that also rectify this?

>>14103934
Horse drawn carriages weren't broken why the hell did we even invent cars in the first place????

>>14104219
Yes you can go to an evo tuner and they can get the transmission to have the same shift modes as the MR.

>>14100452
if it aint broke don't fix it

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>>14109367
Yep

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>>14100452
People bought the Evo or STi and made their own changes accordingly. How often do you find a used one stock compared to one modified to shit out 400+ horsepower?

They knew their (dying) market. The Evo and Ralliart died to overpricing and lack of marketing and the WRX (STi) lives on through lesbians and vapefags.

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They are waiting for something.

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And the EVO isn't Safe Either

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too bad the lancer is finished

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>this is an actual screenshot of mitsubishi's north america page

Dunno a lot about mistu personally but I think Subaru has a serious hard on for parts cross-compatibility. For good reason because I'm sure it saves money.

The motor is another story. Ej was relatively unchanged for almost 15 years minus when it went semi closed. I can't really say they just kept it because it worked because it really didn't work well.

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They just need a kick in the ass

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>>14110634
>Current Year
>2.4
>168hp

My 19 year old 2.5L Outback makes about the same power, I had a Ford Contour SVT with a 2.5L That made 200hp. How can it be the Current year, and we have a 2.4L 4 banger that could only manage 168hp???

>>14103676
>>14103680
bullshit
this is exactly what's wrong with these two cars
15 years ago they would have been awesome
they should have gone with the time
instead they have the same fuckhuge body like all other cars bolted on some shitty chasis with a shitty engine.
the current gen is complete shit

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>>14110634
Can't Mitsubishi just undo all the stupid decisions of the last decade?

>continue Evo
>sell Ralliart retuned with 5spd manual
>produce turbo Eclipse or FTO (AWD borrowed from the Lancer GT)

For good measure start pumping out the CE Mirage/Lancer again alongside the awful new one. Those would sell like hotcakes for ricers with Evo bodykits and guys looking to drop a 4G63T in a 2204lb car.

>>14110669
>fuckhuge body

That's my biggest issue with the Evo X and the new STi, they should never have gone bigger than the GC8/Evo 5/6.

>>14110671
Turbo FTO would be stupid.

>>14110708
this so much. fuckhuge bodies are the disease that kills sporty cars.
no-one who liked the evo or the wrx ever wanted that
you can just buy one of these
>>14110590
>>14110592
>>14110656
ugly fords

>>14110719
Same engine as the Galant VR4 in a smaller, lighter vehicle.

I'm not seeing the issue here.

>>14110747
>I'm not seeing the issue here.
The issue is that it was great N/A. 8500RPM with a 2.0L V6 is exactly what the FTO GPvR needed to compete with the Integra Type R.

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>>14100755
Making performance cars nonexistent/boring. Turning all cars into cvt commuter sedans. Dropping hatch and wagon variants on legacy and wrx.

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>>14110783
GOD BLESS

>>14110783
>wagon variants
can agree with everything but that
wagon variant is a great attack on the RS6 Avant

If it ain't broke don't fix it

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All them unsold Evos going into 2016

Evos are overpriced as fuck

>>14110783
>dropping hatch and wagon variants on legacy and wrx.
the outback is a legacy wagon

>>14111602
with a lift kit and designed for soccer moms

>no turbo option

>>14111831
>designed for soccer moms
like all legacy wagons

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>>14111831
This triggers me.

Why can't cars be themselves, and not having to be designed for some one or something.

When Automakers think about who the car is going to be for, that's when the car becomes an appliance.

"hey lets make a car that can do sick skids"
Hence WRX
"hey lets make a car than can do sick skids and much more"
Legacy GT(Turbo), Spec B, Baja ect...
"hey lets make a car that for soccer mom to haul their kids"
Modern Legacy

>>14111580
No, they aren't.

>>14112302

Yes, they are.

>>14112426
According to /o/'s "if I can't afford it it's overpriced" logic, yes.
In reality, no.

>>14100755
He lives in the present

>>14104468
This. Henry Ford said "if i had asked people what they wanted, they would have said 'faster horses'"

>>14110965
STOP POSTING THESE PICTURES

It makes me sad as fuck that I still cant afford a brand new one

Not sure if should just pull on a used one or wait for all these dealers with EVOs left to sell them cheaper

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>>14103821
>>14103826
But they did?

>>14103934
>2005
>mustang makes 300hp
>WRX STI makes 300hp
>2015
>Mustang makes 435 hp
>WRX STI still makes 300hp and has gotten heavier

>>14112439
Prices have started to come down since but it's a little late for that now. The Evo X MR still costs $65,000 in comparison to the $51,000 base model and $54,000 Final Edition.

Of course, if you just want a track monster you can shell out $48,000 for an RS which can't legally be registered for road use.

>>14112582
RS are perfectly road legal, what in the fuck are you talking about.

>>14112582
where the fuck do you live that a evo x costs $65k

>>14104188
Which is?

>>14112582
So you aren't American. Got it.

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>>14112967
literally pick and choose the best looking evo you like

fuck canadians they can get ALL EVOS AND STIs

2-3 if you want a light 2500-2600lb tin can with AWD and parts interchangeability with DSMs

4 if you want the cheapest one out there

5-6 if you want the fastest one period from the factory, they got brembos that year

6,5 TME if you want the most collectable and coolest looking one

7-8 has the best build quality/interior, also stronger diffs/transfer case and better head

i'd get a gf8 wrx sti wagon or a evo 6 tme.

>>14103878
Interesting that their sales volume decreased but market share increased during 2008 bullshit. People were probably less confident in the big 3 here in the US.

>>14110662
Dude the 2RZ-FE (2.4L i4) from the 1995-2004 Tacoma makes 142, mitsu is being retarded.

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>>14100452
>these cars changed much in over a decade

You are a fucking ignorant loser if you actually believe this.

>>14114022
Apart from weight and stopgap measures like fancy electronic diffs to keep their 0-60s the same or slightly faster, he's essentially right.

>>14112513
Don't know how true it is but someone claimed they got a MR new from the dealer for $33k, that's nearly what used asks for. Every passing day they're pressured to get rid of them I'd imagine.

>>14103878
I remember someone mentioning how Mitsubishi wants to exit the NA market, but they can't just leave due to dealer contracts, so they're simply offering shit selection as a disincentive for dealers to continue working with them. Mitsubishi makes good cars, they know how, they have the resources, they're just not bringing them to the NA market.

This might all be bullshit, though.

>>14114936
you could say the same about any car

>>14114996
The Evo and their performance division is entirely dissolved globally. The auto branch is dying.

>>14115000
>Camaro
>brand new engine and chassis improvements
>Mustang
>total suspension overhaul and brand new engine
>Miata
>serious weight-shedding from NC to ND
I could go on. The WRX STI is still using essentially the same platform and the same engine it has been on since the mid to late 2000s.

>>14114996
That's not true, but it might as well be. The dealer network is pure SHIT in North America. MMNA has no idea what the fuck they are doing, it seems. I wouldn't be surprised if they were largely responsible for the lack of Mitsubishi vehicles in the US.